Hello List, Researching GILMORE/GILMOUR & BRADY in Monaghan (Inniskeen/Inishkeen) & Louth (Dundalk). If anyone is researching similar families in the area please drop me a line. In particular: My great grandfather, Thomas Gilmore was born approximately 1846 (87 on death on 11/6/1933 per certificate) in Inniskeen / Inishkeen, C.Monaghan (family recollection). He emigrated to C.Durham, England pre 1881, as the 1881 Census of Brandon, Durham shows: Thomas Gilmore Age 36 Occupation: Colliery Labourer. Born Ireland 1891 Census of Langley Moor, Durham shows: Thomas Gilmour. Age: 45. Occupation: Coke Drawer. Born: Ireland The family were Roman Catholic. He is originally supposed to have come from poor agricultural labourer background & married before leaving Ireland (family recollection). His wife was Catherine Brady (surname from family recollection), born app 1849-55 (76 on death on 11/1/1931 per certificate but 42 on one census below) in Dundalk, C. Louth (family recollection. The 1881 Census of Brandon, Durham shows: Catherine Gilmore Age 26 Born Ireland 1891 Census of Langley Moor, Durham shows: Catherine Gilmour Age 42 Born Ireland Children (all born in C. Durham in England - may be useful if naming patterns followed): 1. Owen Gilmore b 1885 Great Grandfather 2. Thomas Gilmore b 1888-9 3. Catherine Gilmore b 1890 4. Patrick Gilmore b 1896 I'm currently awaiting mail back from Monaghan Ancestry regarding finding out more - in particular if anything shows on the local Griffiths Valuation/Tithe Applotment List & the Parish Records. Best regards, Owen Gilmore-Noble Middlewich, Cheshire

Beverly, The surname doesn't turn up in any of my files. Sorry. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beverly L Pasternak" <paster3@juno.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 12:36 PM Subject: Gillander > > Please let me know if you find any Gillander/Gillanders in your research. > Thanks, > Beverly > > >

I may not have finished this file and don't have time to check the original paper. The surnames I have here are those which I know that listmemembers are looking for so for this one, it's simply a case of this is all I have for the moment probably because people asked me about these names in the past. Conlon, Duffy, McGough Kileevan: A3 Conlan Catherine 11 Dec 1899 96 McGuirk on this stone erected by John & Mary Ann Donnelly Kileevan: A97 Duffy Thomas 3 Dec 1831 18 brother of John Kileevan: B18 Duffy Mary 23rd July 1926 50 Annagoes Wife of Joseph Kileevan: B18 Duffy Joseph 30th Sept 1933 80 Annagoes hus of Mary Kileevan: B18 Duffy Michael 23rd Feb 1935 32 son of Mary & Joseph Kileevan: B18 Duffy Rose 3rd April 1918 70 Kileevan: B21 Duffy Mary 9th March 1903 Annagoes sister of Elizabeth Kileevan: B21 Duffy Elizabeth 1898 sis of Mary Kileevan: B22 Duffy James 13th Aug 1926 85 Killeevan hus of Mary Kileevan: B22 Duffy Mary 27th Dec 1919 68 Killeevan wife of James Kileevan: B22 Duffy James & Mary died young Killeevan children of James & Mary Kilevan: A37 Duffy Hugh 8 March 1836 91 Annagoes father of Edward Killeevan: B 34 Duffy Hugh 23rd June 1903 Newbliss hus of Julia Killeevan: B 34 Duffy Julia 8th July 1911 Newbliss wife of Hugh Killeevan: B 34 Duffy Minnie 25th Sept 1892 dau of Hugh & Julia Killeevan: B 34 Duffy Patrick 2nd June 1912 son of Hugh & Julia Killeevan: B 34 Duffy Hugh 23rd May 1918 son of Hugh & Julia Killeevan: B24 Duffy Stone marker Killeevan: C40 Duffy Bernard 1861 50 Drumswords hus of Rose Killeevan: C40 Duffy Rose 1848 38 wife of Bernard Killeevan: C40 Duffy Mary 1862 19 dau of Bernard & Rose Killeevan: C62 Duffy Michael 19th Aug 1819 73 Annagoes fath of Michael/Annagoes Killeevan: C63 Duffy Ellen 1895 sister of Michael/Annagoes Killeevan: OSMOnaghan 12: Duffy Patrick 26th March 1790 16 son of Patrick Duffy Killevan:B3 Duffy Catherine 25th Oct 1960 Drumcaw wife of James Killevan:B3 Duffy James 8th April 1921 Drumcaw hus of Catherine Kileevan: C9 McGeough Drumshannon - just a stone with the surname.

