----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> >Extract: > The people you are dealing with are IRISH for heavens sakes. Take it from > one who knows, it takes them a litttle time to get things done and you could > wait from one week to one year. Cara, you are WRONG, and your remark borders on racist. The Irish are as capable and sophisticated as the rest of the western world, and believe me I am also "one who knows" through being a constant visitor on business between Wales, where I live and work, and highly technical and capable manufacturing concerns in both Northern Ireland and the Irish Republic. I am able to do this because Ryanair flights from Cardiff are fast (35 minutes duration), efficient and geared up for today's business practices Your remark suggesting that we "adopt the Irish way of life and just ease down" beggars belief. If these people don't respond to requests for information then they are simply inefficient and that inefficiency needs addressing. It is not because they are "Irish for Heaven's sakes" as you rather clumsily put it. They have the capabilities and certainly the technology to turn genealogy into an efficient, respected and potentially revenue-generating industry and I am at a loss to work out why they haven't done so. But it's certainly not merely because they are "IRISH". In my home in Wales I have access to a Monmouthshire "heritage centre", as I do in Gloucestershire, Devonshire, Bristol and as far as I know in every other British county. In each I have access to libraries, microfilm, microfiche, photocopying and in many cases the original records themselves. I am used to a 'search room' where I can book a viewer and work at my own speed guided by knowlegeable and enthusiastic staff and it doesn't cost the earth either - if it costs anything at all. I went to Trim expecting the same and was very sadly disappointed by the sheer amateurism of the facility on offer. Their website is misleading in this respect and their charges very high for a second rate service. Describing this sort of fiasco as representative of the nation's overall characteristics is just plain offensive. The use of terms such as your wanting us to be "aware what it's like in Ireland - NO ONES in a hurry" doesn't describe the fast moving hi-tech Ireland I deal with. If that attitude is encountered, then a backside deserves to be kicked and you do this by complaining LOUDLY at senior management or government minister level, not by sitting meekly back and waiting for up to year during which time your money is accruing interest in their accounts. Bryan Morgan --------/!\________/!\-------------------------------//|\\=====//|\\----- From border Monmouthshire, between the Severn Bridges... ----- Original Message ----- From: "Cara_Links" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 1:31 AM Subject: [MEATH] Attention Meath researchers > Please folk this is getting a little beyond control letters to Bishops and > cross purpsoes about delayed answers ......this is not good enough... > > The people you are dealing with are IRISH for heavens sakes take it from > one who knows it takes them a litttle time to get things done and you could > wait from one week to one year this I know___ I have worked with the very > same people you are talking about........but eventually a letter arrrived. > > One step at a time you must be aware that this is the busiest time of their > year its the summer time no matter how awful the summer is there it is > summer the amount of American Australian etc tourists that are there now > researching their ancestors have put a monumental task on their staff > .........they do not increase it because it summer as like all places that > are gene places a lot are run on voluntary basis...... > > It took the Meath and Cavan people seven months to get back to me/ > eventually but they did it takes the Wicklow County Heritage Center up to a > year sometimes to assess you their back log is imense and also the staff is > small. What I see as a problem in most of these places is a staffing > problem. > > The other thing I need to point out to you all is this ........we expect our > information yesterday not tomorrow and because we have the time to sit here > writing emails and swapping ideas they indeed are working people ( not that > I am saying that there are not amongst us here working people no offence > meant there).......... > > So folks instead of deciding that someone has taken you money and are > ignoring you adopt the Irish way of life and just ease down and wait now > if you havent received anything as in Pauls case in a few weeks its time to > write a meaningful letter to the person he sent it to as he may well have > passed it to a very over burdened worker who is right this minute hunting > details .........in a back room while the front door bell is ringing and the > liune is growing......... > > Have any of you ever gone to the BDM in Dublin and gotten a certificate I > have the line just keeps on growing for blocks .........so imagine what its > like when a tired little worker suddenly appears at her desk and all these > mails are there all wanitng a certificate a look up advice and her pile of > mail keeps growing ,,,,, > > Sorry folks have held you up long enough just wanted you to be aware what > its like in Ireland NO ONES in a hurry but I love them all dearlyu > Cara > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > We can have FUN with this list. Interesting history was centered there, like for example, Meath was a Province of Ireland, but the King didn't play well with the Kings next door, so he and his kindom was ousted. >

If you sent a US Postal Money Order it can be cashed, but the fee is very high. >From: "B Young" <[email protected]> >Reply-To: [email protected] >To: [email protected] >Subject: Re: [MEATH] Meath Libraries >Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2002 08:31:26 +1200 > >Hi Paul > >As you can see below, I have had a similar experience to you. A US money >order should have been okay in Ireland, as I was recently sent one here to >New Zealand and had no trouble cashing it. > >Beryl > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Paul E. Dowling" <[email protected]> >To: <[email protected]> >Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 12:20 AM >Subject: RE: [MEATH] Meath Libraries > > > > I hope you don't mind my commiseration, folks. My personal experience >won't > > brighten the prognosis. Roughly six months ago, I nice young lady in >LAOIS, > > perhaps a cousin, contacted the parish priest, in Oldcastle. He promised >her > > that, if contacted, he would research a family member. I followed up >with >an > > explicit letter, mentioning his offer to the young lady, the family >members > > name, and a small donation. The donation was in the form of a pre-paid >money > > order, is US dollars. > > > > No response, so far. > > > > Frankly, I'm quite naive when it comes to international/European money, >and > > maybe my payment methods became null, in Ireland. But I haven't even >heard > > back, if that was the case. I guess there's hundreds of non-sinister >reasons > > why I've no response, but I tell you true, I'm disappointed. > > > > Paul > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: B Young [mailto:[email protected]] > > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 4:12 AM > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [MEATH] Meath Libraries > > > > > > Hi Eileen > > > > No I didn't send a check (New Zealand dollars are no use there) but a >reply > > coupon for postage. Both my 2xgt grandparents died here in New Zealand >in > > 1895 and 1899, and I have both their certs; neither mentions who their > > parents were. I am just out of luck, because by about 1905 they had to >name > > the parents, but not before that. By other means (navy muster rolls of >1805) > > I have found his father's name, but still don't know his mother's. It >is > > quite frustrating, as my 2 x gt grandfather left a wonderful >autobiography, > > but he always refers to his parents as 'my mother' or 'my father' and >his > > brothers as 'my brother' etc, never by name. > > > > All the best > > Beryl > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:31 PM > > Subject: Re: [MEATH] Meath Libraries > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Beryl, > > > > > > I'm just curious did you send the local parish a check? I did. So >maybe > > > i'll get a reply. Do you have your ggrandparents death certificates? I > > don't > > > know what they're like in NZ. But in the states they name the parents >of > > the > > > deceased. I hope you find > > > what your looking for! Thank You for the reply. > > > > > > Take care Eileen > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > > > In your search for records, keep in mind that in old Ireland, borders >for > > provinces, baronies, counties, archdiocese, diocese and townlands moved >with > > swings of the battle axe. Check nearby places for records. > > > > > > > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > > Visit The Roscommon Database for uncommon records: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlros/ > > > > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > > This list is for everyone with a genealogical interest in County Meath. > > County Meath website is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmea2/ > > Ireland Project Website: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ > > > > >==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== >Visit The Roscommon Database for uncommon records: >http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlros/ > _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com

Hi good folks all, Just a word in defense of Meath Heritage Cent and Noel French. I have used them very successfullly via mail to get a list of my ggf John Burn born in 1821 and the tithe list for that time . I have also given them a list of Byrne (Burns) I extracted from the 1821 Census of Upper and Lower Navan--the only sections that escaped the 1922 fire. Mr French was very helpful.

6 Jul 02 Agree 100 percent! Have been to Ireland six times. Have researched in the archives in Dublin, the Heritage Centers in County Clare, Leitrim and Donegal. I have visited many graveyards searching for ancestors. I have also met with a number of pastors who were very cooperative but they have too many parishioners to take care of (believe me even the Irish are experience a shortage of priests) and not enough time to research Americans requestors expecting instant gratification to their questions.

Hi Eileen No I didn't send a check (New Zealand dollars are no use there) but a reply coupon for postage. Both my 2xgt grandparents died here in New Zealand in 1895 and 1899, and I have both their certs; neither mentions who their parents were. I am just out of luck, because by about 1905 they had to name the parents, but not before that. By other means (navy muster rolls of 1805) I have found his father's name, but still don't know his mother's. It is quite frustrating, as my 2 x gt grandfather left a wonderful autobiography, but he always refers to his parents as 'my mother' or 'my father' and his brothers as 'my brother' etc, never by name. All the best Beryl ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [MEATH] Meath Libraries > > > Hi Beryl, > > I'm just curious did you send the local parish a check? I did. So maybe > i'll get a reply. Do you have your ggrandparents death certificates? I don't > know what they're like in NZ. But in the states they name the parents of the > deceased. I hope you find > what your looking for! Thank You for the reply. > > Take care Eileen > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > In your search for records, keep in mind that in old Ireland, borders for provinces, baronies, counties, archdiocese, diocese and townlands moved with swings of the battle axe. Check nearby places for records. >

