This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: oceanstrands Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7568.1.1.1.3/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi David, Do you have an idea about what year your greatuncle was born? The 1930 US Federal Census in Cleveland includes 28 entries for Killeens living in Cleveland. One listed is John Killeen b 1888 with a son George age 12 still living at home and wife Julia. While it says John was born in New York many emigrants said that since they didn't want to be considered foreign born. There is also a John Killeen b1901 age 29 and his wife Cecilia age 23 living with her parents Michael and Eleanor McGlynn in Cleveland. But that John says he was born in Northern Ireland. There was some question in the US then about what counties were included in Northern Ireland which had just been established in the 1920s. A friend of mine here in Mayo had an ancestor who emigrated from one of the other counties in Ireland to Cleveland in the late 1920s and was able to get his obituary from the Cleveland Public Library (free) and also got a copy of the deed to his property in Cleveland (free) after posting on the Cleveland (Cuyahoga County, Ohio) message board. Also found his living relatives who are descendants there or in nearby areas around Cleveland. People on the Cuyahoga County message board were very helpful searching local records there. Do you have the 1901 census information for your family in Mayo? That's online. Have you gotten the 1911 census information for your Killeens in Ballyhaunis? You can order the 1911 census records microfilms for Ballyhaunis in Mayo through your nearest LDS Family History Centre. Oceanstrands Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: oceanstrands Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7568.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jean, I thought you wanted to research your ancestry in Ballyhaunis. But I see you're looking for information about your grandfather who emigrated to the UK and then to the US in the 1920s and 1930s. Unfortunately there aren't any records here in Mayo or Ireland that would help you identify where he went either in the UK or the US. You would need to search US records to get information about him locally wherever he emigrated there. For any family records in Ireland, all Irish civil registrations records for the Twentieth Century at least through the 1950s (perhaps later) are available on microfilm through your nearest LDS family History Centre. They're in date order so they need to be searched by date. Since I live here I research the original records at the General Register Office Research Room in Dublin near the Financial Services Centre. You mention you live in the UK. That could be England, Scotland, Wales or Northern Ireland. However, you can search the LDS website http://www.familysearch.org for a LDS Family History Centre nearest you in whichever country you reside. You can also access the US Federal census records online through your nearest LDS Family History Centre. The last US Federal census released is 1930. It's searchable by surname. Of course there are 50 US States where your grandfather could have gone but you could search the 1930 US Federal census for him and his brothers there. Many people went into the US through Ellis Island and those records are online: http://www.ellisisland.org/ He also would have had to join US Social Security retirement and the US Social Security Death Index is also online: http://ssdi.rootsweb.ancestry.com/ http://www.familytreelegends.com/records/ssdi http://stevemorse.org/ssdi/ssdi.html There wouldn't be any records in Mayo or Ireland about your grandfather in the UK or in the US. Many tens of thousands of people emigrated during the Twentieth Century just from Mayo and several million from Ireland and there are no records here in Mayo or Ireland about where they went or what happened to them after emigration. The last census records released here in Ireland is 1911 and that's not online. You can post on the US message boards wherever you believe your grandfather emigrated for information about records there. I don't live in the US or the UK. I live in Mayo. Best of luck with your research. Oceanstrands Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I suspect the nonresponse of the first pastor was due to his age, not greed. I've almost always received responses from my letters to parish priests. Keep in mind that they're often understaffed and elderly. If they must choose between attending to parishioners or answering letters from abroad, they'll do the former, but most, in my experience, do both. Diane

Oceanstrands, Your message relative to one's ability to acquire data on ancestors is both "good" and "bad". The difficulty is that one must have " the knowledge " of where an ancestor resided at the time of immigration in order to be capable of checking with a church.  Then it is up to the church to respond, regardless of the " toll paid " to glean the information desired.  Take it from one who  blew almost $ 100.00 in two (2) mailings to " the pastor of the church".  Decided to visit Ireland and went to the church twice, old pastor there the first visit (could see the steak and wine)  - too busy  to help all week; then visited the same church the next year, new pastor - reviewed records dating from  around 1825 up and found the McShane family instantly.   Reading your message would indicate to myself, that there is "no sense " looking, when " money is the key to ones roots ". Just a comment meaning: ".... no offense to anyone other than be prepared to "pay" for any information ". Bill -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 7:15 am Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] John Glenn or Glynn Wilmington, Delaware This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: oceanstrands Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: htt p://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7873.