Hi Oceanstrands, The first paragraph of my post dealt with the Primary Valuation of Ireland aka Griffith's Valuation which as you stated lists civil parishes. The second part of the post dealt with the Catholic parish for the Roach/Conroy reference from Dr. Ryan's "Irish Records". I omitted Ryan's information about what years records are available for Castlemore Parish because several times I have found older records are available in parishes which are not listed in Ryan's book . Ryan's book lists parish information by religion., i.e. Church of Ireland, Presbyterian, Roman Catholic, Methodist and others. The information I stated regarding Castlemore Parish is listed under Ryan's Roman Catholic records. For Kilcolman he refers the reader to Castlemore Catholic Parish, County Roscommon. Since I have the Catholic Directory I added where Reed could contact the church since he stated he was interested Roman Catholic records. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) Ireland consists of: Four Provinces: Connacht(Connaught), Leinster, Munster and Ulster (counties listed at end of post) The Irish researcher will mainly deal with the following civil administrative divisions: 1. Province 2. County 3. Barony 4. Civil Parish (usually referred by researchers simply as parish although it will in some cases vary with Catholic parishes. 5. Poor Law Union 7. Registrar District 8. Electoral Division 9. Town/Townlands FOUR PROVINCES OF IRELAND: Province of Leinster Carlow Dublin Kildare Kilkenny Laois Longford Louth Meath Offaly Westmeath Wexford Wicklow Province of Munster Clare Cork Kerry Limerick Tipperary Waterford Province of Connacht Galway Leitrim Mayo Roscommon Sligo Province of Ulster Antrim Armagh Cavan Derry Donegal Down Fermanagh Monaghan Tyrone

