Thanks Patricia! Can you send me a source /URL for the Flax Growers List? My James was already in the Carolinas in 1788, but the possibility of a relation is interesting. Are C of I records available outside Ireland, or would I need to hire a researcher? Anita Swann

Hi Marie. I found land records at LDS Family History Center. They are sales, transfers and such. It confirms surnames but doesn't pin anything down. I am aware of the Cahans meeting house but not a 'project'. Can you tell me more? Rev. Thomas Cahans did move to the Long Canes area of S. Carolina later in life. My ggggf married a woman from Pa., which made me think there might have been a Cahans connection with her. Thanks for answering. Anita

Hi Marie, There were three listings for FLACK on the "Flax Growers List" a/k/a "Spinning Wheel List" for Co. Monaghan in 1796. Samuel Flack Samuel Flack Robert Flack ----- Original Message ----- From: marie forehan <leonamf@wpa.net> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 8:30 AM Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN] (no subject) Hello Anita, Like so many times, I do not have an answeer for you, but perhaps you can help me, if you will. Where did you find the land records for Monaghan? I need about the same time period as you do. If you family was Protestant, there is a Cahans Project but I haven;t found lists, Lots came to New York with Rev. Thomas Clark in 1764-5. Then there is a spinning wheel list somewhere, but I don't know where. I picked these things up on this Monaghan site. Perhaps we can help each other. I want to go further on the Cahans Project right now. My family is Flack. Marie Forehan -----Original Message----- From: Anitaaust@aol.com <Anitaaust@aol.com> To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 2:47 AM Subject: [MONAGHAN] (no subject) >Is there anyone who could give me a helpful steer in the right direction >on Monaghan research? My ancestor James Swann was born in 1760 in a >place the family recalls as sounding like 'marnaharny'. The closest to >that I've been able to come is Magheranaharney Townland in Monaghan. >That there were Swanns there is pretty certain: that townland is quite near >Swan's Crossroads. There are Swann land transactions there in the >latter 1700's. There are few resources, it seems, to search. Is there >something I might have overlooked that I can do from the U.S.? >All suggestions gratefully considered! > >Anita Swann > > >==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== >© MM > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== © MM

Anita, One source to find your James Swan is the "Spinning Wheel List" a/k/a the "Flax List of 1796". I checked the listing that I have for Ematris Parish, where the townland you mentioned is located and found: James Swan - 1 spinning wheel That means that James Swan was the head of household on a farm and that he had devoted one rood of good farm land to the growing of flax for the production of linen. His reward for doing this was '1 spinning wheel'. Assuming that your James Swan was Church of Ireland, you can search those records which begin in Ematris Parish in 1753. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: <Anitaaust@aol.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 2:40 AM Subject: [MONAGHAN] (no subject) Is there anyone who could give me a helpful steer in the right direction on Monaghan research? My ancestor James Swann was born in 1760 in a place the family recalls as sounding like 'marnaharny'. The closest to that I've been able to come is Magheranaharney Townland in Monaghan. That there were Swanns there is pretty certain: that townland is quite near Swan's Crossroads. There are Swann land transactions there in the latter 1700's. There are few resources, it seems, to search. Is there something I might have overlooked that I can do from the U.S.? All suggestions gratefully considered! Anita Swann ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== © MM

Hi, The Spinning Wheel List is at: http://www.teesee.com/Ireland/swsurvey.htm The last time I checked it it only covered counties Carlow, Galway, Kilkenny, Londonderry, Mayo and Sligo. There may be more now. Good Luck! Margaret

Oops! It was called Cahans Exodus. Marie -----Original Message----- From: Anitaaust@aol.com <Anitaaust@aol.com> To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 2:47 AM Subject: [MONAGHAN] (no subject) >Is there anyone who could give me a helpful steer in the right direction >on Monaghan research? My ancestor James Swann was born in 1760 in a >place the family recalls as sounding like 'marnaharny'. The closest to >that I've been able to come is Magheranaharney Townland in Monaghan. >That there were Swanns there is pretty certain: that townland is quite near >Swan's Crossroads. There are Swann land transactions there in the >latter 1700's. There are few resources, it seems, to search. Is there >something I might have overlooked that I can do from the U.S.? >All suggestions gratefully considered! > >Anita Swann > > >==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== >© MM > >

