Thank Cathleen and Dianne I am trawling at the minute and coming up with lots of good information -I will get there I am sure its getting used to different ideas Lovely weekend forecast for Easter in Adelaide -hope its a good one for everyone Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] ; [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 10:22 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 40 As with so much else in Irish genealogy, best thing to do is buy a good book, like Grenham's Tracing Your Irish Ancestors. As for specific terms, try Googling "townland Ireland" for starters. Diane

Every little helps Mark so many thanks Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Shaw" <[email protected]> To: "Pat & Derek Phillips" <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 8:51 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 40 > Hi Pat & Derek, > > Google Maps can be your friend: > http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=d&source=s_d&saddr=Carrickmacross&daddr=killanny&hl=en&geocode=FZCiNwMdpXeZ_ylX9AV5JLJgSDFILV11GLeVBw%3BFelYNwMdb46a_ykff7UvibNgSDEiujC7p8cAJg&mra=ls&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=3.85479,11.634521&ie=UTF8&ll=53.958611,-6.6681&spn=0.029997,0.090895&z=14 > > It shows Killanny being in County Louth, and just a 10minute drive from > Carrickmacross. > > Note that the whole of Northern Ireland (like the rest of the UK) has been > imaged with the StreetView service on Google Maps. Its brilliant! > I dont know when the south of Ireland will be imaged. > > > Hope this helps, > Mark. > Northern Ireland. > > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > From: "Pat & Derek Phillips" <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 9:57 AM > To: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 40 > >> Hello Listers >> I am hoping that via this list I can get some explanations of places etc >> in >> County Monaghan as i am as green as the proverbial grass about Ireland >> I have done English research for a long time but only recently has some >> information given that has prompted more searching >> Could anyone advise how far Killanny is from Carrickmacross and is >> Killanny >> in County Louth or Monaghan >> Also what is a Townland ,is it a town or village or parish within a >> county ? >> Sean your Rooney site is lovely and obviously has been a labor of >> love -well >> done >> Cheers Pat Phillips >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <[email protected]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 5:30 PM >> Subject: IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 40 >> >> >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. 1821 Census Abstracts (Dave Hall) >>> 2. Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan (Beverly Weidinger) >>> 3. Re: Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan (Laurie Thompson) >>> 4. Re: Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan (Marc Rafferty) >>> 5. Re: Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan (Sean Rooney) >>> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>> To contact the IRL-MONAGHAN list administrator, send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> To post a message to the IRL-MONAGHAN mailing list, send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> >>> __________________________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> [email protected] >>> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >>> body >>> of the >>> email with no additional text. >>> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

If there were girls interspersed among the 5 boys and they stayed and married in Ireland, you might find their marriages in the civil marriage index on the familysearch.org pilot site. Registration of non-Catholic marriages began in 1845 and there are two marriages of Barber brides in Monaghan in the index, one in 1846, the other 1848. You might get the registrations, determine the parishes, then hope they've been filmed by the LDS, as that could lead you to the boys' baptisms. Diane

Hello Listers I am hoping that via this list I can get some explanations of places etc in County Monaghan as i am as green as the proverbial grass about Ireland I have done English research for a long time but only recently has some information given that has prompted more searching Could anyone advise how far Killanny is from Carrickmacross and is Killanny in County Louth or Monaghan Also what is a Townland ,is it a town or village or parish within a county ? Sean your Rooney site is lovely and obviously has been a labor of love -well done Cheers Pat Phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 5:30 PM Subject: IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 40 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Today's Topics: > > 1. 1821 Census Abstracts (Dave Hall) > 2. Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan (Beverly Weidinger) > 3. Re: Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan (Laurie Thompson) > 4. Re: Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan (Marc Rafferty) > 5. Re: Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan (Sean Rooney) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > To contact the IRL-MONAGHAN list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRL-MONAGHAN mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. >

Can someone give me good websites to trace some Irish relatives. My husbands ancestors are:Henry Francis(sp) Barber, b. 1809, Monaghan, Ireland; Samuel Barber b. 1811, Monaghan, James, b. 1813, Monaghan, Nathaniel, b. 1817 Monaghan, William Barber(hubbys ancestor) b. 1827 Monaghan, Ireland. William  died in 1875 is first found in Ontario. All 5 boys left Monaghan and moved to Ontario, Canada.

