Would appreciate any information on the above names/places with particular regard to the explanation below. I apologise for the long windedness of it, but feel it is necessary in view of circumstances. Thanks in advance John Whiting - Essex During a holiday in June 2006 we visited Monaghan and went to Tydavnet village and Church. We knew that the Trainor family originally came from this area but without knowing exactly where. It was not a particularly successful visit as we were informed by many people we spoke to that Trainor was a common name around there and that to get much further we would need to know the ‘nickname’ of the particular Trainor family we were interested in. Not knowing that information stopped us in our tracks a bit and apart from visiting the Church and attached graveyard we could not see a lot more that we could do. It was also unfortunate that at the time of the visit we were informed by a very helpful lady in the tourist offices that a particularly knowledgeable person, who I think was called Theo McMahon, was currently unwell. We decided that we would not trouble this gentleman at this time. We accordingly took some photos around the graveyard with one or two interesting results. To delve back a little, my wife’s grandfather was a James Trainor, born in Ireland about 1870 (according to his marriage and death certificates) and whose father was an Edward Trainor. It is thought that James had two brothers and two sisters who lived on a ‘ farm’ (but which was probably what we would call a smallholding) but that this farm could not support the whole family, so James went off to seek his future in England where he married a Mary Moan in 1899. James and Mary had numerous children but the two of most interest (genealogically) were the first born, Mary, in 1902 and the seventh born, Thomas, in 1915. It is known that both these children returned to Monaghan on various occasions to the area of their father’s birth near Tydavnet. The specific location is again not known and the following text serves only to indicate that wherever it was, it must have been in the family for some time. With reference to Mary it is known that she went to the USA and the Ellis Island records her as disembarking from the vessel ‘Adriatic’ in the company of a Margaret Trainor on the 4th of November, 1922, arriving from County Monaghan via Liverpool. Mary was 19 years old and Margaret was aged 20. Both girls were 'consigned' to an Aunt, Miss M. Brannigan, who had also paid for their 2nd class cabins. The girls must have been cousins. Miss Brannigan was residing at 219 West 81st Street, New York, NY. It is believed that she (Mary) was subsequently married in USA and had one son. Thomas was obviously much younger than Mary, but it is known that travelled back to Monaghan on regular occasions and for relatively long periods. Long enough in fact to meet and marry a ‘local’ girl, Ann McCaffery (spelling could be different), and they went off to England and brought up their family there. Two particular qualities are remembered by his family, firstly that Tommy was quite a boy for the girls, and secondly that he could run as fast as the rabbits he chased across the farm. Returning to Tydavnet Church graveyard, several graves are attributed to ‘ Trainors’ and, funnily enough, some ‘Moans’. One particular grave has a headstone dedicated to Ellen Trainor who died in August 1941, and Elizabeth Trainor who died in July 1943. No ages are given, but it must be possible that these are two sisters to James (and his two brothers). The headstone also gives the information that it was erected by Edward Trainor of Drumshavera. This information throws up a couple of points of interest. Firstly, although it is unlikely that Edward was the father of James it is possible that he was James’ elder brother. Secondly, and most annoyingly, is our total inability to locate any townland or parish called Drumshavera. Subsequent to sighting this particular headstone we attended at the Registrars office in Monaghan. Despite a very helpful lady who really put herself out to help us we could not locate death certificates for Ellen and Elizabeth. We also pushed our luck to find out if a marriage certificate could be located where a Thomas Trainor married an Ann McCaffery in the area, but again without success. A bit dispirited, we accepted defeat and went back to Dublin for the airport and home. I have since tended to concentrate on other family lines, but now hope for a breakthrough on this family. Thanks for taking the time to read this, Best Regards (mailto:[email protected])

Hi All, I'm helping someone with their McCabe and Connolly family from the Scotstown area, any information would be much appreciated. Michael McCabe married Anne Connolly sometime I would guess around first half of the 1870s as they had children born in Drumsheaver (Tydavnet Parish) Mary 1875, Anne 1878, Margaret 1879, Michael 1881 and Rose 1884, then must have moved to Derrylea (Clones Parish) as they had more children, James 1888, Elizabeth 1890 and another, Michael Joseph, in 1892 (the other Michael possibly died young). The Connolly family is thought to have been in the Smithborough area and Anne Connolly had four sisters who married into Quigley, Sheridan, Boyle and Corrigan families. I think the Church at Urbleshanny may have been the local RC Church as there is a Patrick McCabe of Drumsheaver who married there, funnily enough he also married an Anne Connolly (from Killatten). Not sure if or how Patrick is related to Michael. Michael McCabe did have a brother Patrick. He also had a brother James who went to New York and a sister, Rose. Does anyone know anything about any of the places mentioned or any other Churches that may be worth checking out? That or any other information would be great! Thanks in advance. Claire McConville www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk

Dear List, I am new! I have tried to send a message before but not sure if it got through to the list. Looking for information on the above families, especially my grandmother Bridget Murphy aged 24 according to the 1901 census. She married a William Woods. Bridget born in Co Monaghan. Can anyone direct me to where I can find further information? Best Wishes Julie Perry (Woods)

Hi Jim, I am interested in your Keenan research in Monaghan. I have a gggrandmother, Bridget Keenan who married Michael Martin from Tiragarvan, Monaghan. They had a son Peter in 1841. I have no other information about her, but hoping you might see a connection with your Keenans. Thanks. Anita Roberts Hi, Susan, I paid for some research in Monaghan (Keenan and McAleer) about 10 years ago, and the information I got seemed very well researched and written and was right on with respect to the request I made. I think I paid USD 50 or 70 for a three-page report that I was very satisfied with for the money. The organization, at that time, was named Monaghan Ancestry 6 Tully Monaghan Co. Monaghan Ireland You'll find numerous references to them if you GOOGLE that name. It's just a coincidence I'm sure that the researcher that wrote the report is a gentleman named Theo McMahon! :) Best of luck to you! Jim Cassidy -----Original Message----- From: Susan Knox [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Michael McMahon and Cath O'Brien I need help to find out more about the above ancestors who would have married about 1820. Their daughter Sarah Ann McMahon abt 1820 was born in Donaghmoyne Monaghan. Michael McMahon has been described as an herbalist. Does anyone have info about Donaghmoyne RC churches and their records about 1820? Sarah Ann marr. Thomas Toner from Dublin and the majority of their children were bap. as RC there. In the hope there are descendants of their children I list the foll: Sarah born 1840 Monaghan, married James Sheridan in Dublin Margaret married Peter Sheridan Dublin Frances Dublin married Bernard Farrelly in Dublin Mary Jane born Dublin married Richard Fox in Dublin William 40 yrs born Dublin married Margaret Rogers Elizabeth born Dublin married Daniel McCloy in Dublin Some moved to Glasgow and then Liverpool where many descendants live today. Any help would be appreciated Susan Knox ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to all the people who sent addresses and information regarding the B and B's. Now we must plan our trip. Again thank you. Geraldine

A photo of St. Salvator's Church at Glaslough has been added to the web. This photo of Church of Ireland was kindly sent to me by Richard Kiernan. See: http://www.flickr.com/photos/monaghan_ireland/2212974500/in/set-72157602848726912/ Brian --------------------------------- Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail

Hello all, We are arriving in Ireland on January 30, 08 for three weeks and we wonder if anyone knows of any B and B's that are comfortable and reasonably priced. We will be in Cavan, Monaghan, Tyrone, Fermanagh and Offaly. Thank you for your help. Geraldine

Hello Geri I'm sure you will receive many, many places to stay. And I love them all having been to Ireland many times. Here are two in the areas you are going. I love both of them. Corrigans Shore House – Enniskillen The Harbour Masters House, Offlay Nancy Geri Crawshaw <[email protected]> wrote: Hello all, We are arriving in Ireland on January 30, 08 for three weeks and we wonder if anyone knows of any B and B's that are comfortable and reasonably priced. We will be in Cavan, Monaghan, Tyrone, Fermanagh and Offaly. Thank you for your help. Geraldine ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

Dear all: A photo of the Presbyterian Church at Broomfield, built 1841/42, which fell into disuse in 1950s and is now a small cafe and exhibition hall can be seen at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/monaghan_ireland/2199193855/in/set-72157602851831013/ Thanks very much to list member Roisin Lafferty for sending me this photo so that all could view. It may be that some list members have relations who attended this church and it will be of interest to them Other photos of churches in County Monaghan, Roman Catholic, Church of Ireland, Presbyterian, and Methodist can also be seen at: North Monaghan Churches: http://www.flickr.com/photos/monaghan_ireland/sets/72157602848726912/ South Monaghan Churches: http://www.flickr.com/photos/monaghan_ireland/sets/72157602851831013/ If other list members have photos of churches that they don't mind sharing, I would be pleased to post them to the site, just send them along to me. As well viewable are: Pictures around County Monaghan: http://www.flickr.com/photos/monaghan_ireland/sets/72157602851830603/ Postcards from County Monaghan: http://www.flickr.com/photos/monaghan_ireland/sets/72157602848729948/ Best wishes, Brian McConnell List Administrator Ireland - Monaghan Rootsweb List --------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!

Susan, the Donaghmoyne RC register is listed later than 1841 BUT Priest's notebooks were found starting about 1841/42 which list the names of those married/and some baptisms. If you could get hold of someone in the area they might go to the church and look at the list. To the best of my knowledge these lists were found after the Church registers were filmed. However, there are several McMahons in the area and might be a bit difficult to locate. did you try sending a query to the Newspapers? Best of luck Roisin

Susan, I echo the comments regarding Theo McMahon. Theo runs his business out of his home. I visited with him several years ago, and he was extremely knowledgeable regarding Co. Monaghan ancestral research. He has a treasure cove of research material in his office/home, and will give quick responses to any query you might make. Rob -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Judy White Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 7:18 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] FW: Michael McMahon and Cath O'Brien -----Original Message----- From: Judy White [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:45 PM To: Susan Knox Subject: RE: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Michael McMahon and Cath O'Brien Hello Susan, Theo McMahon is the person who runs Monaghan Ancestry. If anyone can help you, he can. I met with him briefly this past summer when I was in County Monaghan. He probably has more genealogical records for County Monaghan than anyone else. Good Luck. Judy White -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Susan Knox Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Michael McMahon and Cath O'Brien I need help to find out more about the above ancestors who would have married about 1820. Their daughter Sarah Ann McMahon abt 1820 was born in Donaghmoyne Monaghan. Michael McMahon has been described as an herbalist. Does anyone have info about Donaghmoyne RC churches and their records about 1820? Sarah Ann marr. Thomas Toner from Dublin and the majority of their children were bap. as RC there. In the hope there are descendants of their children I list the foll: Sarah born 1840 Monaghan, married James Sheridan in Dublin Margaret married Peter Sheridan Dublin Frances Dublin married Bernard Farrelly in Dublin Mary Jane born Dublin married Richard Fox in Dublin William 40 yrs born Dublin married Margaret Rogers Elizabeth born Dublin married Daniel McCloy in Dublin Some moved to Glasgow and then Liverpool where many descendants live today. Any help would be appreciated Susan Knox ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

All We just returned from the marriae of a distance cousin in Castleblaynie outside Monaghan city and learned that Theo who runs the Monaghan Ancestry Research at Tully 6 is still in charge and doing well. He helped us some years ago too. Ralph Dr. Ralph W. Wyndrum Jr. LFIEEE CEO, Executive Engineering Consultants President, IEEE-USA Innovation Institute, Washington, DC 2006 President, Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers- USA Ph.:1-732-219-0005 Fax -0006 Mobile: 1-732-809-3811 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim C" <[email protected]> To: "Susan Knox" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 7:11 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Michael McMahon and Cath O'Brien > Hi, Susan, > > I paid for some research in Monaghan (Keenan and McAleer) about 10 years > ago, and the information I got seemed very well researched and written and > was right on with respect to the request I made. I think I paid USD 50 or > 70 for a three-page report that I was very satisfied with for the money. > > The organization, at that time, was named > > Monaghan Ancestry > 6 Tully Monaghan Co. > Monaghan Ireland > > You'll find numerous references to them if you GOOGLE that name. It's > just > a coincidence I'm sure that the researcher that wrote the report is a > gentleman named Theo McMahon! :) > > > Best of luck to you! > > Jim Cassidy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Susan Knox [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:48 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Michael McMahon and Cath O'Brien > > I need help to find out more about the above ancestors who would have > married about 1820. Their daughter Sarah Ann McMahon abt 1820 was born in > Donaghmoyne Monaghan. Michael McMahon has been described as an herbalist. > Does anyone have info about Donaghmoyne RC churches and their records > about > 1820? > > Sarah Ann marr. Thomas Toner from Dublin and the majority of their > children > were bap. as RC there. > In the hope there are descendants of their children I list the foll: > Sarah born 1840 Monaghan, married James Sheridan in Dublin > > Margaret married Peter Sheridan Dublin > > Frances Dublin married Bernard Farrelly in Dublin > > Mary Jane born Dublin married Richard Fox in Dublin > > William 40 yrs born Dublin married Margaret Rogers > > Elizabeth born Dublin married Daniel McCloy in Dublin > > > > Some moved to Glasgow and then Liverpool where many descendants live > today. > > > > Any help would be appreciated > > Susan Knox > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

-----Original Message----- From: Judy White [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 5:45 PM To: Susan Knox Subject: RE: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Michael McMahon and Cath O'Brien Hello Susan, Theo McMahon is the person who runs Monaghan Ancestry. If anyone can help you, he can. I met with him briefly this past summer when I was in County Monaghan. He probably has more genealogical records for County Monaghan than anyone else. Good Luck. Judy White -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Susan Knox Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 9:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Michael McMahon and Cath O'Brien I need help to find out more about the above ancestors who would have married about 1820. Their daughter Sarah Ann McMahon abt 1820 was born in Donaghmoyne Monaghan. Michael McMahon has been described as an herbalist. Does anyone have info about Donaghmoyne RC churches and their records about 1820? Sarah Ann marr. Thomas Toner from Dublin and the majority of their children were bap. as RC there. In the hope there are descendants of their children I list the foll: Sarah born 1840 Monaghan, married James Sheridan in Dublin Margaret married Peter Sheridan Dublin Frances Dublin married Bernard Farrelly in Dublin Mary Jane born Dublin married Richard Fox in Dublin William 40 yrs born Dublin married Margaret Rogers Elizabeth born Dublin married Daniel McCloy in Dublin Some moved to Glasgow and then Liverpool where many descendants live today. Any help would be appreciated Susan Knox ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Susan, I paid for some research in Monaghan (Keenan and McAleer) about 10 years ago, and the information I got seemed very well researched and written and was right on with respect to the request I made. I think I paid USD 50 or 70 for a three-page report that I was very satisfied with for the money. The organization, at that time, was named Monaghan Ancestry 6 Tully Monaghan Co. Monaghan Ireland You'll find numerous references to them if you GOOGLE that name. It's just a coincidence I'm sure that the researcher that wrote the report is a gentleman named Theo McMahon! :) Best of luck to you! Jim Cassidy -----Original Message----- From: Susan Knox [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 11:48 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Michael McMahon and Cath O'Brien I need help to find out more about the above ancestors who would have married about 1820. Their daughter Sarah Ann McMahon abt 1820 was born in Donaghmoyne Monaghan. Michael McMahon has been described as an herbalist. Does anyone have info about Donaghmoyne RC churches and their records about 1820? Sarah Ann marr. Thomas Toner from Dublin and the majority of their children were bap. as RC there. In the hope there are descendants of their children I list the foll: Sarah born 1840 Monaghan, married James Sheridan in Dublin Margaret married Peter Sheridan Dublin Frances Dublin married Bernard Farrelly in Dublin Mary Jane born Dublin married Richard Fox in Dublin William 40 yrs born Dublin married Margaret Rogers Elizabeth born Dublin married Daniel McCloy in Dublin Some moved to Glasgow and then Liverpool where many descendants live today. Any help would be appreciated Susan Knox

I need help to find out more about the above ancestors who would have married about 1820. Their daughter Sarah Ann McMahon abt 1820 was born in Donaghmoyne Monaghan. Michael McMahon has been described as an herbalist. Does anyone have info about Donaghmoyne RC churches and their records about 1820? Sarah Ann marr. Thomas Toner from Dublin and the majority of their children were bap. as RC there. In the hope there are descendants of their children I list the foll: Sarah born 1840 Monaghan, married James Sheridan in Dublin Margaret married Peter Sheridan Dublin Frances Dublin married Bernard Farrelly in Dublin Mary Jane born Dublin married Richard Fox in Dublin William 40 yrs born Dublin married Margaret Rogers Elizabeth born Dublin married Daniel McCloy in Dublin Some moved to Glasgow and then Liverpool where many descendants live today. Any help would be appreciated Susan Knox

