This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PatWicklow Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7876.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Clare, There won't be a civil birth record in Ireland for Timothy because he was born before civil registration of births started in 1864 after he was born. Even if he was born after civil registration of births started in Ireland you'd still need his parents names and birth location in Mayo to get his birth record. No census records survive here before 1901. Church parish records for his birthplace in Mayo and his religious denomination are the possible location for a baptismal record if the church records for his birth location survive. You can search the 1891 and 1901 England census records and even the 1871 England census if he was there then to see if his birth location in Mayo is included in one of those. Otherwise you'll have to get his marriage information there from the church to see if it includes where he was born in Mayo and his parents names. His children's church baptismal records might include his birthplace in Mayo. Also his obituary, tombstone, and cemetery record. All the England civil registration records are available online. Those will help you find the local marriage and children's baptisms in England. You'll need to find out what his religious denomination was also. There's a list of the names of all the towns and townlands in Mayo at the Ireland Townland Database link I previously gave you. http://www.seanruad.com and pick Mayo as your search county from the drop down menu. There are 3505 towns and townlands in Mayo where he could have been born. There are no records here about who left, where they went. There were no ship passenger records from Ireland to England. Pat Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.