Thank you Robert, that link was great. I found the two townlands of interest Cortolvin and Drumbear adjacent. On with the search....... Regards, Robert-Australia.

Janet, You say that 'In reviewing the 1901 census, Hugh was widowed living with several of his children in Lehinch, Fermanagh where family lives to this day. I found a Hugh Maguire listed as nephew, born in Scotland in 1891 and now 9/10 years old.' I don't have the 1901 census for Lehinch, but from the index I'm presuming that this is the family you are referring to: Hugh McDonnell, age 70wd Celia McDonnell, age 29 Edward McDonnell, age 27 Thomas McDonnell, age 24 Maguire Hugh, age 9 Also in Lehinch in 1901, there is a William Farrell age 23 and unmarried. I don't know if he is living alone or with another family there. However, when you look at Lehinch in 1911, Thomas McDonnell is living alone and there are no other McDonnells living there. If you look at the house of William Farrell, he is now married with one child not a month old, a visitor Bridget Agnes Flynn age 13 is there, and his wife's name is Cecelia. Have you considered that Cecilia Farrell was the daughter of Hugh McDonnell and that Bridget Agnes Flynn might also be related either to the Farrells or the McDonnells? James ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 10:04 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Carn townland,Clones parish. ? which RC church Maguire rec JAmes, Thank you for your interest in my research and your response. I may have made it too confusing. I definitely have my great great grandparents, Hugh McDonnell/McDonald and Bessie Maguire marrying in 1857 in St Mary's in Newtownbutler, Fermanagh. He was a farmer and worked all over southern Fermanagh therefore children were born and baptized in different areas. I have 9 of 13 children, per my great aunt who would have been their granddaughter. In reviewing the 1901 census, Hugh was widowed living with several of his children in Lehinch, Fermanagh where family lives to this day. I found a Hugh Maguire listed as nephew, born in Scotland in 1891 and now 9/10 years old. I then went to Scotland's people website and found only 2 Hugh Maguire's with only one meeting these criteria, living in the household of Edward Maguire and Mary Ann Devlin, his wife. I found their marriage certificate listing Terence Maguire, farmer, and Margaret Leonard, mother, as Edward's parents, therefore, Hugh Maguire's grandparents. The marriage certificate gave Ireland as place of residence for his parents. Since Bessie was a Maguire I am trying to make a solid connection of Terence and Bessie as brother and sister, although records are scarce. I suspect that by 1901 census that Terence is long gone as is his wife. I estimate his age to have been around mid-to late 30's at time of GV. I am waiting on some records from Scotland that may have further information about Terence and Margaret, hopefully a more precise location for their residence. Janet In a message dated 3/14/2010 5:13:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: In 1862 there was a Terence Maguire in Dernabacky as you say, but in 1901 and 1911 the only families there were Lyttle and Smyth, and Smyth and Donnelly respectively. They would have worshipped at St McCartens nearby in Aghadrumsee. The marriages and baptisms there would still be part of Sacred Heart, Clones (Town) records. The burials likely would have been at St McCartens. I don't understand your comment 'Next documentation that I have connecting Terence and Bessie is that Hugh Maguire, Terence's grandson, is living in their household in 1901 Fermanagh census listed as a nephew (great nephew?).' Im which townland where those you mention above living in 1901? What are the relationships of all the names you have mentioned, starting (I think) with Terence Maguire/Margaret Leonard, and do you know where Margaret Leonard was from? James ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 3:20 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Carn townland,Clones parish. ? which RC church Maguire rec Thank you so much for these records but unfortunately they do not appear to be the one that I am searching for now, BUT I will save for future use. Dates are a bit off BUT names are familiar with McDonnell's and Maguires for sure. My Terence Maguire is listed as from Fermanagh/Monaghan and married a Margaret Leonard (from son's marriage certificate in 1877 in Scotland). I am rooting around in Clones /Galloon to figure out where they are from AND which ones they are. There is also a Terence Maguire in GV at Dernabacky in Clones parish but in Fermanagh. And he may not even be mine. Known facts are that a Bessie (Elizabeth) Maguire married Hugh McDonnell in Newtownbutler St Mary's RC Church ( my gr gr grandparent's). They wandered around the Fermanagh/Monaghan border area for the next 20-25 years with children born everywhere, 13 in all. Next documentation that I have connecting Terence and Bessie is that Hugh Maguire, Terence's grandson, is living in their household in 1901 Fermanagh census listed as a nephew (great nephew?). Isn't Irish genealogy intriguing and challenging ? Thanks again. Janet In reviewing your records again I note that given the age and time frame this could actually be the son of the Terence Maguire that I am seeking. In a message dated 3/14/2010 2:33:29 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: They would probably worship in Clones town, at Sacred Heart. These baptisms are from Sacred Heart but they might not fit the dates you have noted: Of Terence Maguire/Margaret McDonald -Margaret 28 May 1869, Analore Street, Clones, godparent Bridget McDonnell -Anne 10 May 1871, Clones, godparent Bridget McDonnell -Ellen 19 Mar 1873, Clones, godparent Bridget McDonnell -Elizabeth 26 Jul 1878, Clones, godparent Ellen Maguire -Catherine 2 Aug 1880, Shambles Street, Clones, godparent Ellen Maguire Of Terence Maguire/Margaret Maguire -Mary 26 Jan 1876, Clones, godparent Bridget McDonnell It is possible the last one is from the same parents as the first set of parents noted James ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:49 PM Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Carn townland,Clones parish. ? which RC church Maguire records > Can someone tell me where a RC family in Carn townland would worship, > parish name, and if those records are available anywhere? > Terence and Margaret Maguire are each listed there in Griffith's Valuation > and I am seeking their marriage from late 1840's early 1850's and > birth/baptisms of children, especially an Edward and Terence. Any others > would be > helpful as well. Also what year was the valuation done there? > Thank you > Janet