Hello Anita, Like so many times, I do not have an answeer for you, but perhaps you can help me, if you will. Where did you find the land records for Monaghan? I need about the same time period as you do. If you family was Protestant, there is a Cahans Project but I haven;t found lists, Lots came to New York with Rev. Thomas Clark in 1764-5. Then there is a spinning wheel list somewhere, but I don't know where. I picked these things up on this Monaghan site. Perhaps we can help each other. I want to go further on the Cahans Project right now. My family is Flack. Marie Forehan -----Original Message----- From: Anitaaust@aol.com <Anitaaust@aol.com> To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 2:47 AM Subject: [MONAGHAN] (no subject) >Is there anyone who could give me a helpful steer in the right direction >on Monaghan research? My ancestor James Swann was born in 1760 in a >place the family recalls as sounding like 'marnaharny'. The closest to >that I've been able to come is Magheranaharney Townland in Monaghan. >That there were Swanns there is pretty certain: that townland is quite near >Swan's Crossroads. There are Swann land transactions there in the >latter 1700's. There are few resources, it seems, to search. Is there >something I might have overlooked that I can do from the U.S.? >All suggestions gratefully considered! > >Anita Swann > > >==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== >© MM > >

Is there anyone who could give me a helpful steer in the right direction on Monaghan research? My ancestor James Swann was born in 1760 in a place the family recalls as sounding like 'marnaharny'. The closest to that I've been able to come is Magheranaharney Townland in Monaghan. That there were Swanns there is pretty certain: that townland is quite near Swan's Crossroads. There are Swann land transactions there in the latter 1700's. There are few resources, it seems, to search. Is there something I might have overlooked that I can do from the U.S.? All suggestions gratefully considered! Anita Swann

Dear Jane: As you have asked for clarification on the matter of Mormons converting their ancestors, I will try to address the issue. Please note that I speak solely as a member of the church, and not as an official spokesperson for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. While I will make every attempt to insure that my explanation is doctrinally correct, the burden of its accuracy rests with me alone. While it is true that I am interested in genealogy in part to provide an opportunity for those who have passed beyond the veil to embrace and accept the gospel, those who have died always have the choice of whether or not to accept or reject this, just as they do in this life. It would fly in the face of one of our core beliefs - that being, the doctrine of free agency, wherein our Father in Heaven gave mankind the freedom to make our own choices - to suggest that the dead are automatically "converted" to the LDS church by other church members. No one, in fact, can change the religion of another individual. Indeed, our 11th Article of Faith states it best: "We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may." I hope this helps clarify and leads to a better understanding of the issue. Sincerely, Migsy Smith ubject: [MONAGHAN] In Defence of the Irish............ Date: Sat, 13 May 2000 21:52:47 +0100 From: "Jane Lyons" <jlyons1@iol.ie> To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com There are con men out there - there are inexperienced people who will never give you results.......... there is good and bad as there is in every walk of life, in every culture, every society - every family even. There are some of us who will go through these newsgroups and help who we can, there are those of us who are seen to help and who are then bombarded by many people - each asking one little question - "It's only one little question - should only take a minute to answer" - but those many people - forget or do not realise that there are another 100 or 200 people who have one little question on the same day as they do. So - this is coming because I have again seen a post referring to Irish records.to how LDS libraries are not allowed film our records..........to that one Diocese which will not allow access to it's records......... and yes, to all of you the LDS libraries are so important......their films are so important........... and before I go one step farther - I am not a practising Catholic..and therefore I speak from an objective and not a subjective "in defence of my religion point of view." >From what I understand - the Mormons have their libraries - their information - because they want to convert the ancestors of those who are members of their religion to that religion??? This means - to me.....that all my ancestors who died.....and went to whatever heaven they went to - beliving in whatever God they believed in.......they will be 'converted to Mormons'.or members of the Church of the Latter Day Saints after death - because I want to convert to their religion.or am a member of that faith. Maybe there is someone here who can correct me on this interpretation of the situation?? I hate to tell you boys and girls...women and men............but I think my ancestors would turn in their graves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I may not be a practising Catholic but whatever - that gives me no right to change the religion of my ancestors......... and even if I was a practising Catholic...........I think I wouldn;t have much respect for a religion which would allow conversion of it's members willy nilly...... what kind of religion would do that??? The Jewish faith certainly doesn;t................ Maybe for once...........the RC church has done the right thing.......... So - then............let's go from that point......... There are those who share their information for free - yes........... I'm one of those for the moment......newbies....please note.........check out who is who and what they do before you attack 'emotionally'on the basis of any post you see........... Please??............ But - there are alos those who 'work' at genealogy........... Now - how much do you pay for a plumber to come to your house? how much do you pay your Doctor when you go to se him with a problem............if he sends you to a specialist..what do you pay............if the specialist says - I can't find anything........ Do you pay him......or is it dependant in finding out that you have something seriuously wrong with you? if you need a lawyer - or a medical specialist - do you go to the first person who is recommended..........do you check people out............ If you are buying something as simple as a kettle...........a toaster.........do you just pick up the first one you see......... or check them out? Do not limit yourself to those researchers who only deal with a particular county......... Accept - that in Ireland our costs are high. Watch out that you aren't being conned............warn others......... But - please do not complain about films not being recorded.,....please understand and think about how your religion would deal with a situation in whcih you were going to be converted post death.......... Would you want to be a member of a faith who would allow this??? Seriously??