I've done research in Monaghan for a few people, the main problem I have is getting the information in concise form from the person wanting research done. I've had to email them maybe 6 times to get the story straight before even starting looking in order to just get the facts straight on who is who. The history of what they did after arriving in US etc clouds everything, like they had 6 children there, they moved from NY to Boston etc has nothing to do with finding them in Ireland.. What you really need to do is cut everything down to a mimimum..known names, religion, dates, facts etc for their time in Ireland, up to when they landed in US, ship record, etc . Don't forget than an hour or two can't be wasted just trying to get the known facts straight and this is charged for. There's a lot of information already available on line, many people here help as much as possible, so exhaust everything before looking for a researcher, the 1901 census is coming online soon. The less research needed the less it costs! On 31/03/2010 08:00, [email protected] wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. 1821 Census Abstracts (Dave Hall) > 2. Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan (Beverly Weidinger) > 3. Re: Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan (Laurie Thompson) > 4. Re: Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan (Marc Rafferty) > 5. Re: Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan (Sean Rooney) > > > > To contact the IRL-MONAGHAN list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRL-MONAGHAN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 100330-1, 30/03/2010 > Tested on: 31/03/2010 08:14:56 > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > >

As with so much else in Irish genealogy, best thing to do is buy a good book, like Grenham's Tracing Your Irish Ancestors. As for specific terms, try Googling "townland Ireland" for starters. Diane

Beverley . The Uster Historical Foundation in Belfast has some very good researchers . Monaghan was part of Ulster . Email Kathryn McKelvey [email protected] for advice . Laurie Thompson Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Beverly Weidinger To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:36 AM Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan Has anyone used a researcher or other entity to search the NLI or the Clones library in Co. Monaghan for geneaology help? If you have been happy with the results, I would like to know what I could expect. Has anyone used Eneclann's services out of Dublin's Trinity college? Were you pleased with their work and the cost involved? How about the Clones library in regard to research services provided? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Beverly ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Beverley, what information do you already have? There are tons of stuff you can find out yourself now days, let me know what you have already. When I first started out, I paid for a researcher and was very happy with the results. However several years on, as more information has become available online, I look back now and see I could get nearly everything I got back then, online now. Sean www.rooneys-of-roslea.com -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Beverly Weidinger Sent: 30 March 2010 15:37 To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan Has anyone used a researcher or other entity to search the NLI or the Clones library in Co. Monaghan for geneaology help? If you have been happy with the results, I would like to know what I could expect. Has anyone used Eneclann's services out of Dublin's Trinity college? Were you pleased with their work and the cost involved? How about the Clones library in regard to research services provided? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Beverly ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ________________________________________________________________________ This e-mail has been scanned for all viruses by Star. The service is powered by MessageLabs. For more information on a proactive anti-virus service working around the clock, around the globe, visit: http://www.star.net.uk ________________________________________________________________________ This email has been scanned for potential computer viruses using Messagelabs technology.

Beverly, I hired Ulster Ancestry, the group that Laurie mentions in the previous post, to research my Co. Monaghan ancestry. As with MANY failed attempts I have made on my own, they were unable to produce any direct documentation of my Rafferty or Hanratty families from Co. Monaghan. Given that my family immigrated to America in 1845, it may not surprise you that there just wasn't that much information available prior to that time. However, I was prepared to 'grasp at straws' in an attempt to learn more. That being said, I felt they charged a fair price for 12 hours of research, and they produced a comprehensive report of any reference to these surnames that they could locate within the county. If you hire someone, you just accept that you are paying for their services with no guarantees that you will receive that elusive document or record. I wish you much success in your research. Marc Rafferty Oklahoma, USA Descended from Phillip Rafferty and Rose Hanratty Aghalile townland, Magheross Parish, Co. Monaghan -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Laurie Thompson Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2010 3:11 PM To: Beverly Weidinger; [email protected] Cc: Kathryn McKelvey Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan Beverley . The Uster Historical Foundation in Belfast has some very good researchers . Monaghan was part of Ulster . Email Kathryn McKelvey [email protected] for advice . Laurie Thompson Australia ----- Original Message ----- From: Beverly Weidinger To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 1:36 AM Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Looking for a researcher in C. Monaghan Has anyone used a researcher or other entity to search the NLI or the Clones library in Co. Monaghan for geneaology help? If you have been happy with the results, I would like to know what I could expect. Has anyone used Eneclann's services out of Dublin's Trinity college? Were you pleased with their work and the cost involved? How about the Clones library in regard to research services provided? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Beverly ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Has anyone used a researcher or other entity to search the NLI or the Clones library in Co. Monaghan for geneaology help? If you have been happy with the results, I would like to know what I could expect. Has anyone used Eneclann's services out of Dublin's Trinity college? Were you pleased with their work and the cost involved? How about the Clones library in regard to research services provided? Any suggestions would be appreciated. Beverly

