In a message dated 8/19/2008 3:16:00 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Today's Topics: 1. Re: IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 105 ([email protected]) 2. Re: IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 105 ([email protected]) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:28:00 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 105 To: [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" I can't get the email that is sent - so I am taking a chance that this goes through to the Archives. For some time now I have been a member of the County Monaghan email list. After reading many of the Archives, have decided to ask for some help. I do know that the name Moncrief is rather unusual but also know that my direct family was from Cremone, Aughamullen Parish, Co. of Monaghan. (I have a copy of a civil marriage record for my gg uncle John Moncrief to Elizabeth Timlin - 4, 1, 1847. (also have had many professionals finding them on Griffin's Valuation.) My family all came into Philadelphia, PA, USA between 1852-59 and all settled in Phoenixville, PA. John's father's name was CHARLES MONCRIEF - no mother's name How can I find out whether the following are siblings? 1 - KATHERINE - my 2nd great-grandmother b. c. 1819 - m. bef. 1844 -JOHN SPOTTEN (another name I can't find except on the GriffinsVal,) 2 - CHARLES MONCRIEF - b.6 -?- 1821/22 3 - HUGH MONCRIEF - b. c. 1825 m.Susan Jefferies 12, 27, 49 in USA 4 - JOHN MONCRIEF - b. 1828 - m. Eliz. Timlin 1847. have record ARE THERE ANY MONCRIEFs or SPOTT*Ns LEFT IN IRELAND? I have so much information about each of the above persons (generations up to the present) I would like to share.............................vldg **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut0003 0000000007 ) ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:40:57 EDT From: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 105 To: [email protected], [email protected] Message-ID: <[email protected]> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" One easy way to tell where a surname can still be found in Ireland is to go to the online phone directory, eircom.ie, and search for the surname under residential. Diane ------------------------------ To contact the IRL-MONAGHAN list administrator, send an email to [email protected] To post a message to the IRL-MONAGHAN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] __________________________________________________________ To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the email with no additional text. End of IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 3, Issue 106 ******************************************** **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)

Dear Listers, I am looking for information about an Alexander McDowell born in Monaghan about 1840. He appears to have migrated to Belfast where he married Mary Law. However a son Alexander was also born in Monaghan in 1876. Best wishes to all, Ronnie Robinson.

Hello: I am interested in hearing from anyone on this list who has or knows of someone who has a condition called Haemophilia B. This is also known by such terms as Christmas Disease, or Factor IX deficiency. According to researchers, only 1 of every 30,000 people have Haemophilia B. I have this condition, and have traced it back to my gt-gt-grandparents, William CLINE and Margaret NELSON. To date, I have not been able to establish which of them passed it down. Margaret NELSON's family came from Clones, Monaghan, Ireland, while William CLINE was born in Southwell, Nottinghamshire, England. Any assistance would be most appreciated Dennis Galley, Port Elgin, Ontario, Canada

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One easy way to tell where a surname can still be found in Ireland is to go to the online phone directory, eircom.ie, and search for the surname under residential. Diane

I can't get the email that is sent - so I am taking a chance that this goes through to the Archives. For some time now I have been a member of the County Monaghan email list. After reading many of the Archives, have decided to ask for some help. I do know that the name Moncrief is rather unusual but also know that my direct family was from Cremone, Aughamullen Parish, Co. of Monaghan. (I have a copy of a civil marriage record for my gg uncle John Moncrief to Elizabeth Timlin - 4, 1, 1847. (also have had many professionals finding them on Griffin's Valuation.) My family all came into Philadelphia, PA, USA between 1852-59 and all settled in Phoenixville, PA. John's father's name was CHARLES MONCRIEF - no mother's name How can I find out whether the following are siblings? 1 - KATHERINE - my 2nd great-grandmother b. c. 1819 - m. bef. 1844 -JOHN SPOTTEN (another name I can't find except on the GriffinsVal,) 2 - CHARLES MONCRIEF - b.6 -?- 1821/22 3 - HUGH MONCRIEF - b. c. 1825 m.Susan Jefferies 12, 27, 49 in USA 4 - JOHN MONCRIEF - b. 1828 - m. Eliz. Timlin 1847. have record ARE THERE ANY MONCRIEFs or SPOTT*Ns LEFT IN IRELAND? I have so much information about each of the above persons (generations up to the present) I would like to share.............................vldg **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-Volkswagen-Jetta-2009/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00030000000007 )