Hello Ed, Since the message was posted on the County Mayo list it would seem logical that Mary Ellen Conroy would have been born/baptised in County Mayo and not in any of the other 32 counties or 64,000 towns and townlands in Ireland. There's a list of the names of all the towns and townlnads in Ireland on the Ireland Townland Database http://www.seanruad.com and pick any county of interest. If you look at County Mayo you'll see there are 3505 towns and townlands in County Mayo where she could have been born. Because people have the same given and surnames doesn't mean any connection to Mary Conroy or her specific family. It's just basically a same name search. Of course people can "adopt" people who are no connection to them whatsoever. In addition to identifying that not all records are included in the "IFHF-BRS" database it should also be mentioned there's at least a 30 per cent error rate in the data entry in the database. You also don't mention if your search was just for Roman Catholic parishes or included Church of Ireland (Anglican) parishes also. Look at the IFHF maps of counties covered to see not all counties are there: http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/map.php?&set=yes Then look at the individual counties which are included for the records sources used. For example, you quote Roscommon and Westmeath: Here are the records included in Roscommon, note many of the Roman Catholic parish records don't go back far enough to include a baptism for 1836: http://roscommon.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase Here's Westmeath: http://westmeath.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase Not all of County Cork is even included in the database let alone the Roman Catholic parish records, just "North Cork" is there. Here are the "North Cork" Roman Catholic parish records detail: http://corknortheast.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase Here are the Roman Catholic parish maps for All of County Cork, click on each area on the maps to identify the years covered in the records and where they can be accessed: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/corkrc.htm Kilkenny: http://kilkenny.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase Tipperary: North Tipp: http://tipperarynorth.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase South Tipp: http://tipperarysouth.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase Those records exclude the Diocese of Cashel and Emly which has only recently allowed access to the microfilms at the National Library of Ireland in Dublin, compare the names of the Roman Catholic parishes in County Tipperary with the parishes listed in the "IFHF-BRS", click on each parish on the maps to see the dates covered in the records: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/tipperaryrc.htm County Limerick: http://limerick.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase County Galway: East Galway: http://galwayeast.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase West Galway: http://galwaywest.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase County Dublin or Dublin City? North County Dublin, not Dublin City: http://dublinnorth.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase South County Dublin, not Dublin City: http://dublinsouth.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase County Kilkenny: http://kilkenny.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase County Kildare: http://kildare.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase County Armagh: http://armagh.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase County Tyrone is County Tyrone and County Fermanagh: http://tyronefermanagh.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=showdatabase Oceanstrands --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Ejljbl@aol.com <Ejljbl@aol.com> wrote: > From: Ejljbl@aol.com <Ejljbl@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] 1836 birth > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:49 AM > In a message dated 8/6/2008 12:55:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight > Time, > reedsqiliv@sbcglobal.net writes: > > Mary Ellen Conroy daughter of Michael and Ellen (Roach) > Conroy. She was born > about 21 Mar 1836. > > > Reed Livingston: > > A search of the IFHF at _http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/_ > (http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/) provides the following: > > Conroy is not listed but appears as Conry -- > Michael Born 1806 - 1822 -- only appears 10 times in > Roscommon & Westmeath. > > Ellen Roach/Roche born 1806 - 1822 appears 69 times, > primarily in Cork, > Kilkenny, Tipperary, & Limerick. > A few in Galway and 1 in Dublin. (Clare not indexed as > yet) > > Marriage for Michael Conry between 1832 & 1836 -- only > 8 Marriages; > Roscommon (2), Kildare (2), Westmeath, Tipperary, Galway in > 1833, & Cork. > > Marriage for Ellen Roach/ Roche Between 1832 & 1836 > --21 Marriages, in 3 > counties (Cork, Limerick & Kilkenny) > > I should note that "Roach" appears for Ellen as > born in 1808 in Kilkenny & > Marriage in Kilkenny in 1833. > > Mary Conroy / Conry born in 1836, only appears in 4 > counties; Armagh, Galway, > Tyrone & Roscommon. > > Given that you have limited information, My best guess > would be to search > for the Parishes in the IFHF for Roscommon or Galway & > Kilkenny. > > Hope this helps. > > Ed (Pat) Logan of Philly > > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and > fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > ) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Margaret, Griffiths Property Valuation of 1856/7 lists civil parishes not the Roman Catholic parishes. The civil parishes were the Church of Ireland (Anglican) parishes. The Church of Ireland (Anglican) was the "official" or "state" church in Ireland until 1871. Here are the civil parish maps of County Mayo, click on each civil parish to see the names of the towns and townlands in each, you'll see there are two Kilcolman civil parishes in County Mayo, numbers 33 and 34. http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/civilparish/index.cfm?fuseaction=GetMap&CityCounty=Mayo You can then use the Roman Catholic parish maps in County Mayo to identify what civil parishes are included in which Roman Catholic parishes: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/mayorc.htm Here are the civil parish maps in County Roscommon, you'll see Kilcolman civil parish is number 23 on the maps: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/civilparish/index.cfm?fuseaction=GetMap&CityCounty=Roscommon Here are the Roman Catholic parish maps for County Roscommon, click on Kilcolman RC parish and you'll see the parish records don't begin until 1851, too late for a church baptismal record for 1836. http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/roscommonrc.htm Since there are no surviving census records before 1901 and church parish records don't cover all years of the nineteenth century there is no complete records source to identify how common surnames were and where they existed. Griffiths Valuation was done in 1856-7 after the Famine when Mayo alone had lost over 30% of the population: http://www.wesleyjohnston.com/users/ireland/maps/historical/pop_change_1841_1851.gif The population in Mayo decreased from 388,887 to 274,499 during the Famine alone. Many people in Mayo moved to different locations within the county for food or housing. See: http://www.mayo-ireland.ie/Mayo/History/Famine.htm Also many people in Griffiths occupied land just for farming and didn't live there. You need to check the actual detailed Griffiths on the Irish Origins website to identify if there was even a dwelling on the property. Many people too subleased land to others and they're not listed in Griffiths. Oceanstrands --- On Wed, 8/6/08, conaught2 <conaught2@charter.net> wrote: > From: conaught2 <conaught2@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] 1836 birth > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com, IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com, reedsqiliv@sbcglobal.net > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 6:54 AM > Dear Reed, > > The Griffith's Valuation Index (County Mayo 1856/57) > lists John Conroy in > the townland of Ballintaffy, Kilcolman Parish and a > Michael Roach in the > townland of Drumneen South, Kilcolman Parish. This is the > only parish > where both surnames appear together. There aren't that > many Roaches in > County Mayo. I cannot say for certain if this is the > parish where your > family came from but it is a good starting point. I have > found many families > using this method. > > According to Dr. Ryan's Irish Records for Kilcolman > County Mayo you look at > Castlemore Parish, County Roscommon. (it must have been in > the area where > the borders were redrawn). According to the IIrish > Catholic Directory of > 1996: > Ballaghaderreen (Castlemore and Kilcolman) > Cathedral of The Annunciation and St. Nathy > The Presbytery, Ballaghaderreen > County Roscommon > Phone - 0907-60011 ( if this # doesn't work check with > the operator because > a few years ago County Mayo and some other areas had their > area codes or > part of the phone number changed. > > Good luck in your search. > > Beannachtai, > Margaret > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Carole Livingston" > <reedsqiliv@sbcglobal.net> > To: <IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:53 AM > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] 1836 birth > > > >I am trying to locate a birth record for my great > grandmother Mary Ellen > >Conroy daughter of Michael and Ellen (Roach) Conroy. > She was born about 21 > >Mar 1836. Can anyone tell me what parishes/ Catholic > churches to try? > > Thank you very much. > > Reed Livingston (nee SQUIER) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

