Thanks Janet, what do you think the chances are that the same server handles some of the Scottish sites. The Hebrides are working and Borders is working but not Angus or Aberdeen Just a thought. Jim Brennan in Corunna Ont. Can Caiside@aol.com wrote: > One of the servers on rootsweb, which handles the Fermanagh list is down. > Probably your other lists are affected too. > > Janet C-S

One of the servers on rootsweb, which handles the Fermanagh list is down. Probably your other lists are affected too. Janet C-S

I am having the following problem. I am not receiving any e-mail traffic from Irish or Scottish sites since Saturday afternoon Canada time. My attempts to reach those sites to find out what the problem is are not working as I cannot make contact with any of them. I am not having any problems with the England sites so I don't suspect the problem is at my end. Could SKS get in touch with either Down, or Mayo or Antrim and ask them if they are having problems and get back to me. TIA Jim Brennan Corunna Ont Can.

Researching the following: John GOUGH b abt 1790 Co. Monaghan 1st wife unknown wife Jane DIXON b abt 1820 Ireland children Mary b abt 1823 Co. Monaghan Eliza b abt 1827 Co. Monaghan James b 3/17/1829-30 Castleblayney, Co. Monaghan John b 1830-33 Co. Monaghan William b 1840 Co. Monaghan Margaret b 1843 Co. Monaghan Robert b 1848 Co. Monaghan Sarah b 1855 Mercer Co., PA Samuel b 1858 Mercer Co., PA James, Mary and Eliza came from the port of Newry in June 1851 to N.Y. John, Jr., came from the port of Liverpool in April 1851 to N.Y. John, Sr., and family came from the port of Liverpool in January 1852 to N.Y. I know for sure, that Robert, Sarah and Samuel were the children of Jane Dixon.