I am sorry you have been so mis-informed about the data base of the Latter-day Saint Church. They are desirous of making their information available to anyone at no cost or obligation for the purpose of helping others find their own ancestors. Yes, they do do some vicarious work for deceased persons, but only for direct family members. If family does not give consent for the vicarious work to be done, it will not be done. The LDS church is very sensitive to individual requests and does not want to offend anyone. Dixie Taylor dtaylor@csolutions.net ---------- >From: "Jane Lyons" <jlyons1@iol.ie> >To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MONAGHAN] In Defence of the Irish............ >Date: Sat, May 13, 2000, 2:52 PM > > There are con men out there - there are inexperienced people who will never > give you results.......... > > there is good and bad as there is in every walk of life, in every culture, > every society - every family even. > > There are some of us who will go through these newsgroups and help who we > can, there are those of us who are seen to help and who are then bombarded > by many people - each asking one little question - "It's only one little > question - should only take a minute to answer" - but those many people - > forget or do not realise that there are another 100 or 200 people who have > one little question on the same day as they do. > > So - this is coming because I have again seen a post referring to Irish > records.to how LDS libraries are not allowed film our records..........to > that one Diocese which will not allow access to it's records......... > > and yes, to all of you the LDS libraries are so important......their films > are so important........... > > and before I go one step farther - I am not a practising Catholic..and > therefore I speak from an objective and not a subjective "in defence of my > religion point of view." > >>From what I understand - the Mormons have their libraries - their > information - because they want to convert the ancestors of those who are > members of their religion to that religion??? > > This means - to me.....that all my ancestors who died.....and went to > whatever heaven they went to - beliving in whatever God they believed > in.......they will be 'converted to Mormons'.or members of the Church of the > Latter Day Saints after death - because I want to convert to their > religion.or am a member of that faith. > > Maybe there is someone here who can correct me on this interpretation of the > situation?? > > I hate to tell you boys and girls...women and men............but I think my > ancestors would turn in their graves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > I may not be a practising Catholic but whatever - that gives me no right to > change the religion of my ancestors......... > > and even if I was a practising Catholic...........I think I wouldn;t have > much respect for a religion which would allow conversion of it's members > willy nilly...... > > what kind of religion would do that??? The Jewish faith certainly > doesn;t................ > > Maybe for once...........the RC church has done the right thing.......... > > So - then............let's go from that point......... > > There are those who share their information for free - yes........... > > I'm one of those for the moment......newbies....please note.........check > out who is who and what they do before you attack 'emotionally'on the basis > of any post you see........... > > Please??............ > > But - there are alos those who 'work' at genealogy........... > > Now - how much do you pay for a plumber to come to your house? > how much do you pay your Doctor when you go to se him with a > problem............if he sends you to a specialist..what do you > pay............if the specialist says - I can't find anything........ > Do you pay him......or is it dependant in finding out that you have > something seriuously wrong with you? > > if you need a lawyer - or a medical specialist - do you go to the first > person who is recommended..........do you check people out............ > > If you are buying something as simple as a kettle...........a > toaster.........do you just pick up the first one you see......... > > or check them out? > > Do not limit yourself to those researchers who only deal with a particular > county......... > > Accept - that in Ireland our costs are high. > > > Watch out that you aren't being conned............warn others......... > > But - please do not complain about films not being recorded.,....please > understand and think about how your religion would deal with a situation in > whcih you were going to be converted post death.......... > > Would you want to be a member of a faith who would allow this??? > > Seriously?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > © MM > >