Does anyone know if the full transcriptions of Monaghan's 1821 Census abstracts are on line anywhere? I know Clogher Record has some of them but they are far from complete. Thanks.

Many thanks Cathleen any little bit of information is valuable as I really am new on Irish research I am however wondering where your surname Toft comes from as I have a Toft tree from Sunderland /Murton ( mining area way ) Thanks for the kind wishes too Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 9:47 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] McCullagh & McPhillips Surnames Hi Pat My grandmother was born in Tullyraine which is in Killanny Parish, There was another church which was in Tullyraine until about 1930 and then the new church was built. (I am thinking of the Catholic Church but can't remember the new of it). Should know as I went the church in about 1960, when I was young. Can't help with your family but at least there was another church in the Parish. I know live in England so I can't help with Mc Cullagh and Mc Phillips. I wish you well in your search. Cathleen Toft

That's good Sean I am not sure what is shown on Irish marriage records are they similar to English ones ? Have not heard of tithe applotments can you tell me what they are please and if there is a weblink Thanks Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Rooney" <[email protected]> To: "Pat & Derek Phillips" <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 6:05 PM Subject: RE: [IRL-MONAGHAN] McCullagh & McPhillips Surnames Pat, another thing. The marriage record should have the parents names on it. See what turns up when you get the document. Sean Ps. Have you looked at the tithe applotments ? -----Original Message----- From: Pat & Derek Phillips [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 March 2010 08:33 To: Sean Rooney; [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] McCullagh & McPhillips Surnames Thanks Sean will bear that in mind -have found so many branches on trees by looking at witnesses name every snippet helps Must say this info is a major breakthrough and we ( I am working on the tree with my husbands cousin from Sunderland ) are hoping we can get back even further now Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Rooney" <[email protected]> To: "Pat & Derek Phillips" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:48 PM Subject: RE: [IRL-MONAGHAN] McCullagh & McPhillips Surnames Hi Pat, the marriage witness is more likely to have been a brother of Catherine's and his wife. Sean www.rooneys-of-roslea.com -----Original Message----- From: Pat & Derek Phillips [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 March 2010 02:16 To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] McCullagh & McPhillips Surnames Hello listers I am new to this site as I have only recently been able to trace the marriage of John McPhillips Native of Killanny married Catherine McCullah on 17th September 1840. Witnesses were John McCullagh & Catherine McCullagh. ( possibly Cathereines parents ?) This information has kindly been passed on by the Priest at St Josephs and we have as yet to get an actual copy of the document John and Catherine around 1840-41 emigrated to Sunderland in the North East of England - I have a family tree that I will happily share with anyone who thinks it might be in thier line I also wondered if there was a previous church to St Josephs as on checking a website I think it said it was built about 1860's and the marriage was well before that I live in Australia so hands on research is hard -can anyone offer any advice or information please Also following the entry for John was a William McCullagh married Annie Daly on 19th February 1843. Witnesses were Peter & Brigid Collins Cheers Pat Phillips . This email has been scanned for potential computer viruses using Messagelabs technology. This email has been scanned for potential computer viruses using Messagelabs technology.