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Constance, There aren't any records in Ireland about who emigrated, where they went or what happened to them after emigration. Ships passenger records were handed in at the ports of arrival. Irish civil registration/vital records didn't begin until 1864. Protestant civil registration marriage records began in 1845. Church parish records for your ancestors birthplaces in Ireland or Mayo which survive would be the possible source for baptismal records for them. You've posted on the County Mayo, Ireland message board. Were John Glenn/Glynn or Mary Reilly and her sister born in County Mayo? Do you have their birth locations in Mayo and parents names? Religious denomination? There's a list of the names of all the towns and townlands in Mayo at http://www.seanruad.com and pick Mayo as your search county. There aren't any surviving census records in Ireland before 1901. Oceanstrands Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dhkilleen Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7568.1.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Mary Ellen. I will get in touch separately. David Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dhkilleen Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7568.1.1.1.2.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks for the information - that's very helpful. David Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thisledome1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7568.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Oceanstrands We went to the church and spoke to the priest there and he kindly looked up his records to find the death date of John Killeen my g/grandfather ,then we went to Roscommon and got his death certificate .The priest couldnt find anything on his wife Ellen Killeen ,but what we did find out of there neigbours was that the youngest son Edward sold the farm and moved away i cant remember the place name now but it was close to Rosscommon .We did ask a lady that was working in the register office if she could look for a death of a Ellen Killeen .Which she did and came up with the death certificate of an Ellen Killeen dying in a old folks home in 1943 her husband (deceased ) was a farmer the person who registered the death was another paitent in the home . Bye this time Edward had gone to the US to be with his brother ,my grandfather .So iam 99% sure this was my g/grandmother . The reason for all this searching is iam trying to find out what happened to my grandfather he married my grandmother in 1922 in the UK my mum was born in 1922 and 3 years later he went to the US to his brothers John and Thomas ,when my mum was 10 he came back to the UK but only stayed 3 months and went back they corresponded till 1937 and then no word from him again . I knew he had a sister who lived in the US so i have been trying to follow her paper trail for the last 2 years as well ,To cut a long story short iam now in contact with Sabina,s grandaughter who now lives in San Dieago Cal . Sabina had 3 children who are all dead now so this grandaughter is getting in touch with siblings and cousins to see if they can remember if there was any mention in there family of Sabina,s brother my grandfather.Dont hold out much hope but at least i have found cousins in the US . I live in the UK i have never been to the US . Jean Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Jean and all others, "I live in the UK i have never been to the US ."  Jean Time is of the essence... with the value of the dollar down right now, you can not beat it. Many from the British Island have traveled while the cost is down. The dollar will come back eventually, so plan your trip now. Enjoyed Britain and Ireland in the 1990's, 2001. Bill ******* -----Original Message----- From: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com <gc-gateway@rootsweb.com> To: IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 2:32 pm Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] searching for killeens in ballhaunis This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thisledome1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7568.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Oceanstrands We went to the church and spoke to the priest there and he kindly looked up his records to find the death date of John Killeen my g/grandfather ,then we went to Roscommon and got his death certificate .The priest couldnt find anything on his wife Ellen Killeen ,but what we did find out of there neigbours was that the youngest son Edward sold the farm and moved away i cant remember the place name now but it was close to Rosscommon .We did ask a lady that was working in the register office if she could look for a death of a Ellen Killeen .Which she did and came up with the=2 0death certificate of an Ellen Killeen dying in a old folks home in 1943 her husband (deceased ) was a farmer the person who registered the death was another paitent in the home . Bye this time Edward had gone to the US to be with his brother ,my grandfather .So iam 99% sure this was my g/grandmother . The reason for all this searching is iam trying to find out what happened to my grandfather he married my grandmother in 1922 in the UK my mum was born in 1922 and 3 years later he went to the US to his brothers John and Thomas ,when my mum was 10 he came back to the UK but only stayed 3 months and went back they corresponded till 1937 and then no word from him again . I knew he had a sister who lived in the US so i have been trying to follow her paper trail for the last 2 years as well ,To cut a long story short iam now in contact with Sabina,s grandaughter who now lives in San Dieago Cal . Sabina had 3 children who are all dead now so this grandaughter is getting in touch with siblings and cousins to see if they can remember if there was any mention in there family of Sabina,s brother my grandfather.Dont hold out much hope but at least i have found cousins in the US . I live in the UK i have never been to the US . Jean Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond o n the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryellenchambers Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7568.