Two people wrote to me for information and I deleted their addresses by accident. Geraldine

List, I have heard a family rumor that my Rhode Island Immigrant may have been in the Ancient Order of Hibernians. Initial research shows it to be a very old organization. In the US, immigrants used that association to help them get settled in a new country. Is there any membership records that are available? I am interested in the 1870-1890 time period in Rhode Island, but if there is a Monaghan list I may be able to connect some loose ends. Krisha

I wonder if any one on the list could help me with details of my gg grandfather. Thomas ELLIOTT, orn about 1823 in Carrickmacross, Monaghan. Married Jane MARKEY at Castleblamey 1855. He apparently was a violinist, oral family history states that he once played for Queen Victoria. He migrated to Australia shortly after his marriage, he did not play violin professionally in Australia as far as I know. Is their any way of tracing musicians in Ireland at that time?? Any help would be appreciated. Cheers Annette Beasley Melbourne, Australia

There are con men out there - there are inexperienced people who will never give you results.......... there is good and bad as there is in every walk of life, in every culture, every society - every family even. There are some of us who will go through these newsgroups and help who we can, there are those of us who are seen to help and who are then bombarded by many people - each asking one little question - "It's only one little question - should only take a minute to answer" - but those many people - forget or do not realise that there are another 100 or 200 people who have one little question on the same day as they do. So - this is coming because I have again seen a post referring to Irish records.to how LDS libraries are not allowed film our records..........to that one Diocese which will not allow access to it's records......... and yes, to all of you the LDS libraries are so important......their films are so important........... and before I go one step farther - I am not a practising Catholic..and therefore I speak from an objective and not a subjective "in defence of my religion point of view." >From what I understand - the Mormons have their libraries - their information - because they want to convert the ancestors of those who are members of their religion to that religion??? This means - to me.....that all my ancestors who died.....and went to whatever heaven they went to - beliving in whatever God they believed in.......they will be 'converted to Mormons'.or members of the Church of the Latter Day Saints after death - because I want to convert to their religion.or am a member of that faith. Maybe there is someone here who can correct me on this interpretation of the situation?? I hate to tell you boys and girls...women and men............but I think my ancestors would turn in their graves!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I may not be a practising Catholic but whatever - that gives me no right to change the religion of my ancestors......... and even if I was a practising Catholic...........I think I wouldn;t have much respect for a religion which would allow conversion of it's members willy nilly...... what kind of religion would do that??? The Jewish faith certainly doesn;t................ Maybe for once...........the RC church has done the right thing.......... So - then............let's go from that point......... There are those who share their information for free - yes........... I'm one of those for the moment......newbies....please note.........check out who is who and what they do before you attack 'emotionally'on the basis of any post you see........... Please??............ But - there are alos those who 'work' at genealogy........... Now - how much do you pay for a plumber to come to your house? how much do you pay your Doctor when you go to se him with a problem............if he sends you to a specialist..what do you pay............if the specialist says - I can't find anything........ Do you pay him......or is it dependant in finding out that you have something seriuously wrong with you? if you need a lawyer - or a medical specialist - do you go to the first person who is recommended..........do you check people out............ If you are buying something as simple as a kettle...........a toaster.........do you just pick up the first one you see......... or check them out? Do not limit yourself to those researchers who only deal with a particular county......... Accept - that in Ireland our costs are high. Watch out that you aren't being conned............warn others......... But - please do not complain about films not being recorded.,....please understand and think about how your religion would deal with a situation in whcih you were going to be converted post death.......... Would you want to be a member of a faith who would allow this??? Seriously??

