Re: great-great grandfather Bernard McKenna (circa 1851-1905) of Feebaghbane, Tydavnet and his wife Mary McKenna (nee Cassidy / Carsley / Cassley - there are various spellings) born circa 1850. I've found out that Bernard had three siblings; Catherine, Mary and Francis and that his parents were Edward McKenna (of Drumsheaver - dates unknown) and Ellen McKenna (nee Sherry - also of Drumsheaver - dates unknown). ------------- Elaine, Recommend that you put this enquiry also on the Fermanagh Gold site at [email protected] . The Tydavnet area of Monaghan and the Roslea area of Fermanagh were/are closely linked for family connections. James

That's wonderful Dave, thank you. Please please forgive my ignorance (but this is all a bit new to me) - what does LDS stand for? Elaine -------------------------------------------------- From: "Dave Hall" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 11:22 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 98 > Well their religion would help as you'll need church records. > > LDS have films for1821 census abstracts for Monaghan County parishes of > Donagh, Kilmore, Tydavnet (and possibly others). Provides names, ages, > and occupation for all family members and servants, and sometimes > identifies property size > > * plus Miscellaneous Land Records, County Monaghan 1704-1873 > > * and Miscellaneous Land Records From County Monaghan deeds, leases, > title abstracts, marriage settlements, etc . > > www.nli.ie has lots of stuff but you need to look for Wills etc using > various keywords like names or townlands. > > http://irishheritagegroups.com/blog/2010/03/31/mapping-of-memorials-at-tydavnet-old-graveyard/#more-7 > > > > > > > > On 15/08/2010 08:00, [email protected] wrote: >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. McKenna Family of Tydavnet and Drumsheaver (Scott) >> >> >> >> To contact the IRL-MONAGHAN list administrator, send an email to >> [email protected] >> >> To post a message to the IRL-MONAGHAN mailing list, send an email to >> [email protected] >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> >> >> >> --- >> avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. >> Virus Database (VPS): 100814-1, 14/08/2010 >> Tested on: 15/08/2010 10:20:38 >> avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. >> http://www.avast.com >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Well their religion would help as you'll need church records. LDS have films for1821 census abstracts for Monaghan County parishes of Donagh, Kilmore, Tydavnet (and possibly others). Provides names, ages, and occupation for all family members and servants, and sometimes identifies property size * plus Miscellaneous Land Records, County Monaghan 1704-1873 * and Miscellaneous Land Records From County Monaghan deeds, leases, title abstracts, marriage settlements, etc . www.nli.ie has lots of stuff but you need to look for Wills etc using various keywords like names or townlands. http://irishheritagegroups.com/blog/2010/03/31/mapping-of-memorials-at-tydavnet-old-graveyard/#more-7 On 15/08/2010 08:00, [email protected] wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. McKenna Family of Tydavnet and Drumsheaver (Scott) > > > > To contact the IRL-MONAGHAN list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRL-MONAGHAN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 100814-1, 14/08/2010 > Tested on: 15/08/2010 10:20:38 > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > >

Hello, Question: if I know the reference (Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Genealogical Office: Ms.169, pp.132-3) how can I get the document? I am in Arizona, USA... does anyone know if this is available at another source? Thank you, Lynne (nee Lucas) -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Dave Hall Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 3:23 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 98 Well their religion would help as you'll need church records. LDS have films for1821 census abstracts for Monaghan County parishes of Donagh, Kilmore, Tydavnet (and possibly others). Provides names, ages, and occupation for all family members and servants, and sometimes identifies property size * plus Miscellaneous Land Records, County Monaghan 1704-1873 * and Miscellaneous Land Records From County Monaghan deeds, leases, title abstracts, marriage settlements, etc . www.nli.ie has lots of stuff but you need to look for Wills etc using various keywords like names or townlands. http://irishheritagegroups.com/blog/2010/03/31/mapping-of-memorials-at-tydav net-old-graveyard/#more-7 On 15/08/2010 08:00, [email protected] wrote: > Today's Topics: > > 1. McKenna Family of Tydavnet and Drumsheaver (Scott) > > > > To contact the IRL-MONAGHAN list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the IRL-MONAGHAN mailing list, send an email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > > > > --- > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. > Virus Database (VPS): 100814-1, 14/08/2010 > Tested on: 15/08/2010 10:20:38 > avast! - copyright (c) 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. > http://www.avast.com > > > > > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Firstly, may I thank Sean Rooney and Ann Harvey for their kind help when I began my research. The advice was very much appreciated. I'm writing to see if anyone has any advice on how I can progress my research as I've come to a bit of a stand-still. Does anyone know how it is possible to further your research beyond the 1901 Irish Census in order to go further back a generation? I would dearly love to visit Monaghan in person but it's just not possible and few Monaghan records seem to be available on-line. I've managed to trace my great-great grandfather Bernard McKenna (circa 1851-1905) of Feebaghbane, Tydavnet and his wife Mary McKenna (nee Cassidy / Carsley / Cassley - there are various spellings) born circa 1850. I've found out that Bernard had three siblings; Catherine, Mary and Francis and that his parents were Edward McKenna (of Drumsheaver - dates unknown) and Ellen McKenna (nee Sherry - also of Drumsheaver - dates unknown). It would be wonderful to be able to find out more about Edward and Ellen but I'm not sure where to look. Can anyone help? Also, has anyone had any success contacting Monaghan Ancestry? ([email protected]). I've e-mailed a couple of times but unfortunately I've had no response so far. Maybe I should concede and hand this over to a professional... Any advice would be greatly appreciated! Elaine McKenna (I've had to change my e-mail address because for some reason all messages fail to send from my other address...strange)

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A year or so ago I tried to track down some marriages for male Johnston relatives in Co. Monaghan. By the 1860s they were Catholic, but they'd reportedly been Protestant earlier, so I ordered pre-1864 marriages as well as post- for Johnstons with given names that ran in the family--John, James, Edward, and Henry. I have a total of 29, mostly from Castleblaney district, a few each from Bailieborough, Dundalk, Cootehill, and one each Cavan, Clones, and Carrickmacross. The years span 1845 through 1879. They didn't turn out to be mine, but if these names and places match up with anyone's ancestors, I'd be happy to check the registrations I have so they don't go to waste. It's an ill wind that blows no good! Diane

Moncrief is a Scottish name, and familysearch.org entries suggest they were Presbyterian, so they probably came from further north in Ulster down to Monaghan. Spotten mostly an Ulster name, and given the abundance of William Spottens in the Griffith's index, I suspect of English origins. If you know their religion in Pennsylvania, that may guide you to some Irish church records--Anglican, Methodist, or Presbyterian. Church records are your best bet for the time period you want to search. If it's any comfort, you're lucky to have traced them back as far as you have. Diane

I am having no success in tracing my James Ford, born about 1822 in Monaghan (according to his marriage certificate and the birth certificates of his children). He married Ellen Butler of Tipperary, in St. Francis' Church, Melbourne, on 22 April 1844. Their children were born in Geelong, Victoria, the first child being Jane, born in 1845. The girls later married in Ballarat, Victoria. There are 5 or 6 James Fords in Victoria in the same time, varying from miners, turnkeys, carters, graziers, surgeons etc. I have not been able to find a death for either my Ellen or my James. Also, on Saturday 15 Jul 2000 a message was posted by "Robyn from Oz" (with an email address which is no longer valid): Am looking for further information re a James Ford who married Prudentia Hook., had a daughter Eliza b. 1819 in Ballyboy Co, Monaghan. Only other info is the family migrated to Australia on the "Strathfieldsaye" in 1840. Many thanks Robyn from Oz.. I am very anxious to get in touch with Robyn, if anyone can help. We seem to be claiming the same James Ford on the Strathfieldsaye. Many thanks Jenny

I am having no success in tracing my 2nd great-grandparents – CATHERINE MONCRIEF and JOHN SPOTTEN. CATHERINE was b. abt 1813 in Monaghan m. JOHN SPOTTEN(unk date)in Monaghan They had 3 children while in Monaghan 1 – Robert - b. abt. 1844 2 – Anne Jane – b. 9 July 1847 3 – John Jr.- January 1852 and 4- Susan - b. November 1855 in Phoenixville, PA. JOHN SPOTTEN came to Philadelphia December 15, 1851 on the “Mary Pleasant” from Liverpool. CAHTERINE MONCRIEF SPOTTEN – Arrived, with the 3 children, in Philadelphia 26, October 1852 on the Ship "Kalamazoo". from Liverpool' Reason for MONAGHAN being underlined and in italics is that after many years of researching this family, I am wondering whether they were actually from Monaghan. Irish, yes – Monaghan ?. I was told, by an outstanding Irish researcher, that is from where they came. He even included a map Along the way, many people have tried to help givingme addresses of Spottens in Monaghan to whom I have written…….No answers………Asmost genealogist, I would like to get back another generation……-------HELP IS REALLY NEEDED------------------…vldg

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Is it possible for me to get a death certificate of someone who died in 1912? I have the name and date of death. This person died in BELFAST and was then brought home to Errigal Truagh. thank-you Karen.

Look up the death on the familysearch.org pilot search, jot down the date, place, volume, and page number, then order from the GRO (groireland.ie) for 4 euros. Diane

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Hi List, Would like to say thanks to Fran Luby and Sean Rooney for their earlier help and advice. I have a few more questions that I believe the list maybe can help me with. Is there a way of accessing the BDM indexes from 1864 onwards that are held in Abbey Street, Dublin without going to Dublin? (I am in Scotland) Is there a way of ordering a +1864 BDM entry from GRO Ireland online, or do I have to use the form from GRO Ireland website and send it by post to Roscommon? Thanks Colin

Sorry for the confused last sentence, second para. It should have read: "That way you will have the name of this Patrick's father who is likely the father your John." James ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Mullan" <[email protected]> To: "Diana Benoit" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2010 3:11 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Surname McCague > Re: GGrandfather John C. McCague. I'm told he was born in Derrilla, > Tydavnet (or is it Tydevnet?), > ---------------------------------- > These McCagues were Catholics. > If you look at the 1911 census for Cloghernagh in Monaghan you will find a > Patrick McCague and a Rose McCague (brother and sister) who match your > information. Patrick age 52 and Rose age 54. Cloghernagh is very, very > close to Derrilla...the adjacent townland. So across the fields. > > This Patrick said he was married eight years, so about 1902-1903 and his > wife was Annie. So look in the marriage indices for Patrick McCague > married > in 1902-1903 and see if you can get a better fix on the marriage date. > With > that information, or even without it, send to Roscommon asking for a > corresponding marriage cert. That way you will have the name of this > Patrick's father who is likely your John. > > There were no McCagues in Derrilla in 1862, but there was a Michael and an > Owen in Cloghernagh. A good bet is that the family spread into both > townlands, and that Michael or Owen was the father of your John. Good > luck. > > James

Re: GGrandfather John C. McCague. I'm told he was born in Derrilla, Tydavnet (or is it Tydevnet?), ---------------------------------- These McCagues were Catholics. If you look at the 1911 census for Cloghernagh in Monaghan you will find a Patrick McCague and a Rose McCague (brother and sister) who match your information. Patrick age 52 and Rose age 54. Cloghernagh is very, very close to Derrilla...the adjacent townland. So across the fields. This Patrick said he was married eight years, so about 1902-1903 and his wife was Annie. So look in the marriage indices for Patrick McCague married in 1902-1903 and see if you can get a better fix on the marriage date. With that information, or even without it, send to Roscommon asking for a corresponding marriage cert. That way you will have the name of this Patrick's father who is likely your John. There were no McCagues in Derrilla in 1862, but there was a Michael and an Owen in Cloghernagh. A good bet is that the family spread into both townlands, and that Michael or Owen was the father of your John. Good luck. James

Most of the BMD indexes are on the familysearch.org pilot search. In terms of the actual registrations, births for 1864-81, 1900-13, and 1930-55 have been filmed by the LDS, along with marriages and deaths for 1864-70. For other years, you'll have to go through the GRO. You can order from them on line, but I've always used the mail. Diane

My ancestor, James McCrory born about 1813 in County Monaghan went to Liverpool and became a tailor and met and married Sarah Lee before 1837 which is when they both immigrated to the U.S. Several other McCrorys did the same. It sounds like many young men left Monaghan and apprenticed as tailors. Can anyone comment on this phenomenom of leaving Monaghan and becoming tailors in Liverpool, London or elsewhere? All the best, Nick Cimino From: [email protected] Subject: IRL-MONAGHAN Digest, Vol 5, Issue 91 To: [email protected] Date: Mon, 2 Aug 2010 01:00:30 -0600 --Forwarded Message Attachment-- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 18:22:54 -0400 Subject: [IRL-MONAGHAN] Surname McCague Hello, I'm new to the list, but have read some of the archives. I'm sure I will find help here. I've just started to research my GGrandfather John C. McCague. I'm told he was born in Derrilla, Tydavnet (or is it Tydevnet?), Monaghan, Ireland on Dec 24, 1862. However, I cannot find who his parents might be. I do know he had a brother names Patrick born in 1853, and a sister named Rose born in 1857, but that's it. John was sent to London, England when he was around 10 or 12 years old to apprentice to become a tailor, and there met and married my GGrandmother. I'm not sure how to proceed in finding those who came before him, so would appreciate any guidance anyone can give. I do not know if he was Protestant or Catholic. I'm excited to belong to the list, and I'm sure I'll be learning a lot! Diana in Fort Lauderdale, FL USA

Hello, I'm new to the list, but have read some of the archives. I'm sure I will find help here. I've just started to research my GGrandfather John C. McCague. I'm told he was born in Derrilla, Tydavnet (or is it Tydevnet?), Monaghan, Ireland on Dec 24, 1862. However, I cannot find who his parents might be. I do know he had a brother names Patrick born in 1853, and a sister named Rose born in 1857, but that's it. John was sent to London, England when he was around 10 or 12 years old to apprentice to become a tailor, and there met and married my GGrandmother. I'm not sure how to proceed in finding those who came before him, so would appreciate any guidance anyone can give. I do not know if he was Protestant or Catholic. I'm excited to belong to the list, and I'm sure I'll be learning a lot! Diana in Fort Lauderdale, FL USA