This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waseely2007 Surnames: Classification: census Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/1732.1.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: This O'Malley family was headed by a schoolmarm and her children have to all be in their 60-70's and above at the present time. They resided on a farm heading toward the Quay just outside of Westport. The Higgins family was raised approximately 8 miles South of Westport along Route 59 and are primarily buried in the R. C. Church yard in Oughavel. Glad to run into a " strain " of Higgins, I shall advise my wife. Bill Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Apologies if I'm restating common knowledge, but did everyone know that the 1838 Ordnance Survey Map of Mayo (1. Edition, Six-Inch) is available for viewing online at the Mayo County Library web site? http://www.mayolibrary.ie/maps/data/MapsData/index.htm Is that the same or different from the Discovery maps mentioned in this recent thread? Joe -- Joseph W. Mann Jr. joe@mannfamily.cc The Origins Genealogy Project at www.mannfamily.cc/public/index.html Member, The Hudson County Genealogical Society at www.HudsonCountyNJGenealogy.org

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: jeanbarrynella Surnames: O MALLEY RAFFERTY Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/1732.1.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Bill I have a Mary O Malley she was the daughter of Francis Fox this is on my Rafferty side of the family i also have Higgins on both side of my family . Regards jean Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I have been reading these messages for about a year,, and I thank you very much for letting me look over your shoulders. I have learned a lot about Ireland and doing genealogical research.   I got started trying to find out more about my g-mother Catherine Duffy. I am very curious about her, since she apparently paid a very high price for marrying my g-father Albert Robinson. Our families split because she was ex-communicated when she married , and apparently it scarred everyone, because I never remember meeting any Duffy relatives, even though they probably lived only 15 miles away.  My mother would not talk about it. Her parents John(P), b1841/1843, and Ann(Duffy), b 1842 were probably from County Mayo. They show up in the 1870 US Census in Pilesgrove Township of New Jersey. I surmise old John sent his 17 year daughter to be a servant in someones house in Woodstown, NJ, and there she must have met Albert Robinson, apparently a charming young "sport" from a well-to-do old farming family in South Jersey. After reading on this mailing list about the Irish Famine and how the Irish Catholics were treated, I can better understand the split and the bitterness. I can't imagine anything that hurt old John more than his daughter running away with an English Protestant.   I have to get back to NJ and do some digging before I can find out more.

Dear All, This is my first post to the Mayo list in 15 months. I've only recently discovered how to remove the HTML tagline which AOL added to my mail and caused Rootsweb to strip the content of my mail as a suspected virus or trojan. Regarding the maps on the www.bernieworld.net site: They are nothing special. Just reproduced segments of the ordinary Discovery maps 30 and 31 for this part of Mayo.....which I assume everyone already has [gr]. There are actually 10 Discovery maps needed to completely cover the county. These two maps are based on aerial photography flown in 1973 (by the French Air Force, as I recall) and have been updated periodically since then. I wonder how Bernie obtained permission to use the OSI maps.....they are usually very strict about the use of their maps. Perhaps, as it involves only a couple of the Mayo maps, it would be allowed under Fair Use considerations. Or, perhaps, he had to pay the "big bucks" for the rights..... But the feature locating the various placenames on the maps could be very useful to some - although his reference to latitude and longitude as the nature of the grid numbers is incorrect. These are truncated numbers using the Irish National Grid, and is a much better way to locate places in Ireland and N. Ireland on the newer OS maps than lat/long. coordinates. Pete .............................................................................. ... Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Hi Karla, If the civil death records don't have them, their church death records might. Here's a link to the US census records forms from 1790 to 1930, click on each form to see the level of detail it contains about the emigrants: http://www.ancestry.com/charts/census.aspx If you look at 1900 under personal description, the month and year of birth are included. It also includes number of years of present marriage which will help you pinpoint when they married. Lower on the same form on the left is year of immigration to the US as well as year of naturalisation. That should help confirm when each left Ireland and help search for ships passenger records for them in the US. That information will help find out if they married after they emigrated to the US or before. If after, then you can look for the marriage record there, both civil and church. Oceanstrands --- EverettKA@bak.rr.com wrote: > I will be cautious. Hopefully, the death > certificates will offer some names > of parents. I'll also check around to see what is > available in Crawford > County, Pennsylvania. > > I'm enjoying all the posts to the mailing list. So > glad I joined. > > Thanks to all. > > Karla > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Oceanstrands" <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> > To: <irl-mayo@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:21 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Bridget Loftus - Thomas > Hannigan m. abt. 1889 > > > > Hi Karla, > > > > I wouldn't just use the obituaries as the > definitive > > word for information about both Bridget and Thomas > or > > as the vehicle to begin searching for them in > Ireland. > > I wonder if you have the correct ones for each of > them > > since they're so different about what they say > about > > the couple. > > > > With the absence of complete records here such as > > census records for the 1800s, vital records before > > 1864 and complete church parish records, you need > > real detail about them in order to find out what > > records might survive for them and how they can be > > searched here. As I mentioned the church records > for > > Kilmaine in County Mayo don't go back far enough > to > > include Thomas baptismal information. > > > > At the very minimum you need each of their parents > > names, dates of birth and birthplaces which is the > > town/townland, civil parish and county. (see > > http://www.seanruad.com ) As I mentioned, there > are > > three Kilmaines in Ireland so Kilmaine Ireland as > a > > birth location could be any of the three in three > > different counties. > > > > A Bridget Loftus in County Mayo isn't specific > enough > > to find her birth location from this side of the > pond > > in Mayo, you'd need to search her records in the > US to > > find the additional detail you need about her > before > > you can begin searching here. > > > > You should look for a marriage record in the US > too > > and search for both the civil marriage record as > well > > as the church marriage record. You can search for > the > > marriage records wherever the first children were > born > > in the US. Also search the US census records for > > Bridget emigrating as a child and being in the US > > census records in 1880 in the location where the > first > > children were born. > > > > The 1910 and 1900 US census records should help > with > > year of emigration for Bridget and Thomas as well > as > > date of naturalisation, exact birth dates > > (month/year), number of years married, etc. > > > > Oceanstrands > > > > --- EverettKA@bak.rr.com wrote: > > > >> Thank you all for your interest in Hannigan and > >> Loftus. Your responses are > >> much more than I expected. > >> > >> This is my first opportunity to do any Irish > >> research and I'm very excited. > >> > >> I have searched for Thomas Hannigan in the 1880 > >> census, but have not been > >> able to identify him. With the alternate > spellings > >> you have provided, maybe > >> I will have more luck. Same with the ships > lists. > >> I will visit the sites > >> you all suggested this evening. > >> > >> I obtained the obituaries via an online newspaper > >> subscription service. I'm > >> unclear about copy rights in situations such as > >> this. I would be happy to > >> forward the obituaries to anyone who would like > to > >> look at them - or I can > >> post them to the mailing list if someone can tell > me > >> if this is 'legal.' > >> > >> Thank you, again. As soon as the death > certificates > >> arrive, I will post new > >> information regarding this family. > >> > >> Karla in Bakersfield > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Oceanstrands" <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> > >> To: <irl-mayo@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:25 AM > >> Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Bridget Loftus - Thomas > >> Hannigan m. abt. 1889 > >> > >> > >> > Hi David, > >> > > >> > There were 256 families in the County Mayo 1901 > >> census > >> > named Loftus, that's families, not people. > Their > >> > locations were all over County Mayo. > >> > > >> > One unnamed Loftus who married an unnamed Joyce > >> with > >> > unknown parents names born on onknown dates who > >> went > >> > to Maine in the US at some unknown time period > >> with > >> > possible connections to a mispelled > >> Shaunaferaghaun > >> > really doesn't help find where Bridget Loftus > who > >> > married Thomas Hannigan in the late 1880s was > born > >> in > >> > County Mayo or her parents names. > >> > > >> > Oceanstrands > >> > > >> > > >> > --- David Soule <daithi@maine.rr.com> wrote: > >> > > >> >> For what it's worth; > >> >> > >> >> My understanding from a woman from Derry Park > >> Mayo, > >> >> is that Loftus is a name > >> >> common to [I'm never going to get this > spelling > >> >> anywhere correct...sorry] > >> >> Shaunaferaghaun. A loftus married a Joyce and > >> came > >> >> to Portland, Maine to be > >> >> near relatives. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> >> From: "Oceanstrands" <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> > >> >> To: <irl-mayo@rootsweb.com> > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:22 AM > >> >> Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Bridget Loftus - > Thomas > >> >> Hannigan m. abt. 1889 > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > --- Ejljbl@aol.com wrote: > >> >> > "He went back to Ireland and was probably > >> living > >> >> > close to Her in order to meet & Marry Her". > >> >> > > >> >> > Probably? Not at all probably!! You need to > >> keep > >> >> your > >> >> > assumptions in check Ed because you can get > >> lost > >> >> with > >> >> > those ideas. He was in the US already, > there's > >> a > >> >> > question about whether Bridget emigrated to > the > >> US > >> >> as > >> >> > a child or as an adult (big difference > >> there)and > >> >> > conflicting obituaries for each of them! > More > >> >> research > >> >> > is needed in their US records. Looking for > the > >> >> > marriage record there?? And for Bridget > there > >> in > >> >> the > >> >> > US census? > >> >> > > >> >> > It's also questionable whether his US census > >> >> records > >> >> > show his income, employment and monetary > status > >> >> there > >> >> > was sufficient enough for him to have > afforded > >> to > >> >> come > >> >> > bsck to Ireland at all (and afford the > return > >> >> journey > >> >> > for two of them) and left his job there to > do > >> it?. > >> >> > > >> >> > There are no Loftus families in Kilmaine in > >> County > >> >> > Mayo in the 1901 Census and just one person > >> there > >> >> with > >> >> > the surname Loftus who's the parish priest, > >> born > >> >> in > >> >> > Roscommon! > >> >> > > >> >> > And there are three Kilmaines in Ireland > where > >> >> Thomas > >> >> > could have been born, not just one in County > >> Mayo. > >> >> > > >> >> > You've gotten way ahead of yourself Ed! > >> >> > > >> >> > Oceanstrands > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > ------------------------------- > >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > >> email > >> >> to > >> >> > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> >> 'unsubscribe' without the > >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the > >> message > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > >> email > >> >> to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject > >> and > >> >> the body of the message > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email > >> to > >> > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the > message > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email > >> to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and > >> the body of the message > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to > > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Streamstown Townland and Belclare Townland are still there, Streamstown's name wasn't changed. Property is being sold in Streamstown. Prospectors licences were given to companies including the townlands of Streamstown and Belclare in 1988 and those are included in the Dáil Éireann debates in the following, scroll down the page about halfway, listed under the map coordinates O.S. 1” 74, 84; 6” Mayo 87-8, 97 http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0379/D.0379.198804200032.html There was road widening/bend correction in Streamstown in 1999: http://www.excavations.ie/Pages/Details.php?Year=&County=Mayo&id=670 Oceanstrands --- Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I contacted him. His reply is The detail maps of > the Clew Bay area are from the Ordnance Survey. It > says that the base maps are from 1975 and were > updated in 1999. > > This surprised me, because at least from the > 1960s, the family use Belclare as the townland name. > Remember stopping at the post office for some > reason years ago and got into a discussion re: old > townland names and the new ones. I know the names > show up on the various sites which is good for > people researching. The names if they got them for > townland, were from their ancestors who emigrated in > the 19th and early 20th century. > > Yes, I would assume so. Didn't check it out > because I'm on Ancestry.com so use that link. > 1900 Federal Census was the first one for this > area which actually put street names on the side of > each sheet. Earlier census did not which makes some > research difficult unless you know the wards. Which > also changed over the years. Street names also > changed in 1906 which even further complicates > research. > > I'm not at home, so do not have those websites but > if someone would like them for the Wards of Cuyahoga > County, The street name changes, etc. I can put > them online tomorrow morning. Baby sitting and > decided to check my mail.