I believe I may have found my ancestors Tithe Applotment record. A John Forsythe is recorded in 1826 on the 108A. Cortolvin townland in the Parish of Monaghan. Is a townland map available on-line for this parish? If so could SKS please send me the link for a map of this area? Thank you, Robert.

I have ordered a County Monaghan set of civil parish maps with townlands delineated from the Family History Library. They will be at my local Family History Center once they arrive, probably next week. I intend to scan each parish to an image file and get the maps online at my website. I will let all know when they go online. > There is also the great website where you can view the > original Griffiths maps and the valuation sheets. You can view these for free on the AskIreland website. http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Hi Robert, There is also the great website where you can view the original Griffiths maps and the valuation sheets. The name escapes me at the moment, I'm at work and we can't access the internet. If you visit my website at www.rooneys-of-roslea.com and click on the 'other websites' section, you will see a link to the website. Its great to see the original maps and Griffiths sheets, you can even print them off. Sean -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BobG Sent: 17 March 2010 06:22 To: [email protected] Cc: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Monaghan Map. Thank you Robert, that link was great. I found the two townlands of interest Cortolvin and Drumbear adjacent. On with the search....... Regards, Robert-Australia. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for potential computer viruses using Messagelabs technology.

Bob, Go to http://193.178.1.178/Monaghan_gPlan/ Rob Robert E. Welch Anthem, AZ, USA [email protected] Cavan: Welsh Fermanagh: Chapman, Welsh Monaghan: Chapman, McGinnis, Welsh Tyrone: McGinnis, Robb, & Welsh -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of BobG Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 2010 3:51 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Monaghan Civil Parish tithe applotments I believe I may have found my ancestors Tithe Applotment record. A John Forsythe is recorded in 1826 on the 108A. Cortolvin townland in the Parish of Monaghan. Is a townland map available on-line for this parish? If so could SKS please send me the link for a map of this area? Thank you, Robert. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

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Clones RC parish records have been filmed, with baptisms back to 1848 and marriages to 1821. Copies held by the National Library of Ireland and Monaghan Ancestry, but not the LDS. Diane

--- On Sun, 3/14/10, Fran Luby <[email protected]> wrote: > From: Fran Luby <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Carn townland, Clones parish. ? which RC church Maguire records > To: "James Mullan" <[email protected]> > Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 4:45 PM > Hi I have family from Carn near > Newbliss, we found the Civil Registrations for the children > (1866 - 1883). > Mine are from Carn, Bar. Dartree, Civil Parish Aghabog. > For baptisms if Catholic is in Latnamard, if > available.  I will have to look thru my info but the > priest took the book with him when he moved onto another > parish.  Paper was very hard to get.  They did > find some for 1842 or there about. > > My husbands ggrandfather was the schoolmaster in Latnamard. > I do know the name of the church but again I'll have to look > for it. > > I have some listings for cemeteries around that area > also.  Do have the cemetery they were buried in.  > let me know. > > This is the first time I have ever seen a mention of > 'Carn'. > > Fran, Chicago Illinois  > --- On Sun, 3/14/10, James Mullan <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > From: James Mullan <[email protected]> > > Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Carn townland, Clones > parish. ? which RC church Maguire records > > To: [email protected], > [email protected] > > Date: Sunday, March 14, 2010, 1:33 PM > > They would probably worship in Clones > > town, at Sacred Heart.  These baptisms > > are from Sacred Heart but they might not fit the dates > you > > have noted: > > > > Of Terence Maguire/Margaret McDonald > > -Margaret 28 May 1869, Analore Street, Clones, > godparent > > Bridget McDonnell > > -Anne 10 May 1871, Clones, godparent Bridget > McDonnell > > -Ellen 19 Mar 1873, Clones, godparent Bridget > McDonnell > > -Elizabeth 26 Jul 1878, Clones, godparent Ellen > Maguire > > -Catherine 2 Aug 1880, Shambles Street, Clones, > godparent > > Ellen Maguire > > > > Of Terence Maguire/Margaret Maguire > > -Mary 26 Jan 1876, Clones, godparent Bridget > McDonnell > > > > It is possible the last one is from the same parents > as the > > first set of > > parents noted > > > > James > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:49 PM > > Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Carn townland,Clones parish. > ? > > which RC church > > Maguire records > > > > > > > Can someone tell me where a RC family in Carn > townland > > would worship, > > > parish name,  and if those records are > available > > anywhere? > > > Terence and Margaret Maguire are each listed > there in > > Griffith's Valuation > > > and I am seeking their marriage from late 1840's > early > > 1850's and > > > birth/baptisms  of children, especially an > Edward > > and Terence. Any others > > > would be > > > helpful as  well. Also what year was the > > valuation done there? > > > Thank you > > > Janet > > > >  > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > >

They would probably worship in Clones town, at Sacred Heart. These baptisms are from Sacred Heart but they might not fit the dates you have noted: Of Terence Maguire/Margaret McDonald -Margaret 28 May 1869, Analore Street, Clones, godparent Bridget McDonnell -Anne 10 May 1871, Clones, godparent Bridget McDonnell -Ellen 19 Mar 1873, Clones, godparent Bridget McDonnell -Elizabeth 26 Jul 1878, Clones, godparent Ellen Maguire -Catherine 2 Aug 1880, Shambles Street, Clones, godparent Ellen Maguire Of Terence Maguire/Margaret Maguire -Mary 26 Jan 1876, Clones, godparent Bridget McDonnell It is possible the last one is from the same parents as the first set of parents noted James ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, March 14, 2010 1:49 PM Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Carn townland,Clones parish. ? which RC church Maguire records > Can someone tell me where a RC family in Carn townland would worship, > parish name, and if those records are available anywhere? > Terence and Margaret Maguire are each listed there in Griffith's Valuation > and I am seeking their marriage from late 1840's early 1850's and > birth/baptisms of children, especially an Edward and Terence. Any others > would be > helpful as well. Also what year was the valuation done there? > Thank you > Janet

Can someone tell me where a RC family in Carn townland would worship, parish name, and if those records are available anywhere? Terence and Margaret Maguire are each listed there in Griffith's Valuation and I am seeking their marriage from late 1840's early 1850's and birth/baptisms of children, especially an Edward and Terence. Any others would be helpful as well. Also what year was the valuation done there? Thank you Janet

[email protected] wrote: >Can someone tell me where a RC family in Carn townland would worship, >parish name, and if those records are available anywhere? >Terence and Margaret Maguire are each listed there in Griffith's Valuation >and I am seeking their marriage from late 1840's early 1850's and >birth/baptisms of children, especially an Edward and Terence. Any >others would be >helpful as well. Also what year was the valuation done there? >Thank you >Janet > There are 3 CARNs in co. Monaghan; Acres Barony Parish Carn 145 Dartree Clones Carn 60 Monaghan Tehallan Carn 319 Dartree Aghabog

Hi Dave Thanks for that. In this case I don't think it will be the right one - it gives a big age difference between husband and wife - off the top of my head the husband was 67 and the wife about 40-ish. Not unheard of at all. There were younger children so I would imagine her age to be more the one given would be correct. If anything the family that I have located in the 1911 census could have been a brother of my g-grandmother, and it's only because the names of the children were similar that I am trying to see if there is a connection. We grasp at straws, but sometimes they turn into the haystack :) Regards Karen

