I am interested in finding two families who were in the Feragh area of Monaghan in the early 1800's. A Robert BURNS married an Elenor HENDERSON. They had two known children, Elenor and William. The emigrated to Cavan township Ontario c 1830. William married a Sarah AL(L)ISTER of Cahans parish in 1856. Pat Smyth

Many thanks. Very complete answer. For those planning on sending for records, the Punt is the Irish Pound, their unit of currency, and it's value now is: 1 Irish Punt = 2.28098 US Dollar 1 USD = .84876 Irish Punt (IEP) You can also check the value of the Euro! This is today.. To check at other times go to: http://www.oanda.com/converter/classic I always err on the up side! Thanks, Ann

John James (or James John) Slowey (b. 1841) and Elizabeth Davidson (b. 22 June 1842/1847) are a set of my ggrandparents. Family history says that they were Irish, however their 1st two children were born in Glasgow. They were Elizabeth, b. 17 Feb 1866, and James, b. about 1868. The family emigrated to North America in 1869/1870. They are not found on the passenger lists of East Coast ports, so perhaps they entered N. America through Canada, although I've not found them there either. They are found in the city directory of Allegheny City (now North Pittsburgh) in 1870. Three more children were born there, Eleanor, Catharine, and Mary Josephine (my grandmother) In 1876 they moved to Pine Bluff, Arkansas. They are found there in the 1880 census. Perhaps somekind and knowledgeable person could advise me on another subject. I have found promising entries for both Jphn James and Elizabeth in the Index to Griffith's Valuation. The index gives Name, County, Parish, and Location. I also have references from the LDS FHC film library to filmstrips of the Griffith's Valuation for various Electoral Divisions. So now the question is: How do I match County, Parish, and Location with the correct Electoral District? Or is it that simple? What is Location. A geographical entity, I believe. An ecclesiastical parish, barony, or what? And what is an Electoral Division? All advice and suggestions gratefully received. Frank Gebhart

I recently successfully received death certs from Dublin. I sent a letter with all of the information that I had (if you can, in addition to a time period, name of parents if possible) and sent the fee in a US check. I sent more money than needed and they sent a refund check under separate cover in US dollars. Enclosed was a letter stating the fees in Irish punts: Certificates (BDM)   5.50 Punts --extra copies 4 punts Photocopy of an entry in register  3.00 Punts Photocopy of an entry when Index reference is supplied   1.50 Punts Short birth certificate  3.50 Punts Authentication of a certificate  1.50 Punts Postage  UK and Ireland  .50 pence              Other countries  1.Punt I did not need the actual certificate and got the photocopy of the entry. All the information on the certificate is on the entry. For deaths it will be name, age, town, person who attended death (usually a relative which is a good clue). You only need to authenticate the certificate if that is needed for your research or documentation. I did not have an Index Reference but I did have the date of death or the burial date and the town. They just need some way to narrow down the event because the indexes are large handwritten books. It took about 4 weeks for the photocopies to arrive and another two weeks for the refund. I was in the Registers Office in Dublin in October and they really hustle to help customers. The real thrill is to be there and do the lookups yourself. Good luck, Pat   

I have not contacted the North Eastern Health Board but did contact the General Register Office, Lombard Street Dublin 2 who deal with postal queries for searches on births, deaths and marriages and provide certificates for a small fee. Maire

How do you send "small fees" to Dublin from the US? Maire Bound wrote: > I have not contacted the North Eastern Health Board but did contact the > General Register Office, Lombard Street Dublin 2 who deal with postal > queries for searches on births, deaths and marriages and provide > certificates for a small fee. > Maire

http://www.postoffice.ie/AboutPO/counties.asp?county=Monaghan A visit to a post office might help in finding townlands or existing families for visitors to Co. Monaghan. A caveat - many places close for lunch! HTH, Ann

Has anyone on this list requested any of the above from the Northeast Health Board in Rooskey, Co. Monaghan? I am looking for the cost of searches / documents. Thanks, Ann

Thanks to everybody who answered......the majority are saying my mysterious place is Clossagh Beg, Rockcorry... Again, thanks to everyone for their assistance. Ralph Clouse, Sacramento

Ralph, I could not figure out "Glasaghbeg" but I would think "Rockearry" is actually Rockcorry which is in Ematris Parish, Co. Monaghan. Dannah McCauley X-Message: #2 Date: Tue, 27 Feb 2001 21:02:55 EST From: RClouse2@aol.com To: IRL-MONAGHAN-L@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <35.114c6e73.27cdb64f@aol.com> Subject: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a very fuzzy death notice and can't quite make out the place. It looks like the death occurred (1879) in "Glasaghbeg, Rockearry." Can someone help decipher this place name for me, please? Thank you. Ralph Clouse, Sacramento

