Dear Patricia, I am ever so grateful for your help. I've jumped into Irish research having no idea at all of what I am doing. It's all quite new to me and seems overwhelming to me when imagined here in my studio in Philadelphia. Through your kindness, perhaps I can get somewhere. Thank you, Georgia Whitson

Welcome Georgia.....I've been at this for 1000 years and I'm still confused, but every once in a while I strike it rich. Good luck in Monoghan, but I am convinced my Beatty Graham lived under a rock! Evelyn in Oceanside, California. ----- Original Message ----- From: <GLS1943@aol.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 8:24 PM Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN] Alexander McCoy and Ballybay Parish > Dear Patricia, > > I am ever so grateful for your help. I've jumped into Irish research having > no idea at all of what I am doing. It's all quite new to me and seems > overwhelming to me when imagined here in my studio in Philadelphia. > > Through your kindness, perhaps I can get somewhere. > > Thank you, > Georgia Whitson > > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > © MM >

Just in case there is anyone who has become curious about Ballybay Presbyterians or the book "Full Circle" or the exodus of 300 Presbyterians from Ballybay to America, here is a website which will surely be of interest to you: http://homepage.tinet.ie/~denesbitt/menu.html Patricia

A correction/addition to my previous message. I now see that 'Clogher' is indeed the name of a townland in the Parish of Ballybay. It is in the Barony of Cremorne and the Poor Law Union of Castleblayney. Clogher townland is rather small, consisting of 286 acres, 1 rood and 6 perches. It won't show up on any map of Ireland except an Ordnance Survey map, but it is probably very near the town of Castleblayney. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: <GLS1943@aol.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 8:42 PM Subject: [MONAGHAN] Alexander McCoy I have an Alexander McCoy in Monaghan. He was the father of Robert McCoy who was born in County Monaghan. Alexander married Mary Oliver. Robert was born in 1833. Alexander was a banker. Robert became a school teacher. He was headmaster of a school in Australia. I believe the family were Presbyterian. I received the following information from a look-up in Griffith's Valuation: Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, 1848-1864 Mc Coy, Alexander County : Monaghan Parish : Ballybay Location : Clogher Contd That's the only information I have been able to gather. I haven't a clue as to what the Griffith's Valuation entry means, nor any idea with how to use this info to gain more. I haven't any idea at all as to how to proceed with trying to find this family. Is there anyone who can offer ideas...leads...or suggestions? Heaven knows, I would be extremely grateful. Georgia Whitson Philadelphia, PA USA ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== The preferred method of responding to messages sent to the mailing list is to send your answer or response back to the mailing list. The obvious benefit of responding back thru the list is that someone else may be looking for the same information and just hasn't asked the question yet. © MM

Hi Georgia, I don't know where you got your information for the Griffith's Valuation, but if it was from the CDROM, you could have gone one step further. You could have also found the townland of your ancestor listed, in addition to the name of the Civil Parish. By the way, the Griffith's Valuation for Co. Monaghan was taken in 1858-1860. Different years for different Counties. The information you did find listed the Parish of Ballybay. You know your people were Presbyterian. You are in luck in that the Presbyterian Meetinghouses in that area have good, old records: 1st Ballybay - 1834 2nd Ballybay - 1833 Derryvalley - 1816 Cahans - 1752 Furthermore, last year a book was published about the Presbyterians in the Ballybay area. It is entitled "Full Circle" and I'm sure there are copies available for sale as they had a rather large printing of the book, I understand. I haven't seen the book, but some of my Cavan/Monaghan friends bought it and said it is very, very interesting. There are several other books, no longer in print, which you might find interesting. I really liked "The History of Monaghan for 200 Years" which is available through InterLibrary Loan; however this is not just Presbyterian history. Life was fascinating and very hard in Co. Monaghan in the early years. I understand that "Full Circle" does tell the story of the 300 Presbyterians lead by Rev. Dr. Clark from Ballybay [and probably other nearby congregations] to North America back in the 1700's. I plan to get a copy of the book myself. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: <GLS1943@aol.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 8:42 PM Subject: [MONAGHAN] Alexander McCoy I have an Alexander McCoy in Monaghan. He was the father of Robert McCoy who was born in County Monaghan. Alexander married Mary Oliver. Robert was born in 1833. Alexander was a banker. Robert became a school teacher. He was headmaster of a school in Australia. I believe the family were Presbyterian. I received the following information from a look-up in Griffith's Valuation: Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, 1848-1864 Mc Coy, Alexander County : Monaghan Parish : Ballybay Location : Clogher Contd That's the only information I have been able to gather. I haven't a clue as to what the Griffith's Valuation entry means, nor any idea with how to use this info to gain more. I haven't any idea at all as to how to proceed with trying to find this family. Is there anyone who can offer ideas...leads...or suggestions? Heaven knows, I would be extremely grateful. Georgia Whitson Philadelphia, PA USA ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== The preferred method of responding to messages sent to the mailing list is to send your answer or response back to the mailing list. The obvious benefit of responding back thru the list is that someone else may be looking for the same information and just hasn't asked the question yet. © MM

I have an Alexander McCoy in Monaghan. He was the father of Robert McCoy who was born in County Monaghan. Alexander married Mary Oliver. Robert was born in 1833. Alexander was a banker. Robert became a school teacher. He was headmaster of a school in Australia. I believe the family were Presbyterian. I received the following information from a look-up in Griffith's Valuation: Index to Griffith's Valuation of Ireland, 1848-1864 Mc Coy, Alexander County : Monaghan Parish : Ballybay Location : Clogher Contd That's the only information I have been able to gather. I haven't a clue as to what the Griffith's Valuation entry means, nor any idea with how to use this info to gain more. I haven't any idea at all as to how to proceed with trying to find this family. Is there anyone who can offer ideas...leads...or suggestions? Heaven knows, I would be extremely grateful. Georgia Whitson Philadelphia, PA USA

I am researching a Margaret Wallace who married Samuel Blackburn and came, with children, from Monaghan to Troy, New York, about 1846. I do not know where in Monaghan they came from, but they were Presbyterian in New York and probably in Ireland. Richard Smyth smyth@email.unc ----- Original Message ----- From: <SMrcus@aol.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, June 10, 2000 3:31 PM Subject: [MONAGHAN] Wallace > I found another sibling of my John WALLACE b. 1808, he was Thomas WALLACE b. > abt. 1809. They both immigrated from Monaghan to Lansdowne, Ontario, Canada > in 1822. I know of a third sibling, Elizabeth WALLACE McAnally who went from > Ireland to Scotland. John Wallace's 1891 obituary mentioned a sister (no > name) living in Buffalo, New York. > > Is anyone else researching WALLACE from these areas? > > Thanks, > > Sue Marcus > > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > © MM > >

I looked up female Wallace listings in the Buffalo directory for 1890 and found: Emma Wallace 325 Penn. Ave FL Wallace(could be female) clerk 30 Board Trade Bldg and 447 Prospect Avenue Hattie Wallace 95 Canal Nellie J Wallace 29 Coe This would only be of help if her name was Wallace and she was the head of the household. Usually, during this time, if someone was married, the husband would have been mentioned or she would have been Mrs. So and So. She very well may have been unmarried. Good luck

I found another sibling of my John WALLACE b. 1808, he was Thomas WALLACE b. abt. 1809. They both immigrated from Monaghan to Lansdowne, Ontario, Canada in 1822. I know of a third sibling, Elizabeth WALLACE McAnally who went from Ireland to Scotland. John Wallace's 1891 obituary mentioned a sister (no name) living in Buffalo, New York. Is anyone else researching WALLACE from these areas? Thanks, Sue Marcus

Could you mean Castleblayney? I am researching family from there.

Dear Jayne-Ann, You have quite a lot to go on. From her name, I assume that the Lister family was Protestant. Is that correct? If so, you should be able to find the record of her father's marriage (if it was in Ireland) in the Index to Irish Marriages which begins for Protestants in 1845. It is available on microfilm from the LDS(Mormons). Her marriage in Scotland should appear in the Scottish records. The Old Parish Records are available on CD-ROM at LDS Family History Centers. If there is not one near you, there is a web site for Scottish records called Scot Origins. Unfortunately, it is not free. Her marriage record ought to give the names of her parents. You also ought to be able to find her and her mother in the 1881 Census (ALSO available on CD-ROM). Do you know what county they settled in ? The name of the town, by the way, is Castleblaney. There are pretty good records for the Church of Ireland there( Episcopal). Presbyterian records are much more spotty and not available in the US. (Where are you?) If you would like, I am going to my FHC next week which has the above resources and I could take a quick look for your Listers. Good luck, Joan Jayne-Ann wrote: > Greetings All; > > I've just joined and here is the scant info I have about my Irish g grandmother. > > Her name was Margaret Lister b. 25 Jan 1859 and she was from Castleboney (sp?), County Monaghan. Her father was a school teacher and family rumour has it he was from England. Margaret was the product of his second marriage. He had two sons from the first marriage (one possibly John) > > Margaret came to Scotland before 1882 with her mother, and she married in Dundee. > > I do not know her mother or father's names. > > If anyone has info on Margaret or her ancestors, or has advice on how I could proceed in my search for them, I would love to hear it. > > Thank you in advance > Jayne-Ann > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > If you'd like to read all previous messages that have been sent to this > list, go to the archives of the list that are located at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/IRL-MONAGHAN-L/ > and > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=irl-monaghan > and: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/Monagahan > and: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/General © MM

Hi Jayne-Ann, First, I have to say you have a pretty name; one which I have never seen before - at least with that spelling. Now, on to your query. I don't research the LISTER name and cannot help you there; however I can probably cast some light on the placename you mentioned. The placename of 'Castleboney' does not exist in Ireland, as you probably already suspected. When I saw that name, my mind immediately went to the name 'Castleblayney' which is a town in the Parish of Muckno, Barony of Cremorne, Co. Monaghan. The only other place in Co. Monaghan that begins with 'Castle' is Castleshane Demesne which is a townland in the Parish of Monaghan, Co. Monaghan. I don't think that is anywhere near close to the name you seek. If I were you, I would assume that Castleblayney is your place to search for your family. Because she was born before Civil Registers were kept, you will need to look in Church Registers for information. Also, you can search the Griffith's Valuation of Ireland for Co. Monaghan, as they were still in Ireland at that time. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: Jayne-Ann <jayne-ann@home.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 1:58 PM Subject: [MONAGHAN] Surname LISTER Greetings All; I've just joined and here is the scant info I have about my Irish g grandmother. Her name was Margaret Lister b. 25 Jan 1859 and she was from Castleboney (sp?), County Monaghan. Her father was a school teacher and family rumour has it he was from England. Margaret was the product of his second marriage. He had two sons from the first marriage (one possibly John) Margaret came to Scotland before 1882 with her mother, and she married in Dundee. I do not know her mother or father's names. If anyone has info on Margaret or her ancestors, or has advice on how I could proceed in my search for them, I would love to hear it. Thank you in advance Jayne-Ann ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== If you'd like to read all previous messages that have been sent to this list, go to the archives of the list that are located at: http://archiver.rootsweb.com/IRL-MONAGHAN-L/ and http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=irl-monaghan and: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/Monagahan and: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/General © MM

Greetings All; I've just joined and here is the scant info I have about my Irish g grandmother. Her name was Margaret Lister b. 25 Jan 1859 and she was from Castleboney (sp?), County Monaghan. Her father was a school teacher and family rumour has it he was from England. Margaret was the product of his second marriage. He had two sons from the first marriage (one possibly John) Margaret came to Scotland before 1882 with her mother, and she married in Dundee. I do not know her mother or father's names. If anyone has info on Margaret or her ancestors, or has advice on how I could proceed in my search for them, I would love to hear it. Thank you in advance Jayne-Ann

> Can anyone tll me what The Clogher Record is. I believe it has somtething > to do with cemeteries. > > Thanks for any help. > > John W. >From Ulster Libraries by Robert K. O'Neill: "Monaghan Ancestry has been editing and publishing the annual Clogher Record, the journal of the Clogher Historical Society since 1975. Clogher Diocese covers Counties Monaghan, Fermanagh, south Tyrone and a small portion of Co. Donegal around Bundoran and Ballyshannon. The journal, issued worldwide, is devoted to the religious, social, economic, genealogical, archaeological and political history of the diocese." Monaghan Ancestry, 6 Tully Monaghan, Co. Monaghan Contact: Theo McMahon or Maire O'Neill

Dear Sue You wrote: Did the St. Albans list only cover crossings at that location? I got the soundex film number that would apply to my WILSON ancestor, but he would probably have crossed in New York. Am I barking up the wrong tree? Sue Marcus -------------------------- To your first question - no It covers location front BC to PEI Second question - Keep barking at that tree.

Reaserching these names. Andrew Clarke b 1875 his brother b 1870, from Ballagh, Co. Tyrone. Elizabeth Potter b 1877 ,mother and father John and Mary Ann Potter of Corlagh Co. Tyrone.Any help of family members would be great. Thanks in advance. Cathy

Hi All, Can anyone tll me what The Clogher Record is. I believe it has somtething to do with cemeteries. Thanks for any help. John W.

Now I'm confused (again or still?). Did the St. Albans list only cover crossings at that location? I got the soundex film number that would apply to my WILSON ancestor, but he would probably have crossed in New York. Am I barking up the wrong tree? Sue Marcus

Listers, Would anyone have the address of the County Monaghan Society in the Bronx, NYC? Thanks for any help. Carole cdfemma@msn.com -----

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