Hi Margaret, Yes it came to the list and I received a copy. If you look at the list archives on the Rootsweb site you'll see it there: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/IRL-MAYO/ Don Mullan from Concern Ireland (a worldwide charitable aid organisation) published a booklet in the mid-1990s to commemorate the Famine in Mayo and it had maps of the Famine sites in the county including locations of Famine graves. Every May there's a Famine Walk in Mayo (it was held this year on May 18) called the Doolough Famine walk. It's a ten mile walk to commemorate hundreds of people who died on the road in the Doolough Valley overnight on March 30-31, 1849. The people were told they had to be certified by British Government officials as paupers in order to get any food (3 pounds of the dreaded corn meal) but to be certified they had to appear at Delphi Lodge, ten miles away at 7 a.m. They walked overnight to Delphi Lodge in wintry conditions including snow. When they arrived at Delphi Lodge they were refused food and admission to the Workhouse there. They had to then walk the ten mile return journey. Exhausted and starving, hundreds of them died along the roads on the return journey. They had no proper burial. Oceanstrands --- conaught2 <conaught2@charter.net> wrote: > > Please excuse this post, I want to see if it apears > in my inbox. Yesterday I > wrote a long post about the above topic and it did > not appear in my inbox > and wonder if anyone received it on the list. > > Go raibh maith agat, > Margaret (Máiread) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Hi Pete, I was likewise wondering how Bernie had permission from the Ordnance Survey Office here in Ireland to post those maps to his website since they don't allow anyone to claim rights to the maps and they're very clear about that. He also conveniently hasn't noted the source for the maps nor the years they're from on his website. He's offering paid genealogical services which makes the website a commercially related one too. The Mayo Discovery maps are really basic "tools" for anyone researching Mayo ancestors. Oceanstrands --- PeteScherm@aol.com wrote: > Regarding the maps on the www.bernieworld.net > site: They are nothing > special. Just reproduced segments of the ordinary > Discovery maps 30 and 31 for > this part of Mayo.....which I assume everyone > already has [gr]. There are > actually 10 Discovery maps needed to completely > cover the county. These two maps > are based on aerial photography flown in 1973 (by > the French Air Force, as I > recall) and have been updated periodically since > then. > > I wonder how Bernie obtained permission to use the > OSI maps.....they are > usually very strict about the use of their maps. > Perhaps, as it involves only a > couple of the Mayo maps, it would be allowed under > Fair Use considerations. > Or, perhaps, he had to pay the "big bucks" for the > rights..... But the feature > locating the various placenames on the maps could be > very useful to some - > although his reference to latitude and longitude as > the nature of the grid > numbers is incorrect. These are truncated numbers > using the Irish National Grid, > and is a much better way to locate places in Ireland > and N. Ireland on the newer > OS maps than lat/long. coordinates. > > Pete ... > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills > of western Massachusetts >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: gerrydwyer1 Surnames: Mulrooney Dwyer Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/3068.4.1.3.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Pat We are related I am 65 yrs old married and living in Livingston Scotland My gran was Catherine Dwyer (nee Mulrooney ) She had at least two sisters and two brothers and came from Bunree in Ballina I think her mothers maiden name was Hope One sister Bridget married a Shaw and her other sister (?) also maried a Shaw The two Shaws were brothers One of them was the Harbourmaster for the port of Ballina and lived in a tied house at the Quay in Ballina Catherine was a schoolteacher in Ballina, married soldier George Patrick Dwyer of Ballina in the 1890s who was one of 8 sons and 3 daughters of William Dwyer and Catherine McDade William got an award from Queen Victoria in 1901 for having 6 sons in the British Army ( you might have thought his wife should have got an award for having 11 kids) but there you go He was drowned in the bay in Jan 2001 shortly after receiving the commendation from the Queen Catherine and George eventually settled in Mossend in Scotland around 1900 and raised 6 kids, 4 girls and two boys one of whom was my dad George Dwyer b 1908 d 1958 Sadly his elder brother Billy b 1904 passed away in Canada on 29 May 2008 at the age of 104 He gave me much of the info above Hope this helps Regards Gerry Dwyer Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I will be cautious. Hopefully, the death certificates will offer some names of parents. I'll also check around to see what is available in Crawford County, Pennsylvania. I'm enjoying all the posts to the mailing list. So glad I joined. Thanks to all. Karla ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oceanstrands" <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> To: <irl-mayo@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:21 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Bridget Loftus - Thomas Hannigan m. abt. 1889 > Hi Karla, > > I wouldn't just use the obituaries as the definitive > word for information about both Bridget and Thomas or > as the vehicle to begin searching for them in Ireland. > I wonder if you have the correct ones for each of them > since they're so different about what they say about > the couple. > > With the absence of complete records here such as > census records for the 1800s, vital records before > 1864 and complete church parish records, you need > real detail about them in order to find out what > records might survive for them and how they can be > searched here. As I mentioned the church records for > Kilmaine in County Mayo don't go back far enough to > include Thomas baptismal information. > > At the very minimum you need each of their parents > names, dates of birth and birthplaces which is the > town/townland, civil parish and county. (see > http://www.seanruad.com ) As I mentioned, there are > three Kilmaines in Ireland so Kilmaine Ireland as a > birth location could be any of the three in three > different counties. > > A Bridget Loftus in County Mayo isn't specific enough > to find her birth location from this side of the pond > in Mayo, you'd need to search her records in the US to > find the additional detail you need about her before > you can begin searching here. > > You should look for a marriage record in the US too > and search for both the civil marriage record as well > as the church marriage record. You can search for the > marriage records wherever the first children were born > in the US. Also search the US census records for > Bridget emigrating as a child and being in the US > census records in 1880 in the location where the first > children were born. > > The 1910 and 1900 US census records should help with > year of emigration for Bridget and Thomas as well as > date of naturalisation, exact birth dates > (month/year), number of years married, etc. > > Oceanstrands > > --- EverettKA@bak.rr.com wrote: > >> Thank you all for your interest in Hannigan and >> Loftus. Your responses are >> much more than I expected. >> >> This is my first opportunity to do any Irish >> research and I'm very excited. >> >> I have searched for Thomas Hannigan in the 1880 >> census, but have not been >> able to identify him. With the alternate spellings >> you have provided, maybe >> I will have more luck. Same with the ships lists. >> I will visit the sites >> you all suggested this evening. >> >> I obtained the obituaries via an online newspaper >> subscription service. I'm >> unclear about copy rights in situations such as >> this. I would be happy to >> forward the obituaries to anyone who would like to >> look at them - or I can >> post them to the mailing list if someone can tell me >> if this is 'legal.' >> >> Thank you, again. As soon as the death certificates >> arrive, I will post new >> information regarding this family. >> >> Karla in Bakersfield >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Oceanstrands" <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> >> To: <irl-mayo@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 7:25 AM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Bridget Loftus - Thomas >> Hannigan m. abt. 1889 >> >> >> > Hi David, >> > >> > There were 256 families in the County Mayo 1901 >> census >> > named Loftus, that's families, not people. Their >> > locations were all over County Mayo. >> > >> > One unnamed Loftus who married an unnamed Joyce >> with >> > unknown parents names born on onknown dates who >> went >> > to Maine in the US at some unknown time period >> with >> > possible connections to a mispelled >> Shaunaferaghaun >> > really doesn't help find where Bridget Loftus who >> > married Thomas Hannigan in the late 1880s was born >> in >> > County Mayo or her parents names. >> > >> > Oceanstrands >> > >> > >> > --- David Soule <daithi@maine.rr.com> wrote: >> > >> >> For what it's worth; >> >> >> >> My understanding from a woman from Derry Park >> Mayo, >> >> is that Loftus is a name >> >> common to [I'm never going to get this spelling >> >> anywhere correct...sorry] >> >> Shaunaferaghaun. A loftus married a Joyce and >> came >> >> to Portland, Maine