An Gorta Mora from 1845-1852 is of course the most devastating famine Ireland experienced, although the 1739-41 famine was also quite significant . The information in my post referred to information I have learned over the years as well as information from Liam Swords excellent book as well as other Irish historians. I mentioned Gavin's article as a link because it mentioned the 1879 potato failure or famine, whichever terminology is preferred. He does list sources. I was addressing the question about if there were other famines (potato failures/blights) besides An Gorta Mor. The Gavin article would certainly not compare to your expertise on the subject which is presented in your thesis.I was not using Gavin as an authority, only as a source referring to the 1879 potato failure/famine. No part of Irish history can be "capsulated in an online link", as you accurately stated. The Irish suffered greatly during the potato failure/famine of 1879-1880 as you must have mentioned in your thesis. The U.S. sent shipments of food and supplies and money to aid the Irish during this time. All the major newspapers in the U.S. covered the potato failure/famine of 1879-1880, as well as news media in other parts of the word. Ireland continued to lose many to immigration during this period. Coupled with the food shortage and harsh conditions of the country, Michael Davitt started his National Land League in 1879 to put an end to the inequaties of land ownership and the injustice to the Irish tenant. As a result of An Gorta Mor and the follow up crop failure years, Ireland continued to lose her young to immigration. My grandparents were part of this mass exodus. Grandfather Michael Smith from County Mayo; Grandmother Catherine Doherty Smith from Ballyhillion, Malin Head, County Donegal in 1889; Grandfather Michael Dowdall from Ballygruby, Moneymore, County Derry in 1906 and Grandmother Katherine Flanagan Dowdall from County Down in 1907. By the 1940s the immigration trend shifted from America to England. It has been wonderful to see as a result of the Celtic Tiger the Irish returning home and no longer need to immigrate to find employment. In Brackloon, Swinford where my paternal Grandfather was born in 1858 (immigrated in 1890 at the age of 32 with his two younger brothers) more and more people are returning and building homes. Townlands in the area which had lost a large part of their population are now being repopulated. Due to the world ecomonic situation and the European Union much has changed in Ireland during the last few years.. it is far different than the Ireland I first saw in 1972. Your thesis would be a wealth of information for the readers on the list. Is there a website where your thesis can be viewed? Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oceanstrands" <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> To: <irl-mayo@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 5:28 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Assisted 19th Century Emigration, Mayo specific,information Research by Irish researchers contradicts what Gavin says. Gavin is US based so I don't know what original sources he's used here in Ireland for his research or what original, primary source records he's had access to. While there were crop failures at various times in the nineteenth century in Ireland, they aren't considered by most respected Irish historians as "Famines" because they weren't widespread like the Famine (1845-50) was. There are literally thousands of books published by Irish historians on all facets of emigration (assisted and othewise), evictions, crop failures, the land league, etc. I did my Masters Thesis on those topics and had over ten pages of bibliography. It's not something that can be capsulated in an online link. Oceanstrands

