----- Original Message ----- From: "N A Gray" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 4:15 PM Subject: Re: [MEATH] NEW TO LIST-loads of questions!! There are definitely no Catholic parish records available for the 1748/49 time frame; that was in the unmodified phase of Penal Times. However, I doubt whether James Nugent was Catholic. At that time, Catholic Irish could not become officers in the British army, so the job had little attraction except for those who were exceedingly hard up. Those who went into the miltary were more likely to go to France or Spain and enlist in the armies of those Catholic countries, where they encountered no discrimination. Assuming that he was a Protestant, there may be Church of Ireland records that go back that far. If he married in the Anglican Church and/or had his children baptized there, that would give a clue as to what Protestant denomination you are looking for. If your ancestor happened to be a Presbyterian, there is a center in Dublin that has a collection of records available for that denomiination. You could also consult the National Library of Ireland web page, which has a link to allow you to check their holdings, to see what they have that might help you. Since I only have had occasion to look for Catholic ancestors, I don't know how far back the Presbyterian records go, but I should suspect that 1748/49 is pushing the limit even in that case. You might also want to check the Library for Methodist records. There were a lot of Methodists in Ireland by that period in time. There are a few other possibilities. The Nugents (at least some of them) were major landholders in Meath and Louth, so the one you want might appear on tax rolls. Nancy Gray ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Wow Nancy - THAT's what I call an answer to a lister's question! Well done! Bryan in Wales _______/|\----------------/|\_____________/||=====||\_____ ...from Border Monmouthshire, between the Severn bridges See a Monmouthshire village at work: Visit the Caerwent Community website www.caerwentcom.com

Hello Moira, There's a very good chance that Nugents from Oldcastle were protestants. My wife's family, the Melvins, numbered Nugents among their childhood acquaintances. When she comes back from doing the shopping I'll ask her! Best wishes Bryan in Wales _______/|\----------------/|\_____________/||=====||\_____ ...from Border Monmouthshire, between the Severn bridges See a Monmouthshire village at work: Visit the Caerwent Community website www.caerwentcom.com ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: [MEATH] NEW TO LIST-loads of questions!! Hi Everyone I have just received the army discharge papers for James Cooke NUGENT who gives his place of birth as in or near Oldcastle Kilbride c 1748/9 Please can anyone tell me what PR's are available for that time? I don't know what denomination he was but I don't think he was Catholic or at least his children did not marry in Catholic Church's after they had moved to London. At one time James was in the Meath Militia- where can I find their records if they still exist? I am new to research in Ireland - where do I start? And finally is anyone lese researching the NUGENT surname in this area? many regards MOIRA ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== Ballykinlar Prison Book online: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/Ballykinlar/intro.htm

Have you tried the local courthouse? If your grandparents applied for citizenship in the county or state where they lived, they may have a copy of the records. Generally though when the husband applied for citizenship the wife automatically became one as well, so you may only find information on your grandpa. Hope this helps, Jill

Both my Grandparents came from Meath ( it said on their obits) John McCaffrey got off ship (Ido not know when or where ) and was in Jersey City around 1856. Mary Farley ( 16 years old ) got off ship and went to Jersey City ( 1856 ). Some how got together in Beaver Dam,WI and got married in 1858. I need help in finding out information on them. Thank you Bruce R. Bucholtz

Hi Everyone I have just received the army discharge papers for James Cooke NUGENT who gives his place of birth as in or near Oldcastle Kilbride c 1748/9 Please can anyone tell me what PR's are available for that time? I don't know what denomination he was but I don't think he was Catholic or at least his children did not marry in Catholic Church's after they had moved to London. At one time James was in the Meath Militia- where can I find their records if they still exist? I am new to research in Ireland - where do I start? And finally is anyone lese researching the NUGENT surname in this area? many regards MOIRA

