Hi, We have just added the first sets of donated headstones for Monaghan. With everyone's help - we hope to build this area up quite a bit. Thanks to those who shared their photos! The new files are for: Braddox Church Cemetery, Clontibret Old Donaghmoyne Cemetery St Livinus Catholic Graveyard in Killeevan (partial) Sts. Peter and Paul Church, Knocknacran East townland So far there are 18 headstones. If you have any to share, send to my email at: [email protected] We would also appreciate the text of the stones which can be typed into an email. The photographer usually knows what the stones say better than I do so it is a big help to have them typed up. All the best, Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ *Go to Monaghan and then Headstones

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We are adding headstones to the IGP Archives at a fast pace. Alas some counties have a lot and some have none. Here is our Headstone page and you can see that Monaghan is without any contributions. I would like to rectify that with your help. http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/1headstones/ Please send your Monaghan headstones so we can get a page started for Monaghan. To see what we hope to do, check out Dublin or Wicklow. If you have any headstone photos for Monaghan, you can send them directly to me. I have a fast modem, so size is not a problem. [email protected] Thanks :) Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/

Is anyone aware if the rental records contained in THE MADDEN PAPERS have been extracted, and a transcription made available? The Madden Papers concern the Hilton Estate located near Scotshouse, Currin Parrish, Co. Monaghan, a few kilometers SW of Clones on the Co. Fermanagh border. The Hilton Estate covered properties in both Co. Monaghan and Co. Fermanagh. The papers are on file at PRONI. Thanks, Rob Robert E. Welch Scottsdale, AZ, USA [email protected] Cavan: Welsh Fermanagh: Chapman, Welsh Monaghan: McGinnis, Welsh Tyrone: McGinnis, Robb, Welsh

If you looks for those names on the Griffith's index on failteromhat.com, you'll see Kirks were mostly in Donaghmoyne civil parish, and there were plenty of Dalys there, too, including 6 Patricks. You might start with the Donaghmoyne church records. Unfortunately, they've not been filmed by the LDS, so you'd have to go through Monaghan Ancestry. Diane

I am researching for a Patrick Daly married to a Catherine Kirk in January 1856.? Does anyone know of any where abouts of where these families existed at this time?? doreen