Hi Rob, Oh that is great!! I will do the same! Take Care, Liz "\"Ronnie\" & Rob Welch" <[email protected]> wrote: v\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} o\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} w\:* {behavior:url(#default#VML);} .shape {behavior:url(#default#VML);} st1\:*{behavior:url(#default#ieooui) } Liz, Absolutely. I will also keep your email address on file, and will forward anything I develop on the McGinnis family in Co. Monaghan to you. Rob --------------------------------- From: Elizabeth Dow [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:53 PM To: Ronnie & Rob Welch; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] [IRL-MONAGHAN McGinnis Hi Rob and Ronnie, Thank you for responding. If I find anything out about Mary McGinnis, would you like me to let you know? I have not seen the name anywhere, which is why I was so happy to see your post. I find your information very valuable. Thank you! Good luck with your Welch search. Kindest Regards to you too. Happy New Year! Liz --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Liz, Absolutely. I will also keep your email address on file, and will forward anything I develop on the McGinnis family in Co. Monaghan to you. Rob _____ From: Elizabeth Dow [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 1:53 PM To: Ronnie & Rob Welch; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] [IRL-MONAGHAN McGinnis Hi Rob and Ronnie, Thank you for responding. If I find anything out about Mary McGinnis, would you like me to let you know? I have not seen the name anywhere, which is why I was so happy to see your post. I find your information very valuable. Thank you! Good luck with your Welch search. Kindest Regards to you too. Happy New Year! Liz

Hi Rob and Ronnie, Thank you for responding. If I find anything out about Mary McGinnis, would you like me to let you know? I have not seen the name anywhere, which is why I was so happy to see your post. I find your information very valuable. Thank you! Good luck with your Welch search. Kindest Regards to you too. Happy New Year! Liz "\"Ronnie\" & Rob Welch" <[email protected]> wrote: Elizabeth, Thank you so much for your response. All the information that I have on Nancy McGinnis boils down to: 1. Daughter of a Mr. McGinnis & Jane Robb. a. info from family tradition. 2. Born 8 Feb 1803, Ireland. a. cemetery records state born in "Birrif", Ulster, Ireland. b. family tradition states born in Omagh, Co. Tyrone. i. unknown if referring to town or parish of Omagh. c. The 1850 US Census lists her age as 34 (b. c1816), b. Ireland. i. Husband Robert listed as age 38 in this census. d. The 1855 NY Census lists her age as 53 (b. c1803), b. Ireland. 3. Married 1830-1840, unknown location. a. family tradition states married in 1830. b. 3 known children born between 8 Jun 1840 & 8 Nov 1844, so I question the year of the marriage. i. All three children reported to have been born in NY in all US/NY census records. ii. The 1855 NY Census states the family lived in Mt. Morris, Livingston Co., NY for 13 years. So, if all 3 children were born in NY, 2 of the 3 children must have been born somewhere else in NY. iii. The 1865 & 1875 NY Census has the 1st child, Mary, as being born in Ireland, not NY. As her husband was born in Ireland, this may be an assumption or mistake made by the census taker. c. married Robert S. Welch/Welsh/Walsh, b. 10 Nov 1810, Ireland. i. family tradition has Robert as being born in Co. Monaghan. 4. Died 14 Apr 1864, Mt. Morris, Livingston Co., NY, USA a. Info from cemetery records & Episcopal Church records. i. Unknown how long she had been a member of this church, or even if she was a member. So, I really don't have that much on Nancy McGinnis, and nothing to tie her in with your McGinnis family in Carrickmacross. There also appears to be a couple of generations between my Nancy McGinnis, and your Mary McGinnis. I do not know whether Robert moved up to Co. Tyrone, and married Nancy there, or whether the McGinnis family moved down to Co. Monaghan, and she & Robert met, and married there. I should note again that I suspect my Welch/Welsh/Walsh family to come from Clones Parish. A quick estimate puts the town of Clones about 50 miles from Carrickmacross. Thank you again, Elizabeth, for responding. Kindest regards, Rob _____ From: Elizabeth Dow [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 7:14 AM To: Ronnie & Rob Welch; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN McGinnis Hi Rob, I could not help noticing the name McGinnis in your subject line. I have a Mary McGinnis from Carrickmacross, Monaghan that married Francis Ward in Carrickmacross. I have found Francis Ward on the GV living in Raferagh, Carrickmacross, Monaghan, Ireland. They had 6 children and they all lived in Raferagh, Carrickmacross, Monaghan, Ireland. The children were born between the years 1865-1877. I was hoping you might know more about the McGinnis family. I do not have any information about the McGinnis or the Ward family past Francis and Mary. Thank you very much, Liz Yarmouth Maine (Sorry to send this to you two times Rob, I forgot to reply to everyone.) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

Elizabeth, Thank you so much for your response. All the information that I have on Nancy McGinnis boils down to: 1. Daughter of a Mr. McGinnis & Jane Robb. a. info from family tradition. 2. Born 8 Feb 1803, Ireland. a. cemetery records state born in "Birrif", Ulster, Ireland. b. family tradition states born in Omagh, Co. Tyrone. i. unknown if referring to town or parish of Omagh. c. The 1850 US Census lists her age as 34 (b. c1816), b. Ireland. i. Husband Robert listed as age 38 in this census. d. The 1855 NY Census lists her age as 53 (b. c1803), b. Ireland. 3. Married 1830-1840, unknown location. a. family tradition states married in 1830. b. 3 known children born between 8 Jun 1840 & 8 Nov 1844, so I question the year of the marriage. i. All three children reported to have been born in NY in all US/NY census records. ii. The 1855 NY Census states the family lived in Mt. Morris, Livingston Co., NY for 13 years. So, if all 3 children were born in NY, 2 of the 3 children must have been born somewhere else in NY. iii. The 1865 & 1875 NY Census has the 1st child, Mary, as being born in Ireland, not NY. As her husband was born in Ireland, this may be an assumption or mistake made by the census taker. c. married Robert S. Welch/Welsh/Walsh, b. 10 Nov 1810, Ireland. i. family tradition has Robert as being born in Co. Monaghan. 4. Died 14 Apr 1864, Mt. Morris, Livingston Co., NY, USA a. Info from cemetery records & Episcopal Church records. i. Unknown how long she had been a member of this church, or even if she was a member. So, I really don't have that much on Nancy McGinnis, and nothing to tie her in with your McGinnis family in Carrickmacross. There also appears to be a couple of generations between my Nancy McGinnis, and your Mary McGinnis. I do not know whether Robert moved up to Co. Tyrone, and married Nancy there, or whether the McGinnis family moved down to Co. Monaghan, and she & Robert met, and married there. I should note again that I suspect my Welch/Welsh/Walsh family to come from Clones Parish. A quick estimate puts the town of Clones about 50 miles from Carrickmacross. Thank you again, Elizabeth, for responding. Kindest regards, Rob _____ From: Elizabeth Dow [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2008 7:14 AM To: Ronnie & Rob Welch; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN McGinnis Hi Rob, I could not help noticing the name McGinnis in your subject line. I have a Mary McGinnis from Carrickmacross, Monaghan that married Francis Ward in Carrickmacross. I have found Francis Ward on the GV living in Raferagh, Carrickmacross, Monaghan, Ireland. They had 6 children and they all lived in Raferagh, Carrickmacross, Monaghan, Ireland. The children were born between the years 1865-1877. I was hoping you might know more about the McGinnis family. I do not have any information about the McGinnis or the Ward family past Francis and Mary. Thank you very much, Liz Yarmouth Maine (Sorry to send this to you two times Rob, I forgot to reply to everyone.)

Hi Grace, Thank you very much!! I will definitely contact them!! I am so excited! Regards, Liz (Sorry to send this to you twice Grace, I forgot to reply to everyone again.) grace moloney <[email protected]> wrote: Dear Elizabeth, Try contacting Corduff/Raferagh heritage group - http://www.clogherhistory.ie/Corduff-Raferagh-Heritage-Group. Bernie Ruth or Mary Kerley might know this family. Regards, Grace Moloney Clogher Historical Society/Cumann Seanchais Chlochair St Macartan's College Mullaghmurphy Monaghan 047 71984 [email protected] www.clogherhistory.ie --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.