There are definitely no Catholic parish records available for the 1748/49 time frame; that was in the unmodified phase of Penal Times. However, I doubt whether James Nugent was Catholic. At that time, Catholic Irish could not become officers in the British army, so the job had little attraction except for those who were exceedingly hard up. Those who went into the miltary were more likely to go to France or Spain and enlist in the armies of those Catholic countries, where they encountered no discrimination. Assuming that he was a Protestant, there may be Church of Ireland records that go back that far. If he married in the Anglican Church and/or had his children baptized there, that would give a clue as to what Protestant denomination you are looking for. If your ancestor happened to be a Presbyterian, there is a center in Dublin that has a collection of records available for that denomiination. You could also consult the National Library of Ireland web page, which has a link to allow you to check their holdings, to see what they have that might help you. Since I only have had occasion to look for Catholic ancestors, I don't know how far back the Presbyterian records go, but I should suspect that 1748/49 is pushing the limit even in that case. You might also want to check the Library for Methodist records. There were a lot of Methodists in Ireland by that period in time. There are a few other possibilities. The Nugents (at least some of them) were major landholders in Meath and Louth, so the one you want might appear on tax rolls. Nancy Gray ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2003 7:36 AM Subject: [MEATH] NEW TO LIST-loads of questions!! > Hi Everyone > I have just received the army discharge papers for James Cooke NUGENT who > gives his place of birth as in or near Oldcastle Kilbride c 1748/9 > Please can anyone tell me what PR's are available for that time? I don't know > what denomination he was but I don't think he was Catholic or at least his > children did not marry in Catholic Church's after they had moved to London. > At one time James was in the Meath Militia- where can I find their records if > they still exist? > I am new to research in Ireland - where do I start? > And finally is anyone lese researching the NUGENT surname in this area? > many regards > MOIRA > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > Ballykinlar Prison Book online: > http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/Ballykinlar/intro.htm >

on 6/12/03 11:58 AM, [email protected] at [email protected] wrote: Hi Jerry, Our ancestors came from Meath and married into the Brady family. Do you see any Geherty/Gearty's? Also, have you looked at the Griffiths Valuation for Meath. I see many Brady's in the Moynalty parish and can send you a list if you're interested. Margaret Gerrity > Would like to exchange information with anyone interested in any of the > following families that lived in County Meath during the early and/or mid > 1800s. > Graham > Brady > Corrigan > Healey > > Jerry > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > County Meath and County Westmeath are up for adoption. They combined were the > ancient Province of Meath. When the King of Meath didn't play good with other > Kings, his kingdom was absorbed by Leinster and Ulster. > If interested, Contact list admin: [email protected] >

Dear all I am researching my wifes side and find that her great grandmother was born in Navan in 1874 (according to 1901 census of Leicester) She was Alice REID who married William SWIFT a soldier, one of their children was also born in Navan, Hannah born 1895/6 (aged five in 1901 census) Would anyone be able to tell me what chance there is of finding a baptism for either?? Best wishes, Nivard Ovington in Cornwall --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.490 / Virus Database: 289 - Release Date: 16/06/03

Alert: FWD with permission. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonelle Ellis Russell" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 7:53 PM Subject: New Version Old Scam > I am addressing blind copies of this message I received today from a > fellow genealogist. Many of you have been in genealogy to remember the > books with huge numbers of individuals with one surname. The book > appeared to have been compiled data from phone books. I did not see the > book, but thought I would pass on the message for your information. > > Jo Russell > > > "Send $39.85 for the _______ Family Yearbook." Sound familiar? > > The return adress is no longer Bath, OH. Now it's Denver, CO. And now a > CD-ROM is being sent with the book. > > My husband, David Kerben, received a promotional letter in the mail last > > week. > > We especially enjoyed the line "A yearbook celebrating the last 2000 > years of > Kerben History," since the name Kerben was derived from the > Polish/German/Jewish name Kerzenblatt (Cherry Leaf) in New York City in > 1938. > > The two company names on the mailing were "Morphcorp LLC" and "The > Family > News." > > Warn all the newbies you know. >

Would like to exchange information with anyone interested in Grahams who lived in County Meath during the early and/or mid 1800s. Jerry

is anyone searching Gormanston for the Geoghegans brief tree to share other name Gillow b 1899... jo --------------------------------- Take a peek at my newsletters at: www.btinternet.com/~finty/ ---------------------------------

