Richard Armstrong B. 1721 in Monaghan. Emigrated to Westchester Co., NY and then Saratoga Co. Father may have been James. Married a Douglas while in Ireland. Marilynn -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 5995 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

Is anyone aware of a transcription of the Currin Parish cemetery gravestones located in Scotshouse? Thank you, Rob Robert E. Welch Scottsdale, AZ, USA [email protected] Cavan: Welsh Fermanagh: Chapman, Welsh Monaghan: McGinnis, Welsh Tyrone: McGinnis, Robb, Welsh

I am interested in what has been said about the Irish naming of children. I have been lucky enough to find the birth/baptism of my Gr x 3 Grandfather David Morton in the Kilmore parish in Co Cavan in 1762, his parents were Robert and Anne Morton. His brother William was born in 1765 parents Robert and Anne Morton and their daughter Mary was born in 1769 and her parents were named as Robert and William Ann Morton. In 1775 when the family were living in the Killashandra parish in Co Cavan, another daughter Catherine was born and the parents were named as Robert and Willemma Morton. Has anyone any ideas on why Anne would be called William Ann and Willemma, maybe Willemma was written down as a combination of both? Any ideas would be appreciated. Regards Anne Today's Topics: 1. Re: Irish naming of children. (Brian McConnell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:08:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Brian McConnell Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Irish naming of children. To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I have found this to be quite common as well. Something else, not to further complicate this, but I have also encountered use of abbreviations or knicknames. Ones I have encountered include: Ted or Teddy for Edward Bill or Billy for William Jim for James Maggie for Margaret Alec or Alex for Alexander Bob or Bobby for Robert Lilly for Elizabeth Rae for Rachel Tom or Tommy for Thomas Fred for Frederick Joe for Joseph Many of these are to be expected but others a bit different. Brian Marc Rafferty wrote: Great point Jim, and one that I have observed in researching my family. I have learned that many of them are documented by their middle names, and I have been lucky to uncover full names for only about half of my ancestors pre 20th century. Usually, it has been Church records that have revealed the full names. While the naming convention is not always consistent, generally I have found it to be a useful tool in my research. Marc Rafferty ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim C To: Jacqueline Harris ; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 2:25:48 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Irish naming of children. I don't know if it was because the naming pattern caused too many people to have the same name in the family, but certainly something you need to be aware of is that MANY times an individual went by his or her middle name all their life, and that can sure wreak havoc when you're searching! Jim C -----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline Harris [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Irish naming of children. In the opinion of you all how accurate is the Irish naming pattern? I have ancestors who I don't know 'for sure' if they belong to the family and could it be guide to work with or should I dismiss it. Jackie. Storing memory - no problem Retrieving memory - big problem OPC for North Bovey. Researching: Devon: FROST, GITSHAM, HARRIS, HOWARD, ROWLAND. Ballybay, Co.Monaghan: DUFFY, HAND, MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, WOODS. N. Yorks: BRANSLEY, EASBY, RUTHERFORD, THOMPSON, WALKER. Northants: DAY, GRIFFIN(G), NUTT, PITTS, UNDERWOOD, WADE. Shropshire: ALLART, DAVIES, GRIFFITHS, JONES, MANSELL, PITTS Anywhere: MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, MOHUN. Protected by www.SpamJab.com {NYvf5yYjM3TGB5C1dg] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail - Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-MONAGHAN list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the IRL-MONAGHAN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 76 ******************************************* Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com

Hi all I have been searching thru books on "google search" and a book I found..."Scots-Irish Links, 1575-1725" by David Dobson lists a William Copeland in Monaghan 1714. Just wondering if anyone has/seen anything on this William. I am searching Copeland/Copland in Monaghan about this time. Any advice on where to further look...time frame is pretty far back? Sue in NY **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Other versions of Irish names which may turn up in old registers *Brigid*: Bridget, Tillie, Breege, Bridín *William*: Liam *James* : Seamus, Jamesie, Jamie, Jemmy or Jacob *Margaret*: Peggy, Peig or Peg, Megan, Mairead *Alexande*r: Sandy *Elizabeth*: Liz, Lil, Isobel, Sybil, Eilis *Joseph*: Josh *Mary*: Maire, Maura, Mae, Maureen *Rose*: Rosheen or Roisin Peter: Peadar, Pete, Peetie Maurice: Mossie Honora: Nora Michael: Mick, Mickey, Meehaul, Mack