CHURCH RECORDS The most important source of information for the genealogist is parish records. However, there is much confusion concerning the existence or availability of Irish Church records. The first problem is to identify which records exist for a particular area and the period covered. The parish is an administrative unit, be it ecclesiastical or civil. In general, the Church of Ireland parish boundaries follow those of the civil parish, but in the 18th and 19th centuries new parishes were formed or old parishes were united with others depending on the population of an area, and the religious present in that area. Many of these changes are recorded in Lewis's Topographical Directory (PROPER REFERENCE!!) (1838). Roman catholic parish boundaries are more difficult to define, these have changed over the years and they are often called by names differing from the name of the civil parish in which they may be found. Religions such as the Methodist and Presbyterian do not have parish structures. Some did have their own church areas and these too may have changed in time, such as the circuits of the Methodist church. REGISTERS The information contained in parish registers differs, depending on the person who kept the register. Many registers were simply notebooks and on the death of the person who created the register these were often considered the personal property of that person by their family and kept or destroyed by the family accordingly. Later registers were in a printed format, yet, the registrar may not have filled in all details. For some baptismal registers we find the name of the father and the mother, the mothers maiden name, the townland that they came from, the names of witnesses and where they lived and the fathers occupation. For others, we find simply the names of the people involved in the ceremony, nothing more. Some registers are written neatly, some others are very difficult to read. Marriage registers may contain the names of the parties being married, their fathers names, their ages, their occupations, their townlands and the names of the witnesses. ROMAN CATHOLIC RECORDS There are very few Catholic records which pre-date 1800, a handful were begun in the very late 18th century (1796-98). In general, baptismal and marriage records date from the 1820's-30's, and there are few burial records. Some records are written in English, while others are written in Latin. Roman Catholic parishes often spread through more than one civil parish and so while searching records it is often necessary to read the records of a few parishes. Most Roman Catholic parishes had a parish church and several other churches or chapels in the same parish. Sometimes only one register was kept for the whole parish and then other times each church/chapel had its own register. Quite often, there is no indication of townlands for the persons involved in the ceremony, making it very difficult to identify ancestors. The National Library of Ireland has microfilmed many of the pre-1880 registers for all counties and continues to do so. PRONI in Belfast has microfilm copies for all Roman catholic parishes contained within the six counties of Northern Ireland, it also has copies for most of the parishes in counties Donegal, Cavan and Monaghan and some for counties Louth and Leitrim. The Diocese of Cashel and Emly is the only Catholic Diocese which does not give permission to view its records. CHURCH OF IRELAND RECORDS Until 1871 the Church of Ireland was the state church in Ireland. Disestablishment occurred in 1871 and in 1875 the Parochial Records (Ireland) Act was passed which declared that marriage registers dated pre 1845, and baptismal and burial records pre 1871 were public records and should be deposited in the Public Record Office of Ireland in Dublin. Parishes opposed this Act and there was a further Act passed in 1876 which allowed these records to remain in local custody provided there was provision made for their safe keeping. By 1922, the records of 1,006 Church of Ireland parishes had been deposited in the Public Record Office, 637 parishes kept their records in local custody. All but four of these records which had been with the Public Record Office for safe-keeping were destroyed by fire in the Four Courts in Dublin in 1922. This was a loss to all, not just members of the Church of Ireland, because these registers also contained information on those of other religions. Conditions in Ireland during the time of the Penal Laws 1691-1760, gave the Church of Ireland the exclusive right to administer baptism, marriage and burial ceremonies. A complete list of all parish records which were sent to Dublin can be found in the '28th Report of the Deputy Keeper of Records in Ireland, 1896 and in this is given the period covered by the baptisms, marriages and burials of each parish. Only baptismal, marriage and burial registers were covered by the Parochial Records Act (1875) and it was these types of records which were sent to Dublin, all other records (such as Vestry Minutes) kept by any parish were maintained locally. METHODIST CHURCH RECORDS When John Wesley came to Ireland in the mid 18th century people joined the Wesleyan Methodist Society from all denominations but remained in their own churches. Methodist preachers were not allowed to baptise children (1804) and so Methodists brought their children to the Established Church. There was a split in the Methodist church in 1816 - the Primitive Wesleyan Methodists maintaining a link with the Church of Ireland and the Wesleyan Methodists who allowed their preachers to baptise children. Primitive Wesleyan baptismal registers begin in 1860 and in 1878 the Primitive Wesleyan Methodists and the Wesleyan Methodists united. The Society of Primitive Methodists which began in England in 1812 was also found in Ireland from 1832, and a third branch of Methodism - the Methodist new Connexion also practised here. Methodist churches did not have their own burial grounds and so few burials are registered. Some may have been registered in Church of Ireland registers. Separate baptismal registers do begin in the 1830's and the Methodist Church in Ireland does have a volume of baptismal entries from all over the country, which contains some baptisms from 1815 to 1840. Many Methodist churches in the six counties of Northern Ireland have had their registers and other records copied by PRONI as have those from counties Cavan, Donegal and Monaghan. Methodist registers can vary for a locality depending on the circuit, baptismal registers are usually for a circuit, while churches kept their own marriage registers at least from 1845 onwards, when civil registration of Church of Ireland marriages was introduced. PRESBYTERIAN CHURCH RECORDS The Penal Laws applied to all those who were not members of the Church of Ireland, the state church in Ireland and so, while Presbyterianism was introduced to Ireland in the 17th century, it was illegal for a Presbyterian Minister to perform a baptism or marriage, as it was also for Roman Catholics. Information on Presbyterians is also to be found in Church of Ireland registers for this early period. As with Methodist Churches, Presbyterian churches rarely had their own burial grounds and again there are few burial registers. Many places have more than one Presbyterian church, referred to as 1st, 2nd, 3rd. These were the result of dispute over doctrine, the choice of minister, or simply because the congregation had grown too big and needed new accommodation. Many of the churches known under these titles originally began as seceding congregations - congregations who objected to an Act of Parliament in 1712 which accepted patronage as a method of appointing ministers. Seccession congregations were re-united in 1840 into the Synod of Ulster. Presbyterian records are held by the Presbyterian Historical Society for some of the counties of Northern Ireland and also churches in the Republic, particularly those records for churches which no longer exist. PRONI has copied those for the nine counties of Ulster. RELIGIOUS SOCIETY OF FRIENDS (QUAKERS) This society began in Ulster in the mid-17th century, mainly around Lurgan, Co. Armagh and Lisburn in Co. Antrim. Record keeping was very important, birth, marriage and burial records exist from the 17th century. Documents are maintained by the libraries of the Society of Friends in Antrim and Dublin.

Hi, folks. I have a written town name that I assume is mispelled. As written it looks like CallymcCross .... would this likely be "Carrickmacross"? Or is there somnething closer in Ireland. I know this is the Monaghan list ... all of my other Irish folk are of Monaghan. The record is a US naturalization paper from 1841. Bryan MARTIN born about 1790 had his town of origin listed as "CallymcCross" in Ireland. I don't even have a county referenced. He died 17 March 1865, age 75, in Boston Massachusetts, USA. He was Roman Catholic. Many thanks for any hints. ... and I'll understand the chuckles over the spelling. Al Rose researching: MARTIN, LARKIN, LAFFERTY, CULLEN, McELHENEY, McGOUGH, McCULLOUGH

Dear Bev, I also have ancestors who come from the Mullyash area. The McKees were Scots-Irish Presbyterian linen weavers who emigrated to the Monaghan-Armagh border area in the early 1700's and then to US throughout the early 1800's until there are now only two McKee families left in Co. Monaghan. I visited Monaghan two summers ago and have some photos of Mullyash. If you would like, I will scan them in and send them to you as email attachments. I also bought two very helpful books about the linen weavers: Crawford, W.H. The Handloom Weavers and the Ulster Linen Industry Collins, Brenda Flax to Fabric: the story of Irish linen I recommend them both highly. They are soft cover and not too expensive. The second was put out by the Lisburn Linen Centre Museum, a must see if you ever get to Ireland. I also wrote a 20 odd page story of my McKee's of Mullyash to share with my family. It incorporates quite a bit about the life of a weaver, the history of Mullyash, the local landowner, etc. If you want to send me your snail mail address, I'll send you a copy of the relevant parts. The area is beautiful but quite sad in that the tensions between Protestant and Catholic are very present, straddling as it does the border between Northern Ireland and the Republic. Have you looked at the Tithe Applotment records for Mullyash? There are few pages of description in the Memoirs as well. I'd be happy to share what I have. Joan Beverly F Dorfner wrote: > Anyone have any info on Huguenot linen weavers in area of Castleblayney, > early to mid 1800's. > Have direct ancestor, Hugh CATEN/CATON born Mullyiash Mt. > 1800-1820??, in US Civil war. > Have lots of info for his U.S. life but little on the Ireland years. > bev > ________________________________________________________________ > GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! > Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! > Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: > http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

Posted on: Ireland<br>County Monaghan<br>Obituary-Cemetery & Tombstone Inscriptions Record Board Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/Ireland/MonagahanObits/7 Surname: Crumley ------------------------- I am looking for any Crumley ancestors of John Crumley whose family immigrated to the United States in early 1700's. You may e-mail me at dwarnock@pcnow.net Any response would be GREAT.

Anyone have any info on Huguenot linen weavers in area of Castleblayney, early to mid 1800's. Have direct ancestor, Hugh CATEN/CATON born Mullyiash Mt. 1800-1820??, in US Civil war. Have lots of info for his U.S. life but little on the Ireland years. bev ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj.

--part1_f2.672788c.278e10d9_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From the page I copied of the 1834 tithe appointments for Tullycorbet Parish, Monaghan Co, Ireland: Townlad Carga, names of (land) occupiers: Francis Nicly James Smythton Owen Smythton ( maybe Jun'r) Thomas Smyth Mount James Goe Smyth Patrick Smyth John Goe Smyth James Duffy Hugh Mears Patrick Duffy Francis Duffy Widow Duffy Patrick Mlellin Cornelius Duffy James Smyth Patrick Smyth Owen Smyth Townland Cornanure: John McBurney James McLroy Patrick McCardle Francis Finigan Hugh McNally ------- hopefully, mine John Duffy Robert Lyons James Treaner William Moane Peter Lemon Thomas Moane Mary Moane (maybe widow) Benjamin Finegan Widow Mears Lil'n McMahon John Mears Fid'n Hope this helps somebody. "Maybe" means word was hard to read. Sue Marcus --part1_f2.672788c.278e10d9_boundary Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Return-path: <SMrcus@aol.com> From: SMrcus@aol.com Full-name: SMrcus Message-ID: <80.54e5a2e.278d0d3f@aol.com> Date: Tue, 9 Jan 2001 19:56:31 EST Subject: Tullycorbet Parish Names To: Monaghan-L@rootsweb.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 5.0 for Windows sub 128 >From the page I copied of the 1834 tithe appointments for Tullycorbet Parish, Monaghan Co, Ireland: Townlad Carga, names of (land) occupiers: Francis Nicly James Smythton Owen Smythton ( maybe Jun'r) Thomas Smyth Mount James Goe Smyth Patrick Smyth John Goe Smyth James Duffy Hugh Mears Patrick Duffy Francis Duffy Widow Duffy Patrick Mlellin Cornelius Duffy James Smyth Patrick Smyth Owen Smyth Townland Cornanure: John McBurney James McLroy Patrick McCardle Francis Finigan Hugh McNally ------- hopefully, mine John Duffy Robert Lyons James Treaner William Moane Peter Lemon Thomas Moane Mary Moane (maybe widow) Benjamin Finegan Widow Mears Lil'n McMahon John Mears Fid'n Hope this helps somebody. "Maybe" means word was hard to read. Sue Marcus --part1_f2.672788c.278e10d9_boundary--

There has been extensive research on the name. The last "Swanzy family lived at Avelreagh House, Avelreah townland, in the parish of Clontibret, Co. Monaghan. Search on Henry Biddell Swanzy at the PRONI website.. http://proni.nics.gov.uk/records/USING/using.htm#index under prominent persons.. Main page.... http://proni.nics.gov.uk/ HTH. Ann

Thanks to a cousin's research, the info I have begins with Edward in Castleblaney, County Monaghan, and his wife, Mary (maiden name unknown as are birthdates of either). Edward died by 1855 about when his widow, Mary, emigrated to NY. They had at least two children in Castleblaney:Mary (DOB 1833, Castleblaney - no further info) and Patrick, who emigrated to Herkimer County, NY, about 1841 and married Catherine McTavey. (Catherine was daughter of Edward McTavey and Sarah Root who were in Herkimer County, NY by 1832). Patrick and Catherine had three children: Sarah (DOB 1851 - married Garrett Farrell and buried in Troy, NY), Patrick (DOB 1855 - married Annie Logan, is buried in St. Agnes Cemetery in Utica, NY). Have info re their offspring if anyone is interested, but would love any info or leads re the family in Monaghan, which we presume was Catholic, as they were in the U.S. Also interested in hearing from anyone whose McGoughs might have settled in Herkimer/Utica area of NY. Beth Callanan Washington, DC

One more question for today... Is there a web site where you can get townland maps for County Monaghan ??? Thanks Dick Kiernan

Dick, The townland databases you find on the net are based on the Townland index which was created after the 1851 census. There is also another one based on the 1841 census but I don't know if anyone has used that in any of those I've seen. Now - there is no Swanville in the www.seanruad.com townland database and I think that is the same one as used in the PRONI site. Seán used the 1851 Townland Index. Place names changed from census to census - in various books, wills and things you see reference to somewhere alias/also known as/orse some other name - meaning that it used to be called the other and is now called this. Confusing - but some day someone might just work it all out and list all those other names for every townland in Ireland. I've checked my Townland Index book for anything which may be similar to Swanville in Monaghan and come up with nothing - I'd guess that it was the name of a house - the Swan coming from Swanzy. Ballagh is listed as being in the parish of Drumsnat on the townland index. That's the only Ballagh for county Monaghan. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dick and Mary Kiernan" <rmalcolmk@prodigy.net> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 6:08 PM Subject: Swanville and Ballagh > Another town ??? search... I have Swanzy family references to Swanville and > Ballagh in County Monaghan ??? maybe Cavan or Fermanagh...Time period of > 1750-1800 > Any thoughts ??? > > Is there a web location to search Ireland place names, towns, etc. ???? > Proni has a site for this for Northern Ireland... > > Thanks > Dick Kiernan > > >

This may be misleading, but there is a tiny place called Swan's Cross in Monaghan, sometimes called Swan's Crossroads. My Swann ancestors once lived in the area. Maybe a connection? Anita

Another town ??? search... I have Swanzy family references to Swanville and Ballagh in County Monaghan ??? maybe Cavan or Fermanagh...Time period of 1750-1800 Any thoughts ??? Is there a web location to search Ireland place names, towns, etc. ???? Proni has a site for this for Northern Ireland... Thanks Dick Kiernan

Ref: > #5 McGOUGH/DUFFY ["judyhw" > may turn up - Judy, If you haven't found it already try < www.exis.net/adh/monaghan/ > There are many links to Monaghan and McGeough information. I was very successful with FHL film #0926055 for Magheross/Carrickmacross RC church records. I found my grandmother's (Annie McKENNA) four brothers and one sister. Annie and another sister were on the civil registration. GGrandfather, Michael McKENNA married Margaret McGEOGH/McGEAGH. The film does not appear to list their marriage, about 1882-3, so I still have to find Margaret's home townland, which was possibly the place of marriage and her own family. Maybe your McGough search will turn up the Michael McKenna connection. MaureenH