Hello Diane Shaw, Re your gggda, have you looked into the 1821 census of Navan in the Co. Meath Heritage Center. Most of the 1821 Census was destroyed in the 1922 Fire in Dublin but records of two barionies remain. I collected all of the Byrne, Burn folks listed, (over 100) Three well may have been your folks listed there too. Good luck. Bill Byrne of Palos IL

I am looking for family members for John HEENEY, born approximately 1810 in Navan. He had a brother named Mathew and a sister named Mary. That's all I know about him. He was my gggrandfather. Anyone who has knowledge of the HEENEY family in Navan from 1800 through 1848 when John emigrated to New Orleans and then to Louisville where he married my gggrandmother and then they moved to St. Louis, please contact me. Diane Shaw John's proud gggrand-daughter

Would like to exchange information with anyone interested in any of the following families that lived in County Meath during the early and/or mid 1800s. Graham Brady Corrigan Healey Jerry

Ooops..I didnt meant to shout... Is anyone else looking for them? I've lost a Michael Geoghegan born 1806 somewhere in Ireland. might as well be 'somewhere over the rainbow..'... Perhaps you've heard of him? Little guy...ginger hair...wide gap in front teeth and freckled answers to the name of Mick! Tailor for 40 years so I guess he will be stooped too josi -------------------------------- Take a peek at my newsletters at: www.btinternet.com/~finty/ ---------------------------------

Would like to exchange information with anyone interested in any of the following families that lived in County Meath during the early and/or mid 1800s: Graham Brady Corrigan Healey Jerry

A really good book with loads on Meath and Westmeath 600 pages...just pub: Irish leaders and Learning thru the ages Paul Walsh e95 Four Courts Press 53 page name index...over half are surnames... Maps, literature Mss...etc order on [email protected] jo -------------------------------- Take a peek at my newsletters at: www.btinternet.com/~finty/ ---------------------------------

Hello Listers, I have been searching for many years for my grandmother MARY AHEARN from MEATH. She was said to be one of three/four redhaired sisters who were well known in the hunting field. The time would be early 1800's. I know this is a long, long shot but is there anyone out there who would have information about these sisters? Regards Maeve Catford Surrey, England

Hi Listers, I have joined the list temporarily again to tell you all that I just finished transcribing the public hospital records for New Orleans for March and April 1851.  Each time I finish two months and post them, I will write again to remind you of this great resource for tracing your Irish ancestors to the US.  I am writing to all the Irish county lists, so if you get multiple copies of this message, forgive me - just skip down below where I have copied all the names in the records from the particular county. In the past, I wrote to suggest that anyone researching their Irish roots should check these records of Charity Hospital in New Orleans.  About 85% of the admissions were Irish, sometimes right off the boat thanks to a shipboard epidemic.  During the late 1840s and early 1850s, the Irish poured into New Orleans by the tens of thousands - some to settle there permanently and many to travel to points further north up the river.  I suggest you check our records, especially if your Irish ancestors settled in St. Louis, Louisville, Cincinnati, or Iowa. As I have said before, the public hospital records are better than the census because of the information they give - the person's place of birth, how long he had been in New Orleans, where he had been before arriving in NO, etc.  They are more hit and miss than the census records, but I have been contacted by several people who have successfully located their ancestors in these records. Here is the list of the patients from Co. Meath admitted to Charity Hospital for March and April 1851.  If you see anyone you'd like to check out further, please visit our web site at: <A HREF="ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/orleans/charityhos/chamar51.txt">ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/orleans/charityhos/chamar51.txt</A> <A HREF="ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/orleans/charityhos/chaapr51.txt">ftp://ftp.rootsweb.com/pub/usgenweb/la/orleans/charityhos/chaapr51.txt</A>  Our home page can be found at: <A HREF="http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/la/orleans.htm">Orleans Parish Archives</A> Date of Admission, Date of Death, Date of Discharge, Ward, Name, Place of Birth, Occupation (if any), Age 16-Apr -- 23-Apr 36 Ann Mead born Killan 38 1-Mar -- 29-Mar 34 Eliza Kating born Linsey 40 3-Mar -- 8-Mar 5 James Sheridan Laborer 20 5-Mar -- 7-Mar 22 Patrick Fagan Laborer 22 5-Mar -- 13-Mar 16 Thomas McCabe Laborer 25 6-Mar -- 24-Mar 38 Eliza Kelly born Curran 27 6-Mar -- 24-Mar 38 Alice Kelly child of Eliza Kelly born Curran 10 mos 6-Mar -- 24-Mar 38 Mary Ann Kelly child of Eliza Kelly born Curran 3 yrs 7-Mar -- 3-May 29 Hugh Mitchell Laborer 56 8-Mar -- 13-Mar 27 Thomas Riley Laborer 25 12-Mar -- 18-Mar 11 John Clark Laborer 35 12-Mar -- 24-Mar 11 Philip Sheridan Laborer 20 12-Mar -- 10-Apr**** 22 Patrick Matthews Laborer 20 13-Mar -- 20-Mar 3 Patrick Adams Boatsman 30 14-Mar -- 15-Mar 32 Hugh McCormick Laborer 30 14-Mar -- 17-Mar 13 Richard Bradley Laborer 25 15-Mar -- 27-Mar 34 Mary Carland 28 16-Mar -- 2-Apr 36 Ellen Goff born Mooney 30 18-Mar -- 10-May 7 James Terrell Laborer 30 26-Mar -- 4-Mar 11 Philipp Sheridan Laborer 20 26-Mar -- 5-Apr 11 John Clark Laborer 35 1-Apr -- 5-Apr 17 James Callaghan Laborer 22 1-Apr 1-Apr -- 5 An unknown white man supposed to be abt 28 2-Apr -- 9-Apr 9 Michael Sheridan 25 3-Apr 1-Jun -- 36 Ann Chook 30 4-Apr -- 8-Apr 37 Mary Cassidy 18 4-Apr -- 4-May 34 Margaret Bryan Brought by the 10 yrs 9-Apr 12-Apr -- 16 Michael Garvey Laborer 18 10-Apr -- 20-Apr 7 Patrick Taghe Laborer 26 12-Apr -- 19-Apr 34 Ann Flynn 23 12-Apr -- 8-Oct Cells Patrick Matthews Laborer 20 13-Apr -- 9-Jun 37 Bridget Handley 16 14-Apr -- 22-Apr 34 Catherine Murray 19 14-Apr -- 25-Apr 29 William Caton Laborer 20 17-Apr -- 26-Sep 9 Edward Flood Laborer 27 17-Apr 8-May -- 13 Francis Fay Laborer 23 19-Apr -- 26-Apr 18 Michael Sheridan Laborer 25 19-Apr -- ----- 1 Patrick Gibney Boatsman 25 20-Apr -- 3-May 19 John Markee Horseler 30 21-Apr -- 24-Apr 5 Patrick Nugent 27 23-Apr -- 14-May 3 Edward Brady Laborer 22 24-Apr -- 9-May 36 Caroline Davis 19 26-Apr -- 2-May 18 Patrick McCullough Laborer 40 26-Apr -- 7-May 34 Catherine Murray 19 27-Apr -- 6-May 29 William Katon Laborer 19 27-Apr 28-Apr -- 11 Thomas Brabston Laborer 35 28-Apr -- 5-May 17 Michael Farnan Seaman 27 29-Apr -- 3-May 35 Ellen Riley 14 yrs 30-Apr 14-May -- 37 Alice Smith 18 Good luck in your research, Colleen Fitzpatrick Co Coordinator Orleans Parish (New Orleans) Rootsweb Site

I will be unsubbing next weekend as I head to you-know-where. I'll be back home and online, about the 15th of June. If anyone tries to contact me during the month I'm gone, all I can say is "Good luck". I have a feeling my mailbox will quickly fill with Spam, and shut down, so I wouldn't advise it. Contacting me either before I leave or after I return would probably be more fruitful. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts