Well done Anne! You are a good detective. Here's the link to Trim RC parish, I'd start there looking for Lawrence's baptismal record: http://www.dioceseofmeath.ie/parishes/trim.html Here's the link for the other parishes: http://www.dioceseofmeath.ie/parishes/index.html Here's another map of the RC parishes in Co. Meath, click on each one and you'll find the dates for the parish records: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/meathrc.htm Here's some information about Trim: http://www.trimtown.com/ http://www.irishtourist.com/meath/towns/trim/ Oceanstrands --- On Sun, 4/26/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk <anne@celliddu.freeserve..co.uk> wrote: > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk <anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 1:55 AM > Dear Oceanstrands, >                 >           it took a bit of > detective work: > > Before 1st January, 2002 it was expensive to find out > anything from the 1901 census.  After due, monetary, > consideration I sent in a query.  One had to be a) the > person; b) have the person's written permission; c) have > written permission of a direct descendant.  Also the > person's address had to be given. > I sent in the form, giving myself permission being as it > was my grandmother I was enquiring about.  The address > posed a problem but my father was 6 months old and my > grandfather a coast guard.  So I gave 'Coast Guard > Cottages', Mothecombe, Devon as the address.  > The reply came back stating Cork as my grandmother's place > of birth. > > Next, I sent to Dublin for her birth certificate.  > What came back was not as informative as the ones for > mainland Britain but gave her father's name, rank and > regiment. > > Was this the correct person?  Well, a search of the > regimental registers gave me more children.  Their > christian names were family names, which was a clue. > > I followed Lawrence back through the regimental musters > until I came to an entry: volunteer.  So that was when > he had joined.  At that date the regiment was > recruiting in Trim. > > Lawrence married in Portsmouth, which is where his wife was > from.  In the 1871 census his place of birth was given > as 'Ireland'. > > Family History can be hard work! > > Regards, >             Anne > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Apr 26 2009, 10:49 AM > From: "Oceanstrands" > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > > > Hi Anne, > > If all Lawrence's British military records were destroyed, > then how do you know he enlisted in the British Army in Trim > and gave his year of birth as 1840 and was on assignment to > Ireland in 1876? > > Oceanstrands > > --- On Sat, 4/25/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > wrote: > > > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > > > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > > Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 2:50 AM > > Dear 'Oceanstrands, > >                > > >          >    when a british > > soldier was discharged to pension or if he died in > service, > > then the attestation papers for him are in Kew. > > Unfortunately, my Lawrence died from a surfeit of > alcohol so > > his papers would have been destroyed.  I > understand > > that, when a soldier died his place of birth is > entered at > > the back of the last muster book in which he would > have been > > entered.  To add to my frustration, this muster > has > > been lost. > > Thank you for your reply. > > > > Regards, > >              > >    Anne > > > > > > > > > > ======================================== > > Message Received: Apr 25 2009, 12:02 PM > > From: "Oceanstrands" > > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > > Cc: > > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > > > > > > > Anne, > > > > Civil registration didn't start in Ireland until 1864 > so > > there won't be a civil birth record for him. There > aren't > > any surviving census records before 1901. > > > > Trim is in County Meath and there's a possibility if > that's > > where he enlisted he might have been from that area. > Did you > > get his British military records from Kew in England? > Don't > > they include where he was born? > > > > You'll want to search in County Meath in the Roman > Catholic > > parish records in the county. > > > > Oceanstrandds > > > > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > > wrote: > > > > > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > > > > > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 5:38 AM > > > > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > > I am trying to find out where my > greatgrandfather, > > Lawrence > > > Waters, was born. It would have been around > 1844. > > > > > > He joined the army in 1856, enlisting in Trim. > Giving > > his > > > birth year as 1840, he would have received the > bounty > > of a > > > man instead of that for a boy. He then went > abroad and > > was > > > only back in Ireland for a short spell of duty > in > > > 1876.  I have no idea which part of Ireland > he > > came > > > from. > > > > > > The three indications I have for his year of > birth are > > on > > > his marriage certificate, 1871 census and death > > certificate. > > > They all indicate a birth year of 1844. > > > > > > His marriage and death certificates state that > his > > father's > > > name was James and that he was a clerk. His > eldest > > child's > > > christian names were Kathleen Jane Etheridge > (Kathleen > > after > > > his mother or a sister? Jane Etheridge were his > > mother's > > > christian names). > > > > > > His children were baptized by the roman catholic > army > > > chaplain. > > > > > > Have any of you come across Lawrence? > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > Anne Vinnicombe > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >