Dear Anita, Thanks so much for your efforts. Another short request. Is there a date or anything else connected with this William McRory? You have undertaken a magnificent task. Faith

Hello all. I have managed to answer the requests rec'd so far for look-ups, and even managed to get most of them to the individuals and not the list. <grin> HOWEVER, the index to FULL CIRCLE is dreadful. There are numerous names that apprear in the text that are not indexed. I have done my best as I have read the text to catch any names I've been asked about, but I can't guarantee that I have succeeded. If anyone needs a good project, indexing this book would be great! Anita

For those of you questioning the Clones 'evacuation', check your copies of "The Monaghan Story". During the period of 1685-1688 there was a change of kings, so to speak. The controversy was 'tween James and William. If you don't have a copy of that book, check your other Irish history books. Clones was one area, so I'm told, that didn't get ravaged during that little 'set-to'. On my way to Monaghan and counties south next week Looking forward to experiencing the Irish Summer that I'm told happens about now.........we'll see. jean.

Where can one view this book? Thanks, JIM M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "PKostelnik" <PKostelnik@ij.net> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, July 29, 2000 9:05 AM Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Clones Church Records > Richard, you are correct about the names and about the desertion of the > Protestants from the area for a few years, which did cause a break in the > church records. I also recognized them as English/Scots names. > > I just looked in a good source, "Irish Records, Sources for Family and Local > History" by James G. Ryan, Ph.D. > > On page 375 under Church of Ireland Records: > Parish: Clones > Existing Records: b. 1682; m. 1682; d. 1682 > > On page 377 under Roman Catholic Records: > Civil Parish: Clones > RC Parish: Clones > Earliest Record: b. July, 1848; m. May 1821 > Missing Dates: b. April, 1854-Apr, 1855; m. March 1840-Oct, 1840. > > This would indicate that the Clones Church Records found on LDS Microfilm > No. 0897416 are indeed the very old Church of Ireland records of Clones > Parish. > > Patricia > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Richard Smyth <smyth@nc.rr.com> > To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 4:54 PM > Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Clones Church Records > > > > I have just been looking at that film myself. I am morally certain that > > most of the families are not Catholic. Almost all the names in the film > are > > English or Scottish. > > > > I noticed the 1690 comment about the Protestant inhabitants leaving, but I > > also found no records which would prove that any events were recorded > while > > they were absent. Livingstone in his history of Monaghan does not mention > > an evacuation in 1690, but he does mention that in 1689 "The settlers in > the > > Clones area [English and Scottish] abandoned their country dwellings and > > formed themselves into small garrisons at the Montgomery house in > Ballyleck, > > at Redhills, and at Captain Townley's." But that event is described at > the > > beginning of a chapter entitled "The Settlers Consolidate"; most of those > > who evacuated must have returned very soon. > > > > Richard Smyth > > smyth@nc.rr.com > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <SMrcus@aol.com> > > To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> > > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 3:53 PM > > Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Clones Church Records > > > > > > > I just reviewed LDS film # 0897416 & it was titled, "Register of > > Clones > > > Parish, Diocese of Clogher & County Monaghan". It sure was interesting, > > but I > > > believe the records are Catholic records. I found a note in the marriage > > > records of 1690 that said "The 19th day of the month of March, the last > of > > > the Protestant inhabitants deserted the town and parish of Clones the > > Irish > > > possession themselves of that part of the county." > > > > > > If I'm wrong, I apologize & hope that someone will set the record > > > straight. > > > > > > Sue Marcus > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 7/27/00 3:14:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > PKostelnik@ij.net writes: > > > > > > << I'm a bit late on commenting on this topic, but I was away in Ireland > > [and > > > Co. Monaghan] until a few days ago. > > > > > > Unless I'm very mistaken, I do believe that the Clones Church Records > on > > LDS > > > film No. 0897416 to which you refer, are not Catholic Church records, > but > > > actually for the Clones Parish Church of Ireland, which covers Clones > > Parish > > > both in Co. Monaghan and Co. Fermanagh. > > > > > > I've looked at these records several times and my recollection is that > > they > > > were Church of Ireland records and, by the way, very interesting ones. > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

Richard, you are correct about the names and about the desertion of the Protestants from the area for a few years, which did cause a break in the church records. I also recognized them as English/Scots names. I just looked in a good source, "Irish Records, Sources for Family and Local History" by James G. Ryan, Ph.D. On page 375 under Church of Ireland Records: Parish: Clones Existing Records: b. 1682; m. 1682; d. 1682 On page 377 under Roman Catholic Records: Civil Parish: Clones RC Parish: Clones Earliest Record: b. July, 1848; m. May 1821 Missing Dates: b. April, 1854-Apr, 1855; m. March 1840-Oct, 1840. This would indicate that the Clones Church Records found on LDS Microfilm No. 0897416 are indeed the very old Church of Ireland records of Clones Parish. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Smyth <smyth@nc.rr.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 4:54 PM Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Clones Church Records > I have just been looking at that film myself. I am morally certain that > most of the families are not Catholic. Almost all the names in the film are > English or Scottish. > > I noticed the 1690 comment about the Protestant inhabitants leaving, but I > also found no records which would prove that any events were recorded while > they were absent. Livingstone in his history of Monaghan does not mention > an evacuation in 1690, but he does mention that in 1689 "The settlers in the > Clones area [English and Scottish] abandoned their country dwellings and > formed themselves into small garrisons at the Montgomery house in Ballyleck, > at Redhills, and at Captain Townley's." But that event is described at the > beginning of a chapter entitled "The Settlers Consolidate"; most of those > who evacuated must have returned very soon. > > Richard Smyth > smyth@nc.rr.com > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <SMrcus@aol.com> > To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2000 3:53 PM > Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Clones Church Records > > > > I just reviewed LDS film # 0897416 & it was titled, "Register of > Clones > > Parish, Diocese of Clogher & County Monaghan". It sure was interesting, > but I > > believe the records are Catholic records. I found a note in the marriage > > records of 1690 that said "The 19th day of the month of March, the last of > > the Protestant inhabitants deserted the town and parish of Clones the > Irish > > possession themselves of that part of the county." > > > > If I'm wrong, I apologize & hope that someone will set the record > > straight. > > > > Sue Marcus > > > > > > In a message dated 7/27/00 3:14:36 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > PKostelnik@ij.net writes: > > > > << I'm a bit late on commenting on this topic, but I was away in Ireland > [and > > Co. Monaghan] until a few days ago. > > > > Unless I'm very mistaken, I do believe that the Clones Church Records on > LDS > > film No. 0897416 to which you refer, are not Catholic Church records, but > > actually for the Clones Parish Church of Ireland, which covers Clones > Parish > > both in Co. Monaghan and Co. Fermanagh. > > > > I've looked at these records several times and my recollection is that > they > > were Church of Ireland records and, by the way, very interesting ones. > > >> > > > > > > >

I am researching McAree and Marron: Patrick McAree married Margaret McGee [b. 1839] Children: Michael McAree 1973 Catherine McAree 1877 Patrick McAree 1865 Francis McAree [b. 1864] marries Ellen Marron Thomas Francis Patrick James Mary Anne Margaret The family came to the US [Brooklyn] about 1887-1892. regards m ---------------------------------- Jazz is freedom. - T. Monk

Hi Anita Thank you for the generous offer to do lookups in Ballybay. I have a Moses Cherry, son of John and Catherine (nee McCoy), born c. 1775 in the line I'm researching for my brother-in-law. Is there any mention of Moses and/or parents and siblings in Full Circle? Regards Peter, the older of the two Robbos, at Bairnsdale, capital of the Victorian Riviera

Faith, here again to say that while there is no McCrory in the index, there is a William McRory in the list of members of the congregation of Cahan's who subscribed to the call from Thomas Clark. Maybe an alternate spelling? Anita