Hi Katie, Here's a link to the Roman Catholic parish maps in County Mayo. Click on each parish on the maps to see the years covered in the records and where they can be accessed. You'll find many of the Roman Catholic parish records in County Mayo don't begin until well after 1840 sometimes the last half of the Nineteenth Century: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/mayorc.htm You're more than welcome to come here to Mayo to search at each parish in the county for any "hidden" records. We always love to have tourists visit our beautiful county. Oceanstrands --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Katie Crow <kcrowrn@charter.net> wrote: > From: Katie Crow <kcrowrn@charter.net> > Subject: RE: [IRL-MAYO] Anthony Gibbons & Honora Costello > To: oceanstrands@yahoo.com, irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 10:49 AM > Thank you so much! Yes they were RC and I will check with > my local LDS > center. So, if I understand you correctly, you do not > think there is any > way to go any further back in County Mayo? Would there be > any records > available there if I am ever able to make the jump across > the pond? > > Katie > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com > [mailto:irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Oceanstrands > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:36 PM > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Anthony Gibbons & Honora > Costello > > Hi Katie, > > Civil registration of births didn't start until 1864 > and there aren't any > census records surviving before 1901. Church parish > records for Castlebar > would be the source for Catherine and her siblings > baptismal entries if they > were all born in Castlebar. > > > I assume they were Roman Catholic? The Roman Catholic > parish records for > Castlebar are available on microfilm on order through LDS. > The parish > records don't go back far enough to include > Catherine's parents baptismal > records if they were also baptised in Castlebar. > > Here's the detail parish information including the > dates covered in the > records and the LDS film #: > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=s > howidrecords&CityCounty=Mayo&parish=Castlebar&churchid=1039 > > Oceanstrands > > --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Katie Crow <kcrowrn@charter.net> > wrote: > > > From: Katie Crow <kcrowrn@charter.net> > > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] Anthony Gibbons & Honora > Costello > > To: IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com > > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:37 AM > > If you felt the earth move yesterday it was not just > an > > aftershock of the > > California earthquake. I may be to blame as I finally > > discovered the names > > of my great great grandparents on my great > grandmothers > > brother’s death > > certificate. I have been searching for at least ten > years > > for a clue and, > > as with all things, it was there all along. Anthony > died > > before Honora > > (Nora) and her oldest three (my great grandmother > Catherine > > Gibbons was only > > 5 or 6 months old) immigrated to the United States > (Warren > > County, Ohio) > > from Castlebar, County Mayo. Catherine was born in or > > about 1844 and her > > brothers James and Patrick about two and four years > > earlier. > > > >> Any information on these families would be GREATLY > > appreciated! > > > >> Mary Kathleen “Katie” Crow > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.9 - Release Date: > 7/31/2008 12:00 > AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.9 - Release Date: > 7/31/2008 12:00 > AM

