Ok...one more lol During the time many of us are looking for our ancestors in Ireland new ideas were coming to light. One of those was the Methodist religion. John Wesley traveled all over Ireland, England and America. He wrote in his journal and mentioned names of people. If you are interested, as I was, because he mentions my ggg grandfather James Copeland and preaching and staying in his home.....I thought perhaps some of you might be interested in this. Again...I found it by chance....just remembered it...and thought I should share it. You can read it page for page.....Here is the site.... _http://www.ccel.org/ccel/wesley/journal.html_ (http://www.ccel.org/ccel/wesley/journal.html) Sue in NY **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Lastly...here are sites about history. This site is the history of Brooklyn: _http://www.thirteen.org/brooklyn/history/history3.html_ (http://www.thirteen.org/brooklyn/history/history3.html) This site is "The Irish in New York City": _http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com/_ (http://www.irishinnyc.freeservers.com/) And this site is the New York Public Libraries online collection of Pictures of NYCity thru history. There are 1000's of pictures of buildings, people. etc. dating back. _http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/searchresultsK.cfm?keyword=New+York+City_ (http://digital.nypl.org/mmpco/searchresultsK.cfm?keyword=New+York+City) Again...I hope some of you find these sites helpful or at least interesting. Good Luck! Sue in NY **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Here are some Connecticut sites I posted to someone on another "list" for any of you interested in Connecticut. I am not as familiar with searching Connecticut BUT since it borders upstate NY to the east and sits across the Long Island Sound from Long Island....many immigrants did settle there. I looked to see if there were any interesting sites....here are some that might help. I think you may need to register at some and/or even may have to subscribe. The "Godfrey Memorial Library" I have been told is a great and extensive site. I intended to subscribe but never got to it lol. It is not expensive in comparison to other sites and I hear they have records dating very far back. For 1 year it costs $35.00 (US). _http://www.godfrey.org/_ (http://www.godfrey.org/) These sites may be helpful...if not for searching then at least for being able perhaps to give you the info on where to look. I have not used them so I am not sure exactly what they contain...but they look very promising... Connecticut Library: _http://www.csginc.org/_ (http://www.csginc.org/) _http://www.cslib.org/handg.htm_ (http://www.cslib.org/handg.htm) Maps: _http://www.town-usa.com/connecticut/ctmaps.html_ (http://www.town-usa.com/connecticut/ctmaps.html) _http://atlas.mapquest.com/atlas/?region=connecti&icid=rbox_states.M_ (http://atlas.mapquest.com/atlas/?region=connecti&icid=rbox_states.M) Vital Records: _http://www.ct.gov/dph/cwp/view.asp?a=3132&q=388130&dphNav=|46940_ (http://www.ct.gov/dph/cwp/view.asp?a=3132&q=388130&dphNav=|46940) | _http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/howto/w2w/connect.htm_ (http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/howto/w2w/connect.htm) I hope some of these may help. Sorry I couldn't do better for you. Good Luck... Sue in NY **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Hi All Ever since I posted the Massachusetts and NYC sites I have recieved emails thanking me for them. And because of this I realised that unfortunately I get so wrapped up in my own searching I forget that there are possibly "other" sites unknown to some of you that may help, especially if you are looking in the New York City area. Oh ....and yes...they are FREE sites. Many immigrants came thru NYC. Some traveled on to other states, some stayed a few years then moved on, and some continued to live there and raise their families. I guess I tend to forget just how important NYC, and searching there is to many of you. My direct relatives came and stayed....eventually migrating to Brooklyn, and then further out on to Long Island. So in my searching I have found some incredibly helpful sites. And since so many of you have shared so much with me I can only hope this can be a small "pay back" for some. Here are some sites I have found very useful...... First.....a very good site is the newspaper site for the "Brooklyn Eagle", 1841-1902. Brooklyn was over the river from Manhattan, and many immigrants lived there. Whether you are looking for news, marraige, deaths ,etc ......it is a very good site. _http://eagle.brooklynpubliclibrary.org/Archive/skins/BE/navigator.asp?skin=BE &BP=OK&AW=1206200851343_ (http://eagle.brooklynpubliclibrary.org/Archive/skins/BE/navigator.asp?skin=BE&BP=OK&AW=1206200851343) In ref to Brooklyn here are sites