This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DaveBoylan Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/8707.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Susan, I located the baptism index for Patrick Hoban as well as two of his siblings at the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) website for County Kilkenny. The indexes show the parents of the three children were Martin Hoban and Catherine Brennan. The three baptisms took place in the Clough Roman Catholic Church. My Tipperary cousins pronounce Clough as "Clock." You will also see this place spelled as Clogh. This town was located in the Civil Parish of Castlecomer in County Kilkenny. The names of the children and order of the baptisms are: John (1832); Patrick (1835); and Judith (1838). The IFHF homepage can be found at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/ Before accessing indexes at the IFHF you'll first have to register. Registration is free. You'll also be able to access the baptism indexes for the Hoban children that I did for free, but you will be charged to obtain transcriptions of the baptisms from the IFHF. You'll have to purchase credits with a credit card to obtain the transcriptions. The IFHF website has more information about purchasing credits for baptism, as well as birth, marriage, and death or burial transcriptions at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/index.php?id=78 The baptism indexes are below: 1 match for the search criteria: Hoban (plus variants) John 1832 Parish: CLOUGH (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Kilkenny Surname: Hoban First Name: John Father's Surname: Hoban Father's First Name: Martin Mother's Surname: Brennan Mother's First Name: Catherine Year: 1832 Parish/District: CLOUGH (RC) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Hoban Patrick 1835 Parish: CLOUGH (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Kilkenny Surname: Hoban First Name: Patrick Father's Surname: Hoban Father's First Name: Martin Mother's Surname: Brennan Mother's First Name: Catherine Year: 1835 Parish/District: CLOUGH (RC) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Hoban Judith 1838 Parish: CLOUGH (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Kilkenny Surname: Hoban First Name: Judith Father's Surname: Hoban Father's First Name: Martin Mother's Surname: Brennan Mother's First Name: Catherine Year: 1838 Parish/District: CLOUGH (RC) ____ To view a map of the Clough Roman Catholic Parish, go to the Irish Times website link at: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/kilkennyrc.htm The Catholic Parish of Clough is situated at the very top of the county, and is on the border with County Laois. When the Hoban family lived in Ireland, County Laois was called Queens County. Though the Hoban children were baptized in the Clough Catholic Church, the family did not necessarily reside in Clough itself, but may have lived in one of the surrounding townlands. One of the baptism transcriptions may tell you where the family had been living at the time that baptism took place. To view a sample Catholic Church baptism record, go to the IFHF link at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/index.php?id=samplerecords#baptism I had also looked for, but didn't find the marriage index for Martin Hoban and Catherine Brennan. Another link at the IFHF website shows the Clough marriages as well as baptisms begin in the year 1832, which is the year John Hoban was baptized. This indicates that Martin and Catherine would have married before 1832, and so their marriage would not have been recorded in the Clough Catholic Church, if indeed they had been married in that church. Nor would any of the baptisms of their children born before 1832 have been recorded in the Clough Catholic Church. Because the Catholic Parish of Clough is situated on the border with County Laois/Queens County, I had also looked for the marriage index for Martin Hoban and Catherine Brennan in Queens County, but didn't find it. Nor did I uncover any baptism indexes for their children in Queens County. I also looked for Martin Hoban in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation, which was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. Griffiths Valuation for the Civil Parish of Castlecomer, where Clough is located, was completed by the year 1849, but I didn't find Martin or Catherine Hoban in Griffiths Valuation. This means that that Martin and Catherine may have moved to another parish or another county, or had been deceased, or had emigrated by the year 1849. You can search Griffiths Valuation for free at the Ask About Ireland website link at: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/ To view a Google Map of Clogh, County Kilkenny, go to: http://tinyurl.com/d2x7pjd Once the page downloads, go to the Zoom-in/Zoom-out gage in the upper left portion of the map. Zoom in slightly so that the roads and landmarks of Clogh are more fully delineated. Be careful not to Zoom-in too far however. Once you've zoomed in, you'll see that the letter A sits just above an area of the town where two roads converge. These are the Tourtane Road to the lower right of the A, and the R426 secondary road to the lower left of the A. Go down the R426 road just a bit and you'll see a label for Colliery Close. The Catholic Church is situated down this narrow lane. Next, go back to the Zoom-in/Zoom-out gage. Just above the sign portion of the gage you'll see the little yellow Peg-man. Left-click on the Peg-man and drag him to where the R426 and Colliery Close T-junction into one another. Let go of the Peg-man. You may have to navigate down the R426 a little bit until you come to Colliery Close. You will not be able to travel down Colliery Close, but if you look ca! refully, you'll see that at the end of the Close is a structure with a bell-tower on which sits a cross. This is the Clough Catholic Church. You can enlarge the area at this point to get a bigger view of the church. You can also go down the R426 to the left of Colliery Lose to get another view of the church through the pasture. If this church was standing in the 1830s, it is probably where the Hoban children were baptized. Best of Luck Susan, Dave Boylan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.