Hi John, The name of the RC parish isn't Tuam, it's Castlebar. The RC Diocese is Tuam, headquartered in County Galway. Oceanstands --- On Wed, 8/6/08, John McCarthy <john_dora@bigpond.com> wrote: > From: John McCarthy <john_dora@bigpond.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Anthony Gibbons & Honora Costello > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 6:46 PM > Hello Katie, > You and I seem to be in the same > boat, but I > may be one jump ahead of you as I have two of the films > under > discussion and they are available from any LDS centre. T.he > two I am > about to start perusing > > date from : > Baptisms 1838-1883--1905-1948 > > Marriages 1824-1982 > The LDS Film No is: 1279260 > The other film is: > Marriages 1824-1902 > > Baptisms 1838-1883. > The LDS Film No for this film is: 1279211 > Both of these films are of course RC. > > From memory I think the name of the RC Parish is: Tuam, > > Good Luck John McCarthy > > My Mayo interests : > Daniel Riley of Castlebar and his wife Anne nee Murray > C: 1800 > > On 07/08/2008, at 8:49 AM, Katie Crow wrote: > > > Thank you so much! Yes they were RC and I will check > with my local > > LDS > > center. So, if I understand you correctly, you do not > think there > > is any > > way to go any further back in County Mayo? Would > there be any records > > available there if I am ever able to make the jump > across the pond? > > > > Katie > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-mayo- > > bounces@rootsweb.com] > > On Behalf Of Oceanstrands > > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:36 PM > > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Anthony Gibbons & Honora > Costello > > > > Hi Katie, > > > > Civil registration of births didn't start until > 1864 and there > > aren't any > > census records surviving before 1901. Church parish > records for > > Castlebar > > would be the source for Catherine and her siblings > baptismal > > entries if they > > were all born in Castlebar. > > > > > > I assume they were Roman Catholic? The Roman Catholic > parish > > records for > > Castlebar are available on microfilm on order through > LDS. The parish > > records don't go back far enough to include > Catherine's parents > > baptismal > > records if they were also baptised in Castlebar. > > > > Here's the detail parish information including the > dates covered in > > the > > records and the LDS film #: > > > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm? > > > fuseaction=s > > > howidrecords&CityCounty=Mayo&parish=Castlebar&churchid=1039 > > > > Oceanstrands > > > > --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Katie Crow > <kcrowrn@charter.net> wrote: > > > >> From: Katie Crow <kcrowrn@charter.net> > >> Subject: [IRL-MAYO] Anthony Gibbons & Honora > Costello > >> To: IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com > >> Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:37 AM > >> If you felt the earth move yesterday it was not > just an > >> aftershock of the > >> California earthquake. I may be to blame as I > finally > >> discovered the names > >> of my great great grandparents on my great > grandmothers > >> brother’s death > >> certificate. I have been searching for at least > ten years > >> for a clue and, > >> as with all things, it was there all along. > Anthony died > >> before Honora > >> (Nora) and her oldest three (my great grandmother > Catherine > >> Gibbons was only > >> 5 or 6 months old) immigrated to the United States > (Warren > >> County, Ohio) > >> from Castlebar, County Mayo. Catherine was born > in or > >> about 1844 and her > >> brothers James and Patrick about two and four > years > >> earlier. > >> > >>> Any information on these families would be > GREATLY > >> appreciated! > >> > >>> Mary Kathleen “Katie” Crow > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without > > the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.9 - Release > Date: > > 7/31/2008 12:00 > > AM > > > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.9 - Release > Date: > > 7/31/2008 12:00 > > AM > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO- > > request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