A few more nicknames: Polly or Minnie for Mary Bridie or Delia for Bridget Anne, Anna & Annie are interchangeable Marie, Maria & Mary ditto To make maters worse, in my family some women were called by their maiden name all their lives. Margaret On May 16, 2008, at 3:12 AM, [email protected] wrote: > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 08:08:34 -0400 (EDT) > From: Brian McConnell <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Irish naming of children. > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > I have found this to be quite common as well. > > Something else, not to further complicate this, but I have also > encountered use of abbreviations or knicknames. > > Ones I have encountered include: > > Ted or Teddy for Edward > Bill or Billy for William > Jim for James > Maggie for Margaret > Alec or Alex for Alexander > Bob or Bobby for Robert > Lilly for Elizabeth > Rae for Rachel > Tom or Tommy for Thomas > Fred for Frederick > Joe for Joseph > > Many of these are to be expected but others a bit different. > > Brian

I have found this to be quite common as well. Something else, not to further complicate this, but I have also encountered use of abbreviations or knicknames. Ones I have encountered include: Ted or Teddy for Edward Bill or Billy for William Jim for James Maggie for Margaret Alec or Alex for Alexander Bob or Bobby for Robert Lilly for Elizabeth Rae for Rachel Tom or Tommy for Thomas Fred for Frederick Joe for Joseph Many of these are to be expected but others a bit different. Brian Marc Rafferty <[email protected]> wrote: Great point Jim, and one that I have observed in researching my family. I have learned that many of them are documented by their middle names, and I have been lucky to uncover full names for only about half of my ancestors pre 20th century. Usually, it has been Church records that have revealed the full names. While the naming convention is not always consistent, generally I have found it to be a useful tool in my research. Marc Rafferty ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim C To: Jacqueline Harris ; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 2:25:48 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Irish naming of children. I don't know if it was because the naming pattern caused too many people to have the same name in the family, but certainly something you need to be aware of is that MANY times an individual went by his or her middle name all their life, and that can sure wreak havoc when you're searching! Jim C -----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline Harris [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Irish naming of children. In the opinion of you all how accurate is the Irish naming pattern? I have ancestors who I don't know 'for sure' if they belong to the family and could it be guide to work with or should I dismiss it. Jackie. Storing memory - no problem Retrieving memory - big problem OPC for North Bovey. Researching: Devon: FROST, GITSHAM, HARRIS, HOWARD, ROWLAND. Ballybay, Co.Monaghan: DUFFY, HAND, MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, WOODS. N. Yorks: BRANSLEY, EASBY, RUTHERFORD, THOMPSON, WALKER. Northants: DAY, GRIFFIN(G), NUTT, PITTS, UNDERWOOD, WADE. Shropshire: ALLART, DAVIES, GRIFFITHS, JONES, MANSELL, PITTS Anywhere: MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, MOHUN. Protected by www.SpamJab.com {NYvf5yYjM3TGB5C1dg] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message --------------------------------- All new Yahoo! Mail - Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane.

I don't know if it was because the naming pattern caused too many people to have the same name in the family, but certainly something you need to be aware of is that MANY times an individual went by his or her middle name all their life, and that can sure wreak havoc when you're searching! Jim C -----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline Harris [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Irish naming of children. In the opinion of you all how accurate is the Irish naming pattern? I have ancestors who I don't know 'for sure' if they belong to the family and could it be guide to work with or should I dismiss it. Jackie. Storing memory - no problem Retrieving memory - big problem OPC for North Bovey. Researching: Devon: FROST, GITSHAM, HARRIS, HOWARD, ROWLAND. Ballybay, Co.Monaghan: DUFFY, HAND, MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, WOODS. N. Yorks: BRANSLEY, EASBY, RUTHERFORD, THOMPSON, WALKER. Northants: DAY, GRIFFIN(G), NUTT, PITTS, UNDERWOOD, WADE. Shropshire: ALLART, DAVIES, GRIFFITHS, JONES, MANSELL, PITTS Anywhere: MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, MOHUN. Protected by www.SpamJab.com {NYvf5yYjM3TGB5C1dg]

