Hi Rachel and Barbara, The Mayo ancestors marriage search site http://www.mayoancestors.com/default.aspx?DepartmentID=MA isn't a complete source for marriages in County Mayo. Not finding a marriage record there for John O'Malley and Jane Ryder doesn't necessarily mean they weren't married in County Mayo. The Ireland wide http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/, the Mayo specific http://mayo.brsgenealogy.com/ and the Mayo ancestors http://www.mayoancestors.com sites aren't complete sources for birth (i.e. baptismal) records to determine where all the John O'Malleys and Jane Ryders were born either in County Mayo or in Ireland for the period before 1864 when civil registration of births started in Ireland. That's because church parish records for all locations don't survive for all years. This lack of complete recordes for all locations is shown in the list of church parish records included on the Mayo Ancestors website; scroll down the page for the various parishes for all religious denominations to find the years covered. As you can see the dates vary considerably: http://www.mayoancestors.com/default.aspx?DepartmentID=2002&Doc=Articles\Parish_Start_Dates.htm Those dates however can also be somewhat misleading since not all years of the parish records survive from the beginning dates either. For example, if you click on each Roman Catholic parish on the following map of the RC parishes in Co. Nayo, you'll find that years or parts of years after the commencement dates of the parish records can also be missing: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/mayorc.htm Searching http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/ also requires identifying what records are included in the database for each county and how complete the church parish records are for all years. Click on the map for all the counties included in the online database http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/map.php, then click on the map for the individual county whose digitised records are included in the database (all counties have digitised their records, not all have agreed to particioage in the BRS scheme). In the individual county page you then need to click on the notation that says ** For a detailed list of the records that are searchable, click here and that will bring up the names and dates of the church parish records included in the database for that county. Galway for example is divided into East Galway and West Galway and parish records there don't cover all years either. Here ate the East Galway parish records listed included on the website showing the dates for each: http://galwayeast.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase Here are the West Galway records included: http://galwaywest.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase Some counties haven't even listed the records included on their database, Cavan for example is still compiling the list of what records they've included on their database: http://cavan.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase Additionally the records transcribed from the parish records onto the databases were done by FAS trainees -- FAS is a job training agency -- and the trainees were learning how to use computers by computerising the parish records. Records wise, therefore, it would be impossible in County Mayo to determine where Jane Ryder and John O'Malley who emigrated to Cincinnati were actually born because of lack of complete parish records for all years for all locations in the county. Even if the records were complete for all years and all locations there are no parents names for either of them. Barbara, you'll need to do additional research in their and their children's civil and church records in Cincinnati to find out the town or townland where they were born in Mayo and their parents names. Then you can identify if the church parish records survive for those birth locations back to their birth years, The records to search in the US include John's US Naturalisation records, their children's birth records and church baptismal records, their obituaries, cemetery records, tombstones, and church death records. Oceanstrands --- On Sat, 11/15/08, Rachel Goulet <elsoar@gmail.com> wrote: > From: Rachel Goulet <elsoar@gmail.com> > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] IRL-MAYO Jane Ryder and John O'Malley > To: IRL-MAYO@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, November 15, 2008, 2:16 AM > Hi Barbara, > > I'm just getting started in Ireland too, but since I > found a few websites > the other week, I'm completely obsessed. > > For Co. Mayo, > http://www.mayoancestors.com/default.aspx?DepartmentID=MA > allows > you to search marriage records by the names of both spouses > or either > spouse. You do have to enter a year though. > > http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com allows you to search across > Ireland (although a > few counties haven't digitized their records yet), and > there are very few > entries for Jane Ryder plus variants, so that's very > lucky!: > Church Marriage Ryder Jane 1833 Co. Mayo > Church Marriage Ryder Jane 1833 Co. Galway - No John > Malley in Galway > that year. > Church Marriage Rider Jane 1846 Co. Mayo > Civil Marriage Ryder Jane 1878 Co. Mayo - too late > Church Marriage Ryder Jane 1878 Co. Mayo - too late > > Church Marriage Malley John 1833 Co. Mayo > Church Marriage Maly John 1846 Co. Mayo > > Then on the county specific site at > http://mayo.brsgenealogy.com/ you can > search through the individual parishes to narrow things > down: > > 1833 Jane Ryder Mayo entry: Parish: AGLISH RC PARISH (RC), > no John Malley > that year > 1846 Jane Ryder Mayo entry: Parish: BACKS/KNOCKMORE (RC), > no John Malley > that year > > So unless one of them was transcribed wrong or married > under a different > name it looks like your couple did not get married in Mayo! > Looking > further: > > >From the mayoancestors site I can see that the 1846 > Jane Rider married > Terence Rotchford (by searching just for Jane in 1846). > And that 1833 Jane > married Michael Malley. > Is it possible that your John Malley had a second name or > changed his name > later in life? Do you know the names and approx ages of > any children that > might've been born to them in Ireland to help > correlate, or their ages at > death in the US that could possibly rule out the 1833 > marriage if they > would've been too young then? > > Anyway, hope this helps! > > Rachel > > ----------------------------------- > Message: 7 > > My 3great grandparents were Jane Ryder and John > O'Malley from County Mayo. > They show up on the 1860 US census in Cincinnati, Ohio, so > they emigrated > before 1860 and were married in Ireland. Their death certs > say only County > Mayo. I'd like to find their townland in Co. Mayo and > connections in > Ireland. > Isn't there a way to do a comparison of households in > Co. Mayo prior to 1860 > that had the names O'Malley and Ryder? > Thanks in advance to anyone who can advise me. > Barbara in St. Louis, Missouri USA > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message