for Enumeration districts, maps, directories, cemeteries , etc. There are also NYC refs on some of these sites. _http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Ward/index.html_ (http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Ward/index.html) _http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Directory/index.html_ (http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Directory/index.html) _http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Map/Maps.Main.html_ (http://www.bklyn-genealogy-info.com/Map/Maps.Main.html) If you are looking for a vital record in NYC, it isn't a search site but if you want to send for a record ...here is the site: _http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/home.shtml_ (http://www.nyc.gov/html/records/html/vitalrecords/home.shtml) A great cemetery site is the "Greenwood Cemetery" site. The cemetery was established in 1838, and it is located in Brooklyn. Many NYers from NYCity were buried there and it is a very large cemetery. Luckily it has a search engine. This is how I found my g grandfather. He lived in Manhattan and was buried there, which was very common. Just remember....which I learned from experience....just because it is a cemetery doesn't mean names weren't ALSO mis-spelled on the gravestones. When a mistake was made it was too expensive to correct it, and many immigrants couldn't afford it so the mistake was left. So also search for "mis-spellings"... _http://www.green-wood.com/bur_search.asp_ (http://www.green-wood.com/bur_search.asp) And lastly .....I have given this site before....it is on the BYU site (Bringham Young University). It is the Harold B. Lee library site...I am posting the search site for "Family History Archives". This site searches collections of b ooks, articles, and many collections of works written about different family names. By searching your name every "book" written that they have, with your surname in it, will come up. And you can read page by page...or just 1 page of the actual book. For instance the "Armstrong Chronicles" are on it and the "Montgomery Manuscripts", just to name 2 books I have researched.... _http://www.lib.byu.edu/fhc/_ (http://www.lib.byu.edu/fhc/) I hope that some of these sites are helpful to some of you. And if I come across others that I think may be useful I will post them . Good luck in your searches....and Happy hunting! Sue in NY **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Dear List members, I am writing to inquire if anyone can asssist me in obtaining a long form birth certificate from Ireland. Several months ago, I posted an inquiry about my maternal grandmother, Susan Trainor, to this list. Several list members, including Claire and Jim, were very helpful and I was able to obtain the information I needed to request my grandmother's birth certificate. I sent my application (with payment) to the Roscommon address in January, but I have never had a reply (or acknowledgement). Consequently, I faxed the same request earlier this month (again with payment), but I have heard nothing. Would it be possible to enlist someone who is in Ireland to make the request on my behalf? I can furnish all of the relevant information (and payment). Thanks in advance for any assistance that can be provided. Best wishes, David Clayton Chicago, IL --------------------------------- Looking for last minute shopping deals? Find them fast with Yahoo! Search.

To All of you! On this special day, that brings to us the meanings of faith, new beginnings, loved ones, and re-newed growth, I wish you the Happiest Easter ever! I hope that your baskets are full of, not only the sweets you enjoy, but of the love of family and friends, and most of all laughter. I hope that on this day you find ALL those hidden eggs even those placed in the hardest to find places. And just like those "hard to find eggs", I hope in the days to come you find those "hard to find relatives" hidden too in those "hard to find" places! Since our most common bond is that of researching our "family names" .....I wish for you....that when your name is spoken it isn't remembered so much for "where" or which part of the world it came from, how much fame, wealth or hardships and trials it had to face, how difficult or tedious it's search has been, or even it's meaning. Instead I wish that most of all your "name" is remembered with smiles, with friendship and love, and with very special memories......because of the sole reason that it belongs to "YOU". "A Very Happy Easter" Sue from New York ! **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Owen and Bridget McGuinness (nee McCudden) arrived in Australia in 1859. Bridget came from the townland of Lattycrum and it is presumed that Owen came from the parish of Latton. Possibly the townland was Annascue. Owen lists his parents as Bernard and Rose McGuinness (nee Bannigan) and Bridget's parents as Bernard and Rose (nee Carraher)Seeking any information on either family please regards Bev from Western Australia -- Bev McGuinness, Cinnamon Coloureds Farmstay, RMB 1017 DENMARK WA 6333 Tel: +61 8 9848 1781 Fax: +61 8 9848 1231 Web: http://www.denmarkwa.com.au/cc/

In ref to the Massachusetts site I posted ...there is also this info on one of it's pages.... Massachusetts Archives 1699-1799 Index to passenger Manifests 1848-1891 Index to vital records 1841-1910 And here is the link: _http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcsrch/SearchWelcome.html_ (http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcsrch/SearchWelcome.html) Good Luck All! Sue in NY **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

Hi All I have been helping someone with searching in the state of Massachusetts recently....and during this time I located a search site where you can find birth/death/marraige for relatives living in the state of Massachsetts. Since Boston was a large immigration Port and many Irish came thru there ...I realised that there may be some of you interested in this site. It covers the years 1841-1915. It is the Archives site and you can obtain copies of documents thru them. Here is their page.....at bottom is search button. Good Luck and I hope it helps someone. _http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcsrch/VitalRecordsSearchContents.html_ (http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcsrch/VitalRecordsSearchContents.html) An important note...if you have the mans name and find it....by entering just year, and town (info from man's) you will get maiden name of wife! I know many prob already knew that lol....just think of it as another "light bulb" moment for me! LOL Sue in NY **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001)

_http://www.nysun.com/article/72816_ (http://www.nysun.com/article/72816) Abroad in New York By FRANCIS MORRONE March 13, 2008 In the 1963 study of immigrant succession in New York City, "Beyond the Melting Pot," Nathan Glazer and Daniel Moynihan wrote that "New York used to be an Irish city." Irish had lived in New York from its earliest days. But not until the famine migrations, beginning in the late 1840s, did New York become "an Irish city." By 1855, nearly one-third of all New York City residents were Irish-born. William Tweed (of Scottish Protestant descent), "boss" of the Tammany Hall Democratic machine in the 1860s, and formerly an anti-Catholic nativist, rose to power by recognizing the political strength latent among the new Irish. To win them over, he placed Irish in key positions in the Tammany hierarchy. When Tweed's corrupt tenure abruptly ended in 1872, Honest John Kelly, an Irish Catholic immigrant, was poised to take the Tammany reins. For several decades, the Irish dominated New York politics — and for several decades the stereotypical New Yorker spoke with a brogue. By 1855, nearly one-third of all New York City residents were Irish-born. William Tweed (of Scottish Protestant descent), "boss" of the Tammany Hall Democratic machine in the 1860s, and formerly an anti-Catholic nativist, rose to power by recognizing the political strength latent among the new Irish. To win them over, he placed Irish in key positions in the Tammany hierarchy. When Tweed's corrupt tenure abruptly ended in 1872, Honest John Kelly, an Irish Catholic immigrant, was poised to take the Tammany reins. For several decades, the Irish dominated New York politics — and for several decades the stereotypical New Yorker spoke with a brogue. That it's hard to pick a spot in New York where some tangible sense of Irish history may be had is a measure of how thoroughly the Irish assimilated into the American mainstream. Yet Irishness imbues much of New York life. After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, who was not struck by how many of the fallen firefighters and police had Irish surnames? It seemed as though the names might not have been much different in 1901. And New York has not, to this day, had a Catholic archbishop not of Irish descent. The approach of St. Patrick's Day makes one ponder the remarkable role of the Irish in the building of New York City. A brief stroll through New York's Irish history might begin in front of one of the city's grandest edifices, the old Police Headquarters building on Centre Street, between Broome and Grand streets. This Hoppin & Koen building opened in 1909, when Irish utterly dominated the police force. The subsistence farmers of Ireland arrived in New York with apparently no urban skills. Irishmen therefore took heavy-lifting jobs, such as dock, warehouse, and construction work. But their seemingly alien skills — for oral storytelling (the "gift of gab"), or clandestine organizing (a necessity amid repressive British rule) — suited the