Pat, Thanks so much for your response. It was very informative for me and I will share it with my cousin. I think that when the obit said Elizabeth Ward was from Parish Carrick that they probably didn't really mean the parish (as in church parish), but more likely the market town of Carrickmacross. But I could be wrong about that. So are you saying that there are church records for that area that I haven't checked, then? I wasn't sure what you meant by the Heritage Centers that would research those records for a fee. Could you explain more about that? I could go to the PRONI in Belfast if that would be helpful. I wasn't aware that was an option. I kind of figured that our family was dirt poor and probably wouldn't have headstones in the cemetery. It was just wishful thinking on my part. :-) Do the churches have records of burials? Or just baptisms and marriages? I know chances of finding the parents of my great great great grandparents are slim, but I don't want to leave any stone unturned in the search. Thanks again for your help. Bette At 03:11 AM 5/28/2008, you wrote: >Today's Topics: > > 1. Wards around Carrickmacross (Pat Traynor) > >From: Pat Traynor <[email protected]> >Precedence: list >MIME-Version: 1.0 >To: [email protected] >Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 07:12:47 -0700 >Message-ID: <[email protected]> (added by > [email protected]) >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed >Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Wards around Carrickmacross >Message: 1 > > >Bette LoPresti <[email protected]> wrote....... > > My cousin and I are traveling to Ireland in June and are > planning to go back to Carrickmacross. We stopped there when we > went to Ireland two years ago. At that time we were able to find > someone to open the gate to a very old cemetery in town to look for > headstones but couldn't find any Wards or Byrne(s). .............. >.............. I did check the St. Joseph's Church register on the >LDS film #926055 and found a few Wards, Byrne, and Short(t) (our 2nd >great grandfather's surname). The towns listed by these names were >Ardragh and Carrigamore. Is there anyone on this list familiar with >either of these places? Would there be a cemetery in either place >that we could visit? > >.............. Any suggestions of what else we could do or where we >could look when we go in June would be very much appreciate. >Bette >------------------ >Bette, there is a WARD headstone in the cemetery of The Old >Donaghmoyne church about 2-1/2 miles north of Carrickmacross. I >took a photo of it in 1987 but can't find it now. >There were 10 Wards listed as sponsors of a Donaghmoyne history book >locally published about 1986, so there are many Wards still in that area today. > >Don't believe there was a parish named Carrick. I think the parish >which includes the town of Carrickmacross is Magheracloone. > >Here is parts of a message in Rootsweb from a Sally M dated 2002 >that might be helpful. > Carrick seems to be an abbreviated name for Carrickmacross. >It states below that Ardragh is in Magherross parish; > >The records for Magheracloone Catholic parish, which also has the same >boundaries as its civil parish, are on microfilm, but it is only available >at the National Library of Ireland in Dublin, and at PRONI, in Belfast. >They are *not* available elsewhere, except for the heritage centre for >this area which will do research in them for a fee. > >Remember that in years past one had to attend the Catholic church in one's >geographical church parish, rather than any parish one choses, as is >possible today. Also, a marriage usually took place in the parish church >of the bride. As the young people often met either at church or during >market day in Carrick, in this area seeking records in both church >parishes oten is needed. > > .............. There is more than one Catholic church structure > in each of these two >church parishes, but the records usually are kept in one parish >location/record. In Magheracloone are Sts. Peter and Paul Church in >Knocknacran East townland, and St. Patrick Church in Carrickashedoge >townland. In Magheross are St. Joseph in Carrick, and two outlying church >structures in Corduff townland (not to be confused with Corduff Kelly) and >Corcreghagh townland. > >There also are several C of I churches in the area, St. Molua (if I have >spelled it correctly) in, as I recall, Camaghy townland, Magheracloone, a >small structure seating no more than around 50 or 60; the C of I church in >Carrick town, much larger, and one in Ardragh townland, Magheross. That's >all of the Protestant churches in the two civil parishes today, although >there is the ruin of a Presbyerian church (and existing graveyard) in >Carrickmaclim, Magheross. The Protestant church-goers attended the one of >choice, even if in an adjacent civil parish if it were closer than one in >the civil parish of residence, or if it were more compatible to one's >belief system. > Almost all of the Catholic families of long ago were dirt poor, and few >were able to afford tombstones even in the graveyard surrounding the local >Catholic church, so you won't find any. The earliest standing church in >Magheracloone today, Sts. Peter and Parul, dates from 1823. Many in my >Carrick-area families were buried in what today are plots about 8x12 feet, >containing who knows how many remains, and only a fairly recent tombstone >or two, if any. St. Patrick, also called the Rockchapel, dates from about >1837. > > > > >To contact the IRL-MONAGHAN list administrator, send an email to >[email protected] > >To post a message to the IRL-MONAGHAN mailing list, send an email to >[email protected] > >__________________________________________________________ >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >[email protected] >with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and >the body of the >email with no additional text.

Bette: Actually, the town of Carrickmacross is in the civil (and Catholic) parish of Magheross (Maigher Rois), though it almost sits on the border of the civil (and Catholic) parish of Magheracloone. Pat's reply is entirely accurate, as my grandmother was born there and her ancestors were born, lived and died there and a second cousin still lives there. I have been there several times. Incidentally, I am the Sally which she cites! The C of I parish is, indeed, St. Molua, and some Catholic families were buried in this Anglican cemetery because their families had been in decades/centuries prior. However, few recent grave markers were apparent when I visited that church's cemetery, though some from the earliest of times, perhaps 1600s/1700s or so were fascinating. The markers in the "very old cemetery" which is in the center of the town of Carrickmacross were transcribed in an issue of the "Clogher Record" some years ago, but I doubt you will find your ancestors among them, as noted that most Catholic families couldn't afford any markers until the 20th century or later. Mine are in cemeteries in both Catholic parishes, and in the cemeteries surrounding the several church structures, but the only markers are of the 20th century, on those 8x12 plots holding multiple remains from decades ago (the churches were built in the 1820s and shortly thereafter). It should be noted that, even today, embalming is not often practiced in this area, with burial within a day or two of death and the immediately following church services. The noon news on the local radio station (everyone listens) lets all know who has died in the past 24 hours, and when the services will be, which all who can attend faithfully. Enjoy your trip! Sally

Bette LoPresti <[email protected]> wrote....... My cousin and I are traveling to Ireland in June and are planning to go back to Carrickmacross. We stopped there when we went to Ireland two years ago. At that time we were able to find someone to open the gate to a very old cemetery in town to look for headstones but couldn't find any Wards or Byrne(s). .............. .............. I did check the St. Joseph's Church register on the LDS film #926055 and found a few Wards, Byrne, and Short(t) (our 2nd great grandfather's surname). The towns listed by these names were Ardragh and Carrigamore. Is there anyone on this list familiar with either of these places? Would there be a cemetery in either place that we could visit? .............. Any suggestions of what else we could do or where we could look when we go in June would be very much appreciate. Bette ------------------ Bette, there is a WARD headstone in the cemetery of The Old Donaghmoyne church about 2-1/2 miles north of Carrickmacross. I took a photo of it in 1987 but can't find it now. There were 10 Wards listed as sponsors of a Donaghmoyne history book locally published about 1986, so there are many Wards still in that area today. Don't believe there was a parish named Carrick. I think the parish which includes the town of Carrickmacross is Magheracloone. Here is parts of a message in Rootsweb from a Sally M dated 2002 that might be helpful. Carrick seems to be an abbreviated name for Carrickmacross. It states below that Ardragh is in Magherross parish; The records for Magheracloone Catholic parish, which also has the same boundaries as its civil parish, are on microfilm, but it is only available at the National Library of Ireland in Dublin, and at PRONI, in Belfast. They are *not* available elsewhere, except for the heritage centre for this area which will do research in them for a fee. Remember that in years past one had to attend the Catholic church in one's geographical church parish, rather than any parish one choses, as is possible today. Also, a marriage usually took place in the parish church of the bride. As the young people often met either at church or during market day in Carrick, in this area seeking records in both church parishes oten is needed. .............. There is more than one Catholic church structure in each of these two church parishes, but the records usually are kept in one parish location/record. In Magheracloone are Sts. Peter and Paul Church in Knocknacran East townland, and St. Patrick Church in Carrickashedoge townland. In Magheross are St. Joseph in Carrick, and two outlying church structures in Corduff townland (not to be confused with Corduff Kelly) and Corcreghagh townland. There also are several C of I churches in the area, St. Molua (if I have spelled it correctly) in, as I recall, Camaghy townland, Magheracloone, a small structure seating no more than around 50 or 60; the C of I church in Carrick town, much larger, and one in Ardragh townland, Magheross. That's all of the Protestant churches in the two civil parishes today, although there is the ruin of a Presbyerian church (and existing graveyard) in Carrickmaclim, Magheross. The Protestant church-goers attended the one of choice, even if in an adjacent civil parish if it were closer than one in the civil parish of residence, or if it were more compatible to one's belief system. Almost all of the Catholic families of long ago were dirt poor, and few were able to afford tombstones even in the graveyard surrounding the local Catholic church, so you won't find any. The earliest standing church in Magheracloone today, Sts. Peter and Parul, dates from 1823. Many in my Carrick-area families were buried in what today are plots about 8x12 feet, containing who knows how many remains, and only a fairly recent tombstone or two, if any. St. Patrick, also called the Rockchapel, dates from about 1837.

Hi All, I am seeking information about my great, great, great grandfather, John Taggart and his ancesters. He was born about September, 1800 in County Monaghan, Ireland and married Ann Jane Bothwell in 1824. She was born in 1806 and was the daughter of Charles Bothwell and Mary Gordon. They emigrated from the city of Belfast and arrived in the City of New York in 1832. They settled in Morgan County, Indiana and are buried there. Their eleven children were: Joseph Taggart b. 4 March 1825 John Taggart b. 15 May 1828 Margaret Taggart b. 20 March 1832 Thomas Taggart b. 22 Sept. 1833 Mary Taggart b. 15 Aug. 1836 Elizabeth Taggart b. Abt. 1839 Isabelle Taggart b. Abt. 1845 George Taggart b. Abt. 1847 Albert Taggart b. 22 Nov. 1848 Jane Taggart b. unknown Mattie Taggart b. unknown We are holding a Taggart family reunion in October 2008 in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma and I would appreciate any information which I could share with my Taggart cousins. I am also seeking my Taggart cousins. Thanks Terry **************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)

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Bette: Brian Mitchell has a book on Irish cemeteries that might help you. Diane