to be >> >> near relatives. >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Oceanstrands" <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> >> >> To: <irl-mayo@rootsweb.com> >> >> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:22 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Bridget Loftus - Thomas >> >> Hannigan m. abt. 1889 >> >> >> >> >> >> > --- Ejljbl@aol.com wrote: >> >> > "He went back to Ireland and was probably >> living >> >> > close to Her in order to meet & Marry Her". >> >> > >> >> > Probably? Not at all probably!! You need to >> keep >> >> your >> >> > assumptions in check Ed because you can get >> lost >> >> with >> >> > those ideas. He was in the US already, there's >> a >> >> > question about whether Bridget emigrated to the >> US >> >> as >> >> > a child or as an adult (big difference >> there)and >> >> > conflicting obituaries for each of them! More >> >> research >> >> > is needed in their US records. Looking for the >> >> > marriage record there?? And for Bridget there >> in >> >> the >> >> > US census? >> >> > >> >> > It's also questionable whether his US census >> >> records >> >> > show his income, employment and monetary status >> >> there >> >> > was sufficient enough for him to have afforded >> to >> >> come >> >> > bsck to Ireland at all (and afford the return >> >> journey >> >> > for two of them) and left his job there to do >> it?. >> >> > >> >> > There are no Loftus families in Kilmaine in >> County >> >> > Mayo in the 1901 Census and just one person >> there >> >> with >> >> > the surname Loftus who's the parish priest, >> born >> >> in >> >> > Roscommon! >> >> > >> >> > And there are three Kilmaines in Ireland where >> >> Thomas >> >> > could have been born, not just one in County >> Mayo. >> >> > >> >> > You've gotten way ahead of yourself Ed! >> >> > >> >> > Oceanstrands >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > ------------------------------- >> >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email >> >> to >> >> > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> >> 'unsubscribe' without the >> >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the >> message >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an >> email >> >> to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject >> and >> >> the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to >> > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email >> to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word >> 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and >> the body of the message >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Máiread ! Just to confirm that I did receive your long (and very interesting, but sad !) post ! You said that you sent it "yesterday" - it arrived in my 'Inbox' at 00.33 British Summer Time today - but of course that may be due to differences between British and U.S. time. It was very frightening to read (even though I have read several books on the subject, including Cecil Woodham-Smith's "The Great Hunger") - and also makes me think that my Roscommon grandmother's ancestors and my wife's Galway and Mayo ancestors must have been both very tough and very lucky to survive ! Thanks and Best Wishes ! Roger. ---------------------- On 10 Jun 2008, at 12:59, conaught2 wrote: > > Please excuse this post, I want to see if it appears in my inbox. > Yesterday I > wrote a long post about the above topic and it did not appear in my > inbox > and wonder if anyone received it on the list. > > Go raibh maith agat, > Margaret (Máiread) >

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: waseely2007 Surnames: Higgins, O'Malley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/1732.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My name is Bill, husband of Annie M. Higgins, b. 1942 in Dublin where her dad was stationed during WWII. Her father was John Higgins b. 1904 down by the Post Office 8 mi South of Westport on Route 59. Tied to the O'Malley Clan dating back in time. Bill Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I contacted him. His reply is The detail maps of the Clew Bay area are from the Ordnance Survey. It says that the base maps are from 1975 and were updated in 1999. This surprised me, because at least from the 1960s, the family use Belclare as the townland name. Remember stopping at the post office for some reason years ago and got into a discussion re: old townland names and the new ones. I know the names show up on the various sites which is good for people researching. The names if they got them for townland, were from their ancestors who emigrated in the 19th and early 20th century. Yes, I would assume so. Didn't check it out because I'm on Ancestry.com so use that link. 1900 Federal Census was the first one for