No Wallace, Wilson, Irvine, McAnally. No Larkin, McGough, Martin or Lafferty No Rusk or Ruske No Lundy, Eakins/Aikens, Brown, Anderson, Scott, Oliver No Rogers/Rodgers No Griffith No Conlon/Conlin/Cumisky No Mahaffy/Maheffy No Doherty No Durnin or Durnan No Eakin/Moffet No Harris, Mcraren, Mooney No Swanzy, Malcolm No Fergusons No Lowe No McCoy No Scotts No McKenna No Weir No Trainor/Trayner No Hamilton Maghercross: 12 McMahon Arthur Nov. 4th 1711 67 Colefore Maghercross: 33 McMahon Peter, Mr. April 6th 1830 bro of Miss. Rose Daly of Oxford Maghercross: 33 McMahon Patrick April 4th 1799 31 Maghercross: 61 McMahon Margaret wife of Charles, Carrickmacross, Solicitor Maghercross: 62 McMahon James June 6th 1797 66 fath of Joseph Maghercross: 62 McMahon Joseph 8th Feb 1858 son of James Maghercross: 62 McMahon Bridget 8th eb 1847 wife of Joseph Maghercross: 62 McMahon James 10th Dec 1828 son of Joseph & bridget Maghercross: 62 McMahon Bryan 27th Dec 188? son of Joseph & bridget Maghercross: 62 Mcmahon Patrick 17th June 1885 son of Joseph & bridget Maghercross: 62 McMahon Francis 5th feb 1886 son of Joseph & bridget Maghercross: 5 Duffy mother of 26th Jany 1827 56 moth of Philip Maghercross: 47 Marron Anne 22nd Jan 1884 66 Carrickmacross erected by Anne Duffy, Carrickmacross Maghercross: 8 Carrol Laur. Feb 8th 1778 36 fath of Henry Maghercross: 16 Carroll Peter Sept 22nd 1852 79 uncle of Peter Jones Carrickmacross Maghercross: 16 Jones/Carroll Mary Feb 13th 1847 69 ?Carrickmacross mother of Peter/Carrickmacross Maghercross: 28 Kernan Eduardi Feb 1844 75 RC Epicsopi, all in latin Maghercross: 28 Kernan 2 brothers & 3 sisters of the above named venereated Prelate - Eduardi Kernan Maghercross: 21 Kiernan Terence Carrickmacross ereted by Terence for himself & posterity Maghercross: 39 Moore John 11th June 1754 45 also his child John Maghercross: 39 Moore Thomas father of John sen. Maghercross: 39 Moore James 21st Nov 1870 25 2nd son of William & Catherine Moore Maghercross: 3 McCabe Patrick Jan 7th 1775 68 erected by Peter McCabe Maghercross: 70 Burn John stone erected by John Burn Maghercross: 60 Byrne Rose 4th June 1865 Sreenty wife of thomas erected by her children in Ireland & America Maghercross: 71 Woods George 1665 Maghercross: 71 Woods Margret May 14th 1734 wife of George Woods Maghercross: 71 Woods John March 7th 1748-1749 70 Maghercross: 71 Woods Forefaher = ?? 10th Jan 1696 80

