This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: maryellenchambers Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7807.4.1.1.2.1.2.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I feel I must respond in defense of the many parishes both RC and C of I who have sacramental records. There is a shortage of priests in the Republic. They have numerous duties for their parish. Genealogy is not an A priority. Consider the number of emigrants of the 18th & 19th century as 2 M. Now their descendants number in the multi millions. They either return to Ireland or correspond trying to seek their ancestors records; sacramental and civil. Peak tourist season is May to Sept. but now even off season, the tourists are huge. The parish records are fragile, especially pre 1864, that do exist. The majority have been microfilmed for the local Heritage Center and by LDS. The idea was to assist this influx of people. However, in all the years we have done research in Ireland, we have found the local priest and/or his representitive quite courteous. We have ALWAYS called or written in advance for an appointment. In some incidences, we were told to drop the names/data off at the recotry. It would be mailed to us. Other times, an appointment was made and were assisted. We have never been told we HAD to leave a donation. However, we would never think of not insisting we leave one. Rarely, did we get our info immediatly. It was usually mailed to us or a note stating there was nothing in the records. In Mayo, the Civil Records 1864 onward are at the Registry Office on North Antrim, Castlebar. They do not accept credit cards. Come prepared with your data written. Give it to the clerk and be prepared to wait patiently. They are usually very busy. The Castlebar County Library has a wonderful genealogy section with people knowledgeable and able to assist at no cost but for a xerox copy. They do not have civil or sacramental records. I have never been aware that there was a place in each small town in Ireland where sacramental and civil records are available. Perhaps, "Ocean" could enlighten me and others if there is. For those traveling to Ireland for research, please, for all of us who have come before you and will be following after be courteous, polite and come prepared with the data you have and exactly what you are seeking. Don't leave the impression of the "Ugly" entitled Tourist. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hello List, I have just joined you all and I`m hoping that there is someone here that can help me find my GG/Grandparents and two of their children. I don`t know a lot about them but here is the little I have. Daniel Riley/Reily/Reilly and his wife Ann had at least two children that I`m aware of. Mary Ann who was born around 1833 in Castlebar ,and her brother John born about 1850 in Castlebar. Mary Ann emigrated to Australia in late 1849 arriving in Sydney in Jan` 1850 on the ship "Panama". Her brother John also emigrated arriving in Sydney in Mar` 1854. He became quite famous here as "The Man From Snowy River". If anybody has any information on this family or can suggest how I can find more about them all I would be very pleased to hear from you, Thank you for taking the time to read this John McCarthy in Australia

Margaret, My Kelly's are from Galway, Ballinasloe Lorraine Kelly Conroy -----Original Message----- From: irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of conaught2 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:10 AM To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com; gc-gateway@rootsweb.com; IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] North Mayo County History Centre - no responses???? Hi Jim, Where are your Kellys from? I have some Kellys from Kilconduff Parish. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 8/8/2008 9:02 AM

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PatWicklow Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7876.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Clare, Some more information from his records in England would help: Date of birth Patents names Birthplace in Mayo, see the Sean Ruad database http://www.seanruad.com and pick Mayo to search for the town and townland names. If born before civil registration of births started in 1864 religious denomination? Pat Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: PatWicklow Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7807.4.1.1.2.1.2.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi Meghan, The churches over there wouldn't let me look at the records so no luck with that. None of them were even microfilmed anywhere! Their records were all big secrets. Said I had to send donations and written requests and they'd see what they could do. Some of the small towns had town bmds going back to the 1830s and others didn't. Many of the local Town Clerks weren't there full time. Had more luck with local history information in the small public libraries and local historians. One had copied all the tombstones in the local graveyard including birthplaces in Mayo (and other counties in Ireland too). Over 150 pages all hand written! Tucked away in the local library. Have corresponded with several other local historians too. Also had some luck with naturalisation records and wills. Also the local newspapers on microfilm for obits mostly. Scenery was beautiful and weather perfect. Pat Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Margaret, My Kelly's came originally from the Belderrig- Ballycastle area of North Mayo where I still have cousins. My immediate Kelly's came from Moyne, Killala, outside of Ballina. My gf is buried in Moyne Abbey along with about another half dozen relatives. Jim -----Original Message----- From: irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of conaught2 Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 10:10 AM To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com; gc-gateway@rootsweb.com; IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] North Mayo County History Centre - no responses???? Hi Jim, Where are your Kellys from? I have some Kellys from Kilconduff Parish. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.6.0/1601 - Release Date: 8/8/2008 9:02 AM

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: clareharvey800 Surnames: doyle Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7876/mb.ashx Message Board Post: can anyone help me please find my g grandfather timothy doyle, born in mayo ireland, i have found some informationa bout him after he moved to england but nothing about him in ireland.. thanks to anyone that replies.. clare Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

I am very surprised to hear this. I have dealt with North Mayo many times with great results. North Mayo is not a scam, try contacting them again at normayo@iol.ie to see if you can resolve the problem. Jim Kelly -----Original Message----- From: irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 11:57 PM To: IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [IRL-MAYO] North Mayo County History Centre - no responses???? This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: abqcat Surnames: Lavin Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7875/mb. ashx Message Board Post: In June 2007, I sent a check for $65 and a request for some research to the North Mayo Family History Centre. My check was cashed in early July 2007 but I never received anything from them. I emailed the Centre in February 2008 and again have heard nothing. Is this place just a scam? Or should I keep trying to get a response from them? Has anyone used them successfully? Deb Albuquerque, NM Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1597 - Release Date: 8/7/2008 5:54 AM

G'day John ! I suppose it is possible that Mary Ann emigrated (on her own ?) at the age of 16 ?? - but did her brother John actually emigrate at the age of 3 or 4 ?? I know that "The Man From Snowy River" was a bit of a 'Superman' but this does seem rather exceptional ? - or did the parents go as well at this time ? Best Wishes ! Roger. --------------------- On 8 Aug 2008, at 06:46, John McCarthy wrote: > Hello List, > I have just joined you all and I`m hoping that there > is someone here that can help me find my GG/Grandparents and two of > their children. > I don`t know a lot about them but here is the little I have. > Daniel Riley/Reily/Reilly and his wife Ann had at least two children > that I`m aware of. Mary Ann who was born around 1833 in > Castlebar ,and her brother John born about 1850 in Castlebar. Mary > Ann emigrated to Australia in late 1849 arriving in Sydney in Jan` > 1850 on the ship "Panama". Her brother John also emigrated arriving > in Sydney in Mar` 1854. He became quite famous here as "The Man From > Snowy River". > If anybody has any information on this family or can suggest how I > can find more about them all I would be very pleased to hear from you, > > Thank you for taking the time to read this John > McCarthy in Australia >

Castlebar RC parish records have been filmed by the LDS, are on films 1279260 and 61. They're your best bet for that period. Diane

Hi Jim, Where are your Kellys from? I have some Kellys from Kilconduff Parish. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: abqcat Surnames: Lavin Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7875/mb.ashx Message Board Post: In June 2007, I sent a check for $65 and a request for some research to the North Mayo Family History Centre. My check was cashed in early July 2007 but I never received anything from them. I emailed the Centre in February 2008 and again have heard nothing. Is this place just a scam? Or should I keep trying to get a response from them? Has anyone used them successfully? Deb Albuquerque, NM Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Oceanstrands Do you have any idea where Catholics in the Castlebar area would have been baptized and married before 1838? My family is from the Turlough Parish (Parke/Crumlin) and I can't figure out where they would have been baptized/married before 1847 (when Turlough church records began). Thanks. Nora In a message dated 8/7/2008 9:17:43 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, _oceanstrands@yahoo.com_ (mailto:oceanstrands@yahoo.com) writes: Hi Katie, Here's a link to the Roman Catholic parish maps in County Mayo. Click on each parish on the maps to see the years covered in the records and where they can be accessed. You'll find many of the Roman Catholic parish records in County Mayo don't begin until well after 1840 sometimes the last half of the Nineteenth Century: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/mayorc.htm You're more than welcome to come here to Mayo to search at each parish in the county for any "hidden" records. We always love to have tourists visit our beautiful county. Oceanstrands **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )

Hello Katie, You and I seem to be in the same boat, but I may be one jump ahead of you as I have two of the films under discussion and they are available from any LDS centre. T.he two I am about to start perusing date from : Baptisms 1838-1883--1905-1948 Marriages 1824-1982 The LDS Film No is: 1279260 The other film is: Marriages 1824-1902 Baptisms 1838-1883. The LDS Film No for this film is: 1279211 Both of these films are of course RC. From memory I think the name of the RC Parish is: Tuam, Good Luck John McCarthy My Mayo interests : Daniel Riley of Castlebar and his wife Anne nee Murray C: 1800 On 07/08/2008, at 8:49 AM, Katie Crow wrote: > Thank you so much! Yes they were RC and I will check with my local > LDS > center. So, if I understand you correctly, you do not think there > is any > way to go any further back in County Mayo? Would there be any records > available there if I am ever able to make the jump across the pond? > > Katie > > -----Original Message----- > From: irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-mayo- > bounces@rootsweb.com] > On Behalf Of Oceanstrands > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:36 PM > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Anthony Gibbons & Honora Costello > > Hi Katie, > > Civil registration of births didn't start until 1864 and there > aren't any > census records surviving before 1901. Church parish records for > Castlebar > would be the source for Catherine and her siblings baptismal > entries if they > were all born in Castlebar. > > > I assume they were Roman Catholic? The Roman Catholic parish > records for > Castlebar are available on microfilm on order through LDS. The parish > records don't go back far enough to include Catherine's parents > baptismal > records if they were also baptised in Castlebar. > > Here's the detail parish information including the dates covered in > the > records and the LDS film #: > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/fuses/rcparishmaps/index.cfm? > fuseaction=s > howidrecords&CityCounty=Mayo&parish=Castlebar&churchid=1039 > > Oceanstrands > > --- On Thu, 7/31/08, Katie Crow <kcrowrn@charter.net> wrote: > >> From: Katie Crow <kcrowrn@charter.net> >> Subject: [IRL-MAYO] Anthony Gibbons & Honora Costello >> To: IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com >> Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 3:37 AM >> If you felt the earth move yesterday it was not just an >> aftershock of the >> California earthquake. I may be to blame as I finally >> discovered the names >> of my great great grandparents on my great grandmothers >> brother’s death >> certificate. I have been searching for at least ten years >> for a clue and, >> as with all things, it was there all along. Anthony died >> before Honora >> (Nora) and her oldest three (my great grandmother Catherine >> Gibbons was only >> 5 or 6 months old) immigrated to the United States (Warren >> County, Ohio) >> from Castlebar, County Mayo. Catherine was born in or >> about 1844 and her >> brothers James and Patrick about two and four years >> earlier. >> >>> Any information on these families would be GREATLY >> appreciated! >> >>> Mary Kathleen “Katie” Crow > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.9 - Release Date: > 7/31/2008 12:00 > AM > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.5.9 - Release Date: > 7/31/2008 12:00 > AM > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO- > request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

--- On Thu, 8/7/08, Carole Livingston <reedsqiliv@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > From: Carole Livingston <reedsqiliv@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Thank you all > To: ejljbl@aol.com, oceanstrands@yahoo.com, conaught2@charter.net, DLCulhane@cs.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 5:27 AM > I want to thank you for all the great information. I have > always known that it would be difficult, if not impossible, > to find my Irish ancestors since I didn't know even the > county for sure. > Reed Livingston (nee SQUIER) Hello Carole/Reed, That's very unfortunate you posted on the County Mayo list looking for the names of churches/parishes to try for a birth record for your ancestor when you didn't even know a county of birth let alone what town or townland she was born in. You were on a fishing expedition. Several people spent a considerable amount of time and effort to assist you in that fishing expedition which obviously they didn't have to do. It could be regarded as a waste of time. You apparently haven't even bothered to research your ancestor's civil and church records where she lived after emigration and her children's to find out where she was born in Ireland. There was a complaint on this list in the last number of days from a poster complaining the church he contacted never responded to his request to search their records for his ancestors. Requests such as yours with no credible basis for churches or records to try here in County Mayo or elsewhere in Ireland is the type of request which adds to lack of responsiveness from this side of "the pond" from churches and other sources. And very unfortunately negatively affects those who have actually "done their homework" in records abroad for their emigrant ancestors and who do have credible information regarding their ancestors birthplaces here. They are the ones who are negatively affected by your type of approach. Oceanstrands

To Ed Logan, Reed Livingston, Since Roman Catholic church parish records in County Mayo don't include all years of the 1800s "looking for a marriage" in County Mayo for Mary Conroy's parents is impossible without a marriage location unless any random marriage of two people with those names in limited surviving Roman Catholic parish records will suffice. Since Roman Catholic church parish marriage records for "other counties" aren't complete or all online either, the same principle applies -- without knowing the marriage location the result will be just random marriages of two people with those names. That holds true also for a "birth" record for Mary Conroy 1836 with an unknown birth location in the 32 counties on this island. That includes all surname variations. Regarding the error rate in the online "IFHF-BRS" records, that information was contained in an audit of their records. It has also been mentioned by many who already had "original" church parish records and compared them to what appeared in the online "IFHF-BRS" records for their same ancestors. Those messages have appeared on many of the Ireland genealogy lists. But if you're happy accepting that error rate for information about your own ancestors, then of course it's met your needs regardless of the errors. Oceanstrands --- On Thu, 8/7/08, Ejljbl@aol.com <Ejljbl@aol.com> wrote: > From: Ejljbl@aol.com <Ejljbl@aol.com> > Subject: RE: Reply Re: [IRL-MAYO] 1836 birth > To: reedsqiliv@sbcglobal.net, oceanstrands@yahoo.com, irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 3:44 AM > To Reed Livingston & Oceanstrands: > > I have the highest respect for "Oceanstrands" and > the information that He / > She provides to the Group as a whole. I certainly > appreciate the effort and > information in all of your posts. And I agree with > everything in his recent > post in response to my posting below. > > > "seem logical that Mary Ellen Conroy would have been > born/baptised in County > Mayo" -- There were no Mary / Ellen Conroy / > Conry's born in Mayo in 1836. > However, upon further review there were 2 Mary Conry's > born in Mayo in 1834 > & 1838 and an Ellen Conry born in Mayo in 1835. So > they certainly could have > been in Mayo in 1836. I only used the "All > Ireland" Data to come up with > some ideas for Reed, since He had very limited > information. If He chooses, He > can look for the Parishes in Co. Mayo, or other Parishes > in other Counties > for a Marriage for Ellen & Michael. > > I guess my real reason for posting, was to point out that > Conroy could be > Conry, and Roach could be Rouche / Rouch/ Roach. > > "it should also be mentioned there's at least a 30 > per cent error rate in > the data entry in the database." -- > I, personally, don't know where this percentage came > from, but on the > positive side, that would indicate 70% accuracy. When an > individual has no / > limited knowledge of his / her Ancestors, the IFHF can be > a wonderful "Tool" to > assist in locating Family members. But not to be used > alone, nor as gospel. > > As All of us know, accurate records for Ireland before > 1864 are hard to come > by. The LDS provides a great source of information, if > you can get to one > of there centers. I am one of the few, who can't ! > The Heritage Centers > provide another source that is useful and I believe that > the IFHF data is taken > from the Heritage Centers. So, the IFHF is a summary of > information for 70% > of Ireland. (One Site instead of 32). > > Reed, If I gave you wrong information or misinformation, I > apologize. > > And I again Thank Oceanstrands for his input. > > Ed (Pat) Logan of Philly > ______________________________________________________________________________ > __ > --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Ejljbl@aol.com wrote: > > > From: Ejljbl@aol.com > > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] 1836 birth > To: > irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:49 AM > > In a message dated 8/6/2008 12:55:42 P.M. Eastern > Daylight Time, > > reedsqiliv@sbcglobal.net writes: > > Mary Ellen Conroy daughter of Michael and Ellen > (Roach) Conroy. She was > born about 21 Mar 1836. > > Reed Livingston: > > A search of the IFHF at > (http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/) provides the > following: > > > > Conroy is not listed but appears as Conry -- > > Michael Born 1806 - 1822 -- only appears 10 times in > Roscommon & Westmeath. > > > > Ellen Roach/Roche born 1806 - 1822 appears 69 > times,primarily in Cork, > > Kilkenny, Tipperary, & Limerick. > > A few in Galway and 1 in Dublin. (Clare not indexed > as yet) > > > > Marriage for Michael Conry between 1832 & 1836 -- > only 8 Marriages; > > Roscommon (2), Kildare (2), Westmeath, Tipperary, > Galway in 1833, & Cork. > > > > Marriage for Ellen Roach/ Roche Between 1832 & > 1836 --21 Marriages, in 3 > > counties (Cork, Limerick & Kilkenny) > > > > I should note that "Roach" appears for Ellen > as born in 1808 in Kilkenny > & Marriage in Kilkenny in 1833. > > > > Mary Conroy / Conry born in 1836, only appears in 4 > counties; Armagh, > Galway, Tyrone & Roscommon. > > > > Given that you have limited information, My best > guess would be to search > > > for the Parishes in the IFHF for Roscommon or Galway > & Kilkenny. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > Ed (Pat) Logan of Philly > > > In a message dated 8/7/2008 9:06:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight > Time, > oceanstrands@yahoo.com writes: > > Hello Ed, > > Since the message was posted on the County Mayo list it > would seem logical > that Mary Ellen Conroy would have been born/baptised in > County Mayo and not in > any of the other 32 counties or 64,000 towns and townlands > in Ireland. > There's a list of the names of all the towns and > townlnads in Ireland on the > Ireland Townland Database http://www.seanruad.com and pick > any county of interest. > > If you look at County Mayo you'll see there are 3505 > towns and townlands in > County Mayo where she could have been born. > > Because people have the same given and surnames doesn't > mean any connection > to Mary Conroy or her specific family. It's just > basically a same name > search. Of course people can "adopt" people who > are no connection to them > whatsoever. > > In addition to identifying that not all records are > included in the > "IFHF-BRS" database it should also be mentioned > there's at least a 30 per cent error > rate in the data entry in the database. You also don't > mention if your search > was just for Roman Catholic parishes or included Church of > Ireland > (Anglican) parishes also. > > Look at the IFHF maps of counties covered to see not all > counties are there: > http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/map.php?&set=yes > > Then look at the individual counties which are included > for the records > sources used. For example, you quote Roscommon and > Westmeath: > Here are the records included in Roscommon, note many of > the Roman Catholic > parish records don't go back far enough to include a > baptism for 1836: > http://roscommon.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMen > u=showdatabase > > Here's Westmeath: > http://westmeath.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMen > u=showdatabase > > Not all of County Cork is even included in the database > let alone the Roman > Catholic parish records, just "North Cork" is > there. Here are the "North > Cork" Roman Catholic parish records detail: > http://corknortheast.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selecte > dMenu=showdatabase > > Here are the Roman Catholic parish maps for All of County > Cork, click on > each area on the maps to identify the years covered in the > records and where > they can be accessed: > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/corkrc.htm > > Kilkenny: > http://kilkenny.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu > =showdatabase > > Tipperary: > North Tipp: > http://tipperarynorth.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&select > edMenu=showdatabase > > South Tipp: > http://tipperarysouth.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&select > edMenu=showdatabase > > Those records exclude the Diocese of Cashel and Emly which > has only recently > allowed access to the microfilms at the National Library > of Ireland in > Dublin, compare the names of the Roman Catholic parishes > in County Tipperary with > the parishes listed in the "IFHF-BRS", click on > each parish on the maps to > see the dates covered in the records: > > http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/tipperaryrc.htm > > County Limerick: > http://limerick.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu > =showdatabase > > County Galway: > East Galway: > http://galwayeast.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMe > nu=showdatabase > > West Galway: > http://galwaywest.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMe > nu=showdatabase > > County Dublin or Dublin City? > North County Dublin, not Dublin City: > http://dublinnorth.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedM > enu=showdatabase > > South County Dublin, not Dublin City: > http://dublinsouth.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedM > enu=showdatabase > > County Kilkenny: > http://kilkenny.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu > =showdatabase > > County Kildare: > http://kildare.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu= > showdatabase > > County Armagh: > http://armagh.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu=s > howdatabase > > County Tyrone is County Tyrone and County Fermanagh: > http://tyronefermanagh.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selec > tedMenu=showdatabase > > Oceanstrands > > > > > > > > **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and > fits in your budget? > Read reviews on AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > )

To Reed Livingston & Oceanstrands: I have the highest respect for "Oceanstrands" and the information that He / She provides to the Group as a whole. I certainly appreciate the effort and information in all of your posts. And I agree with everything in his recent post in response to my posting below. "seem logical that Mary Ellen Conroy would have been born/baptised in County Mayo" -- There were no Mary / Ellen Conroy / Conry's born in Mayo in 1836. However, upon further review there were 2 Mary Conry's born in Mayo in 1834 & 1838 and an Ellen Conry born in Mayo in 1835. So they certainly could have been in Mayo in 1836. I only used the "All Ireland" Data to come up with some ideas for Reed, since He had very limited information. If He chooses, He can look for the Parishes in Co. Mayo, or other Parishes in other Counties for a Marriage for Ellen & Michael. I guess my real reason for posting, was to point out that Conroy could be Conry, and Roach could be Rouche / Rouch/ Roach. "it should also be mentioned there's at least a 30 per cent error rate in the data entry in the database." -- I, personally, don't know where this percentage came from, but on the positive side, that would indicate 70% accuracy. When an individual has no / limited knowledge of his / her Ancestors, the IFHF can be a wonderful "Tool" to assist in locating Family members. But not to be used alone, nor as gospel. As All of us know, accurate records for Ireland before 1864 are hard to come by. The LDS provides a great source of information, if you can get to one of there centers. I am one of the few, who can't ! The Heritage Centers provide another source that is useful and I believe that the IFHF data is taken from the Heritage Centers. So, the IFHF is a summary of information for 70% of Ireland. (One Site instead of 32). Reed, If I gave you wrong information or misinformation, I apologize. And I again Thank Oceanstrands for his input. Ed (Pat) Logan of Philly ______________________________________________________________________________ __ --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Ejljbl@aol.com wrote: > From: Ejljbl@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] 1836 birth > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 11:49 AM > In a message dated 8/6/2008 12:55:42 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, > reedsqiliv@sbcglobal.net writes: > Mary Ellen Conroy daughter of Michael and Ellen (Roach) Conroy. She was born about 21 Mar 1836. Reed Livingston: > A search of the IFHF at (http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/) provides the following: > > Conroy is not listed but appears as Conry -- > Michael Born 1806 - 1822 -- only appears 10 times in Roscommon & Westmeath. > > Ellen Roach/Roche born 1806 - 1822 appears 69 times,primarily in Cork, > Kilkenny, Tipperary, & Limerick. > A few in Galway and 1 in Dublin. (Clare not indexed as yet) > > Marriage for Michael Conry between 1832 & 1836 -- only 8 Marriages; > Roscommon (2), Kildare (2), Westmeath, Tipperary, Galway in 1833, & Cork. > > Marriage for Ellen Roach/ Roche Between 1832 & 1836 --21 Marriages, in 3 > counties (Cork, Limerick & Kilkenny) > > I should note that "Roach" appears for Ellen as born in 1808 in Kilkenny & Marriage in Kilkenny in 1833. > > Mary Conroy / Conry born in 1836, only appears in 4 counties; Armagh, Galway, Tyrone & Roscommon. > > Given that you have limited information, My best guess would be to search > for the Parishes in the IFHF for Roscommon or Galway & Kilkenny. > > Hope this helps. > > Ed (Pat) Logan of Philly In a message dated 8/7/2008 9:06:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, oceanstrands@yahoo.com writes: Hello Ed, Since the message was posted on the County Mayo list it would seem logical that Mary Ellen Conroy would have been born/baptised in County Mayo and not in any of the other 32 counties or 64,000 towns and townlands in Ireland. There's a list of the names of all the towns and townlnads in Ireland on the Ireland Townland Database http://www.seanruad.com and pick any county of interest. If you look at County Mayo you'll see there are 3505 towns and townlands in County Mayo where she could have been born. Because people have the same given and surnames doesn't mean any connection to Mary Conroy or her specific family. It's just basically a same name search. Of course people can "adopt" people who are no connection to them whatsoever. In addition to identifying that not all records are included in the "IFHF-BRS" database it should also be mentioned there's at least a 30 per cent error rate in the data entry in the database. You also don't mention if your search was just for Roman Catholic parishes or included Church of Ireland (Anglican) parishes also. Look at the IFHF maps of counties covered to see not all counties are there: http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/map.php?&set=yes Then look at the individual counties which are included for the records sources used. For example, you quote Roscommon and Westmeath: Here are the records included in Roscommon, note many of the Roman Catholic parish records don't go back far enough to include a baptism for 1836: http://roscommon.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMen u=showdatabase Here's Westmeath: http://westmeath.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMen u=showdatabase Not all of County Cork is even included in the database let alone the Roman Catholic parish records, just "North Cork" is there. Here are the "North Cork" Roman Catholic parish records detail: http://corknortheast.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selecte dMenu=showdatabase Here are the Roman Catholic parish maps for All of County Cork, click on each area on the maps to identify the years covered in the records and where they can be accessed: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/corkrc.htm Kilkenny: http://kilkenny.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu =showdatabase Tipperary: North Tipp: http://tipperarynorth.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&select edMenu=showdatabase South Tipp: http://tipperarysouth.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&select edMenu=showdatabase Those records exclude the Diocese of Cashel and Emly which has only recently allowed access to the microfilms at the National Library of Ireland in Dublin, compare the names of the Roman Catholic parishes in County Tipperary with the parishes listed in the "IFHF-BRS", click on each parish on the maps to see the dates covered in the records: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/tipperaryrc.htm County Limerick: http://limerick.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMenu =showdatabase County Galway: East Galway: http://galwayeast.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMe nu=showdatabase West Galway: http://galwaywest.brsgenealogy.com/generic.php?filename=sources.tpl&selectedMe nu=showdatabase County Dublin or Dublin City? 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The first part of your message dealt with the incomplete Griffiths Index Extracts, not the actual detailed records from the original Griffiths Property Valuation done in County Mayo in 1856-7. You always need to search the actual original Griffiths to identify if people were renting property just for farming or actually had a dwelling there. Often too people subleased property to others who aren't listed in the original Griffiths detail records either. I clarified that Griffiths is not by civil parish since you referred to Kilcolman parish in Griffiths as a potential place to search because of Griffiths, the Property Valuation done in County Mayo in 1856-7. However there are two Kilcolman civil parishes in County Mayo. Since Griffiths lists civil parishes, not Roman Catholic parishes, it's always necessary to identify what Roman Catholic parishes include which civil parishes for records search purposes since the Roman Catholic parish boundaries are generally quite different than the more numerous civil parishes. Oceanstrands --- On Thu, 8/7/08, conaught2 <conaught2@charter.net> wrote: > From: conaught2 <conaught2@charter.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] 1836 birth > To: oceanstrands@yahoo.com, irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 1:15 AM > Hi Oceanstrands, > > The first paragraph of my post dealt with the Primary > Valuation of Ireland > aka Griffith's Valuation which as you stated lists > civil parishes. The > second part of the post dealt with the Catholic parish for > the Roach/Conroy > reference from Dr. Ryan's "Irish Records". I > omitted Ryan's information > about what years records are available for Castlemore > Parish because several > times I have found older records are available in > parishes which are not > listed in Ryan's book . Ryan's book lists parish > information by religion., > i.e. Church of Ireland, Presbyterian, Roman Catholic, > Methodist and others. > The information I stated regarding Castlemore Parish is > listed under Ryan's > Roman Catholic records. For Kilcolman he refers the reader > to Castlemore > Catholic Parish, County Roscommon. Since I have the > Catholic Directory I > added where Reed could contact the church since he stated > he was interested > Roman Catholic records. > > Beannachtai, > Margaret (Máiread) > > Ireland consists of: > > Four Provinces: Connacht(Connaught), Leinster, Munster and > Ulster (counties > listed at end of post) > The Irish researcher will mainly deal with the following > civil > administrative divisions: > > 1. Province > 2. County > 3. Barony > 4. Civil Parish (usually referred by researchers simply as > parish although > it will in some cases vary with Catholic parishes. > 5. Poor Law Union > 7. Registrar District > 8. Electoral Division > 9. Town/Townlands > > FOUR PROVINCES OF IRELAND: > > Province of Leinster > > Carlow > Dublin > Kildare > Kilkenny > Laois > Longford > Louth > Meath > Offaly > Westmeath > Wexford > Wicklow > > Province of Munster > > Clare > Cork > Kerry > Limerick > Tipperary > Waterford > > Province of Connacht > > Galway > Leitrim > Mayo > Roscommon > Sligo > > Province of Ulster > > Antrim > Armagh > Cavan > Derry > Donegal > Down > Fermanagh > Monaghan > Tyrone

Hi - She was married in Batavia, Genesee Co., NY in 1863. Oceanstrands <oceanstrands@yahoo.com> wrote: Hi Carole, Where was she married? Oceanstrands --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Carole Livingston wrote: > From: Carole Livingston > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] 1836 birth > To: IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 4:53 AM > I am trying to locate a birth record for my great > grandmother Mary Ellen Conroy daughter of Michael and Ellen > (Roach) Conroy. She was born about 21 Mar 1836. Can anyone > tell me what parishes/ Catholic churches to try? > Thank you very much. > Reed Livingston (nee SQUIER) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Carole, Was Mary Ellen Conroy born in County Mayo? The reason I asked where Mary Ellen Conroy was married was because there may be other records search options you can do to identify where she may have been born in County Mayo. In addition to where she was married, did she emigrate and when? Did her parents emigrate? If so, when? Because civil registration of births didn't start in Ireland until 1864, and there are no surviving census records before 1901, church parish records for her birthplace in County Mayo would be the possible source for a baptismal record for her IF they survive back to her birth year. The majority of Roman Catholic parish records in County Mayo don't survive back that far for all parishes. If she was born in one of the parishes where records don't survive back to her birth year there won't be a baptismal record for her in County Mayo. There's a list of the names of all the towns and townlands in County Mayo at the Ireland Townland Database http://www.seanruad.com and pick Mayo as your search county. Here's the link to the Roman Catholic parish maps in County Mayo, click on each parish on the maps to identify what years are covered in the records and where they can be accessed: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/mayorc.htm Oceanstrands --- On Wed, 8/6/08, Carole Livingston <reedsqiliv@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > From: Carole Livingston <reedsqiliv@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] 1836 birth > To: IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Wednesday, August 6, 2008, 4:53 AM > I am trying to locate a birth record for my great > grandmother Mary Ellen Conroy daughter of Michael and Ellen > (Roach) Conroy. She was born about 21 Mar 1836. Can anyone > tell me what parishes/ Catholic churches to try? > Thank you very much. > Reed Livingston (nee SQUIER) > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word > 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the message