Krisha, Would you have come across- Patrick Dacey and Bridget Holmes - Peter O'Boyle and Catherine Temlin and their children - Anthony McAlinden and Margaret Henighan and their children - Broderick ( catherine temlin's mother's people) The Kyles and Hillmans came out in the late 1700's so I doubt they would be there If you can find any of these I would be for ever grateful .They all settled in the Ottawa Valley , Canada . trying to find where they came from has been impossible. Christine >From: "Krisha Banigan" <KRISHAB3@email.msn.com> >Reply-To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com >To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [MONAGHAN~] Reply to Shirley Estate Emigration Papers;Short, >Boylan, McMahon >Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:28:00 -0700 > >Here's more requests for Short , Boylan, McMahon: > >Emigration List 1844 >Boylan Mary 47/Anne 16/James 14/Bridget ?/John 2/ Lattinalbany/ granted >9lb0s >McMahon Bridget 20/Corvally/ 2lb5s >McMahon Owen -/no address/ 2lb0s > >Emigrant 1846 >McMahon Anne 42/john 23/Mary 20/Cath 15/Anne 14/Brig 9/ Rose 7/ and Patk >Shaffrey 2 months/ Crumlin/16lb5s > >Emigrants 1847 >McMahon La 52/cath 40/Mary 17/ Pat 15/ Jn 13/ Brig 11/La 9/ Owen 7/ Ml 5/ >Betty 1/ Dooagh/ 28lb >McMahon Oliver 32/ Anne 30/ Mary 5/ Brig 2/?Aughanlaughey?/8lb/'house >down'/.(see Admin) > >Emigrants 1849 >McMahon John 45/ Mary 26/ Nurebeg/3lb10s > >Emigrants 1849 to Aust. in Aug. >McMahon Edward 18/ Alice 19/ Greaghdromnisk/ Dau and son of Edward McMahon >McMahon William 20/Edward 22/Mary 18/ Tullenescagh/sons and dau to Jn >McMahon--Jn Stephens has all the farm >Short Judith 20/Catherine 18/ Corereeagh/ Daughters to Francis Short. His >farm is given to THos Wilson in March 1848. > >Krisha > > > >==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== >1-Send your replies back to the list--you may be helping someone else with >the information. > ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Thank you, Krisha, for the information on Boylan and McMahon....Pat Meyers

Dear Krisha, I'm not sure if I'm right in asking but if you have time please check for the name BAILEY in any of the manuscripts you have. Please forgive my request. I hope it will not be too much trouble. Thanks so much, Deanne -----Original Message----- From: Krisha Banigan <KRISHAB3@email.msn.com> To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Monday, August 07, 2000 2:17 PM Subject: [MONAGHAN~] Monaghan Immigration 1844-1848 >List, >I have been watching requests for the Full Circle: Cahan's Exodus. The following names appear in the Shirley Estate Papers under Emigration Lists. > >Lynch, James 18/no address/granted 1lb5s/emigrant 1844 to America >Rafferty, Mary 40/Anne 17/Jas? 15/Felix 14/Thos 13/Brig 10/Patk 8/Mary 4/ Drumgavney/Granted 26lb/note: 'gone'/ emigrants 1849 to America >Rafferty, Mary 4 adults/4children/ Ship "Strang"/ Grant 34lb-13-7/ Dest. Quebec/ Emigration for October 1848 > >The other names that had requested information on the Full Circle book were NOT listed in the Shirley Immigration papers that I have. Most of the tenants were probably Catholic. > >Hope this helps someone, >Krisha

More for Short, Boylan, McMahon: Petitions to the Estate: 1845 Feb McMahon, Anne. Carrickmacross: 'a steady sober girl who for the last ten years has been at service in Carrickmacross...anxious to go to Canada but her poor parents not in the circumstances to pay her Passage." 1845 May McMahon, John. Drumeargh. : I beg leave to return you my most sincere and grateful thanks for the trouble you took in having me liberated from Monaghan Gaol, which I never will forget. Your Honour is aware that the warrant was taken against me by cunning and treachery and my Brothers who were the cause of it after my lodging their share with you which they received (sic), are back again with my Mother they are not going farther than England under a pretence of proceeding to America..." McMahon, James, no date: "of Bog town formerly but now of no place, had been in yr honour's employmnet for 21 years as a labourer ending March 1847. In consequence of a cut I got in the leg by an axe, now reduced to the lowest ebb, in consequence of the death of my wife and children now left-- alone therefore hoping yr honour will consider me..." 1849 Oct Short, Catherine, Clonsedy, To Shirley: "held 10 acres... but being deserted by her husband about 15 months ago, she could not possibly pay up the rent and gave the peaceable possession of it to Mr. Morant who was graciously pleased to return her name on the list of passengers then for America but poor Petitioner took ill and was not able to attend the ship designed for her emigration. That she is now recovered and with two children friendless, cabbinless and penniless throws herself at your feet and humbly hopes you'll do something for her and her starved children until Mr. Morant sends her off to her husband..." 1850 April, McMahon, James. Drombrackin. To Morant: Beg to inform you that I am willing to give up possession of my holding... jointly occupied by Owen and Michael Merryman and James McMahon. If you Honour would be pleased to give me some money to enable me to go to ingland or scotland as i am unable to earn my bread if I could get imployment and not be a burthen on the union and petitioner will ever pray..."(10s granted to help him to go to England) 1847 Appril 28, Elliott to Smith: I have anticipated you respecting Mr. Oliver McMahon as on finding yesterday morning his family had not come along I gave him a flat denial to his application. I kept the order in my hands until advised by you." That's it for today. Krisha

Here's more requests for Short , Boylan, McMahon: Emigration List 1844 Boylan Mary 47/Anne 16/James 14/Bridget ?/John 2/ Lattinalbany/ granted 9lb0s McMahon Bridget 20/Corvally/ 2lb5s McMahon Owen -/no address/ 2lb0s Emigrant 1846 McMahon Anne 42/john 23/Mary 20/Cath 15/Anne 14/Brig 9/ Rose 7/ and Patk Shaffrey 2 months/ Crumlin/16lb5s Emigrants 1847 McMahon La 52/cath 40/Mary 17/ Pat 15/ Jn 13/ Brig 11/La 9/ Owen 7/ Ml 5/ Betty 1/ Dooagh/ 28lb McMahon Oliver 32/ Anne 30/ Mary 5/ Brig 2/?Aughanlaughey?/8lb/'house down'/.(see Admin) Emigrants 1849 McMahon John 45/ Mary 26/ Nurebeg/3lb10s Emigrants 1849 to Aust. in Aug. McMahon Edward 18/ Alice 19/ Greaghdromnisk/ Dau and son of Edward McMahon McMahon William 20/Edward 22/Mary 18/ Tullenescagh/sons and dau to Jn McMahon--Jn Stephens has all the farm Short Judith 20/Catherine 18/ Corereeagh/ Daughters to Francis Short. His farm is given to THos Wilson in March 1848. Krisha

ScollaySQ@webtv.net (Joseph Ward) wrote........ on Jul 28 >Would like to obtain a copy of Monaghan map. I am particularly >interested in Magheross and Dunamoyne circa 1800. How can I get one. > I have a GIF image of the county from a road map. Also have GIFs of the townlands map of Donaghmoyne parish, and one showing where the other parishes are in the county.. I also have the Tithe Index of Donaghmoyne in 1823. Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. tray@jps.net

Ray: I can't promise anything but am meeting with the Town Historian sometime next week and will ask his advice on the St. Marys church. Is it RC or Prot? The name sounds like a 'plantation' name. Is it? jean

I think that St Marys may be in the Town of Muckno but there may be more than one. Please keep an eye out for any Shorts. I'm looking for a marriage of John Short and Mary Heily 4/2/1863 I need his birth and parents if you should see them. Thank you Jenny in OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Raymond McCraren <rmccraren@mediaone.net> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 12:15 AM Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] IRL-MONAGHAN-D Digest V00 #54 > Jean in Monagham see if you find a chuch called St. Mary in the reconds and or > the name > McCraren . If you have time ? My reconds show them there 1840 and before the > chuch > said no reconds Ray > > "Jean L. Mattox" wrote: > > > For those of you questioning the Clones 'evacuation', check your copies of > > "The Monaghan Story". During the period of 1685-1688 there was a change of > > kings, so to speak. The controversy was 'tween James and William. If you > > don't have a copy of that book, check your other Irish history books. > > Clones was one area, so I'm told, that didn't get ravaged during that > > little 'set-to'. > > On my way to Monaghan and counties south next week > > Looking forward to experiencing the Irish Summer that I'm told happens > > about now.........we'll see. > > jean. > > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > 1-Send your replies back to the list--you may be helping someone else with the information. >

Message text written by INTERNET:IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com >< To all: Use Shirley's book with caution. I've been told by local people, of knowledge, in Carrickmacross that the book is biased and 'hedges' on the truth in spots. So do what you can to prove out what he says. jean

Message text written by INTERNET:IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com >< To Beverly Martin I think you'll find that your Cool-Dairy is actually Coolderry. It's so familiar to me but I can't place it. I don't have a map with me that's sufficiently detailed to help you. jean

Message text written by INTERNET:IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com >< To William Jones The initials PRO and PRONI refer to the Public Record Offices in Dublin and in N.I. jean

Message text written by INTERNET:IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com >< To Krisha: I'm in N.I. at this moment - Belfast, infact. Will be spending the next 4 days at the PRONI. Unfortunately, I'll not be able to get my hands on the Journal you mentioned until I leave here and pass thru Monaghan Town BTW, the editor of the Clogher Historical Society has retired for health reasons. He will be replaced by a committee. The names on the list you sent out are almost all still prominent in Carrickmacross which is where I spend a good deal of my time. I will consult with the town historian ( a member of the new committee I mentioned) to see what help he may have for us. You have my family names listed also. But they all left after 1879, approximately. Jean L. Mattox 74743.114 @compuserve.com I'll see what I can do for you - I've been collecting info on Finegan/Finnegan, Larkin, Ward, McGovern, Byrne, Burns. I can't promise anything except to try. jean

Hello I'm researching my father Frank Moane he was born near Castleblayney where his family owned a small property, I remember it being in a place called Inchicore??, but there doesn't seem to be one in Monaghan, the property was sold in about 1956 for 300 pounds after Uncle Paddy died, and it was left to dad, we were living in London England then. Dad died 1973 and i moved to Australia. Does anyone know of Moanes in the Castleblayney area, there were quite a few of them in the first half of the 1900's. Hope someone can help John Patrick Mone Redcliffe QLD 4020 Australia

List: The Clogher Historical Society is just that, and encompasses Co. Monaghan (essentially, the Diocese of Clogher). The society's headquarters is in the town of Monaghan. The Clogher Record is the journal of that society. An index to the Clogher Record is found on the website of the society: <http://www.clogherhistoricalsociety.com> Have at it! Sally M

I scoured your list for my names of interest and saw 'SHORT'. Is there any information as to which Short from where? I am looking for information on John Short who married (4/2/1863 - RC Tn Monaghan) Mary Heley fom Co Longford and emmigrated to Australia in 1863. I believe his father was also John mother Elizabeth ? and I dont have any other family names. Other family members may have emmigrated earlier. Thank you in anticipation, Jenny in OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Krisha Banigan <KRISHAB3@email.msn.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 11, 2000 10:09 AM Subject: [MONAGHAN~] Return Lookups for Shirley Emigration List > I'm glad I could help some people out there. > You may thank Dr. Patrick J. Duffy for his outstanding research on these volumes of records. The italicized passages are from his essay reprinted in the Clogher Record called "Assisted Emigration from the Shirley Estate 1843-1854". Even if your family lived on the Shirley Estate you may not be listed in these papers because your family may not have received assistance from the landlord to obtain passage to emigrate.The original documents reside at PRONI. The Public Records Office of Northern Ireland. There were at least 1300 people involved with the Shirley estate program. There were other estates in Monaghan County. > Names I missed on the first list: Kinneghan, Shafferty > > Mulholland: > Emigrants 1844 to America- Mullholland Patk 27/Cath 20/of Listillister/granted 4lb10s > > Lynch: > Emigrants 1844 to America Lynch James 18/no address/ granted 1lb5s > Petitions of 1849- Lynch, Owen. Clonsedy. Oct 49: > On c7 acres rents paid up, "but bereft of means of supporting a numerous family-- sent some of the children of his first marriage to America, humbly solicits employment in any labouring department to support his little ones but also to put down an sufficient crop next Spring..." > > Thomas Elliott: > William George Smith was a brother-in-law to Thomas Elliott, the Liverpool agent, who looked after the emigrants' welfare. He died in 1851 aged 48. See Shirley, History of the County of Monaghan, p. 368 (Interestingly also, Trench's successor to the agency , George Morant was related to Shirley) > (Krisha's note: This is unclear to me, whether Smith or Elliott died in 51. This is a footnote at the bottom of the page) > "...Block bookings were made through the Liverpool agent (Elliott, a brother-in-law of WG Smith in the Carrick Estate Office) and passages generally paid to Liverpool." > > Markey: > Emigrants 1844to America Marty (?) Mary18/Biddy 16/no address/4lb10s > Emigrants 1847 to America Markey Alice (Alex?) 40/Thos 14/Fras 9/Ellen 7/Andrew 5/ Box Irish/10lb10s > Markey Francis 50/mary 47/ anne 19/ Patk 16/Jn 12/Fras 8/ Jas. 6/Drumgousatt/16lb10s/'arrears insolvent' > Australian Emigrants, December 1849- List of persons paid to embark for Adelaide, 8 dec. 1849... some did not go in the end... > Markey Patk35/BeaghM'Cloone/son of Michael > Markey Theophilus 29/A 28/M 5/A 4/M 6mths {no names, given}/Beagh M'cloone/12lb [later listed as Ann, Mary, Ann jr., and Mgt] > (Krisha's note: if these are your guys then send me a snail mail address if you want a copy, there are other references to the clothing that they were issued. You may also want the names of the immigrants on the same ship with them.Or send to PRONI for official documentation.) > > Ford: > Emigrant 1844 Ford John 14/Corduffkelly/2lb5s > > There is NO Marshall > > McEneney: > Emigrant to US 1847 > McEneney Bryan 43/Mgt 44/Mary 16/Owen 14/Pat 2/Peter 6 mnths/Faraghy/16lb10s > Emigrant to US 1848 > McEneney Cath 53/Mgt 19/Sarah 16/Ardragh/3lb10s > Emigrants to US 1849 > McEneney Catherine 40/Bridget 17/Lossatts/7lb > Petitions of 1845: > " Ward, Miles. Corleagh. Mar 45; ...I am with Joseph Lundy and the little trifle of money I had was taken away from me this year by means of my daughter going off to America with Michael McEnany. 18lb10s in the exact sum of money they took from me and he had no money of his own with him... > There was also a John McEneaney who appears to be a messenger that delivered correspondence from the Estate office to local tenants and businesses as their personal courier. > Receipt for 10s for Owen McEnaney; "to enable me to join my father in Liverpool on his way to America, he having turned me back when as far as Dundalk" (May 47) (Aged 14 according to the 47 list)" > 1848 Ship list > McEneaney Cath/ 3 adults/Ship 'Samuel Nicks'/3lb10s to NY > Receipts incurred by the Estate office include a bill from Judith McEneaney for 52 lbs of bacon @ 41/2 d per lb.on the expenses from carrickmacross to Newry in May 1850. > > > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > 1-Send your replies back to the list--you may be helping someone else with the information. >