Sorry, Ive got a new email program and it keeps tripping me up! I'm looking for any info about James Slavin (Slevin) born Monaghan 1817 who married Mary ??? from Louth born about 1822. Do they ring any bells with anyone. Thanks. All help much appreciated. Linda

Pete, Thank you so much for this history.  Sounds like it would be worth a visit next time that I am there. Scott On Jul 23, 2008, at 5:19:23 AM, [email protected] wrote: The Archaeological Inventory of County Monaghan (from 1986, before they really started publishing detailed information in their county AI books) has a bit to say about the site, which is listed as a Church (in ruins). "On site of pre-Reformation church (Leslie 1929, 289). Situated in subcircular cemetery." That's about it. In more recent publications, the archaeologists have commented on the ages of the oldest, as well as the newest gravemarkers in the graveyards - but not in this 1986 book. The Leslie reference is to the book "Clogher Clergy and Parishes", published in 1929 in Enniskillen. This site goes back to the early Irish monastery period....probably sixth-century. I won't bore you with the early history, but the site was known as Muckno and, later on - in the seventeenth century - it was claimed by the Augustinian Friars. There is a chance that burials continued after that, as the site is "hallowed ground" and the nearby residents usually chose such locations for burials. I don't know if the burial ground is still being used or not. But if it is, I believe there is an Irish law which prevents landowners from denying access to an active cemetery to friends and family members for visitation. Perhaps someone with more knowledge about this can comment on such a law? Pete

Scott, == One cemetery that I did not visit is one that is indicated on my 'Discovery Series' Map as being on the shore of Muckno Lough in Church Hill. ?I drove by that area but I did not see a way to get to the cemetery without crossing private property. ?I was wondering if anyone is familiar with this graveyard? ?Is it worth a visit on my next trip? ?Is it a Catholic or Protestant cemetery? ?Any info is welcome. == The Archaeological Inventory of County Monaghan (from 1986, before they really started publishing detailed information in their county AI books) has a bit to say about the site, which is listed as a Church (in ruins). "On site of pre-Reformation church (Leslie 1929, 289). Situated in subcircular cemetery." That's about it. In more recent publications, the archaeologists have commented on the ages of the oldest, as well as the newest gravemarkers in the graveyards - but not in this 1986 book. The Leslie reference is to the book "Clogher Clergy and Parishes", published in 1929 in Enniskillen. This site goes back to the early Irish monastery period....probably sixth-century. I won't bore you with the early history, but the site was known as Muckno and, later on - in the seventeenth century - it was claimed by the Augustinian Friars. There is a chance that burials continued after that, as the site is "hallowed ground" and the nearby residents usually chose such locations for burials. I don't know if the burial ground is still being used or not. But if it is, I believe there is an Irish law which prevents landowners from denying access to an active cemetery to friends and family members for visitation. Perhaps someone with more knowledge about this can comment on such a law? Pete .............................................................................. ... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Hi! I am very interested in these results also. I am researching Windr*ms. I also missed this cemetary... Thanks Ralph Dr. Ralph W. Wyndrum Jr. LFIEEE CEO Executive Engineering Consultants President, IEEE-USA Innovation Institute, Washington, DC 2006 President, IEEE-USA 2008 Chair Elect, American Ass'n of Engineering Societies, Washington, DC Ph: 732-219-0005; fax: -0006; Cell 732-809-3811 ----- Original Message ----- From: "imscotty" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 10:31 AM Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Graveyards in Castleblayney Area/ Church Hill Hello, On a recent trip to Ireland I had a few hours to visit some of the graveyards around Castleblayney looking for my dead ancestors. I did not have much luck :( One cemetery that I did not visit is one that is indicated on my 'Discovery Series' Map as being on the shore of Muckno Lough in Church Hill. I drove by that area but I did not see a way to get to the cemetery without crossing private property. I was wondering if anyone is familiar with this graveyard? Is it worth a visit on my next trip? Is it a Catholic or Protestant cemetery? Any info is welcome. I am researching Hughes and Donnellys (and maybe Bell, Stevens, and Adams) from this area. Thanks, Scott ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello, On a recent trip to Ireland I had a few hours to visit some of the graveyards around Castleblayney looking for my dead ancestors.  I did not have much luck :( One cemetery that I did not visit is one that is indicated on my 'Discovery Series' Map as being on the shore of Muckno Lough in Church Hill.  I drove by that area but I did not see a way to get to the cemetery without crossing private property.  I was wondering if anyone is familiar with this graveyard?  Is it worth a visit on my next trip?  Is it a Catholic or Protestant cemetery?  Any info is welcome. I am researching Hughes and Donnellys (and maybe Bell, Stevens, and Adams) from this area. Thanks, Scott

I have posted this request before but since I was never been able to get this MONAGHAN email list to come up before, I am going to request it again. Different members of my Direct Moncrief Family came to the USA, Philadelphia,PA, between 1849-1952.? They apparently all settled in French Creek, Phoexinville, Pennsylvania.? From that time forward I have located all of them and their families.? It is the past that is quite hard to find. 1 -Katherine Moncrief - b- c1819 - my 2nd grear-grandmother, m.John Spotten(on) in Iireland c. 1818. 2 - Charles - b June 1821/22 3 - Hugh - b- c1825 4 - John b- 1828?- - - John married Elizabeth Timlin - April 1,1847 - Cremoen, Aughnamullen Parish, Co. Monaghan, Ireland - (Registrar's district -Cootehill) (I do have copy of the original?civil record). On this Civil Record it gives John's father's name as Charles Moncrief - farmer - -?-and Elizabeth's father as James Timlin-also farmer. I also have the residences of each - John, Cormeen and Elizabeth, Corsillogragh Here is the obvious question: Can anyone please help me with these names?? Are there any of the relatives still living around? Any cousins?? I have two large 8"x 11"x 2" filled with all of their USA notes which I will gladly share. Thanks to all of you who took time to read this long request...................................Virginia

Lindsey, == Can someone tell me how far away Carrickmacross is from Naghill? == It looks like a good 25 to 30 miles between the two locations (assuming the Naghill is the only townland by that name which I find - in Drumsnat civil parish). Pete .............................................................................. ... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

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Sorry I should have posed the question as in the 1820-1830's if one family member lived in one place and other family members lived in the second place would that be strange. Two birth places for Lindsay's in Naghill in 1820-1835 time frame, and Lindsay's in Carrickmacross in about 1850 time frame. I am trying to connect the two sets of Lindsay's together. Thanks Lindsey -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] <[email protected]> To: [email protected] <[email protected]> Sent: Wed, 16 Jul 2008 6:47 pm Subject: RE: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Carrickmacross void highways Get reverse directions From: CarrickmacrossMonaghan, Co. Monaghan, Ireland hange location or drag marker dit Drive: 40.2 km – about 47 mins 0.2 km – about 47 mins . Head north on Main St/N2 toward Monaghan St/N2 ontinue to follow N2 0.7 km . Slight left at Ballybay Rd/R180 ontinue to follow R180 o through 1 traffic circle 12.4 km . Slight right at R181 21 m . Continue on R180 9.3 km . Slight left at Lower Main St/R162 ontinue to follow R162 0.5 km . Turn left at Hallstreet/R183 ontinue to follow R183 9.4 km . Turn right 2.9 km . Turn right 0.4 km . Turn left 4.6 km To: NaghillMonaghan, Co. Monaghan, Ireland hange location or drag marker dit [Original Message] From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Date: 7/16/2008 2:44:42 PM Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Carrickmacross Can someone tell me how far away Carrickm across is from Naghill? Thanks Lindsey ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the uotes in the subject and the body of the message

Can someone tell me how far away Carrickmacross is from Naghill? Thanks Lindsey

I just received this notice that I suspect may interest other readers of this list who seek maps: As from the 31st July 2008 Ordnance Survey will no longer be taking new orders and new enquiries for historic mapping. This is due to a pending office move where our new premises are unable to accommodate this vast collection of mapping. As the mapping is a public record The National Archive Kew London will be controlling and assisting Ordnance Survey in relocating its map library. This will ensure the public have continued access to Ordnance Survey historical mapping. So I am guessing that one would the go through Kew for copies. Feel free to share this with other lists that you may be on. Sharon Oddie Brown Roberts Creek, BC, Canada History Project: http://www.thesilverbowl.com/ Family Tree: http://wc.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=silverbowl

Hi,Looking for information about James Drum or his decendants he lived at Mill St in Monaghan according to the 1901 census. He was married to Sarah nee Murphy and had 5 or 6 children one off them was called Eugene who is my grandfather. James was possibly a shoemaker but also worked as a warder in the local Lunatic Hospital (St.Davnetts) at that time 1900's. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Regards Robert Drumm,Belfast.