Great point Jim, and one that I have observed in researching my family.  I have learned that many of them are documented by their middle names, and I have been lucky to uncover full names for only about half of my ancestors pre 20th century.  Usually, it has been Church records that have revealed the full names.  While the naming convention is not always consistent, generally I have found it to be a useful tool in my research.   Marc Rafferty ----- Original Message ---- From: Jim C <[email protected]> To: Jacqueline Harris <[email protected]>; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 2:25:48 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Irish naming of children. I don't know if it was because the naming pattern caused too many people to have the same name in the family, but certainly something you need to be aware of is that MANY times an individual went by his or her middle name all their life, and that can sure wreak havoc when you're searching! Jim C -----Original Message----- From: Jacqueline Harris [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 5:28 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Irish naming of children. In the opinion of you all how accurate is the Irish naming pattern? I have ancestors who I don't know 'for sure' if they belong to the family and could it be guide to work with or should I dismiss it. Jackie. Storing memory - no problem Retrieving memory - big problem OPC for North Bovey. Researching: Devon: FROST, GITSHAM, HARRIS, HOWARD, ROWLAND. Ballybay, Co.Monaghan: DUFFY, HAND, MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, WOODS. N. Yorks: BRANSLEY, EASBY, RUTHERFORD, THOMPSON, WALKER. Northants: DAY, GRIFFIN(G), NUTT, PITTS, UNDERWOOD, WADE. Shropshire: ALLART, DAVIES, GRIFFITHS, JONES, MANSELL, PITTS Anywhere: MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, MOHUN. Protected by www.SpamJab.com {NYvf5yYjM3TGB5C1dg] ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

My great grand mother named her first daughter Mary after her husband's mother then her second daughter Agnes after God knows who and then her third daughter Margaret after her own mother. She named her first son John Matthew after her husband (who was named after both his grandfathers and shared John with his father-in-law) and her second son Francis after her favorite brother. So, you see, it can et complicated. Margaret

In the opinion of you all how accurate is the Irish naming pattern? I have ancestors who I don't know 'for sure' if they belong to the family and could it be guide to work with or should I dismiss it. Jackie. Storing memory - no problem Retrieving memory - big problem OPC for North Bovey. Researching: Devon: FROST, GITSHAM, HARRIS, HOWARD, ROWLAND. Ballybay, Co.Monaghan: DUFFY, HAND, MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, WOODS. N. Yorks: BRANSLEY, EASBY, RUTHERFORD, THOMPSON, WALKER. Northants: DAY, GRIFFIN(G), NUTT, PITTS, UNDERWOOD, WADE. Shropshire: ALLART, DAVIES, GRIFFITHS, JONES, MANSELL, PITTS Anywhere: MOAN(E), MOEN, MOGHAN, MOHAN, MOHUN. Protected by www.SpamJab.com {NYvf5yYjM3TGB5C1dg]

It's helpful but not ironclad. Just this week I learned my greatgreatgrandfather, who I was sure was named Patrick because his son and daughter named their first sons Patrick, was actually John. His daughter named her third son (my grandfather) John and his son named none of his sons John. But the rule was probably followed more often than not. Diane PS: Did any of your Ballybay Duffys or Hands marry Johnstons?

Over the last 10 years I have been noting down some tips regarding Irish Family History. This has now reached about 15 pages of A4 and is too long to post to a list. Irish Genealogy - "A Family History Primer" by Liam Martin can be found at http://postmanbill2.tribalpages.com/tribe/browse?userid=postmanbill2&view=78&rand=9091372&storyid=616 Comments and suggestions for improvements and additions are welcome Liam "A bird in the bush is worth two in the cat"

Hello Everybody, I am looking for any information on sisters MARGARET & MARTHA CARROLL born around 1800-1810 I believe they were from the NEWRY area, MARTHA married WILLIAM WHYTE place unknown, if there is any other person researching these ladies or has information about them would they kindly get in touch, thank you. Regards, Syd

Hello, There are no Copeland people in Drumswords cemetery on gravestones. The gravestones are listed in Clogher record 1985, the journal of the Clogher Historical Society. Drumswords is between Newbliss and Scotshouse in County Monaghan. Lyn Brown in Griffith