People often added a few years to their age in order to get the pension. With the shortage of records they could give whatever age they wanted as it couldn't be proven. Often in families some children died and another child born a few years later got the same christian name, so when the time came to register for pension they could use the date of the first one instead. As they didn't celebrate birthdays like we do today many didn't know their exact age anyway. So "Elizabeth (this will not be her parents as the ages are incorrect)"...could easily be your Elizabeth. On 19:59, A & K Hitchcock wrote: > > Hello everyone > > I'm new to this list, having been researching family in Co Antrim and > Co Tyrone previously, along with Co Down. > > With most of them are proving elusive to say the least, I often > revisit previously researched information, and take a fresh look at it. > >> From my g-grandmother's death certificate, which is not in itself > reliable, it gave her place of birth as Bushmills (Co Antrim), and I > have looked for records for years for her family, and haven't managed > to actually find any. Her father was John Purdy, a farmer. Her > mother Elizabeth Kelly. > > Recently, on re-re-re-reading info from the 1911 census I came across > and John Purdy, wife Elizabeth (this will not be her parents as the > ages are incorrect) but both these people were born in Co Monaghan. > They gave their children similar first names to those which my > g-grandmother gave her children. These include Mabel and Eveline, > which whilst not terribly unusual, at least were not Anne and > Elizabeth! lol! > > I would think that dates relating to the couple would be: > > John Purdy b c 1830 > ELizabeth Kelly b c 1830 > > Rose Ann Purdy, my g-grandmother, was born c 1861. > > I am keeping an open mind about place of birth after my search, > because as previously mentioned it was only listed on her DEATH > certificate (which she obviously did not fill in herself :) ). On her > marriage certificate she very unhelpfully gives her place of birth as > IRELAND :) > >> From Griffiths I note that there are Kelly and Purdy families in the > parish of Muckno. What resources are available for Monaghan - I am a > newbie to this area. > > Cheers > Karen > Auckland, NZ > >

Hello listers I think I've probably managed to confuse quite a few of you with my first post, because I confuse myself on re-reading my posting. The couple I am searching for are my g-g-grandparents - it is their names and birth dates I gave: John Purdy, farmer, b c 1830 Elizabeth Kelly, b c 1830 Parents of Rose Ann Purdy b 1861 The family were Presbyterian, which is something I should have mentioned. Thanks and regards Karen

Hello everyone I'm new to this list, having been researching family in Co Antrim and Co Tyrone previously, along with Co Down. With most of them are proving elusive to say the least, I often revisit previously researched information, and take a fresh look at it. >From my g-grandmother's death certificate, which is not in itself reliable, it gave her place of birth as Bushmills (Co Antrim), and I have looked for records for years for her family, and haven't managed to actually find any. Her father was John Purdy, a farmer. Her mother Elizabeth Kelly. Recently, on re-re-re-reading info from the 1911 census I came across and John Purdy, wife Elizabeth (this will not be her parents as the ages are incorrect) but both these people were born in Co Monaghan. They gave their children similar first names to those which my g-grandmother gave her children. These include Mabel and Eveline, which whilst not terribly unusual, at least were not Anne and Elizabeth! lol! I would think that dates relating to the couple would be: John Purdy b c 1830 ELizabeth Kelly b c 1830 Rose Ann Purdy, my g-grandmother, was born c 1861. I am keeping an open mind about place of birth after my search, because as previously mentioned it was only listed on her DEATH certificate (which she obviously did not fill in herself :) ). On her marriage certificate she very unhelpfully gives her place of birth as IRELAND :) >From Griffiths I note that there are Kelly and Purdy families in the parish of Muckno. What resources are available for Monaghan - I am a newbie to this area. Cheers Karen Auckland, NZ

If they were Presbyterian, ignore my previous advice, as it was for Catholic records. There appear to have been 4 Presbyterian congregations in Muckno, but I don't know if any filmed by the LDS. Diane

Muckno RC records are on LDS film 0979707, items 4-6, baptisms and marriages 1835-80, too late for the baptisms of John and Elizabeth but should show their marriage and children's baptisms if they were from Muckno. Diane

12th May 1811 William Dawson, aged 22, Cormeen married Jane Beatty, age 19, Cordressigo at Ematris. On 19:59, Steve Gaskill wrote: > Looking for information on William Dawson (b. 1809, Cormeen, Monaghan; m. > 1834, also Cormeen, Monaghan). Anyone know or have leads about who his > parents might be? > > Thanks, > > Steve Gaskill > >

Thanks to Jack Storey, we have some new headstone photos for Monaghan. New additions: Glennan Presbyterian Church Graveyard Drumsnat Church Graveyard Clogh Parish Headstones, border of Fermanagh & Monaghan --more headstones added. Note that Oscar Wilde's half sisters are buried at Drumsnat. Jack took a photo of their headstone. They have a new headstone next to the old illegible one. Jack tells me that the girls died after attending a Social Evening at nearby Drummaconnor House, where their crinoline dresses had caught fire. "Every year, on the anniversary of their deaths, a lady, always dressed in black, came by train to Monaghan Town to visit their grave. We have recently found that this lady was, in fact, the girls' mother, Mary Josephine Travers. The Wilde Family, now living in England, contributed to the cost of the new Wilde Headstone, erected beside the old illegible one." To check out the new headstones - go to http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/index.htm Click on MONAGHAN from the table of counties and then Headstones. Thanks to Jack for taking these photos to share! As always, we need transcribers who can donate maybe an hour to transcribe one of these sets of headstones. This helps our search engine find the names. Christina [email protected]