this area which actually put street names on the side of each sheet. Earlier census did not which makes some research difficult unless you know the wards. Which also changed over the years. Street names also changed in 1906 which even further complicates research. I'm not at home, so do not have those websites but if someone would like them for the Wards of Cuyahoga County, The street name changes, etc. I can put them online tomorrow morning. Baby sitting and decided to check my mail. Oceanstrands <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> wrote: Belclare and Streamstown townlands were there in 1851 and are included in the Ireland Townland Database http://www.seanruad.com They're also included in the 1901 census because people are listed in both townlands in the census records. There are still postal addys that include both townlands. So the date his maps are from make a difference as well as his source, where he got them. Map details depended on when the maps were done, the early Ordnance Survey maps from the early 1800s weren't complete or accurate. He's also got a link to the 1900 census maps that doesn't open. Are those supposed to be Cleveland census maps for 1900? There wasn't an Irish census in 1900. --- Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: > He doesn't say but I assume that before the time > when my family's townland Streamstown was still > known as by that name. Now the family considers it > Belclare. Belclare on this map Section 31 is the > next townland over on the ocean. You know, I never > asked when the change came about. It does list old > townlands down the road now R 335 i.e. Knockfin and > Clerhaun. This is where my ROONEY ancestors lived. > I will send an "E" mail to the Cleveland Irish list > and ask. > > > Oceanstrands wrote: > What are the dates for his survey maps? > > --- Mary Ellen Chambers > wrote: > > > There is a wonderful site done basically for > > Cleveland Irish but it contains a great deal of > data > > for Mayo and has survey maps which you can zoom in > > and study. > > > > http://www.bernieworld.net > > > > He also states that he will soon have CDs > > available re: Mayo > > > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: marie_edwards3 Surnames: ANSBRO Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/2156.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: looking for any info on Patrick Ansbro born 07/08/1889 Knock Ireland. All I no is that he went to New York married and had 3 sons and 1 daughter Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Belclare and Streamstown townlands were there in 1851 and are included in the Ireland Townland Database http://www.seanruad.com They're also included in the 1901 census because people are listed in both townlands in the census records. There are still postal addys that include both townlands. So the date his maps are from make a difference as well as his source, where he got them. Map details depended on when the maps were done, the early Ordnance Survey maps from the early 1800s weren't complete or accurate. He's also got a link to the 1900 census maps that doesn't open. Are those supposed to be Cleveland census maps for 1900? There wasn't an Irish census in 1900. --- Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > He doesn't say but I assume that before the time > when my family's townland Streamstown was still > known as by that name. Now the family considers it > Belclare. Belclare on this map Section 31 is the > next townland over on the ocean. You know, I never > asked when the change came about. It does list old > townlands down the road now R 335 i.e. Knockfin and > Clerhaun. This is where my ROONEY ancestors lived. > I will send an "E" mail to the Cleveland Irish list > and ask. > > > Oceanstrands <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> wrote: > What are the dates for his survey maps? > > --- Mary Ellen Chambers > wrote: > > > There is a wonderful site done basically for > > Cleveland Irish but it contains a great deal of > data > > for Mayo and has survey maps which you can zoom in > > and study. > > > > http://www.bernieworld.net > > > > He also states that he will soon have CDs > > available re: Mayo > > > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