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Hi all I am searching for my Copeland line near Smithborough in Monaghan. During my online searching I came across a ref to Smithboruogh.... Smithborough Located on the main Monaghan to Clones road, the village of Smithborough has an Oscar Wilde connection. It was here that his half-sisters were tragically killed in a fire in nearby Drumaconnor House when they were being educated locally. Remnants of an ancient border - the Black Pigs Dyke run through here and it is the birthplace of Arthur Griffiths. There are two historic graveyards in the village - Drum Swords and Magheratemple Has anyone ever heard of these 2 cemeteries?Are there any sites with info about them? "If" my Copeland family lived in the area in the early to mid 1700's, and they were Metodists (or eventually would be) is there a chance they just might be buried here? Just thought I'd ask since I'm only just starting to search here in Monaghan Co. TY Sue in NY **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Hi All, I tried something like this once before...and I thought I would try again. I am putting names out there, maiden names, and birth years too, in the areas where these individuals were born or lived. This way "if" anyone thinks there may be a connection....perhaps we can find a place where "we" overlap. If not for more info, then at least to know or understand better where our direct or in-direct lines went. It's worth a try! Next to names is the birth years. Any notes are next to names. I did cap surnames, only to make it easier to notice. Areas mentioned are: Dumfries -Scotland .....Counties of Fermanagh, Tyrone, Donegal, & Monaghan in N Ireland Surnames mentioned are: ARMSTRONG, COPELAND, MONTGOMERY, BUCHANAN, WRIGHT, BELL, JARDINE, MOORE, RICHEY/RICHIE, BRACKEN, GRICE, MASON, WILLIS, HARPUR, THOMPSON, FINLAY, OLIVER Dryfesdale, Dumfries,Scotland.... John ARMSTRONG b 1734? marr Nicholas JARDINE b 1738? Isabella/Isobel ARMSTRONG b 1767 in Dryfesdale marr William WRIGHT b 1760 Mary ARMSTRONG b 1773 in Dryfesdale marr?? Adam BELL b 1771 Jean ARMSTRONG b 1760 Dryfesdale James ARMSTRONG b 1762 Dryfesdale John ARMSTRONG b 1771 Dryfesdale George ARMSTRONG b 1775 Dryfesdale Monaghan James Copeland b abt 1750 near Smithborough marr Ann Henderson b b.1754 in Kesh Hill, Co Fermanagh (daughter of Mr Henderson and the eldest daughter of Thomas Mitchel) Fermanagh County..... Enniskillen, Drummee on Inishmore Island, Lisbellaw William ARMSTRONG b 1765 Scotland marr Jane MONTGOMERY b. 1774 on Inishmore?? Mary ARMSTRONG b 1795 -Drummee marr James MOORE b. ? John ARMSTRONG b 1796 -Drummee marr Frances MOORE b 1804 Nicholina ARMSTRONG b 1797 -Drummee marr Hugh COPELAND b 1780 b Lisbellaw? Alexander ARMSTRONG b 1806 -Drummee marr Martha RICHEY/RICHIE b.1812 Jane ARMSTRONG b ? Drummee marr William Copeland BRACKEN b ? Greta(?) ARMSTRONG b ? Drummee marr ? GRICE ?b.? Montgomery ARMSTRONG b. 1812 -Drummee marr Sarah BUCHANAN b ? near Omagh,Co Tyrone William ARMSTRONG b ? - Drummee died 1849 Alexander Henry COPELAND b 1864 Holywell John COPELAND b 1864 Holywell Adah Eliza COPELAND b 1865 Lisbellaw Fredrick William COPELAND b 1867 Fermanagh Co Jane COPELAND b 1776 Lisbellaw marr ? MASON James COPELAND b 1784 Lisbellaw marr Ann ???? < possibly lived in Donegal Co Henry COPELAND b 1779 Lisbellaw marr Margery WILLIS of Killesher Parish Mary Ann COPELAND b 1791 Lisbellaw marr William? THOMPSON John COPELAND b 1794 Lisbellaw marr Sarah HARPUR (1st) then marr Matilda FINLAY of Strabane Tyrone County...near Omagh Jessie Wright ARMSTRONG b. 1853 -Drummee? marr Thomas Stuart OLIVER No marraiges on these... most/all born in Fermanagh Co , in Drummee, but moved and lived in Tyrone co from 1856 on...births are from 1845 on..All are ARMSTRONG....Some "may have" immigrated to US,Canada, or Australia. Hugh b ? John B b 1849 Georgina Fanny William George Anna b 1847 ?Mary Eleanor b 1851 **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Hello, Does anyone know if there is information available from the Cathedral of Monaghan or maybe from the cemetery that would be used by the Cathderal. Thank you Pauline Canada

Hi I haven't been a "regular" poster to this list...though I have watched for any info. I have been a regular on the Fermanagh list, esp since I was concentrating on my family there. Now I want to, shall I say, try stepping back a few years, and into Monaghan County. I had tried very hard to familiarize myself with Fermanagh and the areas they lived in...(which was tough for this New Yorker). NOW ....I need to look into Monaghan County and try NOT to get confused while doing it! And although I assume many of you are also on the Fermanagh List I thought it would be better to post here. I am looking for Copeland/ Coplan My James Copeland was born abt 1750 "near Smithborough" in County Monaghan. It is said he came from a large family....whose parents "may have" been born in Scotland. I would love to find siblings or even parents to my James. I have found a John Coplan living in Monaghan County around this time but instead of just relying on that I wanted to ask those of you more familiar with Monaghan...Where would be "reliable" places to search. Sites? Possible parish names? Grave yard names? Etc? I have a lot of sites and info...I just want to start fresh here so as not to confuse myself...(which is not very hard to do) I thought perhaps THIS might be a good way to try to do it. T Y Sue in NY **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)