No Wallace, Wilson, Irvine, McAnally. No Larkin, McGough, Martin or Lafferty No Rusk or Ruske No Lundy, Eakins/Aikens, Brown, Anderson, Scott, Oliver No Rogers/Rodgers No Griffith/s No Conlon/Conlin/Cumisky No Mahaffy/Maheffy No Doherty No Duffy or Carroll No Durnin or Durnan No Eakin/Moffet no Harris, Mooney or Macraren variant No Malcolm, Swanzy or Kiernan - McKernan listed also Kieran below No Fergusons No Lowe No McCoy No Scotts No McKenna No Weir No Woods, Trainor/Trayner Abbey Graveyard, Clones:16 McMahon Roger 1745 & his posterity Abbey Graveyard, Clones inside Chapel: 21 Mcmahon Elizabeth 12/1/1855 Lissorty mother of Rev. Edward/Lissorty Abbey Graveyard, Clones inside Chapel: 21 McMahon James 31/3/1855 father of Rev. Edward Lissorty Abbey Graveyard, Clones inside Chapel: 30 McMahon Arthur 27/10/1874 born at Scottshouse, d. Manchester, hus Mary herbert Abbey Graveyard, Clones inside Chapel: 65 McMahon Redmond 1761 53 father of bernard Abbey Graveyard, Clones inside Chapel: 65 Mcmahon Bernard Dec 16th 17?? son of Redmond Abbey Graveyard, Clones inside Chapel: 30 McMahon/herbert Mary 28/3/1864 born in Gleer, d. Manchester, sister to Rev. Michael, stone erected by her shicldren William Mcmahon & Bridget Reynolds, Manchester Abbey Graveyard, Clones inside Chapel: 55 Mckernan William May 1741 31 Abbey Graveyard, Clones inside Chapel: 57 Kieran Edward 14/2/1739 Abbey Graveyard, Clones inside Chapel: 58 Kieran Bryan 2. nov. 23 Abbey Graveyard, Clones inside Chapel: 58 Kieran John Hugh Nov. 1820 1 yr & 10 months son to Bryan Kieran Abbey Graveyard, Clones inside Chapel: 31 Moore ELinor 20/1/17?4 71 Abbey Graveyard, Clones inside Chapel: 47 McCabe wife 3/3/1853 67 Clinkeencole wife of john Abbey Graveyard, Clones inside Chapel: 48 McCabe Rose 13/7/1838 65 Scarvey wife of pat Abbey Graveyard, Clones:13 Burns Mary wife of Bernard (No date)

No Wallace, Wilson, Irvine, McAnally. No Larkin, McGough, or Lafferty No Rusk or Ruske No Lundy, Eakins/Aikens, Brown, Anderson, Scott, Oliver No Rogers/Rodgers Watch for spelling Kernan No Griffith/s Surname Conlon mentioned on one stone - no details, nothing else. No Cumisky No Mahaffy/Maheffy No Doherty No Duffy or Carroll No Durnin or Durnan No Eakin/Moffet No Harris,No Macraren or Mooney - watch for McCarren/on No Malcolm, Swanzy or Kiernan (one Kernan maiden name) - and Mckernan No Fergusons No Lowe or Moore No Burns No McCoy No Scott I'm including McKernan No Weir No Woods, Trainor/Trayner Clones Round Tower: 150 Martin Patrick 31/7/1782 71 Clones Round Tower: 124 McMahan/Kernan Mary 21/6/1779 33 Clones Round Tower: 141 Mcmahon Philip 12/12/1747 65 Clones Round Tower: 142 McMahon Neal 1783 Clones? fath of Patt/Clones Clones Round Tower: 143 Mcmahon Redmond 6/5/1757 68 Clones Round Tower: 132 McCabe Bell 1/3/1778 17 dau of William Clones Round Tower: 162 McCabe Hugh 31/3/1756 71 Clagherna Clones Round Tower: 162 McCabe Mary 16/4/1816 51 Clones Round Tower: 117 Mccabe/McNeaney Rose & children wife of Barney Clones Round Tower: 76 McCarran erected by Oyn for himself & his.. Clones Round Tower: 53 McCarron Ellen Clones Round Tower: 151 Mckenna Patrick 31/8/1733 71 hus of Suizanna Clones Round Tower: 153 McKenna Thomas 9/7/1789 60 Anaghervy Clones Round Tower: 151 McKenna/Mimagh Suizanna 9/4/1727 50 wife of Patrick Clones Round Tower: 27 McKernan Patrick 12/3/1805 75 Dunsrim? father of Thomas/Dunsrim Clones Round Tower: 27 McKernan Judith 6/12/1812 64 mother of Thomas/Dunsrim Clones Round Tower: 27 Mckernan Phelix 15/5/1818 60(/) brother of Thomas/Dunsrim Clones Round Tower: 122 McKernan Dan 15/3/1783 82 father of John

