This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: DaveBoylan Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/8720.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello PatBrooks1961, I located the marriage index for a Patrick Cleary and Bridget Flannery at the Irish Family History Foundation (IFHF) website for County Mayo, showing the couple were married in the Crossboyne & Tagheen Roman Catholic Church in 1838. This index could possible refer to the marriage of your Mary Cleary's parents. The index is below: 1 match for the search criteria: Cleary Patrick 1838 Parish: CROSSBOYNE & TAGHEEN RC PARISH (RC) Record Type: Marriage Records for Co. Mayo Surname: Cleary First Name: Patrick Spouse's Surname: Flannery Spouse's First Name: Bridget Father's Surname: Father's First Name: Mother's Surname: Mother's First Name: Year: 1838 Parish/District: Parish: CROSSBOYNE & TAGHEEN RC PARISH (RC) ____ The IFHF homepage can be found at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/ Before accessing indexes at the IFHF you'll first have to register. Registration is free. You'll also be able to access the marriage index for Patrick and Bridget that I did for free, but you will be charged to obtain a transcription of the record from the IFHF. You'll have to purchase credits with a credit card to obtain the transcription. The IFHF website has more information about purchasing credits for baptism, as well as birth, marriage, and death or burial transcriptions at: http://www.rootsireland.ie/index.php?id=78 One big advantage of ordering records from the IFHF is that as soon as credit card information is processed, the record is sent to your computer, so that you don't have to wait very long to view it. Next I looked for, but unfortunately did not find a baptism index for Mary Cleary at the IFHF website, but did uncover the baptism indexes for two more children of Patrick and Bridget. These baptisms are for Margaret Cleary (1841); and Patrick Cleary (1853). In the heading for Margaret's baptism you'll see in parenthesis "plus variants." This means that one of the surnames in the transcription will likely be spelled a little differently than it is spelled in the index. For example, the transcription may have Patrick's surname spelled as Clary, or Bridget's maiden name spelled as Flanery or maybe Flannry. You'll also notice that in both the baptism indexes below, Patrick's surname of Cleary is not present. This is because it is likely that the original baptism records for the two children didn't include his surname either, as it would have been understood that his surname, like his children's surnames, was also Cleary. The baptism indexes follow: 1 match for the search criteria: Cleary (plus variants) Margaret 1841 Parish: CROSSBOYNE & TAGHEEN RC PARISH (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Mayo Surname: Cleary First Name: Margaret Father's Surname: Father's First Name: Patrick Mother's Surname: Flannery Mother's First Name: Bridget Year: 1841 Parish/District: CROSSBOYNE & TAGHEEN RC PARISH (RC) ____ 1 match for the search criteria: Cleary Patrick 1853 Parish: CROSSBOYNE & TAGHEEN RC PARISH (RC) Record Type: Baptism/Birth Records for Co. Mayo Surname: Cleary First Name: Patrick Father's Surname: Father's First Name: Patrick Mother's Surname: Flannery Mother's First Name: Bridget Year: 1853 Parish/District: CROSSBOYNE & TAGHEEN RC PARISH (RC) ____ Information at the IFHF website shows that the Crossboyne & Tagheen Catholic parish baptisms commence in the year 1825, while marriages for the parish begin in 1791. This means that if Patrick Cleary and Bridget Flannery were born in the parish, there will likely not be baptisms for them, as they would have been born and baptized before the Crossboyne & Tagheen parish registers for the church begin. To view a Catholic Parish map for County Mayo, go to the Irish Times website link at: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/mayorc.htm I had a difficult time in locating the Catholic parish of Crossboyne & Tagheen on this map. The name of theparish on the map is spelled "Crossboyne & Taugheen." But this parish is situated in the lower right portion of the map, on the border with County Galway and County Roscommon. To the right of the parish of Crossboyne & Taugheen are the parishes of Kilcolman and Kilvine. To the left of Crossboyne & Taugheen is the parish of Kilcommon & Robeen. Just above Crossboyne & Taugheen is the Catholic parish of Mayo Abbey. The Catholic parish of Crossboyne & Tagheen/Taugheen was located in the Civil Parish of Crossboyne. Knowing this, I wanted to see if I could find Patrick Cleary in an Irish property tax record known as Griffiths Valuation. I didn't know if Patrick and his family had lived in Crossboyne, or perhaps in a nearby townland. I was hoping I would find out if I could locate Patrick in Griffiths Valuation. Griffiths Valuation, was enumerated in the 32 counties of Ireland between 1847 and 1864. The valuation for Civil Parish of Crossboyne, County Mayo, was completed by the year 1856. Unlike a census, Griffiths Valuation did not enumerate family members. Those named in the valuation were the people who leased property. Each person who paid to lease the property was called an "Occupier." The other person listed in Griffiths Valuation was the person who owned the property, or who worked as the middleman for the owner. This person was called the "Immediate Lessor." You can access Griffiths Valuation transcriptions and original copies for free at the askaboutireland website link at: http://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/index.xml I found a Patrick Cleary in Griffiths Valuation living in the townland of Curraghadooey, Civil Parish of Crossboyne, County Mayo. This entry for Patrick may refer to your Mary Clear's father. A transcription of Griffiths Valuation for Patrick Cleary is below: No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 13a Civil Parish: Crossboyne Townland: Curraghadooey Occupier: Patrick Cleary Immediate Lessor: George Vasey Description of Tenement: Land, house, and offices Area of Land: 16 Acres, 1 Rood, 39 Perches: Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 6 Pounds, 15 Shillings Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 10 Shillings Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 7 Pounds, 5 Shillings ____ Griffiths Valuation shows that Patrick Cleary leased over 16 acres of land, a house, and "offices," from an Immediate Lessor" name George Vasey. Because he leased several acres of land, you can surmise that Patrick was a farmer. The land was valued at 6 Pounds and 15 Shillings, while the house and offices were valued at 10 Shillings. The total valuation for Patrick's lease was 7 Pounds and 5 Shillings. He would have paid a percentage of this value toward the tax. An "office" in a Griffiths Valuation record could be any type of outbuilding, such as a barn, stable, blacksmith shop, etc. The map number at the top of the valuation entry (13a), refers to the location of Patrick's lease in Curraghadooey on an Ordnance Survey map from the time period. You can access this map from the index for Patrick Cleary at the Ask About Ireland website link. The Ordnance Survey Map is superimposed over a modern day map, so that you can compare the two maps. To view a Google Map of Crossboyne, go to: http://tinyurl.com/c8225gz On the map you'll see the letter A pointing to Crossboyne. On the upper right of the page, off the map, you'll see a prompt called "Directions," highlighted in blue. Click on Directions and a drop-down box labeled A will appear. In the A box type in Curraghadooey, Mayo, Ireland, and then click on "Get Directions." The next map that appears shows that the distance from Crossboyne to Curraghadooey, depending on the route taken, is 3.5 kilometers to 4 kilometers. This equals 2.2 to 2.5 miles. I found a description of Crossboyne from the 1837 edition of Lewis's Topographical Dictionary of Ireland. You can access the Topographical Dictionary for free from the Library Ireland website link at: http://www.libraryireland.com/topog/index.php This description from the Topographical Dictionary was written a year before Patrick Cleary and Bridget Flannery were married. The description follows: CROSSBOYNE, a parish, in the barony of CLANMORRIS, county of MAYO, and province of CONNAUGHT, 2 miles (S. E.) from Claremorris, on the road to Tuam; containing 5765 inhabitants. This parish comprises 9277 statute acres, as applotted under the tithe act, and valued at £6058 per annum. The land is good, and agriculture is gradually improving on the lands of the gentry, although modern implements are not generally adopted by the farmers; there is plenty of bog for fuel, and limestone is also found here. The surrounding scenery is richly diversified with wood and water; there are several delightful demesnes, of which the principal are Castlemagarett, the seat of Lord Oranmore, situated in a noble domain enriched with excellent timber; Brookhill, the residence of J. Lambert, Esq.; Farm-hill, of E. D. Gonne Bell, Esq.; Prospect, of F. Crean, Esq.; and the residence of the Rev. W. Crofton, rector. The village of Ballindine, or Ballindangan, in this parish, is described under its ow! n head. The living is a vicarage, in the diocese of Tuam, and in the patronage of the Archbishop; the rectory is partly appropriate to the dean of Tuam and the prebendary of Killabegs in the cathedral of Tuam, and partly impropriate in S. Lindsey Bucknall, Esq. The tithes amount to £307. 1. 5 œ., of which £62. 6. 1 œ. is payable to the impropriator, £209. 18. 4 Ÿ. to the incumbent, and the remainder to the dean and prebendary. The glebe-house was erected by aid of a gift of £100, and a loan of £300, in 1822, from the late Board of First Fruits: the glebe comprises four acres. The church is a plain old building with a chancel and a new tower, which was erected by aid of a loan of £350 in 1819, from the same Board; the Ecclesiastical Commissioners have recently granted £268 for its repair. In the R. C. divisions this parish is the head of two unions or districts, called Crossboyne and Ballindangan; the former comprises part of the parish of Crossboyne and the entire of that of Taugheen, and contains three chapels, one of which is a large slated building at Crossboyne; in the Ballindangan district are two chapels, one in the village of that name, and the other at Drymills. Lord Oranmore gives £10 per ann. towards the support of a grammar school; and his lady has a school at Ballindangan, towards which she allows £15 per annum, where the children are taught needlework and the manufacture of straw-plat. The Rev. Mr. Crofton also supports a school in connection with the Tuam Diocesan Society. The old fortress of Castlemagarrett is in ruins; in the demesne of Brookhill are several Druidical or Danish remains, and a choice collection of plants. In Crossboyne churchyard there are many ancient monuments of a rude character; and near Prospect House is a chalybeate spri! ng, the water of which is valuable as a tonic. ____ I can't be 100 percent sure that the IFHF indexes refer to your Cleary and Flannery ancestors, or that the Griffiths Valuation entry refers to your Patrick Cleary, but there is the possibility that they do. If you come to the conclusion that your Cleary and Flannery ancestors are from Curraghadooey, Crossboyne, County Mayo, you can view the existing parish registers for Crossboyne & Tagheen, as the Latter Day Saints (LDS), have filmed these registers. Below is information and microfilm number for the Crossboyne & Taugheen Catholic Parish registers: Parochial registers of Crossboyne and Tagheen , 1791-1913. Authors: Catholic Church. Parish of Crossboyne and Tagheen (Mayo) (Main Author) Format: Manuscript/Manuscript on Film Language: English Publication: Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmed by the Genealogical Society of Utah, 1984 Physical: on 1 microfilm reel ; 16 mm. References: (Has supplement) Crossboyne & Tagheen Parish baptisms Notes: Microfilm of original records at Tuam, Co. Galway. Some writing is faded and illegible. The Catholic parish of Crossboyne includes part of the civil parish of Crossboyne and all of the civil parish of Tagheen. There are three chapels. Parochial registers, baptisms, 1825-1913; marriages, 1791-1876. Family History Library BRITISH Film 1279211 Items 5 - 8 ____ The Crossboyne & Tagheen Catholic registers of baptisms and marriages can be found on LDS microfilm number 1279211. You can order this film from your local Family History Center. Or, if you don't have a Family History Center nearby, check with your local public library, as some public libraries accept LDS films. Next I wanted to see if any Flannerys were living in the Civil Parish of Crossboyne. I located three Flannerys in the parish. Two of these were Luke Flannery and John Flannery, leasing property in the townland of Ballyglass. The third Flannery was Michael, who leased property in the townland of Woodstock. The Griffiths Valuation entry for Luke Flannery below shows he leased over 30 acres of land in common with three other men in Ballyglass. These men were Martin Hannon, Christopher Hannon, and William Kenna. The Immediate Lessor was Charles Blake. The valuation for Luke's portion of the land, at Map Reference No. 9d, was 3 Pounds and 14 Shillings. Luke's house was valued at 2 Shillings. His total valuation for the house and his section of the land came to 3 Pounds and 16 Shillings. Luke would not have paid a tax on this property as only those properties valued over 5 Pounds were taxed. The valuation for Luke Flannery is below: No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 9d Civil Parish: Crossboyne Townland: Ballyglass Occupiers: Martin Hannon, Christopher Hannon, William Kenna, Luke Flannery Immediate Lessor: Charles Blake Description of Tenement: Land and house Area of Land: 30 Acres, 3 Roods, 5 Perches Rateable Annual Valuation of Land for Luke Flannery: 3 Pounds, 14 Shillings Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 2 Shillings Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 3 Pounds, 16 Shillings ____ Griffiths Valuation also shows that at Map Reference No. 10a, John Flannery and Miles Hannon leased in common over 18 acres of land from Charkes Blake. John's portion of the land was valued at 4 Pounds and 15 Shillings, while his house and "offices were valued at 5 Shillings. His total valuation was 5 Pounds: No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 10a Civil Parish: Crossboyne Townland: Ballyglass Occupiers: John Flannery, Miles Hannon Immediate Lessor: Charles Blake Description of Tenement: Land, house, & offices Area of Land: 18 Acres, 3 Roods, 8 Perches Rateable Annual Valuation of Land for John Flannery: 4 Pounds, 15 Shillings Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 5 Shillings Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 5 Pounds ____ Below is the Griffiths Valuation entry for Michael Flannery, who leased property from Dominick E. Browne in the townland of Woodstock (at Map Reference No. 13a), Civil Parish of Crossboyne. Michael leased over 6 acres of land valued at 3 Pounds and 3 Shillings, while his house was valued at 5 Shillings. The total valuation for Michael Flannery's lease was 3 Pounds and 8 Shillings No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 13a Civil Parish: Crossboyne Townland: Woodstock Occupier: Michael Flannery Immediate Lessor: Dominick E. Browne Description of Tenement: Land and house Area of Land: 6 Acres, 1 Rood, 7 Perches, Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 3 Pounds, 3 Shillings Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 5 Shillings Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 3 Pounds, 8 Shillings ____ Luke, John, and Michael Flannery may have been related to John Cleary's wife Bridget. One of the Flannerys may have been Bridget's father. MARTIN MELICAN Next I looked for the baptism index for a Martin Melican (and variant surname spellings), son of Martin Melican and Kate/Catherine Hapnick, but didn't find it at the IFHF website for any of the member counties. I located only one Martin Melican in Griffiths Valuation, leasing property in the townland of Curraghphilipeen, Civil Parish of Mothel, County Waterford. The valuation was completed by the year 1850. A transcription of the Griffiths Valuation entry for Martin Melican, from the Ask About Ireland website link, is below: No. and Letters of Reference to Map: 1 Civil Parish: Mothel Townland: Curraghphilipeen Occupier: Martin Melican Immediate Lessor: Earl of Huntingdon Description of Tenement: House, offices, & land Area of Land: 53 Acres, 2 Roods, 18 Perches: Rateable Annual Valuation of Land: 36 Pounds, 10 Shillings Rateable Annual Valuation of Buildings: 4 Pounds, 10 Shillings Total Annual Valuation of Rateable Property: 41 Pounds ____ Griffiths Valuation shows that Martin Melican leased over 53 acres of land from the Earl of Huntingdon in the townland of Curraghphilipeen. The land was valued at 36 Pounds and 10 Shillings. Martin's house and outbuildings were valued at 4 Pounds and 10 Shillings. The value of the buildings that Martin leased is an indication that his house may have been of considerable size. The total valuation for Martin Melican's property was 41 Pounds. This entry may refer to your Martin Melican's father, but it is impossible to prove that just from the Griffiths Valuation entry alone. A stronger case could be made that the Griffiths Valuation entry refers to your Martin's father if you discover that he came from County Waterford. I couldn't find any records in Ireland for the surname Hapnick. Are you sure that Hapnick was Kate Melican's maiden name? Best of luck with your research. Dave Boylan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.