And, of course, we need to include the Fitzsimons, Fitzsimmon, and Fitzsimmons as well...I am looking for a needle in a haystack at the moment. I am hunting for a James Fitzsimon who was born somewhere in Co. Meath before 1847. He was a National School teacher and might have taught in Meath, Westmeath, Limerick and/or Tipperary. He married in Limerick and had his first child in 1867. Names associated with him [or his wife] are MURPHY, and Emelia and Isabelle MANSFIELD. Because my internet provider is Eircom and they still charge by the minute down here in the wilds of rural Tipp, I cannot yet do long surfs, but Eircom promises that soon they will bring us up into the 21st century with the rest of you guys. Might anyone have a look at the Tithes and Griffiths for Meath and tell me where you might find the Fitzsimon families hanging out? Or any other Fitzsimon info that you have tucked away waiting for someone to ask? I could sure use your help! Janet Crawford, also searching for Quillinan's everywhere, but usually never found with Josi's Geohaghan's anyplace

Josi, A few good websites that may help: Tasmanian Convict Indexes at GenWeb Tasmania http://www.rootsweb.com/~austas/convictsdw.htm Convict Central http://www.convictcentral.com/ Convict History and Genealogy Links at Genseek http://www.standard.net.au/~jwilliams/cons.htm BTW for tracking a convict through the colonial bureaucracy, it is good (even necessary) to know the ship that he was transported on. Good hunting Steve --- Josi <[email protected]> wrote: > Felon to Australia > Michael aged 22 Born Westmeath spelled Gehegan on surgeons report. > Tatoos 2 crucifix left arm > Grey Eyes fair skin.5'4'' RC Single. > Father Thos? other remarks illegible > Never before convicted....Spike Island report Good. > arrived Hobart 21 12 1850... > > Tried 23 June 1847 > Theft of one sheep from my Lady Castlemaine. > > Question... > where did he go next? ===== Steve Sims, Brisbane, Australia http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals - New people, new possibilities! Try Yahoo! Personals, FREE for a limited period!

Jane at [email protected] writes: << Kiladalkey civil parish and also in that parish we have Moatstown and Lady Island. Wouldn't those two names imply that there is some kind of wet ground around or something - more than just areas where rivers are >> Jane, I had noticed those two townlands before I wrote, but I have a tendency to run on and on and on in my letters.......so I decided to end my speculation before it got "really" boring. I think both of those townlands are named for their local situation. Moat Town has a 3/4 mile frontage on the Tremblestown River, so that might be the reference. But I think it's more likely a reference to the motte in the townland - presumably the only remains of a motte-and-bailey "castle" structure. Perhaps it had an actual moat, in addition to a motte <gr>. A couple of miles upstream, there is a "Pale Ditch", parallel to the river on the western side. Perhaps the castle in Moat Town was also involved in defending the Pale at some time. And Trim is only a few miles away. Lady's Island may have been a small island (my lawn in the front yard is larger than Lady's Island townland). Perhaps between the river and a continuation of the ditch. It also lies right along the river, abutting Moat Town. End of speculation. << How close are Lady Island and Moatstown as a matter of interest >> Moat Town and Lady's Island are midway between Kildalkey town and Trim, about two and a half miles ESE of Kildalkey town. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

on 3/8/03 10:12 PM, Josi at [email protected] wrote: > Felon to Australia > Michael aged 22 Born Westmeath spelled Gehegan on surgeons report. > Tatoos 2 crucifix left arm > Grey Eyes fair skin.5'4'' RC Single. > Father Thos? other remarks illegible > Never before convicted....Spike Island report Good. > arrived Hobart 21 12 1850... > > Tried 23 June 1847 > Theft of one sheep from my Lady Castlemaine. > > Question... > where did he go next? > > other crims listed on these lists are > Simon Guinea Tipperary aged 26 > John Gleeson Tipperary aged 30 > Thomas Gleeson Waterford aged 25 > all RC... > > Josi > --------------------------------- > See my all new Volume 12 Newsletter: > www.btinternet.com/~finty/ > --------------------------------- > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > This list is for everyone with ancestors from County Meath. > County Meath website is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmea2/ > Ireland Project Website: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ > Josi, Have you checked the Tasmanian records? That is if you live in Australia. Mary

Hi Jane... Yes, I know that there were the different divisions of "Commons"...that was my problem. I found them on redevelopment maps that give all the new roadwork going on in & around Trim..I forget which agency it was just now. I emailed the Heritage Center asking them & they put me in touch with, I would guess, the engineering dept...(too early to think right now.) Heritage Center told me that it was, back in the 1850's-60-70's a suburb of Trim, but now it has been developed with new housing & is Trim. The person couldn't give me an exact place if I wanted to come walk the streets my Greats walked. I haven't looked at any voting registers as I don't know if anyone was left there by 1900. My Greats were born in 1845 & 1855 & came to US in 1873. I haven't gotten a chance to check out Griffith's for my GREAT-GREATS, Arthur & Alice KELLY & I feel as tho the name KELLY is too numerous to ask for a lookup. As for BANNON, I only know Kate's mother's first name was Mary...hope her father's name is on Civil Marr. reg which I am awaiting. Jane, thanks for your thoughts, they're appreciated. Blessings... Jeanine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jane Lyons" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 9:46 PM Subject: North Commons, Trim : Re: [MEATH] KILDALKEY - Townland Question > Jeanine, > > Jut in case you are interested - and this may be relevant or not depending > on the time frame you are interested in. > > You've been looking for North Commons, Trim - and I haven't found that - > *but* if you're ever interested in the 1901 or 1911 censuses of Ireland. In > the D.D.D. of Trim, Electoral District of Trim - Trim parish there is listed > the following: > > Commons: > 1st Division > 2nd Division > 3rd Division > 4th Division > 5th Division > 6th Division > 7th Division > > > Sounds huge, doesn't it? But - the Electoral district had in total a > population of 2,935 in 1881 and a lot of other townlands. > > Any one of those or a combinatoin may have been North Commons prior to that. > Ican't give you any idea as to where these places are - wish I could > > Jane :-) > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jeanine" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:27 AM > Subject: Re: [MEATH] KILDALKEY - Townland Question > > > > Fay... > > Have you asked if anyone out there has the discovery maps for Meath. > <snip> I know I searched all over for North > > Commons, Trim, which is no longer. I believe I found it listed on Sean > > Raud's pages. > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > Visit The Roscommon Database for uncommon records: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlros/ ........History or Genealogy are fair subjects here, but current politics and religion issues are not. >

Jeanine, Jut in case you are interested - and this may be relevant or not depending on the time frame you are interested in. You've been looking for North Commons, Trim - and I haven't found that - *but* if you're ever interested in the 1901 or 1911 censuses of Ireland. In the D.D.D. of Trim, Electoral District of Trim - Trim parish there is listed the following: Commons: 1st Division 2nd Division 3rd Division 4th Division 5th Division 6th Division 7th Division Sounds huge, doesn't it? But - the Electoral district had in total a population of 2,935 in 1881 and a lot of other townlands. Any one of those or a combinatoin may have been North Commons prior to that. Ican't give you any idea as to where these places are - wish I could Jane :-) ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeanine" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:27 AM Subject: Re: [MEATH] KILDALKEY - Townland Question > Fay... > Have you asked if anyone out there has the discovery maps for Meath. <snip> I know I searched all over for North > Commons, Trim, which is no longer. I believe I found it listed on Sean > Raud's pages.

Just a wondering Pete, not that this will help home in on the actual place, but Kildalkey townland or town is in Kildalkey Electoral District. Kildalkey townland or town is in Kiladalkey civil parish and also in that parish we have Moatstown and Lady Island. Wouldn't those two names imply that there is some kind of wet ground around or something - more than just areas where rivers are..............that there could be a reason for a townland being known locally as a Curragh, even if it's not listed as so in any official townland name index. Remember, the townland names as we see them today are not as they were in the past - they differed between censuses. Regardless of official names - the locals continued and in some cases continue to call them as the original name. How close are Lady Island and Moatstown as a matter of interest - if you have time Thanks. Jane ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2003 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [MEATH] KILDALKEY - Townland Question > Fay at [email protected] writes: > > << I have the parish records, both from the Meath Heritage Centre and from > the parish priest. One lists "Curragh, Kildalkey" but that is the only hint. > There is no townland by that name, and as far as I can find, "curragh" may mean > "racetrack." Anyone have any other hints? >> > > Fay, > > There is a Curragh townland in Meath, but not in your area around Kildalkey. > The same goes for the six listings for Curraghtown, in Co. Meath. I believe > that the use of Curragh for a racetrack applies only for Kildare, as curragh > itself means a marsh or a moorland.......and the Curragh in Kildare is located > on a huge, level area of moorland. I don't see any boggy areas in the civil > parish of Kildalkey (Disc. map 42), only a few coniferous forest areas > (probably mostly Coillte's work). However, the parish has the Tremblestown and > Stonyford rivers as its main boundaries, and there are a series of drainage > "ditches" throughout the parish. Just no townland of, or similar to, Curragh. > > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > In your search for records, keep in mind that in old Ireland, borders for provinces, baronies, counties, archdiocese, diocese and townlands moved with swings of the battle axe. Check nearby places for records. > > >

Thanks to all of you who are trying to help me figure out the "Curragh, Kildalkey" notation on a baptism. It was enlightening in many ways. > From: [email protected] > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:56:21 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MEATH] KILDALKEY - Townland Question > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 10:56:30 -0600 > > Fay at [email protected] writes: > > << I have the parish records, both from the Meath Heritage Centre and from > the parish priest. One lists "Curragh, Kildalkey" but that is the only hint. > There is no townland by that name, and as far as I can find, "curragh" may > mean > "racetrack." Anyone have any other hints? >> > > Fay, > > There is a Curragh townland in Meath, but not in your area around Kildalkey. > The same goes for the six listings for Curraghtown, in Co. Meath. I believe > that the use of Curragh for a racetrack applies only for Kildare, as curragh > itself means a marsh or a moorland.......and the Curragh in Kildare is located > on a huge, level area of moorland. I don't see any boggy areas in the civil > parish of Kildalkey (Disc. map 42), only a few coniferous forest areas > (probably mostly Coillte's work). However, the parish has the Tremblestown > and > Stonyford rivers as its main boundaries, and there are a series of drainage > "ditches" throughout the parish. Just no townland of, or similar to, > Curragh. > > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > In your search for records, keep in mind that in old Ireland, borders for > provinces, baronies, counties, archdiocese, diocese and townlands moved with > swings of the battle axe. Check nearby places for records. >

Here is an interesting site about "Curragh" http://www.esatclear.ie/~curragh/ Alice In NC Researching Hoeys, Keegans, Hyland and O'Neil/Neal and the Village of Trim, County Meath ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fay Finn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [MEATH] KILDALKEY - Townland Question > Thanks. I have the parish records, both from the Meath Heritage Centre and > from the parish priest. One lists "Curragh, Kildalkey" but that is the only > hint. There is no townland by that name, and as far as I can find, > "curragh" may mean "racetrack." Anyone have any other hints? I know it's a > horse racing area and there are stables there today, but can anyone out > there confirm the meaning? Thanks! > > > From: [email protected] > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:44:46 EDT > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [MEATH] KILDALKEY - Townland Question > > Resent-From: [email protected] > > Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:44:52 -0600 > > > > Fay, > > > > In answer to your question about what they were referring to when they > > mentioned the place in Ireland they were from, I've seen different things. A > > US > > death record mentioned the townland. An Ellis Island record mentioned the > > nearest > > village. Another mentioned the last place they stayed before sailing or where > > they sailed from. I doubt they would have used the civil parish as a > > location. > > > > This may not be of much help but the RC church parish is Ballivor and > > Kildalkey. My family (Coyne and Duignan) came from the neighboring RC parish > > of > > Killyon. When I looked at the church records in the National Library in > > Dublin > > (may also be available through Latter Day Saints Library) in many instances it > > mentioned the townland next to the family name. That helped me sort out on > > which townland my ancestors lived. > > > > Regards, > > Ray FitzGerald > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Fay Finn > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: 29 July 2003 6:26 AM > > Subject: [MEATH] townland question > > > > > > Just a general question: How can a person find out what townland an > > ancestor is from? Mine is from Kildalkey, but that is the name of a civil > > parish as well as a townland. There are dozens of townlands in that civil > > parish. When people said where they were from, did they usually mean the > > townland or the parish? Thanks. Fay > > > > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > > This list is for everyone with ancestors from County Meath. > > County Meath website is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmea2/ > > Ireland Project Website: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > County Meath and County Westmeath are up for adoption. They combined were the ancient Province of Meath. When the King of Meath didn't play good with other Kings, his kingdom was absorbed by Leinster and Ulster. > If interested, Contact list admin: [email protected] > >

Felon to Australia Michael aged 22 Born Westmeath spelled Gehegan on surgeons report. Tatoos 2 crucifix left arm Grey Eyes fair skin.5'4'' RC Single. Father Thos? other remarks illegible Never before convicted....Spike Island report Good. arrived Hobart 21 12 1850... Tried 23 June 1847 Theft of one sheep from my Lady Castlemaine. Question... where did he go next? other crims listed on these lists are Simon Guinea Tipperary aged 26 John Gleeson Tipperary aged 30 Thomas Gleeson Waterford aged 25 all RC... Josi --------------------------------- See my all new Volume 12 Newsletter: www.btinternet.com/~finty/ ---------------------------------

Fay at [email protected] writes: << I have the parish records, both from the Meath Heritage Centre and from the parish priest. One lists "Curragh, Kildalkey" but that is the only hint. There is no townland by that name, and as far as I can find, "curragh" may mean "racetrack." Anyone have any other hints? >> Fay, There is a Curragh townland in Meath, but not in your area around Kildalkey. The same goes for the six listings for Curraghtown, in Co. Meath. I believe that the use of Curragh for a racetrack applies only for Kildare, as curragh itself means a marsh or a moorland.......and the Curragh in Kildare is located on a huge, level area of moorland. I don't see any boggy areas in the civil parish of Kildalkey (Disc. map 42), only a few coniferous forest areas (probably mostly Coillte's work). However, the parish has the Tremblestown and Stonyford rivers as its main boundaries, and there are a series of drainage "ditches" throughout the parish. Just no townland of, or similar to, Curragh. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

My family appears in the Ballivor, Kildalkey church records with 2 children baptized there 1845 and 1847 - mother Margaret McGuire (this is probably her home parish) and father William Lightholder (I believe he was from the Navan area). The LDS film numbers are: 0926163, British Film: Ballivor, Co. Meath, Ireland Parish Register; 1596994, British Film: Killaconnigan & Kildalkey, Co. Meath, Ireland Records; 0596897, Irish Records, Co. Meath, Ireland. My notes on the films follow. Readers should bear in mind the closest LDS branch library has 4 old style readers (not printers and hand crank), with 2 of the 4 being too light and too dark. You might do better with better equipment. Film 1596994 needs a reader with an enlarger. This film gives much historical background, but no particular genealogical material was found. I made a note to see about buying this film to look at it leisurely. More on that later. Film 596897 seems to have miscellaneous civil records, such as High Court of Justice in Ireland's Queen's Branch. Records are listed by an item number. I found one civil suit involving Lightholders in 1895. Need time to look at this film also. Film 926163 has records for Ballivor Parish in Meath Diocese. Baptisms 12 Feb 1837 to 9 Dec 1880; Marriages 7 Apr 1837 to 12 July 1880; Deaths 12 Feb 1837 to 16 Nov 1880. This film was easier to read than the other two, which isn't saying much. For those interested in Ballivor, in 2002 a young relative went over to Scotland as an exchange student and did a side trip to Co. Meath, visiting Lightholders in the Navan area (where I visited in 1980) and did a quick trip to Ballivor, where she took 4 photos. While they don't show much, they are better than nothing. Please email me privately if you would like a scan of them. I called the LDS in Salt Lake asking about buying the films. They are not for sale. The person there said I should have our LDS branch library order new equipment, if theirs was that bad. Since I am not a Mormon, I found this suggestion impractical and did not do it. I should try another LDS branch library, but haven't done it yet. It is my understanding that Killaconnigan is not covered in the Tithe Applotment lists (source: Valerie Adams and Brian Trainor, "Tithe Applotment Books Ireland 1824-1838: Gaps in the Archive", FAMILIA [quarterly], Vol. 2, No. 1, 1985, p. 102). In Brian Mitchell's A GUIDE TO IRISH PARISH REGISTERS, both civil parishes of Kildalkey and Killaconnigan are listed as including Roman Catholic Churches in Ballivor and Kildalkey, with records beginning in 1837. Thus, at least part of Ballivor and Kildalkey would not be covered in the Tithe lists. Linda Lightholder Kmiecik ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 9:44 AM Subject: [MEATH] KILDALKEY - Townland Question > Fay, > > In answer to your question about what they were referring to when they > mentioned the place in Ireland they were from, I've seen different things. A US > death record mentioned the townland. An Ellis Island record mentioned the nearest > village. Another mentioned the last place they stayed before sailing or where > they sailed from. I doubt they would have used the civil parish as a > location. > > This may not be of much help but the RC church parish is Ballivor and > Kildalkey. My family (Coyne and Duignan) came from the neighboring RC parish of > Killyon. When I looked at the church records in the National Library in Dublin > (may also be available through Latter Day Saints Library) in many instances it > mentioned the townland next to the family name. That helped me sort out on > which townland my ancestors lived. > > Regards, > Ray FitzGerald > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fay Finn > To: [email protected] > Sent: 29 July 2003 6:26 AM > Subject: [MEATH] townland question > > > Just a general question: How can a person find out what townland an > ancestor is from? Mine is from Kildalkey, but that is the name of a civil > parish as well as a townland. There are dozens of townlands in that civil > parish. When people said where they were from, did they usually mean the > townland or the parish? Thanks. Fay > > ______________________________

Thanks for the tips. I have just found out about the discovery maps, so I haven't looked at them yet. Thanks for the map numbers and other hints. > From: "jeanine" <[email protected]> > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 00:27:14 -0400 > To: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [MEATH] KILDALKEY - Townland Question > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 22:27:51 -0600 > > Fay... > Have you asked if anyone out there has the discovery maps for Meath. They > would be @#42, 43, 35, 36, 49 &50. I would start with #42 first. Do you > belong to [email protected] , a list which I belong to that has very > knowledgeable & friendly people... also [email protected] com.. > Also Tiara, (Dennis Ahearn's website). I know I searched all over for North > Commons, Trim, which is no longer. I believe I found it listed on Sean > Raud's pages. Try posting to these groups & see if anyone cn help. > Just a thought,,, > Jeanine > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fay Finn" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:13 AM > Subject: Re: [MEATH] KILDALKEY - Townland Question > > >> Thanks. I have the parish records, both from the Meath Heritage Centre > and >> from the parish priest. One lists "Curragh, Kildalkey" but that is the > only >> hint. There is no townland by that name, and as far as I can find, >> "curragh" may mean "racetrack." Anyone have any other hints? I know it's > a >> horse racing area and there are stables there today, but can anyone out >> there confirm the meaning? Thanks! >> >>> From: [email protected] >>> Reply-To: [email protected] >>> Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:44:46 EDT >>> To: [email protected] >>> Subject: [MEATH] KILDALKEY - Townland Question >>> Resent-From: [email protected] >>> Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:44:52 -0600 >>> >>> Fay, >>> >>> In answer to your question about what they were referring to when they >>> mentioned the place in Ireland they were from, I've seen different > things. A >>> US >>> death record mentioned the townland. An Ellis Island record mentioned > the >>> nearest >>> village. Another mentioned the last place they stayed before sailing or > where >>> they sailed from. I doubt they would have used the civil parish as a >>> location. >>> >>> This may not be of much help but the RC church parish is Ballivor and >>> Kildalkey. My family (Coyne and Duignan) came from the neighboring RC > parish >>> of >>> Killyon. When I looked at the church records in the National Library in >>> Dublin >>> (may also be available through Latter Day Saints Library) in many > instances it >>> mentioned the townland next to the family name. That helped me sort out > on >>> which townland my ancestors lived. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Ray FitzGerald >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Fay Finn >>> To: [email protected] >>> Sent: 29 July 2003 6:26 AM >>> Subject: [MEATH] townland question >>> >>> >>> Just a general question: How can a person find out what townland an >>> ancestor is from? Mine is from Kildalkey, but that is the name of a > civil >>> parish as well as a townland. There are dozens of townlands in that > civil >>> parish. When people said where they were from, did they usually mean the >>> townland or the parish? Thanks. Fay >>> >>> >>> ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== >>> This list is for everyone with ancestors from County Meath. >>> County Meath website is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmea2/ >>> Ireland Project Website: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ >>> >> >> >> >> ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== >> County Meath and County Westmeath are up for adoption. They combined were > the ancient Province of Meath. When the King of Meath didn't play good with > other Kings, his kingdom was absorbed by Leinster and Ulster. >> If interested, Contact list admin: [email protected] >> > > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > Visit The Roscommon Database for uncommon records: > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlros/ ........History or Genealogy are fair > subjects here, but current politics and religion issues are not. >

Fay... Have you asked if anyone out there has the discovery maps for Meath. They would be @#42, 43, 35, 36, 49 &50. I would start with #42 first. Do you belong to [email protected] , a list which I belong to that has very knowledgeable & friendly people... also [email protected] com.. Also Tiara, (Dennis Ahearn's website). I know I searched all over for North Commons, Trim, which is no longer. I believe I found it listed on Sean Raud's pages. Try posting to these groups & see if anyone cn help. Just a thought,,, Jeanine ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fay Finn" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, August 02, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: Re: [MEATH] KILDALKEY - Townland Question > Thanks. I have the parish records, both from the Meath Heritage Centre and > from the parish priest. One lists "Curragh, Kildalkey" but that is the only > hint. There is no townland by that name, and as far as I can find, > "curragh" may mean "racetrack." Anyone have any other hints? I know it's a > horse racing area and there are stables there today, but can anyone out > there confirm the meaning? Thanks! > > > From: [email protected] > > Reply-To: [email protected] > > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:44:46 EDT > > To: [email protected] > > Subject: [MEATH] KILDALKEY - Townland Question > > Resent-From: [email protected] > > Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:44:52 -0600 > > > > Fay, > > > > In answer to your question about what they were referring to when they > > mentioned the place in Ireland they were from, I've seen different things. A > > US > > death record mentioned the townland. An Ellis Island record mentioned the > > nearest > > village. Another mentioned the last place they stayed before sailing or where > > they sailed from. I doubt they would have used the civil parish as a > > location. > > > > This may not be of much help but the RC church parish is Ballivor and > > Kildalkey. My family (Coyne and Duignan) came from the neighboring RC parish > > of > > Killyon. When I looked at the church records in the National Library in > > Dublin > > (may also be available through Latter Day Saints Library) in many instances it > > mentioned the townland next to the family name. That helped me sort out on > > which townland my ancestors lived. > > > > Regards, > > Ray FitzGerald > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Fay Finn > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: 29 July 2003 6:26 AM > > Subject: [MEATH] townland question > > > > > > Just a general question: How can a person find out what townland an > > ancestor is from? Mine is from Kildalkey, but that is the name of a civil > > parish as well as a townland. There are dozens of townlands in that civil > > parish. When people said where they were from, did they usually mean the > > townland or the parish? Thanks. Fay > > > > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > > This list is for everyone with ancestors from County Meath. > > County Meath website is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmea2/ > > Ireland Project Website: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ > > > > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > County Meath and County Westmeath are up for adoption. They combined were the ancient Province of Meath. When the King of Meath didn't play good with other Kings, his kingdom was absorbed by Leinster and Ulster. > If interested, Contact list admin: [email protected] >

Fay, In answer to your question about what they were referring to when they mentioned the place in Ireland they were from, I've seen different things. A US death record mentioned the townland. An Ellis Island record mentioned the nearest village. Another mentioned the last place they stayed before sailing or where they sailed from. I doubt they would have used the civil parish as a location. This may not be of much help but the RC church parish is Ballivor and Kildalkey. My family (Coyne and Duignan) came from the neighboring RC parish of Killyon. When I looked at the church records in the National Library in Dublin (may also be available through Latter Day Saints Library) in many instances it mentioned the townland next to the family name. That helped me sort out on which townland my ancestors lived. Regards, Ray FitzGerald ----- Original Message -----   From: Fay Finn   To: [email protected]   Sent: 29 July 2003 6:26 AM   Subject: [MEATH] townland question   Just a general question:  How can a person find out what townland an   ancestor is from?  Mine is from Kildalkey, but that is the name of a civil   parish as well as a townland.  There are dozens of townlands in that civil   parish.  When people said where they were from, did they usually mean the   townland or the parish? Thanks. Fay

Thanks. I have the parish records, both from the Meath Heritage Centre and from the parish priest. One lists "Curragh, Kildalkey" but that is the only hint. There is no townland by that name, and as far as I can find, "curragh" may mean "racetrack." Anyone have any other hints? I know it's a horse racing area and there are stables there today, but can anyone out there confirm the meaning? Thanks! > From: [email protected] > Reply-To: [email protected] > Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 10:44:46 EDT > To: [email protected] > Subject: [MEATH] KILDALKEY - Townland Question > Resent-From: [email protected] > Resent-Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2003 08:44:52 -0600 > > Fay, > > In answer to your question about what they were referring to when they > mentioned the place in Ireland they were from, I've seen different things. A > US > death record mentioned the townland. An Ellis Island record mentioned the > nearest > village. Another mentioned the last place they stayed before sailing or where > they sailed from. I doubt they would have used the civil parish as a > location. > > This may not be of much help but the RC church parish is Ballivor and > Kildalkey. My family (Coyne and Duignan) came from the neighboring RC parish > of > Killyon. When I looked at the church records in the National Library in > Dublin > (may also be available through Latter Day Saints Library) in many instances it > mentioned the townland next to the family name. That helped me sort out on > which townland my ancestors lived. > > Regards, > Ray FitzGerald > > > > ----- Original Message ----- >   From: Fay Finn >   To: [email protected] >   Sent: 29 July 2003 6:26 AM >   Subject: [MEATH] townland question > > >   Just a general question:  How can a person find out what townland an >   ancestor is from?  Mine is from Kildalkey, but that is the name of a civil >   parish as well as a townland.  There are dozens of townlands in that civil >   parish.  When people said where they were from, did they usually mean the >   townland or the parish? Thanks. Fay > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > This list is for everyone with ancestors from County Meath. > County Meath website is: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irlmea2/ > Ireland Project Website: http://irelandgenealogyprojects.rootsweb.com/ >

Received mail return when I sent you some info about Pentonys. Please send your email so I can forward the info to you. Beannachtai, Margaret (Mairead)

Margaret... If you have the time & are able could you look up in Griffith's for me the following: Arthur KELLY, wife Alice (my great gpa, John KELLY was born abt 1845) also: BANNON, first name unkn, wife Mary, (my great gma Kate BANNON born abt 1855) John KELLY & Kate BANNON were married in North Commons, Trim, Meath in 1871. First child born North Commons, Trim, Meath 1872. I realize KELLY is probably asking too much...so I understand if you can't do it...I don't know if they are searchable by first names & surnames. Thanks a bunch... Blessings... Jeanine ----- Original Message ----- From: "conaught2" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [MEATH] townland question > What is the name you are researching? I can check the Griffith's Valuation Index to see if they are listed in the townland. Usually people would say they were from the largest town in the area, so would assume your relative would have been referring to the townland instead of the parish. > > Beannachtai, > Margaret (Mairead) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Fay Finn > To: [email protected] > Sent: 29 July 2003 6:26 AM > Subject: [MEATH] townland question > > > Just a general question: How can a person find out what townland an > ancestor is from? Mine is from Kildalkey, but that is the name of a civil > parish as well as a townland. There are dozens of townlands in that civil > parish. When people said where they were from, did they usually mean the > townland or the parish? Thanks. Fay > > > > > ==== IRL-MEATH Mailing List ==== > If someone will write a history of Province Meath, it will be posted to Meath, Westmeath and Leinster webpages. Come on you budding historians, Shine. >

What is the name you are researching? I can check the Griffith's Valuation Index to see if they are listed in the townland. Usually people would say they were from the largest town in the area, so would assume your relative would have been referring to the townland instead of the parish. Beannachtai, Margaret (Mairead) ----- Original Message ----- From: Fay Finn To: [email protected] Sent: 29 July 2003 6:26 AM Subject: [MEATH] townland question Just a general question: How can a person find out what townland an ancestor is from? Mine is from Kildalkey, but that is the name of a civil parish as well as a townland. There are dozens of townlands in that civil parish. When people said where they were from, did they usually mean the townland or the parish? Thanks. Fay

I was a PENTONY. from London. I believe the name came from Normandy, BUT, was in Co. Meath from 1170. Can anyone relate to this name please. My Gt.Grandparents were in Liverpool. My Grandparents were in London.. Pentony's in Liverpool had a leather shoe factory and also made top hats in 1800s I have been told that Pentony's may have had estates in Co.Meath.... I am descended from: Gerard Francis Ridley Pentony and Anna Isabel nee Campbell Pentony (we lived in Streatham.London) Mum was from over the border, Whitehead. Co.Antrim. My grandparents were Alfred Joseph Pentony and Florence nee Ridley. I am therefore Adele Gerardine nee Pentony. born 1943. Hampton Court.. now resident of New Zealand. So far, traced family (unknown to recently!) in USA. London. (yes even we grew up near each other, we never knew our cousins!!)Australia... Pentony name comes from Normandy, also there is a village in Norfolk. UK Pentney which has something to do with the family. the names have been misspelt over the years... I look forward to hearing from one and all thanks.. (I must be on about 30 rootswebsites throughout the world, as I am researching early settlers to Carterton. New Zealand..where I am now settled!) Many thanks Adele Pentony-Graham http://www.geocities.com/carterton_historical_society