Thanks Carol

Does anyone have information on Garlands, specifically Thomas or Robert, emigrating from Ireland to Canada in the first half of the 19th century? Any help would be appreciated. John

So would I John Patrick Mone ======== I would find this very helpful also. Ralph Wyndrum -----Original Message----- From: bobbees@juno.com <bobbees@juno.com> To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:55 PM Subject: [MONAGHAN~] Census >Greetings All, > May I ask if anyone has a census for the 1800's in Co. Monaghan? >Thank you, >Bob> > >

If anyone does have the census for the 1800's in County Monaghan, I would dearly love the opportunity to see it. Thanks, Bob for asking. Mitzi (Seaman) Maguire IRL-MONAGHAN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > IRL-MONAGHAN-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 63 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [MONAGHAN~] Census entry- mean [Pat Traynor <tray@jps.net>] > #2 [MONAGHAN~] CAIRNS ["rosemarie benson" <irish_clones@h] > #3 Re: [MONAGHAN~] Census entry- mean [RichardSmith <RMSPAS@nni.com>] > #4 [MONAGHAN~] Census [bobbees@juno.com] > #5 Re: [MONAGHAN~] Census ["Ralph W. Wyndrum Jr." <rww@monmou] > > Administrivia: > Excessively long signature lines containing information unrelated to the list > will not be tolerated. © MM > > If you'd like to read all previous messages that have been sent to this > list, go to the archives of the list that are located at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/IRL-MONAGHAN-L/ > and > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=irl-monaghan > and: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/Monagahan > and: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/General © MM > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Census entry- meaning? > Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 15:07:45 -0700 > From: Pat Traynor <tray@jps.net> > To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com > > RichardSmith <RMSPAS@nni.com> Wrote.......... > >In the 1881 census for Stafford, England our ancestor Thomas Poe ACRES b. > >1820 d. 1898 Basford, was listed as being born in Nenagh Co., Top, Ireland. > >Does anyone know what that means or where it is located? > >Thanks for any help you can give me. > > > >Pat Smith, Montgomery Co., PA > > Well, you've narrowed it down to about 100 towns and townlands! > That's how many placenames are in the PLU of Nenagh. > > NENAGH is a townland, a parish, and a Poor Law Union in > Tipperary, and my guess on "Nenagh Co., Top," is that it is a typo error. > Should be "Nenagh, Co. Tip.". (Tip. for Tipperary.) > > I am sending you a list of all town/lands in the PLU of Nenagh. > > here are just the Nenagh towns and townlands; > (If place is a town it is in caps and acres are XX) > > Town/land acres County barony parish PLU > > NENAGH T. xx Tipperary, N.R. Upper Ormond Nenagh Nenagh > NENAGH T. xx Tipperary, N.R. Lower Ormond Nenagh Nenagh > Nenagh North 776 Tipperary, N.R. Lower Ormond Nenagh Nenagh > Nenagh South 64 Tipperary, N.R. Upper Ormond Nenagh Nenagh > > > Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. tray@jps.net > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [MONAGHAN~] CAIRNS > Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 22:37:23 GMT > From: "rosemarie benson" <irish_clones@hotmail.com> > To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Hi everyone, > Thank You all who answered my question on CAIRNS. > I have been slow in responding as I am having major computer problems. > Rose > Ashland, Ma > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Census entry- meaning? > Date: Tue, 22 Aug 2000 21:35:21 -0400 > From: RichardSmith <RMSPAS@nni.com> > To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Patrick, > You really out did yourself. Now all I have to do is study the information > and try to understand it. I am so new to the Irish way of doing things. Oh > well, at least I am learning something. > Thank you so much for your help. > > Pat Smith, Montgomery Co., PA, USA > =================================== > > At 03:07 PM 08/22/00 -0700, you wrote: > >RichardSmith <RMSPAS@nni.com> Wrote.......... > >>In the 1881 census for Stafford, England our ancestor Thomas Poe ACRES b. > >>1820 d. 1898 Basford, was listed as being born in Nenagh Co., Top, Ireland. > >>Does anyone know what that means or where it is located? > >>Thanks for any help you can give me. > >> > >>Pat Smith, Montgomery Co., PA > > > >Well, you've narrowed it down to about 100 towns and townlands! > >That's how many placenames are in the PLU of Nenagh. > > > >NENAGH is a townland, a parish, and a Poor Law Union in > >Tipperary, and my guess on "Nenagh Co., Top," is that it is a typo error. > >Should be "Nenagh, Co. Tip.". (Tip. for Tipperary.) > > > >I am sending you a list of all town/lands in the PLU of Nenagh. > > > >here are just the Nenagh towns and townlands; > >(If place is a town it is in caps and acres are XX) > > > >Town/land acres County barony parish PLU > > > >NENAGH T. xx Tipperary, N.R. Upper Ormond Nenagh Nenagh > >NENAGH T. xx Tipperary, N.R. Lower Ormond Nenagh Nenagh > >Nenagh North 776 Tipperary, N.R. Lower Ormond Nenagh Nenagh > >Nenagh South 64 Tipperary, N.R. Upper Ormond Nenagh Nenagh > > > > > >Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. tray@jps.net > > > > > >==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > >1-Send your replies back to the list--you may be helping someone else with > the information. > > > > > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [MONAGHAN~] Census > Date: Wed, 23 Aug 2000 10:08:38 -0700 > From: bobbees@juno.com > To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Greetings All, > May I ask if anyone has a census for the 1800's in Co. Monaghan? > Thank you, > Bob > > ________________________________________________________________ > YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Census > Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:15:18 -0400 > From: "Ralph W. Wyndrum Jr." <rww@monmouth.com> > To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com > > I would find this very helpful also. > Ralph Wyndrum > -----Original Message----- > From: bobbees@juno.com <bobbees@juno.com> > To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> > Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:55 PM > Subject: [MONAGHAN~] Census > > >Greetings All, > > May I ask if anyone has a census for the 1800's in Co. Monaghan? > >Thank you, > >Bob > > > >________________________________________________________________ > >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! > >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! > >Try it today - there's no risk! 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I would find this very helpful also. Ralph Wyndrum -----Original Message----- From: bobbees@juno.com <bobbees@juno.com> To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 12:55 PM Subject: [MONAGHAN~] Census >Greetings All, > May I ask if anyone has a census for the 1800's in Co. Monaghan? >Thank you, >Bob > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > > >==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== >1-Send your replies back to the list--you may be helping someone else with the information. > >

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Hi everyone, Thank You all who answered my question on CAIRNS. I have been slow in responding as I am having major computer problems. Rose Ashland, Ma ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com

Patrick, You really out did yourself. Now all I have to do is study the information and try to understand it. I am so new to the Irish way of doing things. Oh well, at least I am learning something. Thank you so much for your help. Pat Smith, Montgomery Co., PA, USA =================================== At 03:07 PM 08/22/00 -0700, you wrote: >RichardSmith <RMSPAS@nni.com> Wrote.......... >>In the 1881 census for Stafford, England our ancestor Thomas Poe ACRES b. >>1820 d. 1898 Basford, was listed as being born in Nenagh Co., Top, Ireland. >>Does anyone know what that means or where it is located? >>Thanks for any help you can give me. >> >>Pat Smith, Montgomery Co., PA > >Well, you've narrowed it down to about 100 towns and townlands! >That's how many placenames are in the PLU of Nenagh. > >NENAGH is a townland, a parish, and a Poor Law Union in >Tipperary, and my guess on "Nenagh Co., Top," is that it is a typo error. >Should be "Nenagh, Co. Tip.". (Tip. for Tipperary.) > >I am sending you a list of all town/lands in the PLU of Nenagh. > >here are just the Nenagh towns and townlands; >(If place is a town it is in caps and acres are XX) > >Town/land acres County barony parish PLU > >NENAGH T. xx Tipperary, N.R. Upper Ormond Nenagh Nenagh >NENAGH T. xx Tipperary, N.R. Lower Ormond Nenagh Nenagh >Nenagh North 776 Tipperary, N.R. Lower Ormond Nenagh Nenagh >Nenagh South 64 Tipperary, N.R. Upper Ormond Nenagh Nenagh > > >Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. tray@jps.net > > >==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== >1-Send your replies back to the list--you may be helping someone else with the information. > >

RichardSmith <RMSPAS@nni.com> Wrote.......... >In the 1881 census for Stafford, England our ancestor Thomas Poe ACRES b. >1820 d. 1898 Basford, was listed as being born in Nenagh Co., Top, Ireland. >Does anyone know what that means or where it is located? >Thanks for any help you can give me. > >Pat Smith, Montgomery Co., PA Well, you've narrowed it down to about 100 towns and townlands! That's how many placenames are in the PLU of Nenagh. NENAGH is a townland, a parish, and a Poor Law Union in Tipperary, and my guess on "Nenagh Co., Top," is that it is a typo error. Should be "Nenagh, Co. Tip.". (Tip. for Tipperary.) I am sending you a list of all town/lands in the PLU of Nenagh. here are just the Nenagh towns and townlands; (If place is a town it is in caps and acres are XX) Town/land acres County barony parish PLU NENAGH T. xx Tipperary, N.R. Upper Ormond Nenagh Nenagh NENAGH T. xx Tipperary, N.R. Lower Ormond Nenagh Nenagh Nenagh North 776 Tipperary, N.R. Lower Ormond Nenagh Nenagh Nenagh South 64 Tipperary, N.R. Upper Ormond Nenagh Nenagh Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. tray@jps.net

Greetings Everyone, By the kindness of a distant relative I have traced my line back to three generations into Eire. I am looking for Walter's father and any info on the Pattersons Mark C. Patterson (I have his birth certificate and the "C" is all there is, no middle name. ) was born in Killevan , County Monaghan on March 15, 1870 son of Elizabeth Schoales and John Alexander Patterson (Killevan is a corner, next little town is Newbliss). John Alexander Patterson son of Walter Patterson of Ballymoyer Co. Armagh Walter was one of 11 sons. 7 were Presbyterian Ministers. Walter was a Farmer. Walter's brother Rev. David Patterson is buried at Kings Mills Presbyterian Church in County Armagh, Ireland. Thank you so much. Bob Bob & Teresa Butcher Mark was born in Killevan (Newbliss), County Monaghan on March 15, 1870 son of Elizabeth Schoales and John Alexander Patterson (Killevan is a corner, next little town is Newbliss). John Alexander Patterson was a Wheelwright by trade. Born in 1834 Died in Angelica in 1905 wife Elizabeth Schoales of Killyfuddy County Monaghan was the daughter of Elizabeth Hamilton and James Schoales. Elizabeth married and baptized in the same church. Isa:40:31: But they that wait upon the LORD shall renew their strength; they shall mount up with wings as eagles; they shall run, and not be weary; and they shall walk, and not faint. ________________________________________________________________ YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Just curious to see if anyone is researching WRIGHT/MADILL in County Monaghan. My gg-grandfather, Anthony WRIGHT was born there (possibly Ballymoney) in 1822/23. He married Ann MADILL (parents Matthew MADILL and Mary DEVLIN). They later emigrated to Lanarkshire and raised their family there. Any info would be greatly appreciated. Take care. Regards, Gregor J. Wright

Dear Pat...I think you can read that as b.Nenagh. County Tipperary. Ireland. Warm Wishes Christine

In the 1881 census for Stafford, England our ancestor Thomas Poe ACRES b. 1820 d. 1898 Basford, was listed as being born in Nenagh Co., Top, Ireland. Does anyone know what that means or where it is located? Thanks for any help you can give me. Pat Smith, Montgomery Co., PA

A little piece of info. The McMahon name is one of the more common in the Monaghan and surrounding areas. It was the tribal power there until the Brits took over. jean

Pat, the Ordnance Maps are available - I see them in Bord Failte shops and in gift shops attached to tourist sites. I think they can be ordered from somewhere. Call the Bord Failte (Irish Tourist Office) in New York. I believe they have an 800 # It might be: 1-800-shamrock. Check around.....try Cyndi's list for likely web pages. Sorry, I couldn't be of more help. I haven't been near a Bord Failte in the Republic since I got here. Went by on a holiday, a Sunday, you name it. I may have to cut my trip short - wee bit of a family problem Am in Bangor, now, at the Marina - lovely. jean

I am in search of excellent Ireland genealogy sites to add to that section of my website at http://www.stas.net/gen/ , which opened July 31, 2000 Any suggestions would be very much appreciated, but please include the county they should be placed in to speed the time it takes to add them.Thanks I would also like to invite everyone to join in our new GENEALOGY CHAT ROOM. The chat is open 24 hrs / 7 days a week to anyone anywhere. We would love to have you join in. It is new as you would be so you will not be out of place at all. The chat limited to 50 people at a time so plan on getting there early Thanks for your help If you feel this site would be of help to anyone Please pass it on Thanks Myrna in Saskatchewan, Canada Please visit our web site JUST GENEALOGY !! at: http://www.stas.net/gen/

None of these names appear in this document. An original list was posted. ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Longpre <longpre_cm@hotmail.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 10:42 AM Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Reply to Shirley Estate Emigration Papers;Short, Boylan, McMahon > Krisha, > Would you have come across- Patrick Dacey and Bridget Holmes > - Peter O'Boyle and Catherine Temlin > and their children > - Anthony McAlinden and Margaret Henighan > and their children > - Broderick ( catherine temlin's mother's > people) > The Kyles and Hillmans came out in the late 1700's so I doubt they would be > there > If you can find any of these I would be for ever grateful .They all settled > in the Ottawa Valley , Canada . trying to find where they came from has been > impossible. > Christine > >From: "Krisha Banigan" <KRISHAB3@email.msn.com> > >Reply-To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com > >To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [MONAGHAN~] Reply to Shirley Estate Emigration Papers;Short, > >Boylan, McMahon > >Date: Wed, 16 Aug 2000 09:28:00 -0700 > > > >Here's more requests for Short , Boylan, McMahon: > > > >Emigration List 1844 > >Boylan Mary 47/Anne 16/James 14/Bridget ?/John 2/ Lattinalbany/ granted > >9lb0s > >McMahon Bridget 20/Corvally/ 2lb5s > >McMahon Owen -/no address/ 2lb0s > > > >Emigrant 1846 > >McMahon Anne 42/john 23/Mary 20/Cath 15/Anne 14/Brig 9/ Rose 7/ and Patk > >Shaffrey 2 months/ Crumlin/16lb5s > > > >Emigrants 1847 > >McMahon La 52/cath 40/Mary 17/ Pat 15/ Jn 13/ Brig 11/La 9/ Owen 7/ Ml 5/ > >Betty 1/ Dooagh/ 28lb > >McMahon Oliver 32/ Anne 30/ Mary 5/ Brig 2/?Aughanlaughey?/8lb/'house > >down'/.(see Admin) > > > >Emigrants 1849 > >McMahon John 45/ Mary 26/ Nurebeg/3lb10s > > > >Emigrants 1849 to Aust. in Aug. > >McMahon Edward 18/ Alice 19/ Greaghdromnisk/ Dau and son of Edward McMahon > >McMahon William 20/Edward 22/Mary 18/ Tullenescagh/sons and dau to Jn > >McMahon--Jn Stephens has all the farm > >Short Judith 20/Catherine 18/ Corereeagh/ Daughters to Francis Short. His > >farm is given to THos Wilson in March 1848. > > > >Krisha > > > > > > > >==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > >1-Send your replies back to the list--you may be helping someone else with > >the information. > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com > > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > 1-Send your replies back to the list--you may be helping someone else with the information. >

Thank you so much. It is difficult to clarify any info when you live in OZ, the LDS have not had access to the RC parish registers and a trip to Ireland is impossible for a year or two. These Shorts are bound to be related and as each piece of info is collected the peices in the puzzel will hopefully fit together eventually. Francis is probably related to my John married to Elizabeth ? Their son John also emmigrated to OZ in 1863. Jenny in OZ ----- Original Message ----- From: Krisha Banigan <KRISHAB3@email.msn.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 2:28 AM Subject: [MONAGHAN~] Reply to Shirley Estate Emigration Papers;Short, Boylan, McMahon > Here's more requests for Short , Boylan, McMahon: > > Emigration List 1844 > Boylan Mary 47/Anne 16/James 14/Bridget ?/John 2/ Lattinalbany/ granted 9lb0s > McMahon Bridget 20/Corvally/ 2lb5s > McMahon Owen -/no address/ 2lb0s > > Emigrant 1846 > McMahon Anne 42/john 23/Mary 20/Cath 15/Anne 14/Brig 9/ Rose 7/ and Patk Shaffrey 2 months/ Crumlin/16lb5s > > Emigrants 1847 > McMahon La 52/cath 40/Mary 17/ Pat 15/ Jn 13/ Brig 11/La 9/ Owen 7/ Ml 5/ Betty 1/ Dooagh/ 28lb > McMahon Oliver 32/ Anne 30/ Mary 5/ Brig 2/?Aughanlaughey?/8lb/'house down'/.(see Admin) > > Emigrants 1849 > McMahon John 45/ Mary 26/ Nurebeg/3lb10s > > Emigrants 1849 to Aust. in Aug. > McMahon Edward 18/ Alice 19/ Greaghdromnisk/ Dau and son of Edward McMahon > McMahon William 20/Edward 22/Mary 18/ Tullenescagh/sons and dau to Jn McMahon--Jn Stephens has all the farm > Short Judith 20/Catherine 18/ Corereeagh/ Daughters to Francis Short. His farm is given to THos Wilson in March 1848. > > Krisha > > > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > 1-Send your replies back to the list--you may be helping someone else with the information. >

Jean the broxn NY address was for fred &carol .St Mary chuch is RC in Monagham town. The way things look LDS didnt get inside it becuseit was not on any MF. they had on file. If you no info o well.I ll go some other way. Thanks have a good time there and have one for me. Ray "Jean L. Mattox" wrote: > Ray: > I can't promise anything but am meeting with the Town Historian sometime > next week and will ask his advice on the St. Marys church. Is it RC or > Prot? > The name sounds like a 'plantation' name. Is it? > jean > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > 1-Send your replies back to the list--you may be helping someone else with the information.

Coolderry is a townland, this one in Magheracloone civil parish, in the extreme southern end of the parish, just east of where Co. Louth and Co. Meath meet the Co. Monaghan border. Coolderry, Magheracloone, Monaghan is right on the Monaghan/Louth border. It is right next to Magheracloone's Killark townland, to its northeast. A little tip of Killark also meets the Louth border, beyond an intervening cluster of four townlands east of Coolderry. Both townlands are south of Carrickmacross, and closer to and southeast of, Carrickashedoge. Hope this helps. Sally M