For what it's worth; My understanding from a woman from Derry Park Mayo, is that Loftus is a name common to [I'm never going to get this spelling anywhere correct...sorry] Shaunaferaghaun. A loftus married a Joyce and came to Portland, Maine to be near relatives. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oceanstrands" <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> To: <irl-mayo@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:22 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Bridget Loftus - Thomas Hannigan m. abt. 1889 > --- Ejljbl@aol.com wrote: > "He went back to Ireland and was probably living > close to Her in order to meet & Marry Her". > > Probably? Not at all probably!! You need to keep your > assumptions in check Ed because you can get lost with > those ideas. He was in the US already, there's a > question about whether Bridget emigrated to the US as > a child or as an adult (big difference there)and > conflicting obituaries for each of them! More research > is needed in their US records. Looking for the > marriage record there?? And for Bridget there in the > US census? > > It's also questionable whether his US census records > show his income, employment and monetary status there > was sufficient enough for him to have afforded to come > bsck to Ireland at all (and afford the return journey > for two of them) and left his job there to do it?. > > There are no Loftus families in Kilmaine in County > Mayo in the 1901 Census and just one person there with > the surname Loftus who's the parish priest, born in > Roscommon! > > And there are three Kilmaines in Ireland where Thomas > could have been born, not just one in County Mayo. > > You've gotten way ahead of yourself Ed! > > Oceanstrands > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

He doesn't say but I assume that before the time when my family's townland Streamstown was still known as by that name. Now the family considers it Belclare. Belclare on this map Section 31 is the next townland over on the ocean. You know, I never asked when the change came about. It does list old townlands down the road now R 335 i.e. Knockfin and Clerhaun. This is where my ROONEY ancestors lived. I will send an "E" mail to the Cleveland Irish list and ask. Oceanstrands <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> wrote: What are the dates for his survey maps? --- Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: > There is a wonderful site done basically for > Cleveland Irish but it contains a great deal of data > for Mayo and has survey maps which you can zoom in > and study. > > http://www.bernieworld.net > > He also states that he will soon have CDs > available re: Mayo > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ballynan Surnames: Ansbro Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/2156.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: There's a Margaret F Ansbro, b May 1935, in the telephone book in Breezy Point, Queens, NY. There was a Patrick Ansbro who is listed in SSDI, born Oct 20 1899 died Brooklyn (zipcode 11220) in August 1977. There was a Patrick Ansbro (traveling with a Martin Ansbro) who arrived in NY in 1927. They were from Knockmore, Manulla Mayo. Patrick was 28 born@ 1899. Their father was Thomas Ansbro in Knockmore. They were going to their brother-in-law, Mr Mccarten, at 115-53-201st St NY 3 yrs later in the 1930 census, there were 2 Patrick Ansbro(s) in NY of about the right age: Patrick Ansbro age 29, single, an employee/attendant at the Brooklyn State Hospital at 681 Clarkson. However this states he emigrated in 1924. Patrick Ansbor, age 28, single, a chauffeur for a private family. He was living in the Oyster Bay section of Nassau Co NY, in the village of Old Brookside. But this one also has emig date of 1923 There was a Patrick Joseph Ansbro who applied for citizenship in March 1956, birth date Feb 8 1901, who resided at Manhattan State Hosp in Wards Island NY. This Patrick Joseph Ansbro died 17 Dec 1962 and is buried at Long Island National Cemetery in Farmingdale NY. He had served in the Army in WWII. (Section 2m Site 3247) Also in 1930, there was a Martin J Ansbro, age 26 born Ireland (about the right age for the Martin that traveled with brother Patrick from Knockmore) He was working at Kings Park State Hosp in Kings Park, Smithtown NY (Suffolk) co. This Martin may be the Martin Joseph Ansbro, born @ 1905, who applied for citizenship in 1929, while an employee of Manhattan St Hosp, Wards Island NY. He was not married at that time. He may be the Martin J Ansbro who was born 20 Apr 1905 and died 9 Jul 1964 and is also buried at Long Island National Cemetery Farmingdale Section 2p Site 1971. His wife Catherine (b 2 Dec 1906) who died 27 Mar 1989 is buried with him. But there was a Martin Ansbro from Hollymount, Claremorris Mayo that arrived at age 19 in 1923. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

What are the dates for his survey maps? --- Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > There is a wonderful site done basically for > Cleveland Irish but it contains a great deal of data > for Mayo and has survey maps which you can zoom in > and study. > > http://www.bernieworld.net > > He also states that he will soon have CDs > available re: Mayo > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >