Hello Bill, There are 378 Duffy Families, not just people, in the 1901 online County Mayo census records. Additionally there are 89 Duffy entries of those living with families whose surname was not Duffy in the same census records. There are 201 Higgins families listed in the 1901 online County Mayo census records. There are also 57 more Higgins entries in the same census for people living with families who were not the Higgins surname. Oceanstrands --- On Sat, 7/5/08, waseely@aol.com <waseely@aol.com> wrote: > From: waseely@aol.com <waseely@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] New Subscriber Looking For Duffy > To: oceanstrands@yahoo.com, irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, July 5, 2008, 12:18 AM > Milli & Oceanstrands, > > > > My wife is a Higgins from CO Mayo and has distant relations > by the name of Duffy, one who was a Police Chief in NJ and > sponsored her parents from Co Mayo >Dublin> > Coventry>NJ USA.  Her dad was born in 1904 just 8 miles > outside of Westport, Ireland.  No knowledge of the early > 1800s Duffy's, however has knowledge of the Duffy > family who sponsored and welcomed them to the USA. > > > > > Bill > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Oceanstrands <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Sent: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 6:46 am > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] New Subscriber Looking For Duffy > > > > > > > > > Milli, > > There are no records in Ireland about who emigrated, where > they went, or what > happened to them after they left. Whatever ships passenger > records survive were > handed in at the ports of arrival wherever they sailed to. > > US census records should include when Bridget and Catherine > arrived in the US. > What is Bridget's date of birth? Maiden name? Parents > Names? > > What is your record source for information that Owen Duffy > died in Ireland in > 1839? Catherine was born in 1839, Catherine and Bridget > you assume emigrated in > 1849-50 which you say is shortly after Owen died in > Ireland. What is your > confirmation records source that Owen died the year > Catherine was born but the > Bridget and Catherine waited 10 years before emigration? > > Where in Ireland did Owen die? There are 32 counties with > 64,000 towns and > townlands. Civil registration of deaths didn't start in > Ireland until 1864 so > there will be no civil registration record of his death. No > census records > survive before 1901. Many church parish records don't > even include death > records. The majority of cemeteries in Ireland have no > records for the > nineteenth century. Many people died even without > tombstones. > > Citing your source for that information would be very > helpful as regards the > records source where that information may have been > obtained. > > Bridget was buried from a parish in Maryland which had > other Duffys whom you > assume were related to Bridget and Catherine. You don't > have Bridget's surname. > She was a Duffy only by marriage. What civil and church > records have you > searched in the US for not only Bridget and Catherine but > the other Duffys to > confirm there was any family connection whatsoever other > than a surname which > Bridget married into? > > Was Thomas Duffy and Anna Sheeler married in the US or > Ireland? Was Anna > Sheeler even born in Ireland? When was Thomas Duffy born > in Mayo? Where in > Mayo? parents names? When did he emigrate to the US? Did > you look for his US > Naturalization records, other records to find out where in > Mayo he was born? > > You've searched the incomplete Griffiths Valuation > indexes online and found a > Thomas Duffy and Owen Duffy listed there together. Owen was > long dead when > Griffiths Valuation was done in County Mayo in 1856-7 and > Bridget and Catherine > already emigrated. You have no idea what Owen Duffy's > parents names were. You > don't even have a birth date for him. > > Did you search the detailed Griffiths Valuation property > records in County Mayo > for a Thomas Duffy in Burrishole Civil Parish 1856-7 to see > what the property > detail was for that property? Why do you think he owned a > house? That Thomas > Duffy actually leased property from Sir Richard > O'Donnell along with 11 other > tenants in 1856-7. > > Griffiths Valuation lists parishes which are the civil > parishes, not the Roman > Catholic parishes. The civil parishes were generally the > Church of Ireland > (Anglican) parishes since the British Government > established that administrative > division to conform to the Church of Ireland parishes. The > Church of Ireland > was the official church in Ireland at that time. > > You need to do more research in the civil and church > records for Catherine and > Bridget in the US to attempt to find out where each was > born in Ireland. What > was Bridget's maiden name? Date of birth? Parents > names? Did Bridget remarry > in the US? Did she have more children? Did she become a > US citizen? > > Have you gotten Catherine's church marriage record to > see if it included her > birth location in Ireland or other attestation of her > baptism from the church in > Ireland where she was baptised? What about her > children's civil and church > records there, do their baptismal records there include > where their mother was > born in Ireland? What about their church marriage records? > Obituaries? > Catherine's tombstone, will, obituary, cemetery record? > Same for Bridget? > > You're premature at this juncture in attempting to > commence research in Ireland > since as you mention yourself you have very little to start > with and no records > source that says your Duffys had any Mayo connections. > > Oceanstrands > > -- On Thu, 7/3/08, Westmilli@aol.com > <Westmilli@aol.com> wrote: > > > Well, here I am, looking to the other side of Ireland > for > > the paternal side > > of the family after finishing the maternal in Co. > Wexford, > > with very little to > > start with. Would really appreciate some help. > > > > My gggrandmother, Bridget Duffy left Ireland with her > > daughter, Catherine, > > my ggrandmother,age 4 or thereabouts, soon after her > > husband Owen died. > > Catherine was born in 1839, according to my source, so > that > > would be between > > 1840-1850. On some baptism certificates from a church > in > > Maryland where her mother > > was buried from there were some other Duffys that I > suspect > > were also a part > > of this family because of sponsor names and movement > > throughout the censuses. > > That would be Thomas Duffy and Anne(Anna, Ann) Duffy > > Sheeler. Each had > > several children baptized there. On one of the certs > the > > birthplace for the > > father, Thomas, was "Mayo-Hibernia". > > > > I saw many, many Owens on Griffiths on the marvelous > Failte > > Romhat site, but > > I focused on Burishoole Parish because there was a > Thomas > > in there also. I > > know that does not mean much because he would most > > probably have been too > > young for his own house. But Burishoole only has one > > townland that has Owens > > (stop laughing), and I have to start somewhere. I > shall > > also look into Kilbeagh > > and Kilmovee when I get to the FHC. > > > > I'll not go any more about what I've found on > this > > side because I've already > > taken too much time. I scanned the archives of the > messages > > of this list > > back to December 2006 and I only saw a reference once > to a > > Duffy at all, and > > that was non-relevant. Does anyone have any > information > > about an Owen Duffy who > > would have died about 1830-1840? I know that is broad, > but > > it is all I have > > for now. > > > > Thank you (I'll keep it shorter next time) > > > > Milli > > > > > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL > Autos > > for > > fuel-efficient used cars. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the subject and the body of > the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: BillClayton1945 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7860/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Matilda TIGHE, farmer's widow, of Rathlacken, Co. Mayo, Ireland died 15 June 1871 and is buried in Rathfran Cemetery, near Killala, Co. Mayo. Her headstone was "erected by her grandson, Atkinson Tighe, Esqr. of Newcastle Australia". I would like to make contact with any of Atkinson Tighe's descendents to see if we have a connection with our TIGHE family who emigrated to Quebec Canada from Killala, Co. Mayo in May 1824. Family lore indicates that Matilda Tighe was married to Henry Tighe and that Henry was buried at Rathfran, although the cemetery does not have any records of his burial. If anyone has any info wrt Atkinson Tighe's connection to Matilda Tighe & Ireland, I would like to hear from you. Bill Clayton, Surrey, BC, Canada billclayton@telus.net Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. PRIVACY STATEMENT http://www.thegenerationsnetwork.com/default.aspx?html=pp We do not sell, rent or otherwise distribute the personal information you provide us to third party advertisers. Don't want to receive this email anymore? No problem. It's easy to unsubscribe altogether or change your email preferences. Click here to unsubscribe from all message board alerts: http://www.ancestry.com/unsubscribe/?eml=IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com&md5=&mb=1 To change your preferences log in to My Ancestry and go to the 'my alerts' section. http://www.ancestry.com/t9760/e2008070519173800495735358866/rd.ashx You can contact us at: The Generations Network, Inc., 360 West 4800 North, Provo, UT 84604, Attn: Customer Service.

Oceanstrands, I have a question regarding RC church records particularly in Mayo. My father was born and raised on Crimlin townland in Turlough CP as was his father (1857) and grandfather (1820?) before him. I have researched the original records but was disappointed that the church records only began in 1847. I recall speaking to a priest in Limerick County regarding church records and he told me that some old church records were destroyed by mice. How common was that? Were RC church records not kept because of persecution even as late as the early 1800's? Thanks. Nora Hopkins FitzGerald HOPKINS/BLAINE/JENNINGS/CUNNINGHAM/MCMYLER from Crimlin, Derrylahan and Commauns townlands in Mayo **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Milli & Oceanstrands, My wife is a Higgins from CO Mayo and has distant relations by the name of Duffy, one who was a Police Chief in NJ and sponsored her parents from Co Mayo >Dublin> Coventry>NJ USA.  Her dad was born in 1904 just 8 miles outside of Westport, Ireland.  No knowledge of the early 1800s Duffy's, however has knowledge of the Duffy family who sponsored and welcomed them to the USA. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Oceanstrands <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com Sent: Sat, 5 Jul 2008 6:46 am Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] New Subscriber Looking For Duffy Milli, There are no records in Ireland about who emigrated, where they went, or what happened to them after they left. Whatever ships passenger records survive were handed in at the ports of arrival wherever they sailed to. US census records should include when Bridget and Catherine arrived in the US. What is Bridget's date of birth? Maiden name? Parents Names? What is your record source for information that Owen Duffy died in Ireland in 1839? Catherine was born in 1839, Catherine and Bridget you assume emigrated in 1849-50 which you say is shortly after Owen died in Ireland. What is your confirmation records source that Owen died the year Catherine was born but the Bridget and Catherine waited 10 years before emigration? Where in Ireland did Owen die? There are 32 counties with 64,000 towns and townlands. Civil registration of deaths didn't start in Ireland until 1864 so there will be no civil registration record of his death. No census records survive before 1901. Many church parish records don't even include death records. The majority of cemeteries in Ireland have no records for the nineteenth century. Many people died even without tombstones. Citing your source for that information would be very helpful as regards the records source where that information may have been obtained. Bridget was buried from a parish in Maryland which had other Duffys whom you assume were related to Bridget and Catherine. You don't have Bridget's surname. She was a Duffy only by marriage. What civil and church records have you searched in the US for not only Bridget and Catherine but the other Duffys to confirm there was any family connection whatsoever other than a surname which Bridget married into? Was Thomas Duffy and Anna Sheeler married in the US or Ireland? Was Anna Sheeler even born in Ireland? When was Thomas Duffy born in Mayo? Where in Mayo? parents names? When did he emigrate to the US? Did you look for his US Naturalization records, other records to find out where in Mayo he was born? You've searched the incomplete