Al, Regarding your MARTIN surname in Carrickmacross. Maybe I already wote you about this, or it may have been another Martin researcher of the Carrickmacross area. There were, and still are, many MARTINS around Carrickmacross. Some of the star football players in the Donaghmoyne/Carrickmacross league were Martins. I have a Gaelic Football history of that parish in which there are Martins mentioned, and some of the book's sponsors are Martins. Book was locally published in 1986 I think. More than likely there are descendants of your Bryan Martin still in the area. Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. tray@jps.net TRAYNOR'S Web Page (Irish stuff) http://members.nbci.com/pattraynor/

RClouse2@aol.com wrote........ >I have a very fuzzy death notice and can't quite make out the place. >It looks like the death occurred (1879) in "Glasaghbeg, Rockearry." >Can someone help decipher this place name for me, please? >Thank you. >Ralph Clouse, Sacramento Hi, neighbor...... (I'm in Grass Valley) Probably the town of ROCKCORRY. Only townlands beginning with GLAS that I found are; GLASDRUMMOND, GLASLECK, GLASLOUGH, and GLASMULLAGH. GLAS might mean "grey" or "green" and BEG means "small". AGHA, I believe, means "a field". Rockcorry is between Ballybay and Cootehill, on road R188. You might want to look at the parishes in that area and see if a parish map (available at the LDS centers) would show a townland similar to GLASAGHBEG. The parishes near Rockcorry might be one of these; Drumully, Aghabog, Ematris, or Aughnamullen West.Someone on this list probably knows which one contains the Rockcorry area. Glasaghbeg may be an old placename no longer used. SeanRuad has a list of those. www.seanruad.com/ See Irish Placenames at; www.irishplacenames.com/ Patrick Traynor, in California's gold-rush country. tray@jps.net TRAYNOR'S Web Page (Irish stuff) http://members.nbci.com/pattraynor/

Hi Debbie, On 28 Feb 2001, at 14:23, DEBORAH ANNANDALE wrote: > Hi everyone, > I have come across the word "Inmate" on census records and also on a death > certificate. On the death certificate, the informant who had the same > surname as the deceased person wote the word inmate below their name. I was > was hoping someone could tell me what relationship if any that person may > have had. Could it simply mean friend or something else? Here in the USA, an inmate usually means someone who is living with the main family. You see this term here on early tax records from the 1700s. Considering that we were under English control at that point, the terms are probably similar. Usually the implication is that the person is an older person, but I have seen that to not always be the case - it can be a younger person.

Hello all, I've had 'snail-mail' from a fellow BURNS researcher in Australia. Peter BURNS married Mary GORMAN in Co. Monaghan before 1835. Can anyone help her by suggesting possible parishes of origin for these surnames - perhaps from the Tithe Applotments? Thanks Margaret Co. Durham, England

Microfilm of the above is available in Dublin and Belfast. The Mormon Church FHL has this microfilm available also. #256562 Applotment books, abt. 1824-1840 Ireland. Land Commission This is the starting number of 140 rolls of microfilm broken down by parish only..... The search page for the FHL is at: http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp HTH...... Ann

It was noted an incorrect post was made re the above..... Irish Naming Patterns for Children: The 1st son was usually named after the father's father The 2nd son was usually named after the mother's father The 3rd son was usually named after the father The 4th son was usually named after the father's eldest brother The 5th son was usually named after the mother's eldest brother The 1st daughter was usually named after the mother's mother The 2nd daughter was usually named after the father's mother The 3rd daughter was usually named after the mother The 4th daughter was usually named after the mother's eldest sister The 5th daughter was usually named after the father's eldest sister Cheers, Ann

Hi everyone, I have come across the word "Inmate" on census records and also on a death certificate. On the death certificate, the informant who had the same surname as the deceased person wote the word inmate below their name. I was was hoping someone could tell me what relationship if any that person may have had. Could it simply mean friend or something else? Many thanks, Debbie