You misunderstood me. We have a large collection of books on Irish history, literature, etc. In general, majority is not Mayo specific. When I speak of ordering books from the local county library, it is in reference to a loan situation. If the book is available within the county system and a few others, I will be able to get it. I was discussing local Irish emigration history over the weekend with a person who is working on a PHD re: Irish immigration. When Government and other groups assisting emigrants were mentioned, I was interested because it was about Mayo. I had picked up along the way information re: assistance in Clare, Sligo and a few others but not Mayo. Since this is a question which comes up time to time with Irish Americans living in this area, I am curious. We question how they were able to pay their passage and many arriving penniless how through hard work, they were able to achieve and give to their children what they did. Assisted emigration was never really mentioned and maybe not many Irish Americans realized it existed. I know I didn't. Just thought it was a rare happening. As an undergrade. I was a history major but didn't take it into an advance degree. Back in the day, it was often referred to as a BA in Political Science. Oceanstrands <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> wrote: Thought you said in our discussion about the Famine, and the fact there was only one Famine, that you had alot of Mayo-specific and Irish history books in your collection and would look at those for information about the Mayo crop failure of 1879. Your county library has to have interlibrary loan??? Libraries have interlibrary loan because each library really can't have all books on all topics but they can borrow them from other libraries. Are you writing a dissertation or historical paper for an organisation about the topic of assisted emigration? --- Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: > The books we have, have very little Mayo specific, > assisted emigration data. That was why I thought I > would GOOGLE and come up with online data. I did, > but again, not Mayo specific. Good idea re: > Westport Heritage at the Quay. Will "E" mail Aidan > to see if he can suggest some avenues/books to > pursue on this side of the ocean. I have a list of > books I got off GOOGLE which I'll submit to our > county library to see if they might have them. > The issue is that this type of reference book is > just not the type they usually have a great call > for, so don't really purchase them for reference. > Your suggestion about Westport Heritage is good. > Thanks > > Mary Ellen > > Oceanstrands wrote: > Hi Mary Ellen, > > 1)Have you looked in the Mayo history books and > periodicals you mentioned you have in your personal > collection? > > 2)Since you're a member of the Westport Historical > Society and know staff there, have you asked them? > > 3) Have you looked in your local public library in > the > US for information about it? > > Oceanstrands > > --- Mary Ellen Chambers > wrote: > > > I have GOOGLED and found information re: > Government > > and private organization who assisted Irish > > emigration to Canada, Australia, USA and other > parts > > of the world in the 19th and 20th century. > > > > However, I can find no Mayo specific data which I > > understand happened. Would anyone on the list have > > any thoughts re: this. Direct me to where it might > > be available. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Before I forget again, thanks to all for enlightening me about the difference between the Discovery maps and Ordnance Survey maps! Joe -- Joseph W. Mann Jr. joe@mannfamily.cc The Origins Genealogy Project at www.mannfamily.cc/public/index.html Member, The Hudson County Genealogical Society at www.HudsonCountyNJGenealogy.org

Research by Irish researchers contradicts what Gavin says. Gavin is US based so I don't know what original sources he's used here in Ireland for his research or what original, primary source records he's had access to. While there were crop failures at various times in the nineteenth century in Ireland, they aren't considered by most respected Irish historians as "Famines" because they weren't widespread like the Famine (1845-50) was. There are literally thousands of books published by Irish historians on all facets of emigration (assisted and othewise), evictions, crop failures, the land league, etc. I did my Masters Thesis on those topics and had over ten pages of bibliography. It's not something that can be capsulated in an online link. Oceanstrands --- conaught2 <conaught2@charter.net> wrote: > Ireland had many famines and potato blights. > > There was a crop failure in the late 1720s > > 1739-1741 - This was called Bliadhain an air (the > year of the slaughter), > one fourth of Ireland's population died our of a > population of 2,400,000 > > There were famines in 1800-01, 1816-1819, 1821- > 1822, 1830-31. > > There was a potato failure in 1879 and another > famine. > > To address the land issue and evictions Michael > Davitt started the Land > League which Charles Stewart Parnell was the first > president. There were > also a lot of evictions during this time period. > County Mayo and Sligo were > the hardest hit. There is a good article which > explains about the lead up > to the 1879 famine as well as the evictions. > > http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/famine/after.htm > article by Philip Gavin > > Liam Swords wrote an excellent book - The Famine in > North Connacht > 1845-1849. There is an excellent series of four > books about the History of > County Mayo. The information is taken J.F. Quinn's > articles which appeared > in the Western People. I purchased a book about the > Famine in the Swinford > area. > > Beannachtai, > Margaret (Máiread) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Ireland had many famines and potato blights. There was a crop failure in the late 1720s 1739-1741 - This was called Bliadhain an air (the year of the slaughter), one fourth of Ireland's population died our of a population of 2,400,000 There were famines in 1800-01, 1816-1819, 1821- 1822, 1830-31. There was a potato failure in 1879 and another famine. To address the land issue and evictions Michael Davitt started the Land League which Charles Stewart Parnell was the first president. There were also a lot of evictions during this time period. County Mayo and Sligo were the hardest hit. There is a good article which explains about the lead up to the 1879 famine as well as the evictions. http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/famine/after.htm article by Philip Gavin Liam Swords wrote an excellent book - The Famine in North Connacht 1845-1849. There is an excellent series of four books about the History of County Mayo. The information is taken J.F. Quinn's articles which appeared in the Western People. I purchased a book about the Famine in the Swinford area. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread)

