On the last tithe applotment list which I gave, I gave the name of Michael McCughey as one of the people. It is possible (In fact probable) that it is Michael McCaghey instead. If ever a name does not look correct to the "natives" on this list, please let me know. Thanks. Between the faint film reading and the handwriting, it is possible to mis- read a name. Regards, Donna Ristenbatt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ der@redrose.net Visit: ON THE TRAIL OF OUR ANCESTORS http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy

This is the third of the tithe applotment lists which I copied from LDS Microfilm #0256597. Donagh Parriah, Diocese of Clogher. I cannot find Drummully on town/township lists. Can someone state where it is/was? Anywhere near Emyvale? The list for: DRUMMULLY William Anketell Esqr. John Collins Samuel Seymour Elizabeth Cox James Perry Owen Lavery Michael McCughey Patt. Trainer Catherine McKenna Patt. McQuade William Rogers Regards, Donna Ristenbatt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ der@redrose.net Visit: ON THE TRAIL OF OUR ANCESTORS http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy

Yesterday I posted the first of tithe applotment lists for the Parish of Donagh, Diocese of Clogher, County Monaghan, as found on LDS microfilm # 0256597. This is the second and is for the "denomination" (I am still waiting for an explanation of that term. :)) of Dernashallog. I have not found Dernashallog on current maps or town/townland lists. Would appreciate knowing where it is and if it got its name changed. The time frame for all of this is in the 1820s. Also, I am always looking for ROGERS and MORRISON, supposedly from Emyvale, so if near Emyvale, would appreciate knowing this as well. Thanks. DERNASHALLOG Thomas Trainor Michael Trainor Isaac Hall John McKenna Widow McKenna John Gray John Morrison Patt. Quinn Michael Trainor James Gray Edward Casey James Raverty or Raverly (I suspect Raverty) William Anketell Esqr. Bernard Gray Regards, Donna Ristenbatt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ der@redrose.net Visit: ON THE TRAIL OF OUR ANCESTORS http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy

Hi Jane, On 13 Feb 2001, at 9:41, Jane Lyons wrote: > I began a series of posts in November concerning education or schools in > Monaghan from 1824 to 1826. The first post was made on November 20th and I > don't know how many posts I made on this subject. The first post gives > some general information on the state of education in the county at that > time, plus I also began listing the schools and teachers in eavch parish. > There is no information on the names of children in these schools - only > the teachers, and such as you see here. What do the various categories stand for? - Example: a), b), c) and d) Thank you. Regards, Donna Ristenbatt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ der@redrose.net Visit: ON THE TRAIL OF OUR ANCESTORS http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy

The following is taken from 'Directory of Irish Archives, 2nd Ed. : Seamus Helferty and Raymond Refausse. Publ. Irish Academic Press1993; Kill Lane, Blackrock, Co. Dublin. ISBN 0-7165-2507-0 ISBN 0-7165-2508-9 pbk I am posting this in order that anyone travelling to Co. Monaghan would know what is held in archives in the county itself. I would not advise people to write to any of these places making enquiries, the people who work in archives generally do not do research and will advise you to seek out a professional genealogist. I think they do generally help people who come to the door by showing them where everything is and getting material for them and giving general advice. Jane Monaghan County Library County Library Headquarters The Diamond Clones County Monaghan Enquiries to County Librarian Opening hours By appointment; facilities : photocopying Major collections Monaghan Grand Jury Presentments, 1811-59. Material relating to Monaghan County Infirmary and to Monaghan and Clones Fever Hospitals, 1850-1939. Records of Carrickmacross, Castleblayney and Clones Poor Law Unions, including minutes and correspondence, 1840-1933; material relating to home assistance and indoor relief, 1909-43. Monaghan Urban and Rural District Councils Minute books, 1899-1968. County Monaghan revised valuation lists, 1902-41. Crossmaglen Rural District Council minute books and general ledger, 1899-1907. Monaghan County Museum The Hill Monaghan Enquiries to Curator Opening hours 11.00-1.00, 2.00-5.00, Tues-Fri; Mon. by appointment; facilities : photocopying Major collections Papers from various estates, mostly in County Monaghan but also in County Louth and County Dublin, 18-20th century. Marron collection of extracts from records relating to County Monaghan in the Public Record Office, London; State Paper Office, Dublin; Marquis of Bath's archives in Longleat House, Wiltshire. Monaghan County Council: minutes, rate books, ledgers, 1899-1959. Miscellaneous records of Monaghan Urban District Council, Clones Petty Sessions, Monaghan County Infirmary, Castleblayney Workhouse, 19th-20th century. Legal papers relating to the Local Authority (Labourers) Act. Small collections of papers of Charles Gavan Duffy (1816-1903) and Senator Thomas Toal, 1911-42. Monaghan Urban District Council Town Hall 1 Dublin Street Monaghan Enquiries to Town Clerk Opening hours By appointment; Major collections Records of Monaghan Corporation, 18th-19th century. Records of Monaghan Urban District Council, 19th-20th century.

