Dear Oceanstrands, it took a bit of detective work: Before 1st January, 2002 it was expensive to find out anything from the 1901 census. After due, monetary, consideration I sent in a query. One had to be a) the person; b) have the person's written permission; c) have written permission of a direct descendant. Also the person's address had to be given. I sent in the form, giving myself permission being as it was my grandmother I was enquiring about. The address posed a problem but my father was 6 months old and my grandfather a coast guard. So I gave 'Coast Guard Cottages', Mothecombe, Devon as the address. The reply came back stating Cork as my grandmother's place of birth. Next, I sent to Dublin for her birth certificate. What came back was not as informative as the ones for mainland Britain but gave her father's name, rank and regiment. Was this the correct person? Well, a search of the regimental registers gave me more children. Their christian names were family names, which was a clue. I followed Lawrence back through the regimental musters until I came to an entry: volunteer. So that was when he had joined. At that date the regiment was recruiting in Trim. Lawrence married in Portsmouth, which is where his wife was from. In the 1871 census his place of birth was given as 'Ireland'. Family History can be hard work! Regards, Anne ======================================== Message Received: Apr 26 2009, 10:49 AM From: "Oceanstrands" To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters Hi Anne, If all Lawrence's British military records were destroyed, then how do you know he enlisted in the British Army in Trim and gave his year of birth as 1840 and was on assignment to Ireland in 1876? Oceanstrands --- On Sat, 4/25/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 2:50 AM > Dear 'Oceanstrands, > > when a british > soldier was discharged to pension or if he died in service, > then the attestation papers for him are in Kew. > Unfortunately, my Lawrence died from a surfeit of alcohol so > his papers would have been destroyed. I understand > that, when a soldier died his place of birth is entered at > the back of the last muster book in which he would have been > entered. To add to my frustration, this muster has > been lost. > Thank you for your reply. > > Regards, > > Anne > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Apr 25 2009, 12:02 PM > From: "Oceanstrands" > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > > > Anne, > > Civil registration didn't start in Ireland until 1864 so > there won't be a civil birth record for him. There aren't > any surviving census records before 1901. > > Trim is in County Meath and there's a possibility if that's > where he enlisted he might have been from that area. Did you > get his British military records from Kew in England? Don't > they include where he was born? > > You'll want to search in County Meath in the Roman Catholic > parish records in the county. > > Oceanstrandds > > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > wrote: > > > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > > > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > > Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 5:38 AM > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > I am trying to find out where my greatgrandfather, > Lawrence > > Waters, was born. It would have been around 1844. > > > > He joined the army in 1856, enlisting in Trim. Giving > his > > birth year as 1840, he would have received the bounty > of a > > man instead of that for a boy. He then went abroad and > was > > only back in Ireland for a short spell of duty in > > 1876. I have no idea which part of Ireland he > came > > from. > > > > The three indications I have for his year of birth are > on > > his marriage certificate, 1871 census and death > certificate. > > They all indicate a birth year of 1844. > > > > His marriage and death certificates state that his > father's > > name was James and that he was a clerk. His eldest > child's > > christian names were Kathleen Jane Etheridge (Kathleen > after > > his mother or a sister? Jane Etheridge were his > mother's > > christian names). > > > > His children were baptized by the roman catholic army > > chaplain. > > > > Have any of you come across Lawrence? > > > > Yours sincerely, > > Anne Vinnicombe > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message