You have our Traynor surname. Both my grandfather and great grandfather were John Joseph Traynor. I am a third generation Philadelphian. My grandfather worked in the coal mines around there, somewhere. Don't know what part of Ireland family came from. Please tell me what you know. ----- Original Message ----- From: Pat Traynor <tray@jps.net> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, August 13, 2000 12:09 PM Subject: [MONAGHAN~] MARTIN, Luke John abt 1890 > Quoting... From: > > I am trying to find a birth record (and any other information) re one > John Luke MARTIN, born Carrickmacross, Monaghan about 1890. > > The only other information I have is two location names which I do not > have the correct spellings for: 'Kilark' and what sounds like > 'Cool-dairy' (the place of birth was given to me by a relative as > Kilark, > 'Cool-dairy', Carrickmacross, County Monahagn) > > As well, it is possible that the forenames are reversed - Luke John > MARTIN. > > I would sincerely appreciate any assistance. > > Beverly in Victoria, BC, Canada > ============ > There were about 55 Martins in the Donaghmoyne parish Tithe index > of 1823. > COOLDERRY is a townland in that parish, which is just > north of Carrickmacross. > KILLARK is a townland of 172 acres in the parish of Magheracloone, > south of Carrickmacross, in the Farney barony. > > I have a Gaelic football history book of Donaghmoyne parish and > surrounds, and some Martins were mentioned as star players. > > If you wish I can e-mail you the Tithe list, and will try to > find a Luke M. around that time frame, in that book. > > > > Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. tray@jps.net > > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > 1-Send your replies back to the list--you may be helping someone else with the information. >

Quoting... From: I am trying to find a birth record (and any other information) re one John Luke MARTIN, born Carrickmacross, Monaghan about 1890. The only other information I have is two location names which I do not have the correct spellings for: 'Kilark' and what sounds like 'Cool-dairy' (the place of birth was given to me by a relative as Kilark, 'Cool-dairy', Carrickmacross, County Monahagn) As well, it is possible that the forenames are reversed - Luke John MARTIN. I would sincerely appreciate any assistance. Beverly in Victoria, BC, Canada ============ There were about 55 Martins in the Donaghmoyne parish Tithe index of 1823. COOLDERRY is a townland in that parish, which is just north of Carrickmacross. KILLARK is a townland of 172 acres in the parish of Magheracloone, south of Carrickmacross, in the Farney barony. I have a Gaelic football history book of Donaghmoyne parish and surrounds, and some Martins were mentioned as star players. If you wish I can e-mail you the Tithe list, and will try to find a Luke M. around that time frame, in that book. Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. tray@jps.net

>........ >I hope that someone might be able to help me find where McMahons and >Boylands are both located in the same townland or parish... There was 1 BOYLAN and 2 McMAHONS in the Tithe index of Donaghmoyne parish in 1823. There are 112 townlands in that parish. (Near Carrickmacross). I can e-mail the index list if you wish. Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. tray@jps.net

Looking for descendents of JAMES SCHOALES and MARY STEWART who were married on 8th July, 1851 at Kilcrow Church, Ematris Parish, Monaghan. They had at least one child, Annie (My grandmother and namesake) born in Ireland about 1863. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Annie W

Hello Beverly, I am researching my Granmother Mary Martin from Ternaneill in Co Monaghan, any connections....Maureen