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: David Contact me at maryln61@sbcglobal.net off list. I may be able to assist you with places for research in the Greater Cleveland (Cuyahoga County) area. Or, as Ocean has suggested, put a messege/query on the Cleveland Irish list. Meantime, I will check out some places to see if I can find data on a John KILLEEN. One of my husband's close friends and a business associate is a Kevin KILLEEN who lives in the area. Mary Ellen Chambers Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: oceanstrands Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7568.1.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi David, Regarding your great uncle John Killeen who emigrated to Cleveland, have you looked at the US census records online for him in Cleveland? They're online through 1930 and searchable by surname. Did you know there's a Cleveland Irish genealogy list where you could post for information about him and his family? http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/usa/OH/misc.html#OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH And here's the list archives: http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/index/OH-CLEVELAND-IRISH/ And the Cuyahoga Message Board which includes Cleveland: http://boards.ancestry.com/localities.northam.usa.states.ohio.counties.cuyahoga/mb.ashx Mary Ellen Chambers in Cleveland has ancestors from Mayo and is a frequent poster on both the Mayo board and the Cleveland Irish list. She may be able to give you more exact information about finding records for your great uncle and his family in Cleveland. If you look at the Cleveland Irish List archives you'll see Mary Ellen was recently working on an article for the Westport Historical Society Journal about Westport emigrants to Cleveland and had several messages on the Cleveland Irish list for several months relating to gathering information for it. The US phone book is online: http://www.whitepages.com/ Oceanstrands Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: oceanstrands Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7568.1.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hello Jean, When you were in Ballyhaunis did you research the church records for your ancestors? They're microfilmed and included in Bekan Parish records but I don't believe they're available on microfilm through LDS: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showidrecords&CityCounty=Mayo&parish=Bekan&churchid=1050 Have you gotten the family information from the 1901 online Mayo census? Irish civil registrations records began in 1864 and you can search those on microfilm through your nearest LDS Family History Centre for family information. They're all in date order. Oceanstrands Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryellenchambers Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7873.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Just and FYI, my great grandmother Margaret COONEY from Achill Island, County Mayo, arrived that very same day at NYC. Have to check the passenger list to see if they were on the same ship. A few years later she married Henry Thomas FRIEL whose parents were Anthony and Mary REILLY from the Bohola area of Mayo. Interesting coincidences. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: CBrodish Surnames: Glenn, Glynn Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7873/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My Great Grandfather is John Glynn or Glenn. He married Mary Reilly who landed in New York the Night Lincoln was shot - April 15, 1865. She arrived with a sister and the sister married the brother of John. Any information you have I would love to know! Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

We have just added some headstone photos from St. Mary's Church Cemetery, Crossmolina. These images were contributed by Jan Waugh. You can view these by going to our main page at: http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ Click on Mayo and Headstones. There is also a direct link to all the county's with headstones below the table. Please be aware that there is also a text file. You can open it first from the Headstone Index (in the left hand column) and you can find it at any time while you are looking at photos. Click on Thumbnails and it will return you to the main page. You can click on "Text File" from there. Sorry for the long instructions, but I like to be sure people can navigate as easily as possible. Also -- in June we added another set of Balla RC Marriages. These are for 1864-65. These are in the Mayo-Church section. We have also added a lot of Newspaper Records to the Ireland General Area. These cover different counties. An example of what you might find here: Evicted Tenants Fund 1882 "John KEAN, Pat BRADY, John KIELTY, Michael SCANLON, and P. FALLON, living in Land League Huts, on the property of Mr. Bourke, Claremorris, Co. Mayo." To sort through the articles try the search engine on the main page. Use the drop down box and make it ireland. Then try a search like |mayo brady| If you have any questions about the site let me know. We are joyfully accepting transcriptions and headstones. Christina Ireland Genealogy Projects Archives

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Irishlass45_98 Surnames: JORDAN, HOPKINS, JENNINGS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7872.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Maryellen, I should clarify that my great great grandfather's (Michael Jordan) name was listed on the land until his death. John Jennings received 1/2 of the 55 acres (noted as such on the land records) and Michael had the other half. When Michael's second daughter, Anne (my great grandmother), married Thomas Hopkins also of Derrylahan in 1861, Thomas received half of Michael's acreage. All three names, Michael Jordan, John Jennings and Thomas Hopkins are noted on the land records. Thomas received Michael's portion upon Michael's death. Considering how poor the law was for farming, you are probably correct that it was changed to cattle raising. Nora Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryellenchambers Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7872.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Nora~ Ocean might have some exact ways but I would assume that it is similar to someone leasing/renting property today in the USA. A person for whatever reason could no longer manage the lease and pay the rent. Therefore, it was taken over by a person who could. It woulds have been arranged with the approval of the landlord. Since this was Mayo, after the Great Famine, many landlords in the west country went from farming to cattle. Perhaps, this was the reason for a new tenant who would handle live stock on the land. When my husband's family left Waterford in 1850, the landlord never leased it (about 30 acres) until it was sold in the 1870s. We found this out through the Valuation Office in Dublin. Wanted to be sure we had the correct land. At the time we did it, it was about 40 Irish pounds ($56. American. It was an interesting history of the farm for our records. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: thisledome1 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7568.1.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi David We went to the Friary churchyard and saw a grave that said something about a Killeen family we worked out some how that,that was,nt our Killeen,s must have been your,s did you happen to look in the other graveyard ? the grave stones are beautifull we walked all round it but didnt see any Killeen,s Yes i think you must be right about the Churchill name i did,nt realise that Killeen was spelt that way and so the meaning is for church or chapel .That has solved that mystery i wondered where the name came from . We might not be related but its good to talk . Jean Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: Irishlass45_98 Surnames: JORDAN, JENNINGS Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7872/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My great great grandfather Michael Jordan had two daughters, Mary and Anne (my great grandmother). Mary Jordan of Derrylahan townland Turlough CP married John Jennings also of Derrylahan townland Turlough CP in 1855. At some point in time in the early 1860's, Michael Jordan gave some land to John Jennings. Since Michael was a tenant farmer, how was he able to transfer the land to John Jennings? Nora Hopkins FitzGerald Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dhkilleen Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7568.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Jean What interests me is why they chose to use the name chuchill. The Irish way of spelling killeen is cillin (accent on the last I amking it an ee sound). In Irish Cill means chapel or settlement...I wonder if the chapel morphed into church?? My grandparents and great uncles are buried in the Friary graveyard in Ballyhaunis (eastern side of town). I had a relative John Killeen (great uncle ) emigrate in the early 1900's to Cleveland ( I've been there with work)but don't know if he had family. What I do know is my father almost emigrated to the US because of his uncle John (who had a job lined up for him ) many years ago..if he had I would have been born in the uS! Anyway good to hear from you and as they say in Ireland Slan go foil! Best wishes David Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PatWicklow Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7807.4.1.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Meghan, The web link I gave you is to the Catholic parish maps in Mayo. If you click on each of the parishes I mentioned you'll see the LDS film number for them. You can order the microfilms through your nearest LDS Family History Centre -- well worth a look! Have you seen the Ireland Townland Database showing all the towns and townlands in Mayo? It's at http://www.seanruad.com and pick Mayo to search from the drop down menu. Darby did go in through Burlington. That confirms what I had assumed about them. They had settled originally in that area of Vermont and western New York State and were mostly farm labourers. Because of the expansion of the railroads in the US then in that area farm production increased and the farmers needed more labourers. Canadian border crossing records didn't start until the 1890s, before that it was an open border. None of them I found could read or write but the first generation all learned to read and write English. Did you find Darby in the 1850 US Federal Census in Vermont? The surnames are really murdered in that census because the census enumerators couldn't understand the Irish accents or what the surnames were. Some of them are really mystifying! I was over there most recently for the summer of 2005 and I went to all the towns along the Champlain Canal and Hudson River to see if there were any local records for the small sailing vessels that went into those places but there weren't any records I could find then. There were apparently small boats that had frequent sailings to Canada to take the runaway slaves from the South to Canada along the Underground Railroad up through Northern New York State and Vermont. And picked up Irish immigrants on the way back down to the US. You could post on the Burlington Message board to see if any records have been found for the Irish immigrants arriving there. New information and records seem to be found often now since so many people are researching their ancestry. Ships passenger records to Canada aren't complete and whatever survives is in the Canadian Archives on microfilm. I didn't go to Canada to research those but have kept my eye on what the Canadian Government has been putting online but no luck yet. There had been an old map from the mid Nineteenth Century that had been put online by the University of Texas Library in Austin showing the immigration route for Irish immigrants from Canada down into New York State and Vermont. It was online in 2005 but I think it's no longer online. Pat Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.