Bob and Loree. I cannot help but think there is something here beyond the MARTIN surname. I have what I am sure is a far from complete genealogy of the descendants of Edward Martin of County Monaghan. I estimate his birth at about 1770 but some notations make it as early as 1750. Edward had at least 8 children, 5 male & 3 female. One daughter, Bridget, apparently had married in Ireland and did not come to the USA but a married daughter of hers did. All seven other children of Edward came to Boston starting with his emmigration about 1824 ... apparently not all at the same time. Some of his sons were already married and brought their families to Boston as well. I am going through this recently located 1916 journal/notebook of my great grandmother who was of Pawtucket. The MARTIN descendancy she provideds is reasonably straightforward but there are other families outlined that I cannot figure out the linkage. Locations mentioned include Counties Antrim, Louth, Tyrone & Monaghan in Ireland and MA, NY, CA, RI, CT in USA. Also a peripheral line from Nova Scotia. The surnames in the notebook include: FLANERY, GANAGHAN, GARGAN, GARLAND, LAFFERTY, LARKIN, LINES, LONG, MANNING, MARTIN, McCLEY, McCULLOUGH, McDERMOTT, McELHENEY, McGANN, McGRATH, McKENNA, McMAHON, MURRAY, PUTNAM, SMITH, TURNER. Here is what I've pieced together but much more is unlinked ( especially GARLAND & GARGIN lines): Descendants of Edward Martin 1 Edward MARTIN Born: Bet. 1750 to 1770 native of Parish of Killary, Co Monahan Ireland Emigration: 1824 Died: 15 Feb 1837 Boston area of MA Burial: Bunker Hill cemetery (was grave later moved?) .. +??? MCCULLOUGH or was her maiden name GARGAN or GARLAND? Father: ??? Died: did she come to USA ??? . 2 Bridget MARTIN Born: Ireland Died: Ireland ..... 3 Mary MARTIN Died: of Chelsea, MA ......... +??? LINES . 2 Margaret MARTIN Died: Lowell, MA ..... +??? LONG . 2 Mary MARTIN Died: of NYC ..... +??? MCCLEY . 2 Michael MARTIN who did he marry? Died: 1840 ..... 3 Catherine MARTIN Died: Charleston, MA ......... +Terrence MCELHENEY ......... 4 Mary MCELHENEY ......... 4 William MCELHENEY . 2 Bryan MARTIN Born: 15 May 1799 Carrickmacross, County Monaghan, Ireland Emigration: 3 Jun 1826 Port of Boston Died: 17 Mar 1865 Charleston, MA Burial: Bunker Hill cemetery ..... +Catherine MCMAHON ..... 3 Elizabeth MARTIN Born: Abt. 1813 County Monaghan, Ireland Died: 2 Jul 1873 Boston, MA Burial: Calvary cem in Dorchester ......... +William Coleman TURNER ......... 4 William Coleman TURNER Born: Abt. 1846 Died: 23 Apr 1895 Chelsea, MA ..... 3 Dennis MARTIN Born: Abt. 1823 Ireland Died: 30 Aug 1898 Pawtucket, RI, USA Burial: 1898 Old St Mary's in Pawtucket ......... +Agnes D. LAFFERTY Born: 1822 Glasgow, Scotland Emigration: Bef. 1854 Scotland? Father: Danell Lafferty Mother: Agnes Unknown Died: 1907 Pawtucket, RI, USA Burial: 1907 Old St Mary's in Pawtucket ......... 4 Catherine E. MARTIN Born: 12 Dec 1854 Pawtucket, RI, USA Died: 4 Aug 1928 Pawtucket, RI, USA Burial: #1232 Mount Saint Mary ............. +James W. LARKIN Born: 27 Apr 1847 Pawtucket, RI, USA Married: 5 Sep 1876 St Mary's Church, Pawtucket, RI Father: Thomas H. Larkin Mother: Ellen McGough Died: 2 Feb 1907 Pawtucket, RI, USA Burial: #1232 Mount Saint Mary Military service: 1876 COLONEL, RI Militia ............. 5 Agnes G. LARKIN Born: 16 Oct 1877 Pawtucket, RI Died: 12 Sep 1947 Pawtucket, RI Burial: #1232 Mount Saint Mary ............. 5 Ellen B. "Nellie" LARKIN Born: 29 Dec 1881 Pawtucket, RI Died: 17 Jul 1953 Pawtucket, RI Burial: #1232 Mount Saint Mary ............. 5 Thomas Martin LARKIN Born: 16 Jul 1884 Pawtucket, RI, USA Died: 20 Jan 1947 Pawtucket, RI Burial: Mount St Mary's, Pawt., RI; plot#434. ................. +Helen Florence GEORGE Born: 24 Mar 1892 Somerstown, County London, England Emigration: Abt. 1908 England>Toronto, Canadathence NYC Married: 1915 New York City, NY, USA Father: William George Mother: Alice Wintermeyer Died: 30 Mar 1980 South Kingston, RI Burial: 2 Apr 1980 Mount St Mary's, Pawt., RI; plot#434, sec 5, ......... 4 Mary Ann MARTIN Born: 12 Dec 1854 Pawtucket, RI, USA Died: 24 Nov 1856 Pawtucket, RI, USA ......... 4 Dennis B. MARTIN Born: 22 Apr 1858 Pawtucket, RI, USA Died: 30 Apr 1913 Possibly New Haven, CT ............. +Genevieve "Jane" WHELPLEY Born: Unknown Died: Unknown ............. 5 Louis MARTIN ............. 5 Genevieve MARTIN Died: 1 Aug 1916 ................. +??? SMITH ............. 5 Alice MARTIN ............. 5 John MARTIN Born: 1880 Pawtucket, RI Died: 4 Aug 1920 Pawtucket, RI Burial: Old St Mary's ............. 5 Frances MARTIN ......... 4 Agnes T. MARTIN Born: Unknown Died: Unknown ............. +Robert MURRAY Born: Unknown Married: 1 Jul 1879 Died: Unknown ............. 5 Katherine "Katy" MURRAY Born: Aft. 1879 Died: Unknown ............. 5 Lawrence MURRAY Born: Aft. 1879 ......... 4 Thomas E. MARTIN Born: 1861 Pawtucket, RI Died: 1911 Pawtucket, RI Burial: Old St Mary's in Pawtucket ..... 3 Thomas MARTIN Born: Abt. 1830 MA Died: 30 Mar 1905 Cambridge, MA Burial: 1 Apr 1905 Old Cambridge City Cemetery ..... 3 James MARTIN Born: Abt. 1831 Died: 14 Mar 1904 Chelsea, MA ......... +Bridget UNKNOWN Born: Abt. 1842 Married: 14 Feb 1868 MA Died: 28 Mar 1903 Chelsea, MA ......... 4 Catherine Agges MARTIN Born: 12 Mar 1869 MA Died: 1875 ............. +Terrance MCELENEY ......... 4 Mary Elsebeth MARTIN Born: 5 Aug 1870 MA Died: 1 Oct 1876 MA ......... 4 Ellken Frances MARTIN Born: 15 Jan 1876 MA Died: 3 Jul 1891 MA ......... 4 James Thomas MARTIN Born: 15 Feb 1877 MA ..... 3 Edward MARTIN of California in 1865 . 2 Patrick MARTIN Born: Abt. 1802 Died: 21 May 1840 Charleston, MA (did Patrick leave descendants??? possible son given) ..... 3 Edward MARTIN Born: Abt. 1835 Died: 5 Mar 1909 Charleston, MA . 2 Thomas MARTIN Born: Abt. 1805 County Monaghan, Ireland Died: 1835 Charleston, MA . 2 James MARTIN Born: Abt. 1810 Killanny, County Monaghan, Ireland Died: 12 Aug 1872 Barre, MA ..... +Mary MCDERMOTT Born: Abt. 1818 Ireland Married: 26 Apr 1843 Worcester, MA Mother: Mary McMahon Died: 26 Dec 1896 Athol, MA ..... 3 Edward F. MARTIN Born: 28 Jan 1844 Barre, MA Died: 6 Sep 1903 Athol, MA Burial: St John's RC Cemetery, Worecster, MA Military service: Civil War POW Andersonville occupation: Catholic Priest ..... 3 Martha A. MARTIN Born: Feb 1850 Barre, MA Died: 10 Sep 1916 Sommerville, MA Burial: St John's in Worcester, NE corner of cemetery

I have a very fuzzy death notice and can't quite make out the place. It looks like the death occurred (1879) in "Glasaghbeg, Rockearry." Can someone help decipher this place name for me, please? Thank you. Ralph Clouse, Sacramento

Too many Duffy's to guess! Civil registration began in 1864. but your date is a guess. Both Duffy and Burns families lived in the parishes of Aghnamullen, Clontibret, and Magheross. You might guess at the gparents names by the naming paternsl. First son after father's father First daughter after father's mother Second son after mother's father Second daughter after mother's mother. Best to cover all bases in the place of death; death certificates and obits in early days often covered much detail. HTH..... Ann