Clones Church of Ireland graveyard. OS 11:16, H50.25 No Wallace, McAnally No Larkin, McGough, Martin or Lafferty No Lundy, Anderson, Oliver No Rogers/Rodgers No McMahon No Griffith/s No Conlon/Conlin/Cumisky No Mahaffy/Maheffy No Doherty No Duffy or Carroll No Durnin or Durnan No Moffet No Macraren or Mooney No Malcolm, Swanzy or Kiernan (Swann though) No McCabe, Burns, No McCoy No McKenna No Weir No Trainor/Trayner Hamilton listed here - didn't say I'd checked in Drumswords. If any of this list differs from the Drumswords checklist then there is a stone and details are below. Jane Clones: 23 Wilson Jane 6th Oct 1875 41 wife of Adam Clones: 23 Wilson Adam 20th Jan 1889 78 hus of Jane Clones: 23 Wilson Adam 13th Feb 1870 13 son of Adam and Jane Clones: 124 Irvine Ann 16th Aug 1839 wife of Gerd. Clones: 124 Irvine Gerd. 1826 son of Gerd. & Ann Clones: 124 Irvine Elenor July 11th 1841 25 daughter of Gerard & ann Clones: 138 Ruske James 1939-1945 Flight Lieut Clones: 127 EAKIN R.. 1914-1918 member of Clones Parish, died in Greaet war 1914-1918 Clones: 113 Brown James Dec 20th 1751 82 Clones: 113 Brown John April 15th 1775 son of John Clones: 73 Browne Thomas Sept 10th 1872 47 Clones: 127 Scott J. (R.N) 1914-1918 member of Clones Parish, died in Greaet war 1914-1918 Clones: 72 Scott Mary 20th Aug 1856 45 Clones Wife of Dr. Hoskins, sister of James Clarke Clones: 18 Harris Fanny 18th Mar 1852 87 Clones: 127 Ferguson J.H. (R.N) 1914-1918 member of Clones Parish, died in Greaet war 1914-1918 Clones: 127 Ferguson J 1914-1918 member of Clones Parish, died in Greaet war 1914-1918 Clones: 140 Ferguson James 1914-1918 Clones: 62 Lowe Henry 6th Nov. 1890 62 Clones Clones: 62 Lowe Elizabeth A. June 9th 1899 90 Clones: 62 Lowe Henry 25th April 1914 Clones: 62 Lowe Margaret A 13th Dec. 1937 Clones: 77 Moore Marshall 28th April 1892 78 Clones: 77 Moore/McKean Sarah Elizabeth Nov 5th 1905 8 she died in Dublin Clones: 127 Scott J. (R.N) 1914-1918 member of Clones Parish, died in Greaet war 1914-1918 Clones: 72 Scott Mary 20th Aug 1856 45 Clones Wife of Dr. Hoskins, sister of James Clarke Clones: 140 Woods Robert 1914-1918 Clones: 112 Hamilton James Sept 22nd 17?? 79 Clones: 112 Hamilton John June 14th 1753 52 Clones: 87 Hamilton John Pierce father of Martha Hamilton Clones: 87 Hamilton Margaret wife of John Pierce Hamilton., parents of Martha Clones: 87 Hamilton brothers & sisters Clones: 87 Hamilton Martha 10th April 1895 86 dau of John & Margaret Clones: 116 Hamilton/Thomson Rita 3rd Oct. 1930 51 Bushford

I'm giving the list of surnames which do not occur - and having checked them as mail came in - so that if anyone ever goes through the archives of this list they will know what surnames do not occur. The stone information is below this list of No's and yes's. Jane No Wallace, Wilson, Irvine, McAnally. No Larkin, McGough, Martin or Lafferty No Rusk or Ruske No Lundy, Eakins/Aikens, Brown, Anderson, Scott, Oliver Rogers - Two stones beside one another No McMahon Two Griffith stones beside one another: White here also No Conlon/Conlin/Cumisky No Mahaffy/Maheffy No Doherty No Duffy or Carroll No Durnin or Durnan No Eakin/Moffet One HArris stone, No Macraren or Mooney No Malcolm, Swanzy or Kiernan No Fergusons No Lowe or Moore No McCabe, Burns, No McCoy No Scotts No McKenna No Weir No Woods, Trainor/Trayner Rogers: Drumswords: 28 Rogers Jane Aug 1815 36 wife of Thomas Drumswords: 28 Rogers Thomas 3rd April 1829 62 Glynch hus of Jane Drumswords: 29 Rogers Jospeh Feb 2nd 1826 72 Glynch hus of Margaret Drumswords: 29 Rogers Margaret 9th Feb 1826 82 Glynch wife of Joseph Griffith: Drumswords: 13 Griffith James ESq May 22nd 1798 56 Drum fath of Frances Drumswords: 13 Griffith Frances July 2nd 1800 21 Drum 4th dau James Drumswords: 14 Griffith John June 17th 1745 Cornapeaste Drumswords: 13 White Elenor 8th May 1825 19 Ballybay on Griffith stone, wife of James Drumswords: 17 Harris Mary Oct 20th 1838 77

First - I will get back to those teachers lists and the Shirley Estate posts over the next few days - hopefully. I have some graveyard Transcriptions for Co. Monaghan. Some people don't know what part of Monaghan their ancestors came from and when you look at graveyards there can be an abundance of one name in one and then you mightn't find it in any others. I find graveyard transcriptions handy for any county to give some idea of surname spread/location through a county and particularly to look at dates - you can find lots of people of one surname buried somewhere over so manyyears and then the name can disappear - no more stones for the later period. Now, you have to remember - looking for some names can be like trying to work out which grain of sand on a beach is the one you want for any county - Duffy is an example of this in Monaghan. Then, for others - it's the opposite. Also, it is said that only about 10% of the Irish population ever put up stones, and even then we have people buried where there was a stone and the name was never put on it! I only have a few transcriptions - please remember that also. There are others, and I am only going to post what I find on any surnames that people have made enquiries of over the last month or two - not all the transcriptions. The lines will run together because that happens when I copy and paste from my file into an e mail - it would take too long for me to try and sort out eveything individually. My headers run: Graveyard Name and Stone Number: Surname: Name: Date of Birth (if given) :date of Death: Age at Death (if given): PLace from (if given): and any relationships mentioned on the stone. These are sorted alphabetically by surname, so someone on one stone may not turn up listed under other people on that stone if the surname was different. I also include maiden names where they are given so if I have a woman who's married name was Smith but whose maiden name was Duffy then I have her listed as Smith/Duffy. I'll do each graveyard separately so that you know what has been checked. If none of your names turns up then you can cross that off your list of places to look if you have one. One other thing, no matter what the denomination of any graveyard anywhere in Ireland we find Protestants and Catholics buried together pre 1900. Don't exclude any graveyard when you read through transcriptions. Jane

Please let me know if you find any Gillander/Gillanders in your research. Thanks, Beverly

Hi, We have Olivers that married into my Hunter family, so I have been doing some checking on them. The 1864-1874 Vital Records Index shows Olivers in Raferagh Parish, Co. Monaghan. This parish now appears to be called Magheross. The estate that covers the area is the Shirley Estate. According to the Ordnance Survey Memoirs the locals sometimes referred to it as Carrickmacross (which is the largest town nearby). We also have Nelsons in the family from Corvally Townland which is also in Magheross parish. IGI also shows Olivers in Clones, Dawsongrove & Donagh parishes. Hope this helps give you some direction. Best wishes, Joan Hunter, Essex, Ontario. ----- Original Message ----- From: <GLS1943@aol.com> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 4:54 AM Subject: McCoy-Oliver > My great great grandfather gave his birth place as County Monaghan. He was > born in 1833. He was classically educated, became a school teacher, > emigrated to Australia in 1860 and established a school in Ballarat, > Victoria. He came to a tragic end and I've been attempting to learn more of > his beginnings. > > His father was Alexander McCoy, a banker, and his mother was Mary Oliver. > They seemed to have been Presbyterian (at least Robert was in Australia). I > haven't been able to discover anything else about this family. > > Because I am very ignorant of researching practices in Ireland, I am stuck > and haven't a clue as to how to progress. I thought of attempting to find > directories, but don't know if they exist. I know nothing of the > Presbyterian church in Ireland. Were there very many? Is it difficult to > find parish lists? If Alexander is listed as being a banker....wouldn't that > indicate that he might have had land? One might think he wuld have left a > will....but how do I check for a will? > > So....I have a ton of questions...no answers....and great confusion. If any > one has any suggestions for me, I would be grateful. > > Regards, > Georgia Whitson > Philadelphia, Pennsylvania > >

In 1764,COOK, Revd. Dr. Thomas, arrived in New York with about 300 passengers who were members of his congregation. He obtained land in Washington County, NY Each male drew lots for new land. I look for ARMSTRONGS, MCCARTERS. They were Scotch Irish from Monaghan, Ireland. The area where they lived around Salem, Washington County was called Monaghan. Do you have info: name of ship, church that they left in Ireland? Thanks. roselv@lv.rmci.net --

I was wondering who administers this list. Thanks.