My cousin and I are traveling to Ireland in June and are planning to go back to Carrickmacross. We stopped there when we went to Ireland two years ago. At that time we were able to find someone to open the gate to a very old cemetery in town to look for headstones but couldn't find any Wards or Byrne(s). The owner of the B and B where we stayed sent us in search of and old cemetery off the Shercock road. We did find one, but we're not sure it was the one that the person sent us looking for. We were unable to find any headstones for Ward or Byrne(s). Has anyone transcribed any of the old cemeteries in the area? We have an obituary for Elizabeth Ward that says she was from Parish Carrick in County Monaghan. Elizabeth's sister, Catherine (born October 1820 in Ireland) was our 3rd great grandmother. Catherine married Bernard Byrne(s) (born about 1786 in Ireland) before 1842 either in Ireland or possibly in Philadelphia, PA. Unfortunately we haven't been able to find any record of the marriage, but we do have records of their children born in Philadelphia. We also have been unable to find record of them arriving in the US. I know that they married within the time frame that there probably is no record of the marriage in Ireland. I did check the St. Joseph's Church register on the LDS film #926055 and found a few Wards, Byrne, and Short(t) (our 2nd great grandfather's surname). The towns listed by these names were Ardragh and Carrigamore. Is there anyone on this list familiar with either of these places? Would there be a cemetery in either place that we could visit? I have been told that the Ward surname is very common in the Carrickmacross area. Another clue was that several McCabe's were sponsors for the children's baptisms in Philadelphia so possibly there may be a family connection there, also. Any suggestions of what else we could do or where we could look when we go in June would be very much appreciate. Bette

Hello All, Looking for information on Joseph WHITESIDE. He married Frances STEWART, 13 Jul 1870, at the register office, Lisnaskea, Fermangh. Not sure where he was born but it would be about 1848? If anyone has information on Joseph pleas contact me. Any help would be appreciated, Kathleen

Hi All, Just wondering if any one is searching on the STEWART line. I have William STEWART married to Frances? abt 1833. They have 4 children that we know about: George born 12 Oct 1834 Mary A born 18 Sep 1836 William born 7 Jun 1840 Frances born 10 Oct 1841 The children were born at Aghavea Parish, Fermanagh, Northern Ireland. Looking for Frances surname, also parents of her and William Stewart. Any help would be appreciated, Kathleen

Hi List, We are still trying to find any information on John HYDE born abt 1842, and his wife Sarah MCENDOO born abt 1846. They had one daughter, Elizabeth born 20 Jan 1868, at Clones, Monaghan. We would like to know if there are any more children for this couple and any information on the couple. Any help would be appreciated, Kathleen (Ontario, Canada)

----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2008 2:50 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Scotshouse Graveyards Hi sue and Bob Are you aware of Marilyn Breakey ( see above ) and her website . Laurie Hi Rob By googling "Currin Parish" besides other sites this came up.. _http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~breakey/Scotshse.htm_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~breakey/Scotshse.htm) Hope that helps....try googling if you haven't already! Sue in NY In a message dated 5/18/2008 11:56:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Is anyone aware of a transcription of the Currin Parish cemetery gravestones located in Scotshouse? Thank you, Rob Robert E. Welch Scottsdale, AZ, USA [email protected] Cavan: Welsh Fermanagh: Chapman, Welsh Monaghan: McGinnis, Welsh Tyrone: McGinnis, Robb, Welsh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 269.23.20/1452 - Release Date: 17/05/2008 6:26 PM

Hi Rob By googling "Currin Parish" besides other sites this came up.. _http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~breakey/Scotshse.htm_ (http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~breakey/Scotshse.htm) Hope that helps....try googling if you haven't already! Sue in NY In a message dated 5/18/2008 11:56:35 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Is anyone aware of a transcription of the Currin Parish cemetery gravestones located in Scotshouse? Thank you, Rob Robert E. Welch Scottsdale, AZ, USA [email protected] Cavan: Welsh Fermanagh: Chapman, Welsh Monaghan: McGinnis, Welsh Tyrone: McGinnis, Robb, Welsh ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001)

Hi listers, My Great Grandfather Peter McMAHON was born in Co Monaghan 1839 to John McMAHON and Catherine CARBERRY. Peter's second marriage took place in Glasgow, Scotland on the 13 Dec 1877. Can anybody please help me to fill in the interim period 1839 to 1877. There would be schooling and a marriage. There was possibly a daughter from this first marriage. Her name was Mary McMAHON born 1860. I know the parameters a fairly wide but I am an optimist and live in hope. I will be in Ireland attending the KAVANAGH Clann Gathering in Sept 2008 and if I can get anything worth following up will visit Monaghan whilst there. Kindest regards, Terry Kavanagh(Kiwi in Aus)