Hi, Anita. I would appreciate a lookup of those with the surnames McKee and Ross(unless there are too many) More specific would be Joseph McKee m. Sarah Peacock. Rosses: Robert, James, Alexander, George. Where did you get this book? Is it available yet in the US? Thanks, Joan Anitaaust@aol.com wrote: > Hello all! I have recently received a copy of Full Circle, the history of the > Ballybay > Presbyterian community. If anyone would like a look-up, please let me know. > Anita

Hi Sharon. Sorry, but neither name is in the index. I was delighted to see you are looking for Keouns. I am a McKeown descendant, from the Fairfield McKeowns. I haven't seen your spelling before, although I thought I had seen them all. Do you have any idea where your batch is from? Anita

Sorry to say there is no listing of Marshall in the index. Good sleuthing! Anita

Hello again! I have seen another listing for George Kile, as a member of the congregation. The Kell spelling could be a misspelling of Kile. Hope this is useful. Anita

Dear Anita: I think you are probably swamped with requests! Would you mind looking for BEATY/BEATTYs and KEOUNs? I have not been able to find out anything about the KEOUNs especially. They migrated to SC where there were only KEOWNs. Mine seems to be the only family that spelled it with a "u"! Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Sharon Rogers

Thanks anyway it was worth a try. -- We are trying to locate the Ancestors or siblings of James Marshall who was born in 1821 in Ballybay Co. Monaghan Ireland and who with his brother John came to Canada in or before 1845. James settled in Manvers Township (in then Durham County, Upper Canada ) now Victoria County, Ontario . They reportedly landed at Port Hope and came North. John stopped in the Bewdley area and was not heard of again. Any suggestions or help would be appreciated. All the information that I have been able to capture is included on our site. www3.sympatico.ca/fmarshall

Please re read my message. I do not have the book but was asking for a lookup my self. Sorry to disappoint you. -- We

On Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:56:07 EDT, you wrote: Hello Anita. Thanks for your kind offer. My interests are for SAUNDERSON (particularly Robert) and MAGILL/McGILL/MEGILL, Agnes/Mary. Thank you Cheers Barb barbking@clear.net.nz >Hello all! I have recently received a copy of Full Circle, the history of the >Ballybay >Presbyterian community. If anyone would like a look-up, please let me know. >Anita >

Antia, what a wonderful thing you are doing. Do you see any Cranston's? Thanks Rosalyn

Hello Anita I will be buying the book next year when I go back to Ireland but in the meantime I would be interested to have details of all references to the Draffin name. Thank you for the kind offer. Jack Wylie in New Zealand -----Original Message----- From: Anitaaust@aol.com [mailto:Anitaaust@aol.com] Sent: Friday, 28 July 2000 10:56 To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [MONAGHAN~] Full Circle: Cahan's Exodus Hello all! I have recently received a copy of Full Circle, the history of the Ballybay Presbyterian community. If anyone would like a look-up, please let me know. Anita

There is Windrum, Wyndrum Ralph Wyndrum Jr. -----Original Message----- From: rdrumm <rdrumm@talk21.com> To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Friday, July 28, 2000 4:30 AM Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Full Circle: Cahan's Exodus >Hi Anita,Is there anyone with the surname DRUM/DRUMM on the list? > > Regards Robert. >----- Original Message ----- >From: <Anitaaust@aol.com> >To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: 27 July 2000 23:56 >Subject: [MONAGHAN~] Full Circle: Cahan's Exodus > > >> Hello all! I have recently received a copy of Full Circle, the history of >the >> Ballybay >> Presbyterian community. If anyone would like a look-up, please let me >know. >> Anita >> >> > >

Hi, My grandfather emigrated to the US but was born in Ballybay in 1833 and was a Presbyterian. I have been trying to find out who his siblings were but only know of one, George Lunney, bithday unknown. My grandfather's name was John Lunney. If find anything on them or their parents, William Lunney and Martha Green, please let me know. Sam Lunney