There are a number of particularly good web sites hosted by people around the world and relating to genealogy in Ireland. Some are maintained as a county web page. The following are URL's to sites which I consider to be particularly good. I'm not including any covered by Paul Gorry on the link to his site here and this is only a few sites - nothing comprehensive. it could be said that they are county specific, the names listed on them will be - but some of them also have very good explanations of the various general things you come across when doing research in Ireland. I'm posting these to this list, not because they are specifically related to the county but because if you chose to check out these sites then you may learn the answers to some questions you have. Sometimes you will see things explained in one way somewhere and another way somewhere else and the second explanation will be much clearer. ---------------------------------------------- A good description/explanation of the various Irish divisions you will meet and the records that you will find them of use in is found at the following: http://home.att.net/~genfiles/IreBirth/ire_div.htm On county Monaghan there is none better than http://www.exis.net/ahd/monaghan/default.htm ---------------------------------------- Philip O'Rourke is based here in Ireland and I could never recommend his site enough to anyone. Not because it contains names upon names for you to find, but because Philip loves Ireland and what he does on his web site. You have to read through his introduction and then 'My Irish Journey' and if you appreciate his words, then you will know why I recommend this site http://communities.msn.com/IrishAncestralPages --------------------------------------------- Fermanagh Gold is maintained by Jan Hart and is at: http://www.fermanagh.org.uk/goldhome.htm ---------------------------- Margaret Turner has a particularly good county Cork web page: To use the County Cork Web Page http://www.sci.net.au/userpages/mgrogan/cork/ire.cork.htm Use the Find facility for a particular surname or place, or, choose one of the categories at the top of the page. The Find facility allows you to AND (all words) or OR (any) words. --------------------- Raymond Kelly has a very good web site for county Down: which has been built to help people researching their ancestors in County Down especially in the areas of Banbridge, Dromore, Kilkeel and Mourne in the shape of Maps, Photos and Free Look ups where possible. www.cksc11654.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk ---------------------------------- Lindel has Donegal Gene website at: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~donegal/. --------------------------------- Paul Gorry gives a list of links to various web sites which host genealogical information from Ireland http://indigo.ie/~gorry/Free.html ---------------------- This Kerry site is also very good. A Dingle, County Kerry Genealogy Helper http://members.aol.com/waterlilys/index.html

Judy The following book lists records/resources that are available for Co Monaghan - John Grenham's Tracing your Ancestors. The list identifies the spinning wheel premium lists of 1796 - in the National Archives, Dublin, also the 1820s/30s Tithe Books. There is also the Monaghan Ancestral Research Group, 6 Tully, Monaghan, Co Monaghan who may be able to help. Or the Library At The Diamond, Clones Co Monaghan Telephone 047 51143. I came to a dead end on reseraching my grandmother's family - Loughlins who were from Co Monaghan. So I searched the current Irish telephone directory on the Internet and found that there were very few Loughlins in Monaghan, I wrote to them and then followed up by phone calls. One of the phone calls was successful as the family I called remembered the Loughlin family although not related and provided me with more definite information/ details of where they lived etc for further research. Maire

To search for an Irish web site on whatever topic you chose then this is a good search engine. http://interactive.iol.ie/SearchIreland/main/

Thanks to Jane for her information regarding Irish research, ie. barony, parish, etc. I have found some other sources which I would like to share. For those who have access to LDS Family History Centers, the LDS Church puts out an Ireland Research Outline, at a minimal fee. Also, question,- I found some old notes and checked for a site online called "A Quick Guide to Genealogy in Ireland" at: http://www.bess.tcd.ie/roots/prototyp/qguide.htm When I tried the site, it says currently not available, but it does not say "no longer" available. Does anyone know if this is still online, perhaps at a different URL? Also, let me see if I understand the following correctly. If my ancestor lived in Emyvale in the 1830s, I could check the Tithe Applotment Books for taxes paid to the( Church of Ireland)? (if he owned land or no land at all?) If this is the case, would I then check under the Parish for Emyvale, which is listed as Donagh? If this is the case, have these been filmed by the LDS and under what category would I search the Family History Library Catalog. - The latter is "key" I find, as I do a lot of LDS Family History Center research, and knowing *where* they catalogue something is indeed key. - under town, county, or country. Thank you. Regards, Donna Ristenbatt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ der@redrose.net Visit: ON THE TRAIL OF OUR ANCESTORS http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy

My great great grandfather gave his birth place as County Monaghan. He was born in 1833. He was classically educated, became a school teacher, emigrated to Australia in 1860 and established a school in Ballarat, Victoria. He came to a tragic end and I've been attempting to learn more of his beginnings. His father was Alexander McCoy, a banker, and his mother was Mary Oliver. They seemed to have been Presbyterian (at least Robert was in Australia). I haven't been able to discover anything else about this family. Because I am very ignorant of researching practices in Ireland, I am stuck and haven't a clue as to how to progress. I thought of attempting to find directories, but don't know if they exist. I know nothing of the Presbyterian church in Ireland. Were there very many? Is it difficult to find parish lists? If Alexander is listed as being a banker....wouldn't that indicate that he might have had land? One might think he wuld have left a will....but how do I check for a will? So....I have a ton of questions...no answers....and great confusion. If any one has any suggestions for me, I would be grateful. Regards, Georgia Whitson Philadelphia, Pennsylvania

I'd like to welcome those people who have just joined this list, particularly those who are just venturing into their ancestry for the first time ever. You will find that initially you may just be interested in the names you are missing from your family tree, finding out who went where, who their descendants are - where they came from in this county or country in the first place. You may never find the name of that place, but I do hope that your interest in gathering names will become one which willhave you wanting to find out more about the lives of these people. I hope you will always have patience with those who begin once you have reached a stage where you are experienced - either as a family historian or someone who knows how to use the internet to find some of what you are looking for. My name is Jane. I live in Ireland, Dublin - a while back, in or about the middle of November I was asked if I would have any interest in becoming List Manager for this list. I did hum and haw for a little bit, checked my files for what I have on Monaghan and then said yes. I have no list 'rules', my interest in genealogy and history stems not from trying to search for my ancestors - mine come from many counties. You may or may not appreciate the kind of posts I make, however, I really do try to give references to my sources when I say that this or that happens or happened in Ireland. My interest in rootsweb mailing lists comes from what I know I have access to here in Ireland that many others do not and would appreciate. When I first became manager of this list I realised that there were people out there who do not know how to post a message to a list - you subscribe, receive messages, but cannot write of your interests to the list. Everyone began on the same step as you, remember that. So - in order to post a message to the list you need to click on this e mail address IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com You will find a new e mail comes up on your screen, then type in the surnames you are interested in on the subject line and in the body of the mail say something about your ancestors. You may find that someone replies to you through the list, or personally - you may find that no-one replies - please don't be disappointed. In time - someone who makes the connection may turn up - then again, they may never, but you may by having patience learn about the lives of people in Monaghan. For people who are new to this group - and oldies - in order to see what messages have been posted to this group in the past, then you go to www.rootsweb.com once there you go to 'Mailing Lists' from there you may highlight/click on the 'Interactive search' or ' Threaded Archives List' and type in IRL-MONAGHAN in the box provided. For interactive Search then you will get a page showing 1999 and 2000 and once you click on one of those you will be able to key in whatever word it is you are interested in and check out whatever posts have been made with that word in the subject line, if you go the 'Threaded Archives' route - then you get a page with a month by month account of how may mails were posted to the list and you searcvh each one separately. There are some wonderful people on this list, with much more intimate connections to Monaghan than I have. Some I have met, some never, we've talked to one another off list in the past re graveyards and cameras and things. I don't want to post your names to the list - I remember when I first came into genealogy that some of you impressed me so much. I know that I accepted this list because it was one of the first I began posting in earnest to - and because of you. I thank you, for all you taught me and the interest you gave me. I would really like to see this list come to life, that people would click on that e mail address and we could see who is interested in what or who from where in Monaghan, that we could learn about their lives, those who went to different parts of the world and those who remained in Ireland. A roll call as such - you never know who will check out the archives in the future. Jane

Hi. I have written before seeking information on Mehaffys & Wrights. David & Hannah Wright Mehaffy are my great great grandparents. I have no information about their parents. When my uncle visited Ireland in 1986 he found their tombstone. It was in the old Reformed Presbyterian church in a rural area. It's called Kreavah (spelling?) Reformed Presbyterian Church Old Cemetery. Would that be the name of a town or just the church? The son came to the States in the 1860's and eventually settled in Iowa. Mary Ewing, McComb, OH