Do you already have info on his and her parents? If not, their marriage record should be fairly easy to get if you use the LDS microfilms. There is an index for each year. Then when you have the volume & page, you can get a copy of the actual register page: gives bride & grooms name, previous marital status, age, townland, father's name and occupation, name of person who performed the ceremony and where. A pretty valuable bunch of info, I think. Sorry I don't know any leads re. the musician. Joan Annette Beasley wrote: > I wonder if any one on the list could help me with details of my gg grandfather. > Thomas ELLIOTT, orn about 1823 in Carrickmacross, Monaghan. Married Jane MARKEY at Castleblamey 1855. He apparently was a violinist, oral family history states that he once played for Queen Victoria. He migrated to Australia shortly after his marriage, he did not play violin professionally in Australia as far as I know. > > Is their any way of tracing musicians in Ireland at that time?? > Any help would be appreciated. > Cheers > Annette Beasley > Melbourne, Australia > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > © MM

I often find myself answering questions on traditions in Ireland. The following is an exerpt from a book on Irish Folk Custom and Belief by Seán Ó Súilleabháin HUMAN LIFE The idea of the existence of some kind of soul in human beings is found among even the most primitive peoples. The soul (as distinct from the life-force) was regarded as some kind of concrete entity, capable of moving about independently of the body to which it belonged, and of assuming different shapes at will. In Ireland, for example, there are traces of the belief that the souls of emigrants who had died abroad returned to their native land in the form of seagulls or in a sea-mist. Such ideas were, of their nature, pre-Christian. Dreams and hallucinations among early peoples seem to have given rise to the belief that the soul (or whatever it was) could move about of its own accord. In dreams, we appear to see people and to speak to them, and they converse with us-it does not matter that some of them are already dead. Nowadays, we awake, knowing that it was only a dream. But early man, relying on the evidence of his senses, believed that it all had really happened. Thus there arose the idea that part of oneself could leave the body in sleep, meet its counterparts and associate with them, returning later to the body. A common story in Ireland and elsewhere tells how an old man, accompanied by a young boy, went out into a field one fine day; the old man lay down and was soon fast asleep; the boy then saw a butterfly emerge from the old man's mouth and fly off towards a ruin in the bottom of the field; after a while, the butterfly returned and re-entered the old man's mouth; he immediately woke up and told the boy that he had dreamt that he had gone into that same ruin and there found hidden treasure; they both went immediately to the ruin and found the treasure at the place indicated in the dream. >From the type of belief which underlies the foregoing story- that the soul (butterfly, in this case) can leave the body when it sleeps-it is but a natural step to the belief that the souls of the dead can also move about. This came to he tied up with the idea of ghosts and the human fear of them, as they could sometimes be malignant. Other ideas concerned the human blood, the breath, and the body's shadow, which were also associated with the life or soul. Also, in folktales, we meet with the motif of the giant's soul (life) being outside of his body, hidden in an egg. So too, the human life-index might he bound up with such a thing as a tree, which was planted when the person was born; when the tree began to fail and die, so too would the person. Folk belief was never very clear naturally, about what appearance the soul had, in itself. It was, however, believed that it entered the body at birth through loigín an bhaithis (the skull-cleft) and left by the same exit at death. It was believed that souls were so small that two of them could converse while doing their purgatory at either side of a leaf; so also they could congregate in great numbers on the rafters of houses. It was also said that a dead person should not he keened over for two hours after death lest the sleeping dogs of the Devil be roused along the path which the departed soul had to follow. All over the world there is a traditional objection to unauthorised intrusions on certain occasions. For examples men should not intrude where women are working, and vice versa. There are many stories told to explain how certain castles came to be left unfinished: the builders had refused to complete the building after they had seen a woman stop to observe them at work. Then there is the story left unfinished by Cúchulainn when he discovered that a woman had been smuggled in to a forge to listen to him, against his orders. Refrence has already been made to the aversion men had to meeting a red haired woman, or one who wore a red garment, while on their way to fish or to the fair. A whistling woman or a crowing hen usually brought bad luck. An echo of the biblical story of Samson is to be found in the rule that a woman should not cut a boys hair nor should she draw water from certain holy wells. It was said that if the gift of poetry descended upon a woman it would end with her - she could not hand it on to her sons. In the field of folk medicine, some remedies had to be applied by a man to a woman, others by a woman to a man. Finally, when they came to die, men were said to meet Death quietly, while women resisted it (deire fir a shuan,deire mná á faire féin suas). Conception and childbirth have always been regardede as crucial points in human life, and so were hedged about with a great many beliefs and customs. It was said that sterility could be overcome by sleeping in the old remains popularly known as "beds of Diarmaid and Gráinne". Conception could be prevented if an enemy tied a knot in a handkerchief at the time of marriage; no child would be born to that couple until the knot was loosed. A pregnant woman had to avoid meeting a hare, if possible otherwise her child would be born with a hare-lip (séanas); this could be prevented, however, if the woman on meting the hare tore the hem of her garment, thereby transferring the blemish to it. A tear in the ear of the hare, ifit could be caught, also acted as a preventative. Neither should a pregnant woman enter a graveyard lest she turn her foot on a grave; this would cause her child to be horn with a clubfoot (cam reilge). She should not remain in a house while a corpse was being placed in the coffin, nor act as sponsor to a bride. If she visited a forge, however, she was always asked to blow the bellows to bring luck to the smith.