I read your earlier post, Beryl. That, and a few others, on the list made me comment. For all I know, maybe the thing never even made it to Ireland. I have no clue. Paul -----Original Message----- From: B Young [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 4:31 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MEATH] Meath Libraries Hi Paul As you can see below, I have had a similar experience to you. A US money order should have been okay in Ireland, as I was recently sent one here to New Zealand and had no trouble cashing it. Beryl ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul E. Dowling" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 12:20 AM Subject: RE: [MEATH] Meath Libraries > I hope you don't mind my commiseration, folks. My personal experience won't > brighten the prognosis. Roughly six months ago, I nice young lady in LAOIS, > perhaps a cousin, contacted the parish priest, in Oldcastle. He promised her > that, if contacted, he would research a family member. I followed up with an > explicit letter, mentioning his offer to the young lady, the family members > name, and a small donation. The donation was in the form of a pre-paid money > order, is US dollars. > > No response, so far. > > Frankly, I'm quite naive when it comes to international/European money, and > maybe my payment methods became null, in Ireland. But I haven't even heard > back, if that was the case. I guess there's hundreds of non-sinister reasons > why I've no response, but I tell you true, I'm disappointed. > > Paul > > -----Original Message----- > From: B Young [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 4:12 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MEATH] Meath Libraries > > > Hi Eileen > > No I didn't send a check (New Zealand dollars are no use there) but a reply > coupon for postage. Both my 2xgt grandparents died here in New Zealand in > 1895 and 1899, and I have both their certs; neither mentions who their > parents were. I am just out of luck, because by about 1905 they had to name > the parents, but not before that. By other means (navy muster rolls of 1805) > I have found his father's name, but still don't know his mother's. It is > quite frustrating, as my 2 x gt grandfather left a wonderful autobiography, > but he always refers to his parents as 'my mother' or 'my father' and his > brothers as 'my brother' etc, never by name. > > All the best > Beryl > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:31 PM > Subject: Re: [MEATH] Meath Libraries > > > > > > > > Hi Beryl, > > > > I'm just curious did you send the local parish a check? I did. So maybe > > i'll get a reply. Do you have your ggrandparents death certificates? I > don't > > know what they're like in NZ. But in the states they name the parents of > the > > deceased. I hope you find > > what your looking for! Thank You for the reply. > > > > Take care Eileen > > > > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > > In your search for records, keep in mind that in old Ireland, borders for > provinces, baronies, counties, archdiocese, diocese and townlands moved with > swings of the battle axe. Check nearby places for records. > > > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > Visit The Roscommon Database for uncommon records: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlros/ > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > This list is for everyone with a genealogical interest in County Meath. > County Meath website is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmea2/ > Ireland Project Website: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== Visit The Roscommon Database for uncommon records: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlros/

I was wondering if you could assist me. I sent money to the local parish in Kilskyre and haven't received a reply yet. I sent money on June 16 and I am concerned. Others have stated in their e-mails that they also sent money to the local Parish in Meath but have received nothing for several months. Is this a common occurance or do they send these requests to you for research? Please advise. Also do you do such research and what are the costs. I would appreciate any assistance that you can provide. About how long does it take to get a response from the Parish or research organization? I may need this service in the future and I wish to avoid needless delays. I am researching my great grandparents and this is a matter of Irish American pride in researching my roots. If you require my name and address, please respond with an address and point of contact and I will mail it to you. Thank you. Eileen

DAY.. Im still grinning like an eejit I used to be on the buses... about 95 years ago.. My driver was asked are you going to Golders Green No he answered just Childs Hill, 'victim' said It says Golders green on the front he saith Its says Drink Bovril on the side but we dont have any... regards Josi My newsletters, including Volume nine, are at: www.jgeoghegan.org.uk and at: www.btinternet.com/~finty/

Hi I have dealt with Meath Heritage Centre for some time in connection with my wife's ancestry and have found them excellent. No hesitations in recommending them. Chris French ... [email protected] from Greater Manchester United Kingdom Genealogy Interests FRENCH Family Ancestors http://www.frenchfamily.info/famtree.htm mainly Essex and Norfolk in England Hay TEELING descendants http://www.frenchfamily.info/famtee3.htm Thomas TEELING descendants http://www.frenchfamily.info/famtee4.htm

I sent this to this list recently, and in view of recent correspondence I think it's worth repeating! ================================== "Last year I contacted the Meath Heritage Centre in Trim, and a delightful lady sent me a whole pile of printouts, including photocopies of the census form that was filled in by grandfather Anthony Melvin in 1901. It also bears his signature which we find very emotive. The Melvin family were (and still are) protestants and their records are based on Loughcrew Church near Oldcastle, now sold and closed, in bad repair and looks unwanted. Even the memorials which adorned the walls inside the building have been removed and now form part of the old churchyard wall. They were never designed for being exhibited externally and appear to be degrading rapidly. I think it's better to deal with the Heritage Centre by mail rather than personal visit, because when I went there in mid-June 2002, just a few rainy weeks ago, I was disappointed to find that it's only a small office, hidden well away in the town hall in Mill Street near the castle, and the reception wasn't very warm or helpful! Crazily, they only keep the 1901 census there - the 1911 follow-on is in Dublin! Mystifyingly, some distance away, just across the river bridge, there is a substantial building described very boldly as the "Trim Visitors Centre", and which bears a large and colourful sign advertising the "Meath Genealogical Centre". I went in to the reception to enquire, but the two girls there had never heard of it (even though the sign was just outside above their office window) and had to make a phone call to find out where it was... The phone call revealed that the "Meath Genealogical Centre" and the "Meath Heritage Centre" are the same place. "So why", I asked, "is it very colourfully and prominently advertised on your wall outside if it's not here and you've never heard of it?" A reasonable question I thought. However, the answer - a real classic this one - was that "The sign just tells you we've got one, it doesn't say it's here". Go figure! If anybody connected with the Meath Heritage Centre reads this, will they please send a note to the list stating where exactly they are and what are REALLY able to offer? I wasted a whole day getting to Trim and back. ================================== Best wishes fellow researchers Bryan Morgan Researching Melvin and Bowers --------/!\________/!\-------------------------------//|\\=====//|\\----- >From border Monmouthshire, between the Severn Bridges... Saved - the old Severn Ferry! Follow her restoration at http://www.severnprincess.co.uk A picture of South Wales village life: The Caerwent Community website at http://www.caerwentcom.com Monmouthshire as it was a century ago in a 1901 Kelly's Trade Directory: http://www.kellys1901.co.uk

and small donation failed to elicit a reply from a Meath parish, Irish postages were kept by the library, and the County Library referred me to the Heritage center . Somehow...I get the feeling they don't DO family History unless perhaps Mammon is in charge. josi My newsletters, including Volume nine, are at: www.jgeoghegan.org.uk and at: www.btinternet.com/~finty/

Wow! It sure is more appealing. Thanx for the email address. In what they sent you, were you able to confirm that individual persons were those you were seeking, say someone who immigrated to another country? Thanx, Paul -----Original Message----- From: Fay Finn [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 9:36 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [MEATH] Meath Heritage Centre I recently contacted the Meath Heritage & Genealogy Centre by email at [email protected] because on their website (which does NOT list the email address, by the way) they have a form you can print and fill in with your request and a payment amount, but listed no means by which they would accept payment. I included in the email note what I was looking for. In a day or two I received a reply saying they could research my family (they gave a different, higher cost), and that they would take a personal check from the US. I sent it in, and already I have what I was looking for, plus a little bit more. A kind lister provided me with the email address. Because I asked about someday making a trip there, they let me know that the office was confined and they could not accommodate researchers. They did say, however, that they have indexed all the parish records for County Meath. Obviously, some go back further than others. It was worth it for me to contact them. The idea that they have indexed all the parish records should appeal to those who are flustered by the lack of response by individual parish priests. ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== Our Lister's Homepages, Callan www.falgen.org/callan/

Hi Paul, I'm sorry Paul, I plan to send an email to the Bishop of Meath telling him what happened to you and others. If this is something that happens all the time, then that amounts to fraud. I'll let you know. Take Care Eileen

I wrote to the local parish at Navan for information on the marriage of my 2 x gt grandparents William HOLMES and Margaret ROSS, I even had the exact date and only wanted to know if their parents names were given. I never got an acknowledgement. Some months later my cousin went there from England and even spoke to the same person. When she said I had written asking for info, he just shrugged his shoulders. So don't hold your breath! Beryl Auckland, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [MEATH] Meath Libraries > > > Do you also mean the local parishes won't answer queries? I sent for > baptismal > > records for both my ggrandparents and their families. If i do get a reply do > have any > > idea how long it would take to get a response? Or please direct me in the > right > > direction. > > Thank You, Eileen > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > Our Lister's Homepages, Callan www.falgen.org/callan/ >

I recently contacted the Meath Heritage & Genealogy Centre by email at [email protected] because on their website (which does NOT list the email address, by the way) they have a form you can print and fill in with your request and a payment amount, but listed no means by which they would accept payment. I included in the email note what I was looking for. In a day or two I received a reply saying they could research my family (they gave a different, higher cost), and that they would take a personal check from the US. I sent it in, and already I have what I was looking for, plus a little bit more. A kind lister provided me with the email address. Because I asked about someday making a trip there, they let me know that the office was confined and they could not accommodate researchers. They did say, however, that they have indexed all the parish records for County Meath. Obviously, some go back further than others. It was worth it for me to contact them. The idea that they have indexed all the parish records should appeal to those who are flustered by the lack of response by individual parish priests.

I hope you don't mind my commiseration, folks. My personal experience won't brighten the prognosis. Roughly six months ago, I nice young lady in LAOIS, perhaps a cousin, contacted the parish priest, in Oldcastle. He promised her that, if contacted, he would research a family member. I followed up with an explicit letter, mentioning his offer to the young lady, the family members name, and a small donation. The donation was in the form of a pre-paid money order, is US dollars. No response, so far. Frankly, I'm quite naive when it comes to international/European money, and maybe my payment methods became null, in Ireland. But I haven't even heard back, if that was the case. I guess there's hundreds of non-sinister reasons why I've no response, but I tell you true, I'm disappointed. Paul -----Original Message----- From: B Young [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 4:12 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [MEATH] Meath Libraries Hi Eileen No I didn't send a check (New Zealand dollars are no use there) but a reply coupon for postage. Both my 2xgt grandparents died here in New Zealand in 1895 and 1899, and I have both their certs; neither mentions who their parents were. I am just out of luck, because by about 1905 they had to name the parents, but not before that. By other means (navy muster rolls of 1805) I have found his father's name, but still don't know his mother's. It is quite frustrating, as my 2 x gt grandfather left a wonderful autobiography, but he always refers to his parents as 'my mother' or 'my father' and his brothers as 'my brother' etc, never by name. All the best Beryl ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 12:31 PM Subject: Re: [MEATH] Meath Libraries > > > Hi Beryl, > > I'm just curious did you send the local parish a check? I did. So maybe > i'll get a reply. Do you have your ggrandparents death certificates? I don't > know what they're like in NZ. But in the states they name the parents of the > deceased. I hope you find > what your looking for! Thank You for the reply. > > Take care Eileen > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > In your search for records, keep in mind that in old Ireland, borders for provinces, baronies, counties, archdiocese, diocese and townlands moved with swings of the battle axe. Check nearby places for records. > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== Visit The Roscommon Database for uncommon records: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlros/

Hi Beryl, I'm just curious did you send the local parish a check? I did. So maybe i'll get a reply. Do you have your ggrandparents death certificates? I don't know what they're like in NZ. But in the states they name the parents of the deceased. I hope you find what your looking for! Thank You for the reply. Take care Eileen

Do you also mean the local parishes won't answer queries? I sent for baptismal records for both my ggrandparents and their families. If i do get a reply do have any idea how long it would take to get a response? Or please direct me in the right direction. Thank You, Eileen

4 Jul 02 Hi: My great grandmother's name was Mary Farreley (died 1898), she married a Mathew McDonnell (died 1879). The McDonnell's and Farreley's were from the Seymourstown, Crossakiel and Kilskeer area of County Meath. It is possible that the gravesites mentioned could possibly be of my great grandparents. Nancy Lortscher

I think that I will just put the names on the Meath list for everyone. There really are not 39 as many are repititive. Barden Tye Devine Gogarty Farreley Coone Farley Fox McCabe and Naulty Smyth Shirkel Fitzsimons Rooney McDonnell Hand Flood Brien McNamee Tuite O'Reilly Win McInerney Brady Vault Madden Raleigh Fotzpatrick and Malloy