----- Original Message ----- From: "ROSE E. TURNER" <ROSELV@LV.RMCI.NET> To: <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 07, 2001 12:59 AM Subject: Revd. Dr. THOMAS COOK (E) 1764 NY > In 1764,COOK, Revd. Dr. Thomas, arrived in New York with about 300 > passengers who were members of his congregation. He obtained land in > Washington County, NY Each male drew lots for new land. I look for > ARMSTRONGS, MCCARTERS. They were Scotch Irish from Monaghan, Ireland. The > area where they lived around Salem, Washington County was called Monaghan. > Do you have info: name of ship, church that they left in Ireland? Thanks. > > roselv@lv.rmci.net > -- Do you mean Rev. Dr. Thomas CLARK? Dr. Clark left Ballybay in May 1764 with about 300 other Presbyterians and sailed from Narrow-water, near Newry, to New York. Some went to South Carolina, while Dr. Clark and most others went to Albany County, NY. They acquired land and named the settlement New Perth, but changed the name to Salem. This part of northern Albany County became Washington County. My wife's ancestor, Andrew LYTLE was in this group. Dr. Clark's congregation included several ARMSTRONGS. I do not see MCCARTER on the list, but MCCARTHY is listed. Recommended books: "Full Circle: a Story of Ballybay Presbyterians" by David Nesbitt. Cahans Publications, 1999. I highly recommend this book. It's at the National Genealogical Society's Library in Arlington, Virginal, or can be borrowed by mail by NGS members. "History of the Presbyterian Church in Ireland" by James Seaton Reid, continued by W.D.Killen DD, London 1853, vol. 3. I saw this book at the Family History Library in Salt Lake City. Unfortunately the catalog does not list a film. (They don't loan out books). Hope the above helps. Bill Chamberlain Marilyn Lytle Chamberlain Huntington, Long Island, New York Researching in County Monaghan: Andrew LYTLE and his wife Mary Agnes STEWART

This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FF963D7BC8E2D3A4D6D615C4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------FF963D7BC8E2D3A4D6D615C4 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <3A1975E7.76C74693@ameritech.net> Date: Mon, 20 Nov 2000 13:05:11 -0600 From: Fran Luby <fluby@ameritech.net> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.73 [en]C-AIT (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com" <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Subject: Fitzpatrick/Connolly Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MARRIAGE: Thomas Fitzpatrick, 27, Bachelor, School Teacher, Carn, f. James Fitzpatrick, deceased and Martha Connolly, 23, Spinster, Shopkeeper, Latnamard, Patrick Connolly, laborer. Present: Joseph Fitzpatrick and Anne Jane? Connolly. February28, 1865. BIRTHS Civil Registration James b. January 10, 1866, f.Thomas and m. Martha Connolly, farmer, Carn. Mary b. February20, 1868, same, National School Master Teacher, Carn. MARRIAGE: January 2, 1896 St. _______, Glasgow, Francis Mullen, railway surfaceman, bachleor,25, 260 Castle street, Glasgow, f. James Mullen, farm laborer(deceased), and Elizabeth Mullen, nee McLaffarty and Mary Fitzpatrick, cotton millworker, spinster, 26, 222 Castle street, Glasgow, f. Thomas Fitzpatrick, schoolmaster, and Martha Fitzpatrick,nee Connolly, witness Susan Connolly (her sister), can't read the other name. District of St. Rollox, Co Lanark. John b. July 11, 1872, same. Patrick b . 1873 Susan b. November 3, 1874, same. MARRIAGE: May 16, 1907, St. L______, Glasgow, Patrick Joseph Downie, coalminer, bachelor, 27, Kamesburgh Cottage __ddinngaton, f. Edward Downie, coalminer and Catherine Downie, nee Kinney and Susan Fitzpatrick, spinster 27, 8 Parliamontery Road, Glasgow, Thomas Fitzpatrick, Schoolmaster(retired) and Martha Fitzpatrick, nee Connolly. Witness Martha Connoly, sister. District of St. Rollox in the Burgh of Glasgow. Thomas b. July 24, 1877, same Martha b. January 6, 1880, same. Bridget b.1887 MARRIAGE: SCOTLAND: DEATH: Bridget Anne Hamilton(Widow of John Alexander Hamilton, Builder's Laborer), June 21, 1956, Glasgow, 69 years, parents deceased. M Hamilton, daughter. Griffith's Valuation I have copies of the pages for Latnamard and Carn. In Latnamard, I find the school that Thomas taught at. In Carn, there is Patrick Connolly and James Fitzpatrick, also Hugh Connolly and 3 other Fitzpatrick's, 1901 CENSUS: Thomas Fitzpatrick, Head, RC, r&w, 68, M, national teacher retired?, M, b. Monaghan. Martha Wife, RC, r&w, 50, F, M, b. " Patrick Son, RC, r&w, 28, M, farmers, S, b. " Thomas Son, RC, r&w, 24, M, farmers, S, b. " Bridget

Dear List members, I'm searching for information about my ggg-grandfather, JOHN MONCRIEF, born in County Monaghan in 1810. He married JANE ARMSTRONG & immigrated to Ontario, Canada. I am also looking for information about my gg-grandfather, JOHN JAMES McCULLAGH/McCULLOUGH, born in County Monaghan in 1833. He married MATILDA SCOTT in Shercock, Cavan in 1855 & immigrated to Ontario, Canada. Thank you, Wendy McCullough