There are two ways to search the archives to this list and read posts made by others in the past. Go to www.rootsweb.com Scroll down the page to 'Mailing Lists' 1. Highlight 'Interactive Search' Key in IRL-MONAGHAN-L to box provided, submit search and you can search the archives of this list for the word/s you are interested in by year. The archives for the Monaghan list begin in 1999 Only those messages with those words will appear on your screen. You can use this method to search for posts made by other people so long as you know their email address. 2. Highlight 'Threaded Archives Search' Key in IRL-MONAGHAN and submit query. Using this method you can read every post which was made to the Monaghan list since August 1999, by month.

I began a series of posts in November concerning education or schools in Monaghan from 1824 to 1826. The first post was made on November 20th and I don't know how many posts I made on this subject. The first post gives some general information on the state of education in the county at that time, plus I also began listing the schools and teachers in eavch parish. There is no information on the names of children in these schools - only the teachers, and such as you see here. Please check the Monaghan list archives for any previous posts made on this subject if you are interested. Jane PARISH OF EMATRIS Ematris (a): Alexr. McCormick (Prot.), (b): about £12 (c ): Prot. 18 (20), R.C. 17 (14), (d): a very good house. £150. Assisted by the Kildare Place Society. Rev. Mr. Annesley, the rector, gives £2 per ann., and Lord Cremorne gives £5 per ann. and grass for a cow and firing. The parish school. Drummulla (a ): Patrick Coogan (R.C.), (b): about £12, (c ): Prot. 11 (19), Pres. 5, R.C. 5 (5), (d): a thatched house, mud walls Rockcorrv (a): J. McCormick (R.C.), (b): about £12, ©: Prot.. 22 (20), Pres. R.C. 22 (22), (d): a cabin. £7. Corragore (a): Patk. McPhillips, (b): about £12, (c ): Prot. 14 (84), Others 34, R.C. 2 (31), (d): a cabin. £5. Assisted by the London Hibernian Society Drumruhill (a): Jas. Shannon (Prot.), (b): about £19, (c ) : Prot. (64), Others 67, R.C. 4 (3), (d) : a cabin. £5. Kilmore (a) Jas. Calvert (Prot.), (b) about £12, (c) Prot. 2@@ (106), Pres. 20, R.C. 5 (19), (d) a cabin. £5. Assisted by the London Hibernian Society. Edergole (a) Owen McCabe (R.C.), (b) £8-£10, (c) Prot. 10 (10), R.C. 40 (40), (d) a chapel. Rakeeragh (a) John O'Neill (R.C.), (b) not stated, (c) Prot. 8 (7), R.C. 35 (38), (d) a cabin. £3-10-0. Cortubber (a) George Moore (Prot.), (b) about £9, (c) Prot. 47 (47), R.C. 3 (3), (d) a Methodist meeting house. £6. Drummany (a) Francis McPhillips (Prot.), (b) about £12, (c) Prot. 30 (16), R.C. 35 (36), (d) a cabin. PARISH OF ERRIGALL Errigh (a) Wm. McFee (Prot.), (b) about £10, (c) Prot. 10 (12), Pres. 5, R.C. 5 (18), (d) built with stone and lime, roof slated. £30. Rev. Benjamin Hobart, the vicar, gives £2 per ann., and the parish £4 per ann. Killianly (a) Patrick Kelly (R.C.), (b) not stated, (c) Pres. 4 (4), R.C. 44 (48), (d) a poor farm house. Killianly (a) Peter McKenna (R.C.), (b) fee 1/8 to 4/2 per qr. each pupil, ( 1 shilling and 8 pence to 4 shillings and 2 pence) (c) Prot. 4 (2), Pres. 3 (4), R.C. 33 (34), (d) a room in his own house. Glassmulla (a) John Hackett (R.C.), (b) fee 1/8 to 3/4 per qr. each pupil, ( 1 shilling & 8 pence to three shillings and four pence) (c) Prot. 7 (6), R.C. 54 (44), (d) a room in his father's house. Drumbristan (a) Ml. McCarron (R.C.), (b) fee 1/8 to 4/2 per qr. each pupil, (c) Prot. 2 (2), R.C. 55 (55), (d) a poor thatched house. Drumbristan (a) Jas. Skinnader (R.C.), (b) fee 1/3 to 1/8 per qr. each pupil, (c) R.C. 63 (41), (d) a thatched house, 14' x 10'. Aghmacalin (a) Owen McCarron (R.C.), (b) fee 1/8 to 5/- per qr. each pupil, (c) R.C. 59 (59), (d) a mere hovel. Fymore (a) Owen McGivney (R.C.), (b) fee 1/8 to 11/41/2 per qr. each pupil, (c) Prot. 14 (14), Pres. 4 (4), R.C. 34 (34), (d) a thatched house, 21'x 12'. Mullyoden (a) John Sterritt (R.C.), (b) fee 1/8 to 4/2 per qr. each pupil, (c) Prot. 11, R.C. 14 (16), (d) a slated house, built by the R.C. congregation. £20. Drumtosk (a) Ml. Donnelly (R.C.), (b) fee 1/8 to 4/2 per qr. each pupil, (c) Pres. 4, R.C. 36, (d) a small house rented by the master. PARISH OF INNISKEEN Inniskeen (a) Patrick McKenna (R.C.), (b) £20-£25, (c) Prot. 5 (5), R.C. 47 (47), (d) a very good house, stone walls, slated roof, two stories. £200. Parish school house; very convenient. built partly by subscription and partly by aid from the Lord Lieutenant's Fund. Cornagarvey (a) Henry McCabe (R.C.), (b) £5-13-9, (c) R.C. 20 (20), (d) a barn. Drumnagrilla (a) Sarah Blackwell (R.C.), (b) £2-10-0, (c) Prot. (8), R.C. (6), (d) a cabin. PARISH OF KILLANY Ballymackney (a) G. Straton (Prot.), P. Byrne (R.C.). Straton, the licensed schoolmaster, acts by his deputy, P. Byrne, to induce the R.C. children to attend the school, they having left it when held by Straton. Straton receives £2-5-6 ( two pounds five shillings and sixc pence) per ann. from the Rev. Sir H. Lees, the rector; and the parish gives him £2-5-6 per ann. for keepinq the school house in repair. (b) £2-5-6 - £20, (c) Prot. 5 (5), R.C. 45 (45), (d) a thatched house, earthen floor. £10. Shanra (a) Joseph Murray (R.C.), (b) about £10, (c) Prot. 3 (3), R.C. 37 (37), (d) indifferent thatched house, earthen floor. £5. Ballyregan (a) Peter William (R.C.), (b) about £10, (c) R.C. 30 (30), (d) thatched house, rented by master at 30/- per ann. Corcreagh (a) Patk. McGeough (R.C.), (b) about £15, (c) R.C. 50, (d) the R.C. chapel. Essexford (a) Rev. T. O'Flaherty (Prot.), (b) not stated, (c) Prot. 11 (11), Pres. 1 (1), R.C. 3 (3), (d) a room in the glebe house. Leege (a) Mary Farmer (R.C.), (b) not stated, (c) R.C. 8, (d) a small cabin.

Hi- my g grandmother was Elizabeth Mae McKENNA. She was dtr of James McKENNA, b.ca.1833-(of the 'Brianies' line) and Bridget McKENNA, b.ca.1835-(of the 'Ross' line) of Co Monaghan. James was a shoemaker and had 4 bros and i sister. James' mother was Mary McMEEL, sister of Ellen McMEEL who m. Patrick McKENNA, my g grandmothers younger brother. Anyone know of this line of McKENNA's? Thanks for the data here so far and i read the Archives as well, but have seen nothing yet on these McKENNA's..... Happy Trails, Joan in MT Also, visit my 4 personal home pages on spirituality and genealogy: http://www.geocities.com/crystalwoman_2000/ crystalwoman@in-tch.com

I would like to thank all those people who responded to my computer crash mail. I've been away for the last week and while many had responded in one way or another before I left, I know that I could sit here for a long time saying thank you to all those who have mailed me since then. I have commented to someone in the past on the fact that one of her lists is a much more friendly list than another - and that it is amusing (for want of a better word) to me because I would always consider the people from that particular county to be much more friendly than those from the other. To find similar characteristics in the descendants of people from the various Irish counties is interesting to say the least :-) I am subbed to many lists and when I make a post I know the ones from which there will be a response. So - thank you for all your help. Elaine sent me the following, and I have to admit my computer does or did hold so much - information re genealogy and names of people who I have come to know over the years, some I have met and others I will never meet. Dear Lord: Every single evening As I'm lying here in bed This tiny little prayer Keeps running through my head. God bless my mom and dad, And other family. Keep them warm and safe from harm For they're so close to me. And God, there is one more thing I wish that you could do. Hope you don't mind me asking, Bless my computer too. Now I know that it's not normal To bless a mother board, But listen just a second While I explain to you 'My Lord'. You see, that little metal box Holds more than odds & ends Inside those small compartments Rest so many of my FRIENDS. I know so much about them By the kindness that they give And this little scrap of metal Takes me in to where they live. By faith is how I know them Much the same as you We share in what life brings us And from that our friendship grew. Please, take an extra minute From your duties up above To bless those in my address book That's filled with so much love! Wherever else this prayer may reach To each and every friend, Bless each email inbox And the person who hits send. When you update your heavenly list On your own CD-Rom Remember each who've said this prayer Sent up to God.com. Amen.

Can anyone tell me if Aughnamullen, is the same place as Mullen. Mullen is written on my gr.gr.grandfather's certificate. The name of his wife's townland is to faint for me to read. Hopefully, Therese, in Queensland, Australia.

Hi all, This past week, I had opportunity to look at LDS microfilm #0256597, which has the tithe applotment records for Parish Donagh, Diocese- Clogher, at the very end of the film. I was particularly looking for ROGERS and MORRISON in Emyvale, but only found them in other "denominations" - heading of the column which contains towns and people. Have no idea why they call it that. Since I printed out the lists that contain my surnames, I thought I would put those on the list, in case this helps anyone else in their search. I will post these as I have time. (I'm sorry but don't have the time currently to search for other names on this film.) OK, here's the list for DERRYHEE. Catherine Elliott William Woods William Elliott Joseph Greer Bernard Quinn Isaiah Breaky Mathew Hall Antony Morrison David Morrison William Morrison Robert Hall John McCarron James Treanor John McKenna David & Wm. Morrison A few others will follow as I have time. Regards, Donna Ristenbatt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ der@redrose.net Visit: ON THE TRAIL OF OUR ANCESTORS http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy

The correct link is http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcav/cavmona.gif Allen Temple Beagan http://members.tripod.com/~Al_Beagan/start.htm researching Beagan and McCabe in Cavan Beagan and Trainor in Monaghan Chevallier and Knight in Jersey Beagan, Knight, Brace, Chancey in NFLD Beagan, Power and Trainor in PEI

Hi all, I uploaded tonight a map showing most if not all of the townlands of Ematris and Aughnamullen in Monaghan and Annah, Drung, Laragh, Kill, Drumgoon and Killbride in Cavan. This is a continuous map, in other words the parishes are shown without boundaries. Easy to see why someone in one parish actually may have their bap in recorded in another parish. It is a 1300 kb file and took 13 min at 38,000 bps to up load so your download will be even longer than that in most cases. rhttp://www.rootsweb.com/~irlcav/cavmona.gif Allen Temple Beagan http://members.tripod.com/~Al_Beagan/start.htm researching Beagan and McCabe in Cavan Beagan and Trainor in Monaghan Chevallier and Knight in Jersey Beagan, Knight, Brace, Chancey in NFLD Beagan, Power and Trainor in PEI

Hi all, I was finally able to look at a real Tithe Applotment List, thanks to the LDS filming these records. I was looking at the one for Donagh Parish, Diocese of Clogher, County Monaghan. The film is very faint in spots, so I have a few questions. There are five categories, or headings across the top of the record. I can read the first one, "Denominations," but would like help reading the other four columns. (I saw on the film that each area's tithe applotment was handled differently, as well.) Question one. Is the first column "Acreable??? rate?" Second column: "Area of each farm??" Third column: Yearly -?- tithe. Fourth column: "Yearly "-?-" tithe. Additionally, why is the first column labelled "Denominations?" Under this column, various places are listed with people's names. So I am not sure why this is entitled "denominations." Finally, I found ROGERS and MORRISON in the following places, and none are on the map I have. (Michelin's) Can someone tell me if any of these places are near Emyvale? I did find 3 of these places in the Index of Towns and Townlands..... etc. but are the other two old names for places? These are: 1)Derryhee; 2) Dernashallog; 3) Drummally; 4) Knocknagrave; 5) Tonnycoogan. Also, if I understand the Tithe Applotment correctly, not every citizen is covered under these records, is that correct? I will also mention that I am looking at the Householder's Index to see how many ROGERS and MORRISONs are mentioned in each of the baronies of County Monaghan. These names seem to occur in the Baronies of Trough, Monaghan, Dartree, Cremorne and Farney.(Griffiths and Tithe Applotment) Thank you. Regards, Donna Ristenbatt ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ der@redrose.net Visit: ON THE TRAIL OF OUR ANCESTORS http://www.ristenbatt.com/genealogy ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Ships' Lists, PA and Mennonite Research Corner, Dutch Research Corner, Cemetery Lists, Rev. War Loyalists, Finding a Civil War Ancestor, Many Surnames and More!

Elaine you are coming in loud and clear in Corunna Ont. Can. 8.35 am Friday Feb 9/01 Jim Brennan in Corunna Ont. Can Elaine wrote: > Is this list working? I haven't received anything on it in days.

Hi, Must be still working as I got your message. Jerrian

Is this list working? I haven't received anything on it in days.

Good evening, everyone. I am desperately trying to find my gg and ggg-grandfathers with no luck as of yet and I'm running out of direction. I'm not very familiar with how to research in Ireland (Monaghan likely) and could use some pointers. My gg-grandfather, Anthony WRIGHT (may have been born Andrew) was born in Monaghan (town not known specifically) in 1822 or 1823 to George WRIGHT and Mary (Mary Ann) Madill (also seen spelled McDill). I cannot find any info on the LDS web site for anything on George and Mary nor Anthony. Anthony married Ann MADILL (cousin perhaps) in 1842 or 1843. At some point, they moved to Lanark, Scotland. Ann later died of stomach cancer and Anthony remarried in 1861. Ann's parents were Matthew MADILL (farmer) and Mary DEVLIN. George was listed as a (small) farmer. This isn't as easy as researching in Scotland. I know most census info no longer exists. How can I track down Anthony based on this info? Is anyone on these lists researching any of the above persons? I've been researching my ancestors for several years now and have run to an absolute dead end on my own direct Wrights!! I have info on the rest of my ancestors back to the 1500's, but my own direct family ends in Ireland in 1823 with no answers. Any recommendations on how I can pursue this further and find my ancestors? Sorry to sound desperate, but this is frustrating not knowing! Thanks so very much for any assistance! Take care. Kind regards, Gregor J. Wright Pennsylvania, USA

Colleagues, I am trying to trace a Thomas R. Windrum who is reputed to have left Monaghan 1846-49 for New York, bought a wagon and team of horses in New York, and moved to Shokan , NY. I have read about every ship list I have been able to, have only census data here showing he married Jane Gray (1810-1887), who probably was also emigrated from Ireland. There seems to be no record of his naturalization as a US citizen. Can anyone in these chat groups give me some guidance? Thanks Ralph Wyndrum Jr.

Tullycollive is just down the road from here !!! who are you researching PAula -----Original Message----- From: Ann Harney <aharney@exis.net> To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com <IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com> Date: 04 February 2001 04:32 Subject: Tullycolllive . . . >Both are east of Castleblayney across Muckno Lake and on / near the Armagh >border. They are South of Mullyash which is North and east of Castleblayney. > >If you go to maps.expedia.com and select find a map.... >Select a place in Europe >Enter Castleblayney, Monaghan, Ireland >Voila.....you will see Muckno Lough and just to the right the border. This >is the area. > >HTH.... >Aann > >______________________________