Irish for success in organizational life, and they succeeded wildly in politics, in the church, in the police and fire departments, and in the public school system. The glorious, great-domed building on Centre Street was a monument to a force just a bit more than 60 years old, and one dominated for half that time by the Irish. (The department moved to the new One Police Plaza in the 1970s, and the old headquarters is now apartments.)" **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Hi all, Since I posted yesterday about the St Patricks Day Parade I realised there is also something I don't know if many others out of the US know. And I thought some of you may find it very interesting.Many Irish ancestors after they came here to US and especially in NYC tended to join the fire and police forces. At one time I believe most police officers had "Irish" names. And in some ways in the city fire depts it is still a tradition that runs thru families. In fact if you look at the names of the firefighters that died on 9/11 you will see many Irish names. It became traditions in families for sons to follow fathers into the Depts. So there are families where a son followed his father , who had followed his father. And so it is a large reason why the city fire dept is a very tight knit group. Strong family tradition. This was true of the police dept way back. In fact a relative of mine a "Moroney" was a NYC police officer. This I believe is even more why as you watch the NYC St Patricks Day parade besides seeing "green" it is very "blue". Why? The large number of uniforms lol. Of course there are many who are definitely NOT Irish....but as Ive said before on this day we celebrate the fact we are and others celebrate because they "wish" they were! lol Unfortunately way back the jobs of fire and police were not held in as high of esteem as they are today. And many Irish immigrants coming here needed jobs, any job so those jobs were there with I believe very low pay scales. The interesting thing is that it started as a necessity yet became a tradition in families, and became a "reputable" way to earn a living. So as I said before....the Irish were very important to NYC and helped to build and protect her. I just thought you might find this interesting. Here is part of an article: " _Abroad in New York_ (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=Abroad+in+New+York&topic=TRUE) By _FRANCIS MORRONE_ (http://www.nysun.com/authors/Francis+Morrone) March 13, 2008 In the 1963 study of immigrant succession in _New York City_ (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=New+York+City) , "Beyond the Melting Pot," Nathan Glazer and Daniel Moynihan wrote that "New York used to be an Irish city." Irish had lived in New York from its earliest days. But not until the famine migrations, beginning in the late 1840s, did New York become "an Irish city." By 1855, nearly one-third of all New York City residents were Irish-born. _William Tweed_ (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=William+"Boss"+Tweed) (of Scottish Protestant descent), "boss" of the Tammany Hall Democratic machine in the 1860s, and formerly an anti-Catholic nativist, rose to power by recognizing the political strength latent among the new Irish. To win them over, he placed Irish in key positions in the Tammany hierarchy. When _Tweed_ (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=William+"Boss"+Tweed) 's corrupt tenure abruptly ended in 1872, Honest John Kelly, an Irish Catholic immigrant, was poised to take the Tammany reins. For several decades, the Irish dominated New York politics — and for several decades the stereotypical New Yorker spoke with a brogue. By 1855, nearly one-third of all New York City residents were Irish-born. _William Tweed_ (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=William+"Boss"+Tweed) (of Scottish Protestant descent), "boss" of the Tammany Hall Democratic machine in the 1860s, and formerly an anti-Catholic nativist, rose to power by recognizing the political strength latent among the new Irish. To win them over, he placed Irish in key positions in the Tammany hierarchy. When _Tweed_ (http://www.nysun.com/related_results.php?term=William+"Boss"+Tweed) 's corrupt tenure abruptly ended in 1872, Honest John Kelly, an Irish Catholic immigrant, was poised to take the Tammany reins. For several decades, the Irish dominated New York politics — and for several decades the stereotypical New Yorker spoke with a brogue. That it's hard to pick a spot in New York where some tangible sense of Irish history may be had is a measure of how thoroughly the Irish assimilated into the American mainstream. Yet Irishness imbues much of New York life. After the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001, who was not struck by how many of the fallen firefighters and police had Irish surnames? It seemed as though the names might not have been much different in 1901. And New York has not, to this day, had a Catholic archbishop not of Irish descent. The approach of St. Patrick's Day makes one ponder the remarkable role of the Irish in the building of New York City. A brief stroll through New York's Irish history might begin in front of one of the city's grandest edifices, the old Police Headquarters building on Centre Street, between Broome and Grand streets. This Hoppin & Koen building opened in 1909, when Irish utterly dominated the police force. The subsistence farmers of Ireland arrived in New York with apparently no urban skills. Irishmen therefore took heavy-lifting jobs, such as dock, warehouse, and construction work. But their seemingly alien skills — for oral storytelling (the "gift of gab"), or clandestine organizing (a necessity amid repressive British rule) — suited the Irish for success in organizational life, and they succeeded wildly in politics, in the church, in the police and fire departments, and in the public school system. The glorious, great-domed building on Centre Street was a monument to a force just a bit more than 60 years old, and one dominated for half that time by the Irish. (The department moved to the new One Police Plaza in the 1970s, and the old headquarters is now apartments.)" If you want to read more of this article here is the site...... _http://www.nysun.com/article/72816_ (http://www.nysun.com/article/72816) So as I said before....the Irish were very important to NYC and helped to build and protect her. I just hought you might find this interesting. Sue in NY < recouping from "Green" day! lol **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

To ALL , Here in the States, .....today is a day that if you ARE Irish you feel so proud to be and you wear green. And if you aren't you wear it wishing you were...! lol In fact everything is green...from hair dyed green to green bagels ! In Manhattan, the largest holiday parade will take place. There will be bagpipes ecohing thru the streets of Manhattan, and many a "kilt" will be swaying in the breeze. (gee...I should've gone to the city with my kids lol). Laughter, and smilin' Irish eyes are everwhere! And Irish music plays wherever you go. Since my children are in NYC at the parade and I am home watching it on the TV...... ..............let me set the scene....It is a beautiful clear, sunny yet cool day in NY. Ahh the Luck of the Irish as usual....tho...even if it was raining or snowing there would still be hundreds of thousands of people watching and marching on this day. In other words...nothing stops an Irishman from celebrating! lol You can see the "green" line that runs down the center of 5th Ave along the parade route. It is the 247th anniversary of the St Patricks Day parade. Imagine ...yes...the very first parade was on March 17, 1762. WOW! It is considered the largest parade in the WORLD! The parade passes St Patricks Cathederal in NYC.And the Cardinal watches from it's steps. It never has floats or autos but has 150,000 to 250,000 marchers and about 2 million spectators lining the streets, besides TV viewers. Here is some of the parade's history....... "The first St. Patrick's Day Parade in New York was held on lower Broadway in 1762 by a band of homesick Irish ex-patriots and Irish military serving with the British Army stationed in the American colonies in New York City. This was a time when the wearing of green was a sign of Irish pride and was banned in Ireland. The parade participants reveled in the freedom to speak Irish, wear the green, sing Irish songs and play the pipes to Irish tunes that were very meaningful to the Irish immigrants who had fled their homeland. Since the first Parade, 247 years ago, the Parade today is still escorted by a unit of soldiers; and for the past 150 years or so“The Irish Infantry” National Guard 69th Regiment have lead the Parade up Fifth Avenue, and they are followed by the various Irish societies of the city, the thirty two Irish county societies, and various Schools, collages, Emerald societies, Irish-language, and nationalist societies." And those soldiers marching today march in Authentic Civil War uniforms. "The 2002 parade was dedicated to the 'Heroes of 9/11, ' honoring the police, fire and all rescue workers. At midday, the entire parade paused for two minutes, the Parade at that time stretched one and a half miles and the entire Parade turned around and faced South towards the “TWIN TOWERS” as the Cardinal said a prayer for all the victims of 9/11. This was the first time in history, in the City that never sleeps, one could hear a pin drop on Fifth Avenue, a fitting tribute to the men and women who lost their lives on that fateful day in 2001. The 2002 Parade was the largest Parade to date with an estimated 300,000 marchers and three million spectators lining Fifth Avenue. This was the first time in history, the President of Ireland (Mary Mc Aleese) reviewed the Parade." So as I sit and watch....as different counties...Waterford, Derry, Longford....am waiting for Fermanagh and Tyrone lol...I feel an extreme sense of pride and goosebumps. I think even more so since I started researching my family. Why? Because I have come to understand the sacrifices and pride that they must've had. Let me close with...I have never been MORE proud to be Irish then today. The Irish helped build this country. They have made me who I am.....and given me my home, where I live. My mother was so right everytime she told me...." Be proud of who you are and where you come from!" I so am! A very Happy St. Patrick's Day to you ALL! Sue in "Irish" green New York! names: Armstrong- Dumfries,Scotland- Fermanagh, N Ire-Tyrone, N Ire-Illinois,USA Montgomery-Fermanagh, N Ire Copeland- Monaghan-Fermanagh-NY.USA Darcy- NY,USA Moroney- Galway,Ire- NY,USA Russell- Tipperary, Ire- NY,USA Henderson- Fermanagh,N Ire So... I want to wish you all a very Happy St. Patrick's Day! And as I watch the parade..and yes get teary eyed at the sound of "the pipes" I will think of all of you...and be thankful for all the help and knowledge you have shared with me on this list. Thank You, And I hope your Irish eyes keep smilin' all day! **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Scott: If your budget is limited, you might first try finding the civil record of your grgrandfather's birth in the General Registry Office (groireland.ie). That would give you the parish and townland, as well as the religion. Also, the Griffith's Index shows only three Stevens in Co. Monaghan, Including one in Muckno parish, where there were also two Thomas Donnellys, perhaps father and grandfather of your grgrandfather. You might see if the parish records have been filmed. Diane

Hello Everyone, I would like to hear of peoples experiences and recommendations in hiring someone for Genealogy research in Ireland.  I will be visiting Ireland his summer and would like to be able to locate the families ancestral home.  I have not been able to accomplish much with the resources I have in America.  This needs to be accomplished on a very limited budget! My g-grandfather was Thomas Donnelly.  He is said to have been from county Monaghan, born September 15, 1871 (or maybe 1874).  I believe he was a Protestant.  His parents names were said to be Thomas Donnelly and Mary Stevens. You may reach me directly at [email protected],   Thank you for any input, stories and recommendations you may have.  Scott Stimpson

Hi List, I am searching for information on Hugh MCDONNELL/MCDONALD and Bessie (?Elizabeth) MAGUIRE married in 1857 in Saint Mary's, RC,Newtownbutler, Fermanagh. He is thought to be an itinerant farmer. I am missing children born between 1858 and 1865. I have a loose connection between Bessie and a Terrence Maguire who is in Glasgow Scotland in 1870's when his son Edward marries. Edward's son Hugh Maguire is in the McDonnell household, at the age of 9, as a nephew, in the 1901 Irish census for Lehinch Fermanagh. For the children of Hugh and Bessie I have: 1865 John Charles MCDONNELL born Gortian ?, Fermanagh (from official birth certificate from PRONI.) Could this be an error and be Gorteens Monaghan? Could the county associated with this have changed? Birth registered at Newtownbutler, Fermanagh. John is my Great Grandfather and I have this entire line to the present. He does not show on the records at Roslea for St Mary's. Seems the family may have been further away from Newtownbutler at the time but where? Immigrated to the USA in 1880's. 1866- Patrick MCDONNELL- birthplace and specific date unknown. Immigrated with John and James to USA in 1880's. Died in New Jersey in 1919. Parents name on death certificate supplied by John. All 3 brothers buried in same plot, bought by John. Unable to verify information at Irish World Heritage or Roslea Heritage Center. 1868 James MCDONNELL- information taken from Death Certificate , 1918,in Queens NY and information provided by brother John McDonnell. Immigrated to the USA with John and Patrick in 1880's. Unable to verify information at Irish World Heritage or Roslea Heritage Center. 1869 Michael MCDONNELL October 3, 1869, Newtownbutler registered and baptized in St Mary's.. Born in Mullyduff, Fermanagh, From IGI. No further information on his line. Irish World Heritage Center has another Michael (born? October 17, 1869 listed for Mulladuffy in Clones with a father Hugh and mother Kelly Maguire. I do not think that they are the same but is possible to have two with the same father's name, in the same townland, around the same date? Could the Kelly Maguire be a witness and the second date be the baptism? 1871 Cecilia MCDONNELL born June 19, 1871, Drumallen, Fermanagh. Baptized St Mary's Newtownbutler July 5, 1871. From IGI and Roslea Heritage Center, Oliver McCaffrey. I have my cousins's information to the present day regarding this line still residing in Fermanagh. Drumallen does not show up on Sean Ruad but the record is the dame as Roslea and Irish Heritage. 1874 (approx) Edward MCDONNELL. Appears in the 1901 census as 27 years old at Lehinch with his family. No further information on this child either. 1876 Thomas MCDONNELL. Birth November 2, 1876, Clonelty (or Conelty) Baptism December 8, 1876 at St Mary's Newtownbutler. Irish Heritage Center has him listed as a birth record in Monaghan, parish of Clones.but it is actually his baptism from Roslea Heritage records for St Mary's. Parents are correct on these records and match. He appears in the 1901 census of Fermanagh residing with his father and siblings at Lehinch, Fermanagh. No further information. Cousin unaware of any family information for Edward or THomas. My cousin reports that an older sister, probably born in the "missing years" 1858 to 1864 married a man from Monaghan. Given that the family seemed to stay near the border most of the time this would be reasonable. Wish I had her first name. Any thoughts, insights, information would be gratefully appreciated. Janet Morgan Searching : McDonnell/McDonald and Maguire in Fermanagh and Monaghan; Darcy in Limerick, Maguire and Bowie in Scotland. **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001)

Members with connections to this part of Co. Monaghan may find photo of remains of Rountrees mill recently received with thanks from list member Roisin Lafferty. The photo can be viewed at: http://www.flickr.com/photos/monaghan_ireland/2335086823/ Brian --------------------------------- Looking for the perfect gift? Give the gift of Flickr!

Hi Sue, It might be worth it to order it, especially if the townland and names match up. I would imagine there will be children's names mentioned in the letters which would confirm or refute. I know you might end up being out of pocket but if you think there's a good possibility it's yours then it might be worth taking a chance. Claire On 10/03/2008 15:33, "[email protected]" <[email protected]> wrote: > Thanks for the links, Claire. I found this one which could be mine: Ltrs of > Adm. for James WALLACE of Braddox, Co. Monaghan, farmer, who d. 1 Aug 1875 at > Warrenpoint, Co. Down, were granted to the widow, Elizabeth WALLACE of > Braddox. Unfortunately I need more info to confirm. Children's names would > be good! Sue Marcus

Thanks for the links, Claire. I found this one which could be mine: Ltrs of Adm. for James WALLACE of Braddox, Co. Monaghan, farmer, who d. 1 Aug 1875 at Warrenpoint, Co. Down, were granted to the widow, Elizabeth WALLACE of Braddox. Unfortunately I need more info to confirm. Children's names would be good! Sue Marcus From: Claire McConville <[email protected]> Date: 2008/03/09 Sun PM 05:02:22 CDT To: Monaghan Mailing List <[email protected]> Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Wills and Probate at Proni Hi All, My friend Sean Rooney, from the mailing list, recently ordered some wills documents from the new wills calendars at proni and asked me to copy them onto his Rooney pages on my website. If you¹d like to view these wills and the information that can be obtained from wills, go here http://www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk/rooney_Wills.htm You can search the wills calendars here http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars/wills_searc h.htm You can order by contacting proni with the reference numbers and death date of your ancestor(s). There is a charge of approx. £5 per document as well as p&p charges. Claire McConville ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi All, My friend Sean Rooney, from the mailing list, recently ordered some wills documents from the new wills calendars at proni and asked me to copy them onto his Rooney pages on my website. If you¹d like to view these wills and the information that can be obtained from wills, go here http://www.claires-rosleaancestry.co.uk/rooney_Wills.htm You can search the wills calendars here http://www.proni.gov.uk/index/search_the_archives/will_calendars/wills_searc h.htm You can order by contacting proni with the reference numbers and death date of your ancestor(s). There is a charge of approx. £5 per document as well as p&p charges. Claire McConville

On the 1796 flaxgrowers list here are a Joseph McCormick and a James and John Hamilton from Ematris. By the time of the Griffith evaluation there were three John McCormicks from Ematris. My Ancestor Joseph McCormick married Bella Hamilton before 1800 in county Monaghan. Now all I have to do is find that the Joseph on the flaxgrowers list married Bella Hamilton, has anyone got any ideas? Alistair McCormick in Australia