Thanks Sean will bear that in mind -have found so many branches on trees by looking at witnesses name every snippet helps Must say this info is a major breakthrough and we ( I am working on the tree with my husbands cousin from Sunderland ) are hoping we can get back even further now Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Rooney" <[email protected]> To: "Pat & Derek Phillips" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, March 29, 2010 5:48 PM Subject: RE: [IRL-MONAGHAN] McCullagh & McPhillips Surnames Hi Pat, the marriage witness is more likely to have been a brother of Catherine's and his wife. Sean www.rooneys-of-roslea.com -----Original Message----- From: Pat & Derek Phillips [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 March 2010 02:16 To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] McCullagh & McPhillips Surnames Hello listers I am new to this site as I have only recently been able to trace the marriage of John McPhillips Native of Killanny married Catherine McCullah on 17th September 1840. Witnesses were John McCullagh & Catherine McCullagh. ( possibly Cathereines parents ?) This information has kindly been passed on by the Priest at St Josephs and we have as yet to get an actual copy of the document John and Catherine around 1840-41 emigrated to Sunderland in the North East of England - I have a family tree that I will happily share with anyone who thinks it might be in thier line I also wondered if there was a previous church to St Josephs as on checking a website I think it said it was built about 1860's and the marriage was well before that I live in Australia so hands on research is hard -can anyone offer any advice or information please Also following the entry for John was a William McCullagh married Annie Daly on 19th February 1843. Witnesses were Peter & Brigid Collins Cheers Pat Phillips . This email has been scanned for potential computer viruses using Messagelabs technology.

Hello listers I am new to this site as I have only recently been able to trace the marriage of John McPhillips Native of Killanny married Catherine McCullah on 17th September 1840. Witnesses were John McCullagh & Catherine McCullagh. ( possibly Cathereines parents ?) This information has kindly been passed on by the Priest at St Josephs and we have as yet to get an actual copy of the document John and Catherine around 1840-41 emigrated to Sunderland in the North East of England - I have a family tree that I will happily share with anyone who thinks it might be in thier line I also wondered if there was a previous church to St Josephs as on checking a website I think it said it was built about 1860's and the marriage was well before that I live in Australia so hands on research is hard -can anyone offer any advice or information please Also following the entry for John was a William McCullagh married Annie Daly on 19th February 1843. Witnesses were Peter & Brigid Collins Cheers Pat Phillips .

Hi Pat, the marriage witness is more likely to have been a brother of Catherine's and his wife. Sean www.rooneys-of-roslea.com -----Original Message----- From: Pat & Derek Phillips [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: 29 March 2010 02:16 To: [email protected] Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] McCullagh & McPhillips Surnames Hello listers I am new to this site as I have only recently been able to trace the marriage of John McPhillips Native of Killanny married Catherine McCullah on 17th September 1840. Witnesses were John McCullagh & Catherine McCullagh. ( possibly Cathereines parents ?) This information has kindly been passed on by the Priest at St Josephs and we have as yet to get an actual copy of the document John and Catherine around 1840-41 emigrated to Sunderland in the North East of England - I have a family tree that I will happily share with anyone who thinks it might be in thier line I also wondered if there was a previous church to St Josephs as on checking a website I think it said it was built about 1860's and the marriage was well before that I live in Australia so hands on research is hard -can anyone offer any advice or information please Also following the entry for John was a William McCullagh married Annie Daly on 19th February 1843. Witnesses were Peter & Brigid Collins Cheers Pat Phillips . This email has been scanned for potential computer viruses using Messagelabs technology.

A very welcome addition! Does anyone know if the full transcriptions of Monaghan's 1821 Census abstracts are on line anywhere? I know Clogher Record has some of them but they are far from complete. Thanks. On 19:59, Pat Connors wrote: > I scanned the 1659 Census, sometimes referred to as Pendar's Census, > for County Monaghan and put it online on the Monaghan section of my > website. >

I scanned the 1659 Census, sometimes referred to as Pendar's Census, for County Monaghan and put it online on the Monaghan section of my website. -- Pat Connors, Sacramento CA http://www.connorsgenealogy.com

Very very few records were kept and usually only if there were mishaps, there were numerous routes with many just getting a lift on a trawler etc. On 19:59, Johann Willis wrote: > Can anyone tell me if there are records kept of passengers travelling > from Monaghan to North Shields UK? Also what would have been the route > a family would have taken from Carrickmacross to get to North Shields > between 1865-1874. Many thanks. Johanna > >