Hi, Did anything ever come clear to you on this. I had responded, and am just wondering if you found the answer to your question yet. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane Lyons <jlyons1@iol.ie> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, May 07, 2000 6:02 AM Subject: [MONAGHAN] Comments?? please? A question on names????? I'm working a register at the moment and in it all the men (grooms) have a second Christian name. As far as I know this is unusual - Catholic register pre 1800.......... What I'm finding more unusual is that many of thse names are women's names. Not just Mary which was a common enoughname to give to boys - but Judith, Catherine, Josephine, Margaret, Anne, Honor. There are also instances of the men having the same Christian name listed twice. So - has anyone any comments. I know I've looked at a fair few registers and never seen this before - anywhere..... A forward looking parish priest? Someone who just listed the Confirmation name taken by these men? Surely not that many men took womens names as their confirmation name.... The name of their father or mother - if one was dead. James James being James the son of James..... The second name....the extra one seems to come first....because all the women's names are listed first.... So - Josephine Thomas is Thomas the son of Joesephine? Where are all those genealogists.... How many people have seen it before. It's a Laois register and I've not seen it in Laois before either??? Jane :-) ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== © MM

My apologies to everyone - and my thanks to all those who pointed out that it probably was a baptismal register I was looking at..... It was. My excuse is that I was in a hurry - and that there was one piece of paper under the head of the pages I was looking at - which said marriages and gave a time span.......... So - I assumed it was marriages and not baptisms.....didn't think to check the official title - as I would usually........ My father always said that 'assumption' was one of the seven deadly sins!!!! Now - I will take myself off into a little hole with my big red face for the next few months!!! Kind of....I'll probably forget all about this by next week..... Thanks to everyone who offered comments - AND - some of what was said was really very interesting. Jane :-(

I have just spent the evening looking at http://wwwvms.utexas.edu/~jdana/irehist.html.......I am cleaning up old files and don't know when or where I got this but it has an amazing amount of Irish 'stuff'.....take a peek. "Jesse L. Allen" wrote: > I am trying to locate Catholic church record in Ireland for the Mcquades. > Can anyone tell me how to go about this? > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > © MM

I am trying to locate Catholic church record in Ireland for the Mcquades. Can anyone tell me how to go about this?