...and the same to you. Let me know if you found anything and please offer any suggestions gained from experience. If I discover a magic source of records I will let you know. Katie -----Original Message----- From: irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of John McCarthy Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 1:46 AM To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Anthony Gibbons & Honora Costello Hello Katie, You and I seem to be in the same boat, but I may be one jump ahead of you as I have two of the films under discussion and they are available from any LDS centre. T.he two I am about to start perusing date from : Baptisms 1838-1883--1905-1948 Marriages 1824-1982 The LDS Film No is: 1279260 The other film is: Marriages 1824-1902 Baptisms 1838-1883. The LDS Film No for this film is: 1279211 Both of these films are of course RC. From memory I think the name of the RC Parish is: Tuam, Good Luck John McCarthy My Mayo interests : Daniel Riley of Castlebar and his wife Anne nee Murray C: 1800 On 07/08/2008, at 8:49 AM, Katie Crow wrote: > Thank you so much! Yes they were RC and I will check with my local > LDS > center. So, if I understand you correctly, you do not think there > is any > way to go any further back in County Mayo? Would there be any records > available there if I am ever able to make the jump across the pond? > > Katie > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-mayo- > bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Oceanstrands > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:36 PM > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Anthony Gibbons & Honora Costello > > Hi Katie, > > Civil registration of births didn't start until 1864 and there > aren't any > census records surviving before 1901. Church parish records for > Castlebar > would be the source for Catherine and her siblings baptismal > entries if they > were all born in Castlebar. > > > I assume they were Roman Catholic? The Roman Catholic parish > records for > Castlebar are available on microfilm on order through LDS. The parish > records don't go back far enough to include Catherine's parents > baptismal > records if they were also baptised in Castlebar. > > Here's the detail parish information including the dates covered in > the > records and the LDS film #: > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm? > fuseaction=s > howidrecords&CityCounty=Mayo&parish=Castlebar&churchid=1039 > > Oceanstrands > > --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Katie Crow <kcrowrn@charter.net> wrote: > >> From: Katie Crow <kcrowrn@charter.net> >> Subject: [IRL-MAYO] Anthony Gibbons & Honora Costello >> To: IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:37 AM >> If you felt the earth move yesterday it was not just an >> aftershock of the >> California earthquake. I may be to blame as I finally >> discovered the names >> of my great great grandparents on my great grandmothers >> brother’s death >> certificate. I have been searching for at least ten years >> for a clue and, >> as with all things, it was there all along. Anthony died >> before Honora >> (Nora) and her oldest three (my great grandmother Catherine >> Gibbons was only >> 5 or 6 months old) immigrated to the United States (Warren >> County, Ohio) >> from Castlebar, County Mayo. Catherine was born in or >> about 1844 and her >> brothers James and Patrick about two and four years >> earlier. >> >>> Any information on these families would be GREATLY >> appreciated! >> >>> Mary Kathleen “Katie” Crow > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.9 - Release Date: > 7/31/2008 12:00 > AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.9 - Release Date: > 7/31/2008 12:00 > AM > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.9 - Release Date: 7/31/2008 12:00 AM Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.9 - Release Date: 7/31/2008 12:00 AM

If you find Catherine's baptismal record, it will have her parents' names, which will take you back another generation. Oceanstrands was saying you probably won't find her parents' baptisms, but you should be able to get their names if you can find her baptism (or that of any of her siblings). Diane

In a message dated 8/6/2008 12:55:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, reedsqiliv@sbcglobal.net writes: Mary Ellen Conroy daughter of Michael and Ellen (Roach) Conroy. She was born about 21 Mar 1836. Reed Livingston: A search of the IFHF at _http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/_ (http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/) provides the following: Conroy is not listed but appears as Conry -- Michael Born 1806 - 1822 -- only appears 10 times in Roscommon & Westmeath. Ellen Roach/Roche born 1806 - 1822 appears 69 times, primarily in Cork, Kilkenny, Tipperary, & Limerick. A few in Galway and 1 in Dublin. (Clare not indexed as yet) Marriage for Michael Conry between 1832 & 1836 -- only 8 Marriages; Roscommon (2), Kildare (2), Westmeath, Tipperary, Galway in 1833, & Cork. Marriage for Ellen Roach/ Roche Between 1832 & 1836 --21 Marriages, in 3 counties (Cork, Limerick & Kilkenny) I should note that "Roach" appears for Ellen as born in 1808 in Kilkenny & Marriage in Kilkenny in 1833. Mary Conroy / Conry born in 1836, only appears in 4 counties; Armagh, Galway, Tyrone & Roscommon. Given that you have limited information, My best guess would be to search for the Parishes in the IFHF for Roscommon or Galway & Kilkenny. Hope this helps. Ed (Pat) Logan of Philly **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

Thank you so much! Yes they were RC and I will check with my local LDS center. So, if I understand you correctly, you do not think there is any way to go any further back in County Mayo? Would there be any records available there if I am ever able to make the jump across the pond? Katie -----Original Message----- From: irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Oceanstrands Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:36 PM To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Anthony Gibbons & Honora Costello Hi Katie, Civil registration of births didn't start until 1864 and there aren't any census records surviving before 1901. Church parish records for Castlebar would be the source for Catherine and her siblings baptismal entries if they were all born in Castlebar. I assume they were Roman Catholic? The Roman Catholic parish records for Castlebar are available on microfilm on order through LDS. The parish records don't go back far enough to include Catherine's parents baptismal records if they were also baptised in Castlebar. Here's the detail parish information including the dates covered in the records and the LDS film #: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=s howidrecords&CityCounty=Mayo&parish=Castlebar&churchid=1039 Oceanstrands --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Katie Crow <kcrowrn@charter.net> wrote: > From: Katie Crow <kcrowrn@charter.net> > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] Anthony Gibbons & Honora Costello > To: IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:37 AM > If you felt the earth move yesterday it was not just an > aftershock of the > California earthquake. I may be to blame as I finally > discovered the names > of my great great grandparents on my great grandmothers > brother’s death > certificate. I have been searching for at least ten years > for a clue and, > as with all things, it was there all along. Anthony died > before Honora > (Nora) and her oldest three (my great grandmother Catherine > Gibbons was only > 5 or 6 months old) immigrated to the United States (Warren > County, Ohio) > from Castlebar, County Mayo. Catherine was born in or > about 1844 and her > brothers James and Patrick about two and four years > earlier. > >> Any information on these families would be GREATLY > appreciated! > >> Mary Kathleen “Katie” Crow ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.9 - Release Date: 7/31/2008 12:00 AM No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.9 - Release Date: 7/31/2008 12:00 AM

Diane, She already has the parents names from US records -- Anthony Gibbons and Honora Costello. She would need those from the US records to confirm the Catherine Gibbons baptismal record she finds is for "her" Catherine and not one of the other many Catherine Gibbons born in Mayo then. She has Catherine's birth location from US records also. I said there definitely won't be baptismal records in Castlebar Roman Catholic parish records for Anthony Gibbons and Honora Costello -- if they were born in Castlebar -- because the church parish baptismal records don't start until 1838. Anthony Gibbons and Honora Costello would have been baptised in at least 1822 if not earlier. Oceanstrands --- On Wed, 8/6/08, DLCulhane@cs.com <DLCulhane@cs.com> wrote: Oceanstrands was saying you probably won't find her parents' baptisms, but you should be able to get their names if you can find her baptism (or that of any of her siblings). > > Diane

Hi Katie, Civil registration of births didn't start until 1864 and there aren't any census records surviving before 1901. Church parish records for Castlebar would be the source for Catherine and her siblings baptismal entries if they were all born in Castlebar. I assume they were Roman Catholic? The Roman Catholic parish records for Castlebar are available on microfilm on order through LDS. The parish records don't go back far enough to include Catherine's parents baptismal records if they were also baptised in Castlebar. Here's the detail parish information including the dates covered in the records and the LDS film #: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm?fuseaction=showidrecords&CityCounty=Mayo&parish=Castlebar&churchid=1039 Oceanstrands --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Katie Crow <kcrowrn@charter.net> wrote: > From: Katie Crow <kcrowrn@charter.net> > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] Anthony Gibbons & Honora Costello > To: IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:37 AM > If you felt the earth move yesterday it was not just an > aftershock of the > California earthquake. I may be to blame as I finally > discovered the names > of my great great grandparents on my great grandmothers > brother’s death > certificate. I have been searching for at least ten years > for a clue and, > as with all things, it was there all along. Anthony died > before Honora > (Nora) and her oldest three (my great grandmother Catherine > Gibbons was only > 5 or 6 months old) immigrated to the United States (Warren > County, Ohio) > from Castlebar, County Mayo. Catherine was born in or > about 1844 and her > brothers James and Patrick about two and four years > earlier. > >> Any information on these families would be GREATLY > appreciated! > >> Mary Kathleen “Katie” Crow

Hi Carole, Where was she married? Oceanstrands --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Carole Livingston <reedsqiliv@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > From: Carole Livingston <reedsqiliv@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] 1836 birth > To: IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 4:53 AM > I am trying to locate a birth record for my great > grandmother Mary Ellen Conroy daughter of Michael and Ellen > (Roach) Conroy. She was born about 21 Mar 1836. Can anyone > tell me what parishes/ Catholic churches to try? > Thank you very much. > Reed Livingston (nee SQUIER) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message

If you don't know where she was married or died, your best bet might be to check the Griffith's index on failteromhat.com and see in which parishes both surnames occurred, then get film of the church records. Diane

Dear Reed, The Griffith's Valuation Index (County Mayo 1856/57) lists John Conroy in the townland of Ballintaffy, Kilcolman Parish and a Michael Roach in the townland of Drumneen South, Kilcolman Parish. This is the only parish where both surnames appear together. There aren't that many Roaches in County Mayo. I cannot say for certain if this is the parish where your family came from but it is a good starting point. I have found many families using this method. According to Dr. Ryan's Irish Records for Kilcolman County Mayo you look at Castlemore Parish, County Roscommon. (it must have been in the area where the borders were redrawn). According to the IIrish Catholic Directory of 1996: Ballaghaderreen (Castlemore and Kilcolman) Cathedral of The Annunciation and St. Nathy The Presbytery, Ballaghaderreen County Roscommon Phone - 0907-60011 ( if this # doesn't work check with the operator because a few years ago County Mayo and some other areas had their area codes or part of the phone number changed. Good luck in your search. Beannachtai, Margaret ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carole Livingston" <reedsqiliv@sbcglobal.net> To: <IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:53 AM Subject: [IRL-MAYO] 1836 birth >I am trying to locate a birth record for my great grandmother Mary Ellen >Conroy daughter of Michael and Ellen (Roach) Conroy. She was born about 21 >Mar 1836. Can anyone tell me what parishes/ Catholic churches to try? > Thank you very much. > Reed Livingston (nee SQUIER)

I am trying to locate a birth record for my great grandmother Mary Ellen Conroy daughter of Michael and Ellen (Roach) Conroy. She was born about 21 Mar 1836. Can anyone tell me what parishes/ Catholic churches to try? Thank you very much. Reed Livingston (nee SQUIER)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: dhkilleen Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7568.1.1.1.3.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Oceanstrands Yes that is the family. Tom was alive when I used to stay there and in fact he came back to England where he passed away - I was with him at the time. He was returned to Ireland and is buried in Ballyhaunis. Thanks for helping. Cheers David Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: meghan248 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7807.4.1.1.2.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thanks Pat, Great map, and from 1844! Great point about boats running slaves up to Canada and immigrants down... it makes so much sense and yet I had never thought about it! That must have been a fascinating trip; I haven't been up there in a long time but I know it's beautiful country. Were you able to find many records? Meghan Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: kdulind Surnames: Flaherty Coyle Meehan Brennan Shenandoah, PA 1870 to 1950 Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7874/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Edward Flaherty, Jr b 1845 married Mary Coyle b 1850 Listed both from Dooyork.1868- Married in RC Chapel in Belmullet Ed.Sr, and Thomas Coyle were there also, the fathers. Witnesses Hugh McDonagh and Honor Mangan , the Marriage was registered in Binghamstown Emigrated abt 1872 with 2 children Michael & Thomas. Meanwhile.... A Partick Flaherty was in BLYTHE TWP 1860 & 1870 Had aparentely Emigrated to Canada First. Patrick Flaherty b 1835 Mary b 1840 Co Mayo-Catherine 12, Henry 10, Cecila 8, Patrick 5, (2nd)John 7 mos born PA In 1880 Patrick & Family and My GGP Ed & Mary are all in Shenandoah, Schuylkill toghether. Makes me beleive they are some how related. Lots of Flaherty's in Schuylkill Co from the 1860's. Any one see a connection to your gang, Regards, Kathy Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PatWicklow Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7807.4.1.1.2.1.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Meghan, I found the immigration route map from Canada down through Lake Champlain from the University of Texas website, it's still there! Here's the link and you can click on the map to make it bigger: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/historical/champlain_1844.jpg I think the mapquest map is probably better to really see the small towns all along Lake Champlain and down the Hudson River for Vermont and western New York State: http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Burlington&state=VT I took the ferry from Port Kent over to Burlington across Lake Champlain and down the Vermont side to all the small towns and villages. I had gone north along the New York side and stopped at the towns and villages along the route to research local records there. The topography of the area is very much like Mayo and many of the original emigrants were farmers all along the areas there. I can't imagine how they survived the weather though. The climate here is so temperate compared to the Vermont and upstate New York winters with frigid temperatures and immense amounts of snow that stays there often until spring according to the locals and late spring at that! Pat Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: oceanstrands Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7873.2/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Constance, There aren't any records in Ireland about who emigrated, where they went or what happened to them after emigration. Ships passenger records were handed in at the ports of arrival. Irish civil registration/vital records didn't begin until 1864. Protestant civil registration marriage records began in 1845. Church parish records for your ancestors birthplaces in Ireland or Mayo which survive would be the possible source for baptismal records for them. You've posted on the County Mayo, Ireland message board. Were John Glenn/Glynn or Mary Reilly and her sister born in County Mayo? Do you have their birth locations in Mayo and parents names? Religious denomination? There's a list of the names of all the towns and townlands in Mayo at http://www.seanruad.com and pick Mayo as your search county. There aren't any surviving census records in Ireland before 1901. Oceanstrands Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.