In a message dated 12/06/2008 17:33:48 GMT Daylight Time, maryln61@sbcglobal.net writes: assisted Irish emigration to Canada, Australia, USA and other parts of the world in the 19th and 20th century. However, I can find no Mayo specific data which I understand happened. Would anyone on the list have any thoughts re: this. Direct me to where it might be available. Mr Tuke's assisted immigration fund, started 1882, sent people from Belmullet, Swineford and Newport Unions to America and Canada. Available from Eneclann in CD format. Cathy

Thought you said in our discussion about the Famine, and the fact there was only one Famine, that you had alot of Mayo-specific and Irish history books in your collection and would look at those for information about the Mayo crop failure of 1879. Your county library has to have interlibrary loan??? Libraries have interlibrary loan because each library really can't have all books on all topics but they can borrow them from other libraries. Are you writing a dissertation or historical paper for an organisation about the topic of assisted emigration? --- Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > The books we have, have very little Mayo specific, > assisted emigration data. That was why I thought I > would GOOGLE and come up with online data. I did, > but again, not Mayo specific. Good idea re: > Westport Heritage at the Quay. Will "E" mail Aidan > to see if he can suggest some avenues/books to > pursue on this side of the ocean. I have a list of > books I got off GOOGLE which I'll submit to our > county library to see if they might have them. > The issue is that this type of reference book is > just not the type they usually have a great call > for, so don't really purchase them for reference. > Your suggestion about Westport Heritage is good. > Thanks > > Mary Ellen > > Oceanstrands <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> wrote: > Hi Mary Ellen, > > 1)Have you looked in the Mayo history books and > periodicals you mentioned you have in your personal > collection? > > 2)Since you're a member of the Westport Historical > Society and know staff there, have you asked them? > > 3) Have you looked in your local public library in > the > US for information about it? > > Oceanstrands > > --- Mary Ellen Chambers > wrote: > > > I have GOOGLED and found information re: > Government > > and private organization who assisted Irish > > emigration to Canada, Australia, USA and other > parts > > of the world in the 19th and 20th century. > > > > However, I can find no Mayo specific data which I > > understand happened. Would anyone on the list have > > any thoughts re: this. Direct me to where it might > > be available. > > > > Thanks in advance. > > > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject > and > > the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

The books we have, have very little Mayo specific, assisted emigration data. That was why I thought I would GOOGLE and come up with online data. I did, but again, not Mayo specific. Good idea re: Westport Heritage at the Quay. Will "E" mail Aidan to see if he can suggest some avenues/books to pursue on this side of the ocean. I have a list of books I got off GOOGLE which I'll submit to our county library to see if they might have them. The issue is that this type of reference book is just not the type they usually have a great call for, so don't really purchase them for reference. Your suggestion about Westport Heritage is good. Thanks Mary Ellen Oceanstrands <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Mary Ellen, 1)Have you looked in the Mayo history books and periodicals you mentioned you have in your personal collection? 2)Since you're a member of the Westport Historical Society and know staff there, have you asked them? 3) Have you looked in your local public library in the US for information about it? Oceanstrands --- Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: > I have GOOGLED and found information re: Government > and private organization who assisted Irish > emigration to Canada, Australia, USA and other parts > of the world in the 19th and 20th century. > > However, I can find no Mayo specific data which I > understand happened. Would anyone on the list have > any thoughts re: this. Direct me to where it might > be available. > > Thanks in advance. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thanks Cathy. Will check this out. Mary Ellen CathOneill@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 12/06/2008 17:33:48 GMT Daylight Time, maryln61@sbcglobal.net writes: assisted Irish emigration to Canada, Australia, USA and other parts of the world in the 19th and 20th century. However, I can find no Mayo specific data which I understand happened. Would anyone on the list have any thoughts re: this. Direct me to where it might be available. Mr Tuke's assisted immigration fund, started 1882, sent people from Belmullet, Swineford and Newport Unions to America and Canada. Available from Eneclann in CD format. Cathy ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Mary Ellen, 1)Have you looked in the Mayo history books and periodicals you mentioned you have in your personal collection? 2)Since you're a member of the Westport Historical Society and know staff there, have you asked them? 3) Have you looked in your local public library in the US for information about it? Oceanstrands --- Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > I have GOOGLED and found information re: Government > and private organization who assisted Irish > emigration to Canada, Australia, USA and other parts > of the world in the 19th and 20th century. > > However, I can find no Mayo specific data which I > understand happened. Would anyone on the list have > any thoughts re: this. Direct me to where it might > be available. > > Thanks in advance. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

I have GOOGLED and found information re: Government and private organization who assisted Irish emigration to Canada, Australia, USA and other parts of the world in the 19th and 20th century. However, I can find no Mayo specific data which I understand happened. Would anyone on the list have any thoughts re: this. Direct me to where it might be available. Thanks in advance. Mary Ellen Chambers

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Joe, == Is that the same or different from the Discovery maps mentioned in this recent thread? == There are some major differences between the six-inch maps and the Discovery maps. For one, the scale is very different. The six-inch maps are, as implied in the name, drawn at a scale of six inches to the mile. This allows for much more detailed information, such as trees located close to buildings - which are, in turn, shown in more dimensional detail than on the Discovery maps. These maps also show individual fields, although they are not identified by name/number as they are, I understand, on the Griffith's Valuation maps. And the six-inch map shows the individual buildings as of the date of the maps, which can convey an idea of the disastrous change in population since 1838. I recall having driven along a small, barren road up near Lough Carra, and later seeing it on the 1838 map with about 20 houses on the road. But I think the most useful feature of the six-inch maps is the inclusion of actual townland boundaries. The Discovery maps do not show individual townland borders and, in a few cases, show only the apparent presence of a single-named townland when , in reality, there are two or three separate townlands present - separately identified by modifying names such as Beg, More, Upper, Middle, Lower, North, South, etc. The lack of townland borders and of some townland names is partially to avoid too much clutter. And there would be the difficulty of differentiating, say, a small stream from a townland boundary - when the stream coincides with that boundary as it does in many, many cases. The scale of the Discovery maps is about an inch and a quarter per mile. But the Disc. maps do show current roads and even "tracks", and individual buildings and driveways in non-built-up areas. And the Discovery maps are fully topographical, and show contours, etc. (I can't recall if the Mayo six-inch maps have this feature - I think some counties have used a mix of the first two series of six-inch maps, and these may have contour features or not....Dunno). But the Discovery maps are the ultimate "roadmaps" and, although I often do general planning for my Irish trips using the small scale Holiday maps (4 miles to the inch....not 4 inches to the mile [gr]), I take only the necessary Discovery maps with me to Ireland for my actual driving. Nine Discovery maps will cover nearly all of Co. Mayo (and a 10th one if you don't want to forget those people at the southern end of Shrule civil parish). If you wanted to see all of Mayo on the six-inch maps, you'd need 123 of them - and they are each also about 10 percent larger in size on the paper. And the cost of all of the Discovery maps for Mayo would be roughly 100 U.S. dollars......whereas just one of the 123 six-inch maps, on paper, from the Ordnance Survey in Phoenix Park, Dublin - would have cost about 70 dollars (the last time I checked, but now probably closer to 100. Ridiculous.) I guess that's enough rambling. There are many other differences, I'm sure. But the two map types actually serve different purposes - one for the history, and the other for just plain "getting around". Pete - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

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Dear Mary Ellen, Roger and Oceanstrands, When I wrote the post I didn't look at my notes for the name of the the Famine Walk which takes place each year. As you an Oceanstrands mentioned it was the DOOLOUGH Famine Walk where Mahatma Gandhi's grandson Arun Gandhi and his wife Sunanda Gandhi marched in memory of those poor souls who were forced to walk many miles in harsh weather during the night to only be turned away the next morning. I am very fortunate because after corresponding with Mr. Gandhi, the organization which sponsors the Famine Walk each year sent me a program for the year Mr. Gandhi participated. There are many excellent books about An Gorta Mor (Great Hunger). My Mother read me Cecil Woodham-Smith's book when I was in grammar school. While the book has always been considered the definitive work on An Gorta Mor, "This Great Calamity" by Christine Kinealy is also excellent and has some eye opeing information. Aid to the Irish came from all over the world as stated in Christine Kinealy's book: "The first contribution received is thought to have come from Calcutta in 1846 and amounted to 14,000 pounds. In July 1847, Calcutta sent fruther 2,500 pounds for Irish relief via the Society of Friends. A sum of 3,000 pounds was also sent from Bombay. Subscribers for the distressed IRish were also raised in Florence, Itlay, where an Irish Relief Fund was established and a society ball was held for this purpose. The Society of St. Vincent de Paul om France sent 110,000 francs, and the negroes of Antigua...from their own scanty resources raised 144 pounds. The House of Assembly in Jamaica voted 2,000 pounds towards the mitigation of Irish distress in remembrance of the fact that, 65 years earlier, Ireland had sent 2,000 pounds to Barbados when that island had been destroyed by hurricanes. A Famine Relief Committe was established in Hobart in Van Diemen's Land which throughout 1847 sent both regular cash donations and also wheat for the relief of Irish distress. Their final donation was sent in November 1847. In 1847 when most of the charitable donations had ceased, an unusual one was sent by a tribe of Red Indians from Oklahoma in America. The Choctaw Tribe, which had been forced from their own lands in 1831, had heard of the suffering of the population in the DOOLOUGH district in the Westport Union. They sent a donation of $170.00 for distribution among the local population". The U.S. sent the largest amount of money, over a million dollars and also sent food. It was remarkable to see those who least could afford to send help, did so from Antigua and the Choctaw Nation. Amdist the tragedy of the coffin ships, the starvation, disease and evictions it is overwhelming to see the goodness of heart of so many. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread)

Hi Joe, The 1838 Ordnance Survey maps on the County Mayo library website are from 1838 when the British Government first attempted Ireland-wide mapping. They did it because they wanted to implement land valuations for taxation purposes and they used the resulting maps for the Poor Law taxes when they passed the Poor Laws in 1838. Since they did the mapping for taxation purposes in 1838 and the country had never been mapped before, needless to say they didn't get alot of cooperation locally to help them develop the maps. Those maps, therefore, are very primitive and not complete. The Discovery maps referenced are numbered maps that cover the entire county of Mayo (they're done for all counties in Ireland) and the latest versions are from ca 1999. There are 9 or 10 Discovery maps that are like puzzle pieces and when put together cover all of County Mayo. See: http://www.osi.ie/mapping/maps/discovery.asp The maps on the bernieworld.net website are only for the Westport area in western Mayo but Bernie has used the Ireland Ordnance Survey Discovery maps (#30 and 31 according to Pete Schermerhorn) which he's posted online. Compared to the 1838 maps, the Discovery maps are much better and of course more detailed. Oceanstrands --- Joseph Mann <joe@mannfamily.cc> wrote: > Apologies if I'm restating common knowledge, but did > everyone know that the > 1838 Ordnance Survey Map of Mayo (1. Edition, > Six-Inch) is available for > viewing online at the Mayo County Library web site? > > http://www.mayolibrary.ie/maps/data/MapsData/index.htm > > Is that the same or different from the Discovery > maps mentioned in this > recent thread? > > Joe > > -- > Joseph W. Mann Jr. > joe@mannfamily.cc

Yes, I gave you the reference because you thought Streamstown townland was renamed Belclare. The reference shows Streamstown townland wasn't renamed Belclare -- they're two different townlands. Streamstown townland is still the same for at least 150 years. If your relatives are Martin and Tom, their houses are in Streamstown townland, not Belclare townland according to Government records. Tom also got a zoning change in 2005 for his land which is listed as being in Streamstown townland. Oceanstrands --- Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > Thanks so much for the site references. The 2nd > one, I think, relates to the widing of the road by > my family's homeplace. That would be R 335 from the > fork, back toward Westport. The townlands, of > Streamstown, Knockfin, Clerhaun,may been part of the > task. There is now a 4 - 5 ft wall along the road > sides and even higher in front of the two of my > families houses and the ones across the road. > > > Oceanstrands <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> wrote: > Streamstown Townland and Belclare Townland are > still > there, Streamstown's name wasn't changed. Property > is > being sold in Streamstown. > > Prospectors licences were given to companies > including > the townlands of Streamstown and Belclare in 1988 > and > those are included in the Dáil Éireann debates in > the > following, scroll down the page about halfway, > listed > under the map coordinates O.S. 1” 74, 84; 6” Mayo > 87-8, 97 > http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0379/D.0379.198804200032.html > > There was road widening/bend correction in > Streamstown > in 1999: > http://www.excavations.ie/Pages/Details.php?Year=&County=Mayo&id=670 > > Oceanstrands > > > --- Mary Ellen Chambers > wrote: > > > I contacted him. His reply is The detail maps of > > the Clew Bay area are from the Ordnance Survey. It > > says that the base maps are from 1975 and were > > updated in 1999. > > > > This surprised me, because at least from the > > 1960s, the family use Belclare as the townland > name. > > Remember stopping at the post office for some > > reason years ago and got into a discussion re: old > > townland names and the new ones. I know the names > > show up on the various sites which is good for > > people researching. The names if they got them for > > townland, were from their ancestors who emigrated > in > > the 19th and early 20th century. > > > > Yes, I would assume so. Didn't check it out > > because I'm on Ancestry.com so use that link. > > 1900 Federal Census was the first one for this > > area which actually put street names on the side > of > > each sheet. Earlier census did not which makes > some > > research difficult unless you know the wards. > Which > > also changed over the years. Street names also > > changed in 1906 which even further complicates > > research. > > > > I'm not at home, so do not have those websites but > > if someone would like them for the Wards of > Cuyahoga > > County, The street name changes, etc. I can put > > them online tomorrow morning. Baby sitting and > > decided to check my mail. > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email > to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message >

Thanks so much for the site references. The 2nd one, I think, relates to the widing of the road by my family's homeplace. That would be R 335 from the fork, back toward Westport. The townlands, of Streamstown, Knockfin, Clerhaun,may been part of the task. There is now a 4 - 5 ft wall along the road sides and even higher in front of the two of my families houses and the ones across the road. Oceanstrands <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> wrote: Streamstown Townland and Belclare Townland are still there, Streamstown's name wasn't changed. Property is being sold in Streamstown. Prospectors licences were given to companies including the townlands of Streamstown and Belclare in 1988 and those are included in the Dáil Éireann debates in the following, scroll down the page about halfway, listed under the map coordinates O.S. 1” 74, 84; 6” Mayo 87-8, 97 http://historical-debates.oireachtas.ie/D/0379/D.0379.198804200032.html There was road widening/bend correction in Streamstown in 1999: http://www.excavations.ie/Pages/Details.php?Year=&County=Mayo&id=670 Oceanstrands --- Mary Ellen Chambers wrote: > I contacted him. His reply is The detail maps of > the Clew Bay area are from the Ordnance Survey. It > says that the base maps are from 1975 and were > updated in 1999. > > This surprised me, because at least from the > 1960s, the family use Belclare as the townland name. > Remember stopping at the post office for some > reason years ago and got into a discussion re: old > townland names and the new ones. I know the names > show up on the various sites which is good for > people researching. The names if they got them for > townland, were from their ancestors who emigrated in > the 19th and early 20th century. > > Yes, I would assume so. Didn't check it out > because I'm on Ancestry.com so use that link. > 1900 Federal Census was the first one for this > area which actually put street names on the side of > each sheet. Earlier census did not which makes some > research difficult unless you know the wards. Which > also changed over the years. Street names also > changed in 1906 which even further complicates > research. > > I'm not at home, so do not have those websites but > if someone would like them for the Wards of Cuyahoga > County, The street name changes, etc. I can put > them online tomorrow morning. Baby sitting and > decided to check my mail. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Joe~ Different in the sense that these are versions updated in 1999. I had the same question to the website. The base maps were from 1975 and updated in 1999. Joseph Mann <joe@mannfamily.cc> wrote: Apologies if I'm restating common knowledge, but did everyone know that the 1838 Ordnance Survey Map of Mayo (1. Edition, Six-Inch) is available for viewing online at the Mayo County Library web site? http://www.mayolibrary.ie/maps/data/MapsData/index.htm Is that the same or different from the Discovery maps mentioned in this recent thread? Joe -- Joseph W. Mann Jr. joe@mannfamily.cc The Origins Genealogy Project at www.mannfamily.cc/public/index.html Member, The Hudson County Genealogical Society at www.HudsonCountyNJGenealogy.org ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message