----- Original Message ----- From: "DR McClelland" <drmcclelland@home.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 12:26 PM Subject: [MONAGHAN~] McClellands of Ballybay (Laragh): 1786 > Hi Everyone, > > I am new to the group and I am hopeful that someone can help me with my Monaghan relatives. My great-grandfather, William, was born in Ballybay (or possibly, Laragh) in 1821. He came out to the Brampton area of Peel County in Ontario (then Upper Canada), probably in the 1830's. His religion was Presbyterian, his occupation was leather dealer and shoe maker, and he died in Brampton in 1871. I have some evidence that his father was named either William or Alexander and was connected (possibly renting land, to the Leslie Estate at Laragh. Last April, when in the National Library in Dublin, I found a reference in the Clogher Record 11(1)(1982): 71-76 to three McClellands, Alexander, Samuel and Thomas who were tennants renting land on the Leslie Estate in 1786. I am extremely interested in any information concerning these McClellands, particularly Alexander. Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Bill McClelland, London, Ontario, Canad > > drmcclelland@home.com > > > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > Try your luck if you're looking for ancestors in Pennsylvania, USA: > Subscribe to the Pennsylvania Census Lookup list: > mailto:PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe >

Unfortunate title! Can anyone tell me where Ballybrooky is/was? Couldn't find it on my map. Thanks. L Fisher

I rented the Clones records. They are on film 0897416, item 1. I took notes on all the Wallace, Wilson, Irvine, & anything that resembled McAnally names. Records ran from 1600's to 1870's, maybe later, but that's where I stopped. If anyone want me to check my notes for Wallace, Wilson, Irvine, or McAnally, I'd be glad to try to help, but the film has been returned to Salt Lake City. Sue Marcus

Hi Everyone, I am new to the group and I am hopeful that someone can help me with my Monaghan relatives. My great-grandfather, William, was born in Ballybay (or possibly, Laragh) in 1821. He came out to the Brampton area of Peel County in Ontario (then Upper Canada), probably in the 1830's. His religion was Presbyterian, his occupation was leather dealer and shoe maker, and he died in Brampton in 1871. I have some evidence that his father was named either William or Alexander and was connected (possibly renting land, to the Leslie Estate at Laragh. Last April, when in the National Library in Dublin, I found a reference in the Clogher Record 11(1)(1982): 71-76 to three McClellands, Alexander, Samuel and Thomas who were tennants renting land on the Leslie Estate in 1786. I am extremely interested in any information concerning these McClellands, particularly Alexander. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Bill McClelland, London, Ontario, Canad drmcclelland@home.com

I don't know if these RC records for Clones Parish are available from LDS or not, but I don't think they are. Just check out the LDS on-line catalog to be sure. I would advise that you just write to the church and ask if your family shows up in their records in a particular time period. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: Anne Hollingshead <hollies@melbpc.org.au> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 15, 2000 2:10 AM Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Parish Records > Hi Patricia, > > You wrote - "If you are interested in Roman Catholic records, there is one > for Clones > Parish. These records start in July 1848." > > That's wonderful, I thought the only records started in about 1864. Could > you tell me about these records and if they are on film. My ancestors left > for Australia after 1848 but before 1860. > > Thanks, > > Anne, > > Melbourne, > AUS. > > > > > ==== IRL-MONAGHAN Mailing List ==== > Try your luck if you're looking for ancestors in Pennsylvania, USA: > Subscribe to the Pennsylvania Census Lookup list: > mailto:PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe >

Hello Everyone: I am researching a John NELSON, who, according to the Upper Canada Land Petitions, on Nov. 11, 1831 signed an Oath of Allegiance which stated: "That he served 7 2/12 years in His Majesty's 13th Dragoons". Can anyone tell me where the 13th Dragoons came from? Also, can you suggest where I might get further information. The Land Petition states that he was a native of Ireland, but that's all. I believe that he is the same John NELSON who came to Canada from Clones, Monaghan. Any assistance would be most appreciated. Dennis Galley, Port Elgin, Ontario, Canada.

I would love to find anyone familar with the surname LEARY in Corlatt, Parish of Newbliss, Co. Monaghan. Specifically looking for a John Leary who would have probably been born c. 1830's. He had a daughter, Sarah Jane, b. c. 1850's. The family belonged to the Church of Ireland.

A question was raised on a list re education in Ireland and I posted the following to show what the situation was in one area of County Laois at the time. Most people believe that the Irish were uneducated, yet, looking at census figures for the19th century would give the impression that this is not absolutely correct. This was the situation re education in a town in Co. Laois and it's Hinterland in 1835. I am now sending this to other lists as it will give people an idea of what the situation was in one area - and so was probably very similar the country over. My apologies to those who receive multiple postings Jane Rathdowney has a population today of about 2000 people. The article is taken from 'The Rathdowney Review' 1999. I cannot credit the author as none is listed. The article is entitled 'Primary Education in Rathdowney and Skeirke in 1835. In 1831, seven men met in 22 Merrion Street, Dublin, in what was afterwards the office of the Irish Land Commission and more recently the Merrion Hotel. It was an important meeting, as they had come together to provide primary education for people ill-supplied with school buildings, school books and indeed school teachers. There were, it is true, thousands of schools in Ireland at that time, but most of them were mud walled, earthen floored, thatched-roof cabins. Yet despite the poverty of the school buildings and despite the poverty of the people, the Commission of 1835 set out to ascertain the state of each parish with reference to the means of education and could report in the whole of Ireland there were 9,657 "Daily Schools" of which 5,653 were supported wholly by payments from the children and 4,404 supported wholly or in part by endowment or subscription. Most of the schools supported by payment from the children, had their origin in the Hedge Schools of earlier centuries. These schools were the result of a policy of repression by the English Government aimed at denying education to Irish Catholics They were so called because the teacher - who was often treated as an outlaw knew that there was less danger of detection, in conducting classes in the open. The position in Rathdowney as per the Commissioner's report was as follows: 1. School endowed by the London Hibernian Society and conducted by Ina Nolan. On the roll were 36 males and 32 females. Curriculum included Reading, Writing, Arithmetic, Scriptural Instruction, Needlework for the girls. 2. Daily school conducted by Samuel Mason. Payment by scholars from 2 shillings to 3 Shillings a quarter. Subjects taught English Grammar, Geography and Book-keeping. Forty eight males and thirty seven females attended. 3. William White, school grant-aided by the Board of Education. On the roll were forty five males and twenty five females. Reading, Writing and Arithmetic were on the curriculum. 4. School conducted by Patrick Bergin. Payments by children of 2 shillings to 4 shillings a quarter. There were fifty males and thirty females on the roll. Reading, writing and Arithmetic were taught to all students, a few learned Book-keeping, Mensuration and English Grammar. 5. School educated by Francis Comerford, closed in Winter. Attendance forty males and twenty females. Curriculum was Reading, Writing and Arithmetic. Payments by children. 6. School conducted by Patrick Phelan, closed in Winter. Forty seven males and thirty three females attended. Reading, Writing and Arithmetic were taught. Payment by children. 7. Luke McLean was the teacher. School supported by the London Hibernian Society and payments by children. Forty five males and thirty five females attended. Curriculum was Reading, Writing and Arithmetic. 8. School conducted by Patrick Byrne. Payments by children. Forty males and twenty females. Reading, Writing and Arithmetic were taught. 9. School conducted by John Kelly, Twenty nine males and ten females attended, Reading, Writing and Arithmetic were in the curriculum. 10. School conducted by Michael Glen. Forty males and twenty females attended. Subjects taught were Reading, Writing and Arithmetic. 11. School conducted by Michael MeEvry. There were fifty males and twenty females. Reading, Writing and Arithmetic were taught. Schools 9, 1 0 & 11 were supported by subscriptions from the pupils. A Sunday School was conducted in conjunction with Ina Nolan's School. Teaching was gratuitous. Attendance thirty males only. Spelling, Reading and Religious Instruction were on the curriculum. In Skeirke there were two schools operating in 1835. One was a "daily school" connected with the London Hibemian Society. Hugh Beale was the master. It received three pound from the Society, five pounds annually from the vicar plus a house and an acre of ground. Books were supplied by the Society. Reading, Writing and Arithmetic were taught. Fifty eight males and twenty five females attended the school. The second day school was kept by Michael Browne. Payment was from one shilling to three shillings per quarter. Thirty six males and twenty four females were on the roll. Reading, Writing, Book-keeping, Arithmetic and Mensuration were taught. The London Hibernian Society, The Baptist Society, The Erasmus Smith Schools and others all had aims as much religious and proselytising, as educational. The Commissioners of Public Instruction in Ireland withdrew grants from the various societies and according to Lord Stanley (the Chief Secretary) were to provide for "combined moral and literary separate religious education" scrupulously avoiding interference "with the peculiar tenets of any description of Christian Pupils". The bitterness of subsequent disputes between Church and State, seems to obscure these facts. Local contributions through Boards of Management, and paid out of Church funds are still in operation; while free second level and almost free third level are in vogue. With falling walls in small schools in rural areas, and increasing numbers of non- compliant and non-paying members in large urban areas, complete financing from central funds cannot be too far away. The present position or primary schools is a far cry from the sod of turf, lack of sanitary facilities, special vacation for potato sowing in spring and general harvesting in Autumn, as well as closure for protracted periods in winter.

I am searching for any information about the family of my grandmother Annie Martin. She was born April 16,1880, in Co. Monaghan. Her parents were Peter and Anna Martin. She probably had two sisters Margaret and Bridget. Maybe more ,but those were the only two that I recall her mentioning. She left Ireland for U.S.in 1900 on the ship "Furnessia" She settled in Pittsburgh,Pa.,married Michael Reilly from Co. Meath and lived in Pittsburgh, the rest of her life. Audrey

We are trying to locate the Ancestors or siblings of James Marshall who was born in 1821 in Ballybay Co. Monaghan Ireland and who with his brother John came to Canada in or before 1845. James settled in Manvers Township (in then Durham County, Upper Canada ) now Victoria County, Ontario . They reportedly landed at Port Hope and came North. John stopped in the Bewdley area and was not heard of again. Any suggestions or help would be appreciated. All the information that I have been able to capture is included on our site. www3.sympatico.ca/fmarshall

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Hi Julie, I'm not researching MILLS but two witnessed my gggrandfather Thomas COULSON's marriage in 1853 in Cootehill which I think is near Clones: Registrar's District of Cootehill in the Parish of Currin, in the Co Monaghan May 5 1853 Thomas COULSON, of full age, bachelor, labourer, residing at Croslea, Parish of Ematris, father Francis COULSON, labourer Mary HAW, of full age, spinster, residing at Corrinchigo, Parish of Currin, father Samuel HAW, labourer Married in the Church of Drum, CE according to the rites and ceremonies of the United Church of England and Ireland by Banns by me, Robt Robotham Witnesses: Thos MILLS, William MILLS. Cheers Jan Canberra Australia >Hello Everyone, >I'm new to this so thought I'd post my surnames and hope someone can help me- > >MILLS > >QUINN > >GILLESPIE > >MORTON > >All from the Clones, Monaghan area as far as I know around the early 1800's. > >Look forward to hearing from anyone who may be able to help and exchange info. >Regards >Julie Whateley, Swan Hill, Victoria, Australia >

Hi Julie, I'm searching for a Mills ancestor also. I know just a little about this family. His name wa Francis Mills and he was a weaver by trade. He came to USA or Canada before 1853 as he was married in New York in 1853 and then went on to Keppel Twp., Ontario with his new bride. Any connection to your Mills? Mitzi (Seaman) Maguire Yankee by birth Irish/Canadian by heritage IRL-MONAGHAN-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > IRL-MONAGHAN-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 77 > > Today's Topics: > #1 Re: [MONAGHAN~] Local History Book [Roc1030@aol.com] > #2 [MONAGHAN~] New surnames - MILLS, ["Julie Whateley" <jrwhat@swanhill.] > > Administrivia: > Excessively long signature lines containing information unrelated to the list > will not be tolerated. © MM > > If you'd like to read all previous messages that have been sent to this > list, go to the archives of the list that are located at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/IRL-MONAGHAN-L/ > and > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=irl-monaghan © MM > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: Re: [MONAGHAN~] Local History Book Muckno, Castleblayney , Co Monaghan > Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2000 23:04:28 EDT > From: Roc1030@aol.com > To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Do you have anything for Denis, Patrick or Felix Shevlin? thanks > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [MONAGHAN~] New surnames - MILLS, MORTON, QUINN & GILLESPIE > Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2000 14:39:44 +1000 > From: "Julie Whateley" <jrwhat@swanhill.net.au> > To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello Everyone, > I'm new to this so thought I'd post my surnames and hope someone can help me- > > MILLS > > QUINN > > GILLESPIE > > MORTON > > All from the Clones, Monaghan area as far as I know around the early 1800's. > > Look forward to hearing from anyone who may be able to help and exchange info. > Regards > Julie Whateley, Swan Hill, Victoria, Australia -- Mitzi Maguire

Hello Everyone, I'm new to this so thought I'd post my surnames and hope someone can help me- MILLS QUINN GILLESPIE MORTON All from the Clones, Monaghan area as far as I know around the early 1800's. Look forward to hearing from anyone who may be able to help and exchange info. Regards Julie Whateley, Swan Hill, Victoria, Australia

Do you have anything for Denis, Patrick or Felix Shevlin? thanks

Krisha thanks alot for that info that was next in line.thanks again . ray Krisha Banigan wrote: > The following ships were listed as carrying emigrants from the Shirley Estate to various dest. in 1848 only. > > Ship/Destination > > Chester/NY > Intrinsic/NY > Ard Foster/NY > Pursuit/NY > Strang/Quebec > Samuel Nicks/NY > Republic/NY > Cora Linn/NY > Devon/NY > Trident/Philadelphia > America/NY > Sardinia/NY

The following ships were listed as carrying emigrants from the Shirley Estate to various dest. in 1848 only. Ship/Destination Chester/NY Intrinsic/NY Ard Foster/NY Pursuit/NY Strang/Quebec Samuel Nicks/NY Republic/NY Cora Linn/NY Devon/NY Trident/Philadelphia America/NY Sardinia/NY

I have a copy of Paula's book. Great read for the history and Parish of Muckno! Beyond the Big Bridge: mailto:paulamcgeough@hotmail.com A local history study on Oram, a townland area three miles east of Castleblayney in Co Monaghan. It contains graveyard inscriptions (with maps) from 5 cemeteries both Protestant and Catholic. It includes writings from children from many local schools in 1938 , cures , a list of all families names and their origins in this broad area ( approx 100), local customs, Flax, corn threshing, recreational games of long ago, football teams,other sporting activities, poetry and local verse. Cost £15 Irish pounds and postage: US, £17 priority, £11.40 economy. Paula McGeough Oram, Castleblayney Co. Monaghan, Ireland 15 IEP is 16.2683 USD 11.40 IEP is 12.3639 USD HTH... ___________ Ann Harney http://www.exis.net/ahd/monaghan/ McGeough / Connolly / Floody / Smyth

I rented the Clones film & viewed it at my local Family History Center. The film number is 0897416 item 1. I have some notes from the film, but just for my surnames of interest: Wallace Ward Irvine Wilson Gibbons McAnally (or anything close to it) Sue Marcus

Hi Dennis, The records of the Clones Parish Church of Ireland do exist - on microfilm from LDS in Salt Lake City. These records cover the entire Parish of Clones both in Co. Monaghan and Co. Fermanagh. They are very old, starting in 1682. The microfilm is very large and extremely interesting. Check on the PRONI site on the internet. If the film is listed there [and it probably is] you will be able to purchase a copy of it for yourself. The cost is 13.30 pounds sterling plus postage. You must first obtain written permission, from the Minister in Clones Parish, to purchase the microfilm. Unless you have many family members in that Parish, you would be just as well off to 'rent' the film from Salt Lake City. You will have several weeks to look at the film and should be able to find all that you need in that time span. If you are interested in Roman Catholic records, there is one for Clones Parish. These records start in July 1848. The Presbyterian Church was also in Clones Parish and their records start in 1856. Presbyterian records can also be purchased from PRONI in the same manner as the Church of Ireland ones. Patricia ----- Original Message ----- From: Dennis W. Galley <galleyd@bmts.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 16, 2000 10:46 AM Subject: [MONAGHAN~] Parish Records > Hello Everyone: > I would like to research the Parish Records for > Clones, Monaghan, Ireland for the period 1795-1820. Can anyone tell me > if these records are available on microfiche, and can they be purchased? > > Also, it would appear that the only Church during that period would have > been the Church of Ireland. Can anyone confirm that fact? > > Thanks in advance..... > > Dennis Galley, > Port Elgin, Ontario, > Canada. >