Griffiths Valuation indexes online and found a Thomas Duffy and Owen Duffy listed there together. Owen was long dead when Griffiths Valuation was done in County Mayo in 1856-7 and Bridget and Catherine already emigrated. You have no idea what Owen Duffy's parents names were. You don't even have a birth date for him. Did you search the detailed Griffiths Valuation property records in County Mayo for a Thomas Duffy in Burrishole Civil Parish 1856-7 to see what the property detail was for that property? Why do you think he owned a house? That Thomas Duffy actually leased property from Sir Richard O'Donnell along with 11 other tenants in 1856-7. Griffiths Valuation lists parishes which are the civil parishes, not the Roman Catholic parishes. The civil parishes were generally the Church of Ireland (Anglican) parishes since the British Government established that administrative division to conform to the Church of Ireland parishes. The Church of Ireland was the official church in Ireland at that time. You need to do more research in the civil and church records for Catherine and Bridget in the US to attempt to find out where each was born in Ireland. What was Bridget's maiden name? Date of birth? Parents names? Did Bridget remarry in the US? Did she have more children? Did she become a US citizen? Have you gotten Catherine's church marriage record to see if it included her birth location in Ireland or other attestation of her baptism from the church in Ireland where she was baptised? What about her children's civil and church records there, do their baptismal records there include where their mother was born in Ireland? What about their church marriage records? Obituaries? Catherine's tombstone, will, obituary, cemetery record? Same for Bridget? You're premature at this juncture in attempting to commence research in Ireland since as you mention yourself you have very little to start with and no records source that says your Duffys had any Mayo connections. Oceanstrands -- On Thu, 7/3/08, Westmilli@aol.com <Westmilli@aol.com> wrote: > Well, here I am, looking to the other side of Ireland for > the paternal side > of the family after finishing the maternal in Co. Wexford, > with very little to > start with. Would really appreciate some help. > > My gggrandmother, Bridget Duffy left Ireland with her > daughter, Catherine, > my ggrandmother,age 4 or thereabouts, soon after her > husband Owen died. > Catherine was born in 1839, according to my source, so that > would be between > 1840-1850. On some baptism certificates from a church in > Maryland where her mother > was buried from there were some other Duffys that I suspect > were also a part > of this family because of sponsor names and movement > throughout the censuses. > That would be Thomas Duffy and Anne(Anna, Ann) Duffy > Sheeler. Each had > several children baptized there. On one of the certs the > birthplace for the > father, Thomas, was "Mayo-Hibernia". > > I saw many, many Owens on Griffiths on the marvelous Failte > Romhat site, but > I focused on Burishoole Parish because there was a Thomas > in there also. I > know that does not mean much because he would most > probably have been too > young for his own house. But Burishoole only has one > townland that has Owens > (stop laughing), and I have to start somewhere. I shall > also look into Kilbeagh > and Kilmovee when I get to the FHC. > > I'll not go any more about what I've found on this > side because I've already > taken too much time. I scanned the archives of the messages > of this list > back to December 2006 and I only saw a reference once to a > Duffy at all, and > that was non-relevant. Does anyone have any information > about an Owen Duffy who > would have died about 1830-1840? I know that is broad, but > it is all I have > for now. > > Thank you (I'll keep it shorter next time) > > Milli > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? 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Milli, There are no records in Ireland about who emigrated, where they went, or what happened to them after they left. Whatever ships passenger records survive were handed in at the ports of arrival wherever they sailed to. US census records should include when Bridget and Catherine arrived in the US. What is Bridget's date of birth? Maiden name? Parents Names? What is your record source for information that Owen Duffy died in Ireland in 1839? Catherine was born in 1839, Catherine and Bridget you assume emigrated in 1849-50 which you say is shortly after Owen died in Ireland. What is your confirmation records source that Owen died the year Catherine was born but the Bridget and Catherine waited 10 years before emigration? Where in Ireland did Owen die? There are 32 counties with 64,000 towns and townlands. Civil registration of deaths didn't start in Ireland until 1864 so there will be no civil registration record of his death. No census records survive before 1901. Many church parish records don't even include death records. The majority of cemeteries in Ireland have no records for the nineteenth century. Many people died even without tombstones. Citing your source for that information would be very helpful as regards the records source where that information may have been obtained. Bridget was buried from a parish in Maryland which had other Duffys whom you assume were related to Bridget and Catherine. You don't have Bridget's surname. She was a Duffy only by marriage. What civil and church records have you searched in the US for not only Bridget and Catherine but the other Duffys to confirm there was any family connection whatsoever other than a surname which Bridget married into? Was Thomas Duffy and Anna Sheeler married in the US or Ireland? Was Anna Sheeler even born in Ireland? When was Thomas Duffy born in Mayo? Where in Mayo? parents names? When did he emigrate to the US? Did you look for his US Naturalization records, other records to find out where in Mayo he was born? You've searched the incomplete Griffiths Valuation indexes online and found a Thomas Duffy and Owen Duffy listed there together. Owen was long dead when Griffiths Valuation was done in County Mayo in 1856-7 and Bridget and Catherine already emigrated. You have no idea what Owen Duffy's parents names were. You don't even have a birth date for him. Did you search the detailed Griffiths Valuation property records in County Mayo for a Thomas Duffy in Burrishole Civil Parish 1856-7 to see what the property detail was for that property? Why do you think he owned a house? That Thomas Duffy actually leased property from Sir Richard O'Donnell along with 11 other tenants in 1856-7. Griffiths Valuation lists parishes which are the civil parishes, not the Roman Catholic parishes. The civil parishes were generally the Church of Ireland (Anglican) parishes since the British Government established that administrative division to conform to the Church of Ireland parishes. The Church of Ireland was the official church in Ireland at that time. You need to do more research in the civil and church records for Catherine and Bridget in the US to attempt to find out where each was born in Ireland. What was Bridget's maiden name? Date of birth? Parents names? Did Bridget remarry in the US? Did she have more children? Did she become a US citizen? Have you gotten Catherine's church marriage record to see if it included her birth location in Ireland or other attestation of her baptism from the church in Ireland where she was baptised? What about her children's civil and church records there, do their baptismal records there include where their mother was born in Ireland? What about their church marriage records? Obituaries? Catherine's tombstone, will, obituary, cemetery record? Same for Bridget? You're premature at this juncture in attempting to commence research in Ireland since as you mention yourself you have very little to start with and no records source that says your Duffys had any Mayo connections. Oceanstrands -- On Thu, 7/3/08, Westmilli@aol.com <Westmilli@aol.com> wrote: > Well, here I am, looking to the other side of Ireland for > the paternal side > of the family after finishing the maternal in Co. Wexford, > with very little to > start with. Would really appreciate some help. > > My gggrandmother, Bridget Duffy left Ireland with her > daughter, Catherine, > my ggrandmother,age 4 or thereabouts, soon after her > husband Owen died. > Catherine was born in 1839, according to my source, so that > would be between > 1840-1850. On some baptism certificates from a church in > Maryland where her mother > was buried from there were some other Duffys that I suspect > were also a part > of this family because of sponsor names and movement > throughout the censuses. > That would be Thomas Duffy and Anne(Anna, Ann) Duffy > Sheeler. Each had > several children baptized there. On one of the certs the > birthplace for the > father, Thomas, was "Mayo-Hibernia". > > I saw many, many Owens on Griffiths on the marvelous Failte > Romhat site, but > I focused on Burishoole Parish because there was a Thomas > in there also. I > know that does not mean much because he would most > probably have been too > young for his own house. But Burishoole only has one > townland that has Owens > (stop laughing), and I have to start somewhere. I shall > also look into Kilbeagh > and Kilmovee when I get to the FHC. > > I'll not go any more about what I've found on this > side because I've already > taken too much time. I scanned the archives of the messages > of this list > back to December 2006 and I only saw a reference once to a > Duffy at all, and > that was non-relevant. Does anyone have any information > about an Owen Duffy who > would have died about 1830-1840? I know that is broad, but > it is all I have > for now. > > Thank you (I'll keep it shorter next time) > > Milli > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos > for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Milli, There are no records in Ireland about who emigrated, where they went, or what happened to them after they left. Whatever ships passenger records survive were handed in at the ports of arrival wherever they sailed to. US census records should include when Bridget and Catherine arrived in the US. What is Bridget's date of birth? Maiden name? Parents Names? What is your record source for information that Owen Duffy died in Ireland in 1839? Catherine was born in 1839, Catherine and Bridget you assume emigrated in 1849-50 which you say is shortly after Owen died in Ireland. What is your confirmation records source that Owen died the year Catherine was born but the Bridget and Catherine waited 10 years before emigration? Where in Ireland did Owen die? There are 32 counties with 64,000 towns and townlands. Civil registration of deaths didn't start in Ireland until 1864 so there will be no civil registration record of his death. No census records survive before 1901. Many church parish records don't even include death records. The majority of cemeteries in Ireland have no records for the nineteenth century. Many people died even without tombstones. Citing your source for that information would be very helpful as regards the records source where that information may have been obtained. Bridget was buried from a parish in Maryland which had other Duffys whom you assume were related to Bridget and Catherine. You don't have Bridget's surname. She was a Duffy only by marriage. What civil and church records have you searched in the US for not only Bridget and Catherine but the other Duffys to confirm there was any family connection whatsoever other than a surname which Bridget married into? Was Thomas Duffy and Anna Sheeler married in the US or Ireland? Was Anna Sheeler even born in Ireland? When was Thomas Duffy born in Mayo? Where in Mayo? parents names? When did he emigrate to the US? Did you look for his US Naturalization records, other records to find out where in Mayo he was born? You've searched the incomplete Griffiths Valuation indexes online and found a Thomas Duffy and Owen Duffy listed there together. Owen was long dead when Griffiths Valuation was done in County Mayo in 1856-7 and Bridget and Catherine already emigrated. You have no idea what Owen Duffy's parents names were. You don't even have a birth date for him. Did you search the detailed Griffiths Valuation property records in County Mayo for a Thomas Duffy in Burrishole Civil Parish 1856-7 to see what the property detail was for that property? Why do you think he owned a house? That Thomas Duffy actually leased property from Sir Richard O'Donnell along with 11 other tenants in 1856-7. Griffiths Valuation lists parishes which are the civil parishes, not the Roman Catholic parishes. The civil parishes were generally the Church of Ireland (Anglican) parishes since the British Government established that administrative division to conform to the Church of Ireland parishes. The Church of Ireland was the official church in Ireland at that time. You need to do more research in the civil and church records for Catherine and Bridget in the US to attempt to find out where each was born in Ireland. What was Bridget's maiden name? Date of birth? Parents names? Did Bridget remarry in the US? Did she have more children? Did she become a US citizen? Have you gotten Catherine's church marriage record to see if it included her birth location in Ireland or other attestation of her baptism from the church in Ireland where she was baptised? What about her children's civil and church records there, do their baptismal records there include where their mother was born in Ireland? What about their church marriage records? Obituaries? Catherine's tombstone, will, obituary, cemetery record? Same for Bridget? You're premature at this juncture in attempting to commence research in Ireland since as you mention yourself you have very little to start with and no records source that says your Duffys had any Mayo connections. Oceanstrands -- On Thu, 7/3/08, Westmilli@aol.com <Westmilli@aol.com> wrote: > Well, here I am, looking to the other side of Ireland for > the paternal side > of the family after finishing the maternal in Co. Wexford, > with very little to > start with. Would really appreciate some help. > > My gggrandmother, Bridget Duffy left Ireland with her > daughter, Catherine, > my ggrandmother,age 4 or thereabouts, soon after her > husband Owen died. > Catherine was born in 1839, according to my source, so that > would be between > 1840-1850. On some baptism certificates from a church in > Maryland where her mother > was buried from there were some other Duffys that I suspect > were also a part > of this family because of sponsor names and movement > throughout the censuses. > That would be Thomas Duffy and Anne(Anna, Ann) Duffy > Sheeler. Each had > several children baptized there. On one of the certs the > birthplace for the > father, Thomas, was "Mayo-Hibernia". > > I saw many, many Owens on Griffiths on the marvelous Failte > Romhat site, but > I focused on Burishoole Parish because there was a Thomas > in there also. I > know that does not mean much because he would most > probably have been too > young for his own house. But Burishoole only has one > townland that has Owens > (stop laughing), and I have to start somewhere. I shall > also look into Kilbeagh > and Kilmovee when I get to the FHC. > > I'll not go any more about what I've found on this > side because I've already > taken too much time. I scanned the archives of the messages > of this list > back to December 2006 and I only saw a reference once to a > Duffy at all, and > that was non-relevant. Does anyone have any information > about an Owen Duffy who > would have died about 1830-1840? I know that is broad, but > it is all I have > for now. > > Thank you (I'll keep it shorter next time) > > Milli > > > > **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos > for > fuel-efficient used cars. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Ed, Milli doesn't know where in County Mayo her Duffys were born or even if they were born in County Mayo. She's apparently using Griffith Valuation indexes to pick the location where the surname was most common and where a Thomas and an Owen are listed together. Milli has found that Thomas Duffy in Maryland in the US was born in County Mayo. She doesn't mention this Thomas Duffy's parents names, date of birth, or where in County Mayo he was born. She hasn't established a thread of connection in any official record -- civil or religious -- in the US between that Thomas Duffy in Maryland born in County Mayo in some unknown location on an unknown date with unknown parents names and her Owen Duffy who died in 1839 somewhere in Ireland, unknown location with unknown parents names Diffy is an extremely common surname in Ireland and it was found everywhere in Griffiths Valuation surname distributions 1848-64, most often actually in County Monaghan. There was a very limited number of given names given to people in those years and they are found everywhere with that surname. Milli hasn't even searched the detailed Griffiths Valuation records, just used the online index. The Griffiths indexes aren't complete. Griffiths was done in County Mayo in 1856-7, since her Duffys left Ireland before Griffiths was published none of that specific family who emigrated would have still been leasing land in Mayo in 1856-7. Owen was dead by then. Milli doesn't have a death location in Ireland or parents names. Her Owen wouldn't have been responsible for rent in Griffiths Valuation in Mayo in 1856-7, 17 years after his death in an unknown location in Ireland. You also fail to take into account not all County Mayo Roman Catholic parish records survive back to the dates Milli needs for her Duffys including her Catherine. If Catherine was born in one of the numerous parishes where the records don't survive back to her birth year, she won't be in the IFHF database. Same difficulty for Catherine's parents. That's why Milli needs a birthplace in County Mayo for Catherine from the family's US records. And for Catherine's parents. They may not even have been born in County Mayo. Only then can she determine whether or not the parish records survive for that birth location in Mayo or wherever they were born in Ireland and how the records might be accessed. Milli doesn't even have a surname for Bridget Duffy. You always need to check to see how far back the parish records go in a county, county-wide for all parishes in the county -- before you can assess whether or not IFHF records might even be relevant for the information you need. The IFHF database also isn't complete for all records that even survive. You need to check the detailed information about the database of IFHF records for County Mayo or wherever her family was born in Ireland to see what records they have in the database and compare those to the parish records that survive that may not be in the database. Same for the civil records. On top of all that, IFHF has a notorious reputation for database errors as you mention also. That's been confirmed by many who already had their ancestors baptismal records or civil registration records and checked the actual information they have against the IFHF database. Many were incorrect in the database or weren't even in the database. Ships passenger records to the US for 1849-50 (during the Famine) don't all survive. Again there are no complete records for those. Bridget and Catherine may even have emigrated through Canada since the fares were cheaper and more ships were going to Canada than to the US during that time. Even if Milli finds a Bridget and child Catherine emigrating to the US in a ships passenger record which includes a location in Mayo or Ireland, there's no way to confirm whether that Bridget and child Catherine are hers or one of the tens of thousands of others who emigrated with those same names. If she knew where Bridget and Catherine lived before emigration or were born in Ireland and she found a ships passenger record for a Bridget and Catherine who lived in that location in Ireland before emigration or were born in that location in Ireland, the chances they are hers would be more likely. Oceanstrands --- On Thu, 7/3/08, Ejljbl@aol.com <Ejljbl@aol.com> wrote: > From: Ejljbl@aol.com <Ejljbl@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] New Subscriber Looking For Duffy > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com, IRL-MAYO@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, July 3, 2008, 10:32 PM > In a message dated 7/3/2008 6:13:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight > Time, > Westmilli@aol.com writes: > > Bridget Duffy left Ireland with her daughter, Catherine, > my ggrandmother,age 4 or thereabouts, soon after her > husband Owen died. > Catherine was born in 1839, > > > Milli: > > Welcome to the group ! > > I am one of the few members that believe that the IFHF ( > _http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/_ > (http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/) ) can help, especially > when you > know where to look. > > There are 19,473 Duffy's born in the IFHF Data Base, > but only 9 Owens in > Mayo, all born after 1856, so no help there. And it > appears that Death records > were not kept til 1864, long after Owen died. > > There are 8 Catherine born in Mayo between 1835-1843, 2 in > 1839, but here's > all 8: > 1835 Aghogower, 1836 Bekan, 1839 Bekan & Annagh, 1840 > Aglish, 1941 > Crossmolina, and in > 1843 Islandeady & Aglish. > > There is an Owen Duffy that married in 1831 in > Kilconduffy/Swineford. Could > be ! > > All of these records were found in RC Parishes. (Ex: > Bekan RC Parish) > > I didn't look for Thomas & Anne Duffy, whom I > believe you were saying, were > Bro / Sis / distant relatives. > > Since Catherine & Bridget left Ireland before > Griffiths, & Owen was > deceased, I suggest you try to find Tom & Anne, to see > if there is a connection by > location. The Passenger lists for Mother & Child might > provide additional > information. > > Good Luck on your search. Hope this is helpful. > > Ed (Pat) Logan of Philly > PS: The IFHF is reportedly full of Transcription errors, > that could very > well be true.

In a message dated 7/3/2008 6:13:59 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, Westmilli@aol.com writes: Bridget Duffy left Ireland with her daughter, Catherine, my ggrandmother,age 4 or thereabouts, soon after her husband Owen died. Catherine was born in 1839, Milli: Welcome to the group ! I am one of the few members that believe that the IFHF ( _http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/_ (http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/) ) can help, especially when you know where to look. There are 19,473 Duffy's born in the IFHF Data Base, but only 9 Owens in Mayo, all born after 1856, so no help there. And it appears that Death records were not kept til 1864, long after Owen died. There are 8 Catherine born in Mayo between 1835-1843, 2 in 1839, but here's all 8: 1835 Aghogower, 1836 Bekan, 1839 Bekan & Annagh, 1840 Aglish, 1941 Crossmolina, and in 1843 Islandeady & Aglish. There is an Owen Duffy that married in 1831 in Kilconduffy/Swineford. Could be ! All of these records were found in RC Parishes. (Ex: Bekan RC Parish) I didn't look for Thomas & Anne Duffy, whom I believe you were saying, were Bro / Sis / distant relatives. Since Catherine & Bridget left Ireland before Griffiths, & Owen was deceased, I suggest you try to find Tom & Anne, to see if there is a connection by location. The Passenger lists for Mother & Child might provide additional information. Good Luck on your search. Hope this is helpful. Ed (Pat) Logan of Philly PS: The IFHF is reportedly full of Transcription errors, that could very well be true. **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Well, here I am, looking to the other side of Ireland for the paternal side of the family after finishing the maternal in Co. Wexford, with very little to start with. Would really appreciate some help. My gggrandmother, Bridget Duffy left Ireland with her daughter, Catherine, my ggrandmother,age 4 or thereabouts, soon after her husband Owen died. Catherine was born in 1839, according to my source, so that would be between 1840-1850. On some baptism certificates from a church in Maryland where her mother was buried from there were some other Duffys that I suspect were also a part of this family because of sponsor names and movement throughout the censuses. That would be Thomas Duffy and Anne(Anna, Ann) Duffy Sheeler. Each had several children baptized there. On one of the certs the birthplace for the father, Thomas, was "Mayo-Hibernia". I saw many, many Owens on Griffiths on the marvelous Failte Romhat site, but I focused on Burishoole Parish because there was a Thomas in there also. I know that does not mean much because he would most probably have been too young for his own house. But Burishoole only has one townland that has Owens (stop laughing), and I have to start somewhere. I shall also look into Kilbeagh and Kilmovee when I get to the FHC. I'll not go any more about what I've found on this side because I've already taken too much time. I scanned the archives of the messages of this list back to December 2006 and I only saw a reference once to a Duffy at all, and that was non-relevant. Does anyone have any information about an Owen Duffy who would have died about 1830-1840? I know that is broad, but it is all I have for now. Thank you (I'll keep it shorter next time) Milli **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007)

Hi June, Here's a link to the Catholic parish maps in Mayo, click on each parish and you'll find the dates each parish records cover, most of the records are available on microfilm on order through your nearest LDS Family History Center: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/mayorc.htm Not all the parish records may go back far enough to include John's baptismal record which is why you need to find out where he was born in Mayo. At least you'd know where he was from even if his baptismal information isn't available. Write to the church where he was married and ask for the information from the marriage register about his marriage. Churches abroad often required the Irish born emigrant provide proof of baptism from the home church here in Ireland. It may be a letter from the parish or some other confirmation of his baptism and where it was. Oceanstrands --- On Wed, 7/2/08, June Chatterton <junechatterton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > From: June Chatterton <junechatterton@blueyonder.co.uk> > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] John KENNEY ofCounty Mayo > To: IRL-MAYO@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, July 2, 2008, 5:38 AM > Hi Oceanstrand > > I have today discovered that one of his children, that I > only found out > about today, were baptised at St Maries Catholic Church in > Sheffield. > > I am still searching for his place of burial. > > I also found the baptism at St Maries of one of his > grandchildren and the > child's father is buried in Roman Catholic consecrated > ground. > > I haven't a clue which town John Kenney came from as > yet. > > Regards > > June > > June Chatterton > Sheffield > United Kingdom > > Handmade Greeting Cards and Wedding Stationary > www.craftmarkets.co.uk/chatterboxdesigns > and > http://artymiss.co.uk/barter/stores.php - Look for > Chatterbox Designs > > Family History > www.junechatterton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk > Looking for members of the following familys > BENSON, BRADFORD, CHATTERTON, FIELDSEND, HAWLEY, LEMONS and > MITCHELL > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Oceanstrand I have today discovered that one of his children, that I only found out about today, were baptised at St Maries Catholic Church in Sheffield. I am still searching for his place of burial. I also found the baptism at St Maries of one of his grandchildren and the child's father is buried in Roman Catholic consecrated ground. I haven't a clue which town John Kenney came from as yet. Regards June June Chatterton Sheffield United Kingdom Handmade Greeting Cards and Wedding Stationary www.craftmarkets.co.uk/chatterboxdesigns and http://artymiss.co.uk/barter/stores.php - Look for Chatterbox Designs Family History www.junechatterton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Looking for members of the following familys BENSON, BRADFORD, CHATTERTON, FIELDSEND, HAWLEY, LEMONS and MITCHELL

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: ritarobinson179 Surnames: Saunders, Bewley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/2219.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Moira, I have some information regarding Jane Saunders and her father George Saunders, George being the brother of my 3rd Gr. Grandfather Brabazon Saunders, would love to hear from you. Rita Durban, South Africa Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello Diane, Thankyou for your help. No I haven`t looked a the LDS film-so must go today and see if I can order it. The on-line site is really a bit of a "have" then, as you pay money expecting to get the whole thing, and it is not the real thing after all-I didn`t know that, and have wasted quite a lot of money lately, especially when most of them have not been who I wanted anyway., With Many Thanks again Lyall -----Original Message----- From: irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com]On Behalf Of DLCulhane@cs.com Sent: Monday, 30 June 2008 11:44 p.m. To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] QUINN and JUDGE Did you check the LDS film of the original record? Often it has more information than on-line sites provide. Also, the civil registration (groireland.ie) would give the fathers' names and townlands. Diane ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.101 / Virus Database: 270.4.2/1523 - Release Date: 6/28/2008 7:00 AM

Well, it's not a complete waste of money if it helps you narrow things down. If a name is common, and many of mine are, I strike out more than half the time when I write the GRO. Diane

Hi Mayo Listers, As you can see my name is Staunton. I'm hoping to find my father's ancestors in the Belcarra Ballydavock area of Mayo. My father was born (Templemore) in 1931 to Patrick Staunton and Catherine Ryan. Patrick was born about 1905 at Belcarra and father's name was John (my dad thinks?). Patrick had a brother Thomas, two sisters Annie and K?, maybe more. Patrick died in 1977 Newpark Kilkenny and served for a long time in the Garda Siochana joining the force in 1923. According to his obit, Annie married Dignan and lived in Longford, K married Londhra lived at Castlebar. Patrick's cousin Rev B Cuffe Carmelite Order Loughrea and his Patrick's nephew Rev. Padraig Staunton from Carraroe are also mentioned. I would love to from anyone with more info. Thanks, Best wishes, Linda - NW London

Thanks very much, Oceanstrands - I didn't know that. At the moment it looks as though all my WARDs emigrated to England in the 1850s, but if I can establish that others remained in Ireland or returned there, I'll certainly look it up. Regards, Barry Barry Johnson Monmouthshire http://www.milfordtrawlers.org.uk/ Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2008 07:59:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Oceanstrands <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Westport St.Mary records To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com Message-ID: <99914.27808.qm@web45209.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Barry, Did you know the 1901 Mayo census has been transcribed online? Don't know if that would be of any help to you for any more of the family research. Oceanstrands

Hi June, You'll need to find out what religion John Kenney was from his records in England because church parish records that might survive for his birthplace in County Mayo would be the source for a baptismal record for him. You'll have to find out what church he was married in and/or where his children were baptised. You'll also have to find out from his civil and church records in England and his children's specifically where he was born in County Mayo. There are no surviving census records before 1901 and no civil registration before 1864. Not all church records survive for all location in Mayo for all religious denominations. What church records survive for his specific birth location depends on his religion and where he was born in the county. There's a list of the names of all the towns and townlands in Mayo at http://www.seanruad.com and pick Mayo as your search county. Oceanstrands --- On Mon, 6/30/08, June Chatterton <junechatterton@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote: > From: June Chatterton <junechatterton@blueyonder.co.uk> > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] Kenn(e)y's of Mayo > To: IRL-MAYO@rootsweb.com > Date: Monday, June 30, 2008, 9:36 AM > Hi I am new to list. I am hoping that someone can help me > in tracing the > family of John Kenney who was born, according to the > Sheffield, UK, 1861 > census was born Mayo, Ireland about 1838. According to his > marriage > certificate his father was Nicholas KENNEY a labourer. > > I do not what religion he was. This is the only information > I have. > > I would be grateful for any help. I have also subscribed > to the KENNEY list > > Thank you > > June > > June Chatterton > Sheffield > United Kingdom > > Handmade Greeting Cards and Wedding Stationary > www.craftmarkets.co.uk/chatterboxdesigns > and > http://artymiss.co.uk/barter/stores.php - Look for > Chatterbox Designs > > Family History > www.junechatterton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk > Looking for members of the following familys > BENSON, BRADFORD, CHATTERTON, FIELDSEND, HAWLEY, LEMONS and > MITCHELL > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi I am new to list. I am hoping that someone can help me in tracing the family of John Kenney who was born, according to the Sheffield, UK, 1861 census was born Mayo, Ireland about 1838. According to his marriage certificate his father was Nicholas KENNEY a labourer. I do not what religion he was. This is the only information I have. I would be grateful for any help. I have also subscribed to the KENNEY list Thank you June June Chatterton Sheffield United Kingdom Handmade Greeting Cards and Wedding Stationary www.craftmarkets.co.uk/chatterboxdesigns and http://artymiss.co.uk/barter/stores.php - Look for Chatterbox Designs Family History www.junechatterton.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk Looking for members of the following familys BENSON, BRADFORD, CHATTERTON, FIELDSEND, HAWLEY, LEMONS and MITCHELL

Hello, I have just joined the List and wonder if anyone might be able to help me. I am looking for the families of Daniel QUINN and Bridget JUDGE. They married at Crossmolina 6 Mar 1873-I have this cert from on-line. No parents names were given-so wasn`t a lot of help.It was the first time I had heard Crossmolina mentioned , as they then went to live at Attymas where they had these children I know of. James bn 1878, Patrick, Alice, Mary, Daniel, Ann and John. Although I think I have found them in the 1901 Census, but with slightly different children than in the 1901 Census Townland Mullaghawny Parish Attymas Barony Gallen County Mayo Daniel 54 Bridget 50 James 20 Bridget 14 Patt 12 Alice 9 Maria 7 Daniel 5 A grandson can to New Zealand, but doesn`t seem to know very much about his family. Any help would be appreciated. With Many Thanks Lyall Mitchell

Hi Barry, Did you know the 1901 Mayo census has been transcribed online? Don't know if that would be of any help to you for any more of the family research. Oceanstrands --- On Fri, 6/27/08, Barry Johnson <saintcybi@llangibby.eclipse.co.uk> wrote: > From: Barry Johnson <saintcybi@llangibby.eclipse.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Westport St.Mary records > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com, oceanstrands@yahoo.com > Date: Friday, June 27, 2008, 8:37 PM > Thank you very much for that answer to my query, > Oceanstrands - even though > it's bad news about the baptisms! > > At least I now know what I can, and what I can't find > out. > > Thanks and best wishes, > Barry > > Barry Johnson > Monmouthshire > http://www.milfordtrawlers.org.uk/ > > Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2008 01:02:08 -0700 (PDT) > From: Oceanstrands <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Westport St.Mary records > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <877912.1889.qm@web45208.mail.sp1.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Hi Barry, > > St. Mary's records go back far enough to include your > ancestors marriage > information but not baptism information. > > Here's the link to the parish records dates, St. > Mary's is part of the > Aughaval parish records: > http://www.ireland.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=show > idrecords&CityCounty=Mayo&parish=Aughaval&churchid=1043 > > The parish records are available on microfilm through LDS, > the LDS microfilm > number is included in that link. > > Oceanstrands > > > --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Barry Johnson > <saintcybi@llangibby.eclipse.co.uk> > wrote: > > > From: Barry Johnson > <saintcybi@llangibby.eclipse.co.uk> > > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] Westport St.Mary records > > To: IRL-MAYO@rootsweb.com > > Date: Monday, June 23, 2008, 11:11 PM > > According to the 1891 Mansfield census, William WARD > was > > born in Westport > > St. Mary in about 1838, and from other records his > parents > > were John and > > Mary (or Maria, formerly MCLEON), while his sisters > Sarah > > and Bridget were > > born about 1841 and 1842, respectively. > > > > John WARD was born about 1802, and Mary/Maria about > 1813, > > so their marriage > > would probably have taken place in the late 1830s. > They > > emigrated to > > England about 1851. > > > > On the excellent "Irish Roots" website > compiled > > by Pat Deese I can't see any > > Westport St.Mary's birth records going back to > that > > period, neither can I > > see any Westport St.Mary's marriage records for > the > > 1830s. Is that because > > the records haven't yet been transcribed and added > to > > the website, or is it > > simply that such records don't exist? > > > > I'd like to know whether it's worth writing to > the > > parish with a payment for > > a search of the records. > > > > Barry Johnson > > Monmouthshire > > http://www.milfordtrawlers.org.uk/ > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and > > the body of the message > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-MAYO list administrator, send an email > to > IRL-MAYO-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-MAYO mailing list, send an > email to > IRL-MAYO@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in > the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-MAYO Digest, Vol 3, Issue 180 > ****************************************