As to why Bridgets usually became Delias and Dellas when they emigrated, as my grandmother did, I'm told they thought Bridget sounded too "old country," Delia or Della more modern. Diane

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: armer158 Surnames: McDonough/McDonaugh Patrick Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7987/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Hi I'm at a total dead end trying to locate my paternal Grandfather Patrick McDonough/McDonaugh.(Spellings on English documents). According to family information he was born in Westport circa 1892, then moved to England and settled in Middlesbrough.He married Katie Callaghan in England(her father was from Carlingford, Louth). Their marriage certificate states that Patricks father was Anthony McDonough, a farm labourer, but I don't know whether he came to England, or stayed in Ireland, and the names Anne, Anthony, Harry/Henry, James and Nicholas have been mentioned as possible siblings. I beleive at the time that Patrick left for England the family "scattered", although I don't know whether Anthony stayed in Ireland. I appreciate this isn't a great deal to go on but any replies would be a fantastic help. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Hi Nancy, It's the same here in Ireland, many people named Bridget are called Delia. Delia is the nickname for Bridget. They both stem from the name Bedelia/Bidelia, an old Irish Gaelic/Celtic name meaning high one. The name Bridget, St. Bridget derives from that as well as Delia. Oceanstrands --- On Thu, 4/30/09, Njetzkorn@aol.com <Njetzkorn@aol.com> wrote: > From: Njetzkorn@aol.com <Njetzkorn@aol.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Moore's of Westport, County Mayo > To: gc-gateway@rootsweb.com, IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com > Date: Thursday, April 30, 2009, 3:14 PM > Quick question please > Does anyone know why women named Bridget changed their name > to Delia/Della  > especially when they > immigrated?  I have several relatives that went by > both names. > > Any response would be greatly appreciated. > > Thank you. > > Nancy - Lisle IL USA

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bfastsinclair Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7986/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Does anyone know how to find vital statistic information on decendents from Clynish Island? The Mayo ancestors site didn't have any information. Does anyone know what to do to find out this info? Thanks Beverly Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bfastsinclair Surnames: Moore, Fergus, O'Neill, Malley Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7985/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I am looking for information on two separate families. The first is the descendents of Winifred Malley (b. 1928) and William Moore (b. 1928.) The Moore family ended up in newport or Clinish, Co. Mayo. They had children, and their son, Domnick moore (b. 1868 in Ballylan, Laoighis, Ireland) was my great grandfather. Domnick married Bridget Fergus (b. 1861) Bridget's father was John Fergus, b. 1840, was from Gorthfary, Argaugh, Newport, Co. Mayo (Burrishoole parish). I don't know who his wife was. John Fergus' children were Bridget, Thomas, Alice, Edward, John, Patrick, William and Michael. Their daughter Bridget (like her mom, b. 1895) went by Delia, then changed to Della when she immigrated to the US when she was 15. Bridget/Della married James O'Neill, whose family was from co. Carlow, and were descendents of Martin O'Neill & Catherine Doyle. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bfastsinclair Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7979.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Thank you so much for your reply. I really do appreciate your help! I haven't had a chance to make it to the LDS building here in Indy, but I hope to do so soon, and try to find out more information. Thanks again! Beverly Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: pmanley144 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/689.1343.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I'm afraid I don't have any information on your Caffertys. However, I believe my gg grandfather, John Monnelly, was born in Treenagh, Moygownagh. This is the only reference to that townland I have ever found on the discussion boards. Does your granmother remember anything at all about Monnellys living in Treenagh? Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Quick question please Does anyone know why women named Bridget changed their name to Delia/Della especially when they immigrated? I have several relatives that went by both names. Any response would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Nancy - Lisle IL USA **************Big savings on Dell XPS Laptops and Desktops!(http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1219491521x1201306563/aol?redir=http:%2F%2Fad.double click.net%2Fclk%3B214102108%3B35952091%3Bs)

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: sandyeveritt Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/3101.1.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Do you know the names of any other children of Charles Gardiner of Touroe, Aranmore, Co. Galway? Do you know anything more about him? Sandy Gardiner sandyeveritt@yahoo.com Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: corduff_1 Surnames: Gilbert Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/689.1309.1.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Edmund Gilbert was a coastguard stationed in North Mayo. He was married to Helena McCarthy. Note that McCarthy is a predominantly Cork surmname and is not often found in Mayo. It was customary for coastguards to be moved from place to place and this might explain the itinery of your ancestor. This may be a co-incidence. I will check my notes and let you know if I come across anything further. I have a general interest in the history of the area and would appreciate any information you may have. My direct email address is corduff@eircom.net. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: chrismcguire66 Surnames: Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/595.916.1.1.1.1.2.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My great grandmother was Bridget Boylan daughter of John and Sarah McGrath. She also had a sister Mary and a brother Thomas. I know Thomas went to Scotland and this would be your grandfather. Yes I would like to fill in that branch of the tree. My direct email is: one32@aol.com Chris McGuire Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: scross1231 Surnames: Gilbert - Cannon Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/689.1309.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: My Gt Grandfather is John Cannon Gilbert. On 1911 Census he is living in Belfast, born 1861/62 (est)in Co Cork. Alexander Gilbert is a witness on John's marriage certificate (1889, Belfast). I assume this to be a brother. His father is stated as John, a teacher. I found a reference to a marriage of John Sheridan Gilbert and Eliza Cannon in Belfast in 1856. The Cannon link made me wonder if these are John C's parents. My father told me that his Grandfather (John snr) was a teacher in Balina on the West Coast of Ireland. I found a John Gilbert listed as a classical teacher, in the 1881 directory of Ballina. How John C came to be born in Co Cork (1862 /-1)if his parents were married in Belfast (1856), and then were in Co Mayo working (1881), I'm not sure. What I'm missing is the links between all these bits of information. I'm hoping your email linked to this site is still active. If you are able to help, even to eliminate any of the links I'd appreciate your help. Thanks. Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: bowenp165 Surnames: Bohan Nicholson Roach Roche Bowen Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/7984/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Immigrated to Medford Ma abt 1882 married Sarah Roach (b 1865) of Ireland. Looking for possible ancestors. Co Roscommon, Co Mayo likely.Name changed to Bowen by 1910 Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MOUGHTY Surnames: Daly, Morley, Sheridan, Tracy, Donnelly Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/2843.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: I have a Sarah Tracy/Treacy b. abt. 1804 in Mayo, probably in the Crumlin/Irishtown area. She married John Daly and died 17 Nov 1866. Research done at the South Mayo Heritage Centre indicates that by the time of Civil Registration in 1864, there appeared to be no Treacys left in the area. There was a Michael who appeared in Griffith's Valuation. There is a reference to the Treacys in the Folklore Essays collected at Cullane National School in 1937/1938. It states "Another family lived in front of Mrs. Beirne's called the Treacys. They also went to foreign lands. The garden where they lived is called 'Gainne Treasa' (Treacy's Garden)." I would be interested in anything you know that might connect this family. Thanks. Regards, Donna Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MOUGHTY Surnames: Daly, Morley, Sheridan, Tracy, Donnelly Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/1659.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Joe, Your post is an old one so I'm not sure if you'll get this. Hopefully in the past years you've been able to add to your knowledge. I have a record of the birth of Celia to Thomas/Ann Mooney 15 Nov 1877 and of Denis 10 Jan 1880. I came across these when I was researching my Daly family in Crumlin/Irishtown. I'm working on John Daly who married three times to Bridget Carney, Mary Kirrane and Mary Morley. My husband descends from the marriage to Mary Morley. John Daly's parents were John Daly and Sarah Tracy. Sarah died in 1866 and John died before 1873. John and Sarah had two other children that I know of, Celia b.abt 1824 and married James Donnelly and Catherine b abt 1843 married Michael Sheridan. Because of the wide gap in ages of the three children, I feel there are more children of John and Sarah and wonder if you've made a connection to that family. I'm going to be visiting this area the end of June and I've written some things on the Daly family on my blog at! www.moughty.com. Let me know if you have any connections. Regards, Donna Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board.

Moughty - I am researching my maternal side of the family. My grandfather was John Daly born in Philadelphia. His father was Joseph Daly married to Anne McQuade. Joseph was born in Ireland, Westmeath area, in 1845 and immigrated to Philadelphia in 1869. relations to yours??? Lynn McLain - MclainLynn@JohnDeere.com -----Original Message----- From: irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-mayo-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of gc-gateway@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, April 27, 2009 2:02 PM To: IRL-MAYO-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Thomas/Anne/Nancy(Mooney)Daly, Irishtown/Crumlin, Co. Mayo, c1868-1879 This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list. Author: MOUGHTY Surnames: Daly, Morley, Sheridan, Tracy, Donnelly Classification: queries Message Board URL: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.britisles.ireland.may.general/1659.1/mb.ashx Message Board Post: Joe, Your post is an old one so I'm not sure if you'll get this. Hopefully in the past years you've been able to add to your knowledge. I have a record of the birth of Celia to Thomas/Ann Mooney 15 Nov 1877 and of Denis 10 Jan 1880. I came across these when I was researching my Daly family in Crumlin/Irishtown. I'm working on John Daly who married three times to Bridget Carney, Mary Kirrane and Mary Morley. My husband descends from the marriage to Mary Morley. John Daly's parents were John Daly and Sarah Tracy. Sarah died in 1866 and John died before 1873. John and Sarah had two other children that I know of, Celia b.abt 1824 and married James Donnelly and Catherine b abt 1843 married Michael Sheridan. Because of the wide gap in ages of the three children, I feel there are more children of John and Sarah and wonder if you've made a connection to that family. I'm going to be visiting this area the end of June and I've written some things on the Daly family on my blog at! www.moughty.com. Let me know if you have any connections. Regards, Donna Important Note: The author of this message may not be subscribed to this list. If you would like to reply to them, please click on the Message Board URL link above and respond on the board. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much. These mailing lists are very good. I am pleased to say that I have been able to help people as well as getting help. ======================================== Message Received: Apr 27 2009, 10:30 AM From: "Oceanstrands" To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters Well done Anne! You are a good detective. Here's the link to Trim RC parish, I'd start there looking for Lawrence's baptismal record: http://www.dioceseofmeath.ie/parishes/trim.html Here's the link for the other parishes: http://www.dioceseofmeath.ie/parishes/index.html Here's another map of the RC parishes in Co. Meath, click on each one and you'll find the dates for the parish records: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/meathrc.htm Here's some information about Trim: http://www.trimtown.com/ http://www.irishtourist.com/meath/towns/trim/ Oceanstrands --- On Sun, 4/26/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 1:55 AM > Dear Oceanstrands, > > it took a bit of > detective work: > > Before 1st January, 2002 it was expensive to find out > anything from the 1901 census. After due, monetary, > consideration I sent in a query. One had to be a) the > person; b) have the person's written permission; c) have > written permission of a direct descendant. Also the > person's address had to be given. > I sent in the form, giving myself permission being as it > was my grandmother I was enquiring about. The address > posed a problem but my father was 6 months old and my > grandfather a coast guard. So I gave 'Coast Guard > Cottages', Mothecombe, Devon as the address. > The reply came back stating Cork as my grandmother's place > of birth. > > Next, I sent to Dublin for her birth certificate. > What came back was not as informative as the ones for > mainland Britain but gave her father's name, rank and > regiment. > > Was this the correct person? Well, a search of the > regimental registers gave me more children. Their > christian names were family names, which was a clue. > > I followed Lawrence back through the regimental musters > until I came to an entry: volunteer. So that was when > he had joined. At that date the regiment was > recruiting in Trim. > > Lawrence married in Portsmouth, which is where his wife was > from. In the 1871 census his place of birth was given > as 'Ireland'. > > Family History can be hard work! > > Regards, > Anne > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Apr 26 2009, 10:49 AM > From: "Oceanstrands" > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > > > Hi Anne, > > If all Lawrence's British military records were destroyed, > then how do you know he enlisted in the British Army in Trim > and gave his year of birth as 1840 and was on assignment to > Ireland in 1876? > > Oceanstrands > > --- On Sat, 4/25/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > wrote: > > > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > > > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > > Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 2:50 AM > > Dear 'Oceanstrands, > > > > > > when a british > > soldier was discharged to pension or if he died in > service, > > then the attestation papers for him are in Kew. > > Unfortunately, my Lawrence died from a surfeit of > alcohol so > > his papers would have been destroyed. I > understand > > that, when a soldier died his place of birth is > entered at > > the back of the last muster book in which he would > have been > > entered. To add to my frustration, this muster > has > > been lost. > > Thank you for your reply. > > > > Regards, > > > > Anne > > > > > > > > > > ======================================== > > Message Received: Apr 25 2009, 12:02 PM > > From: "Oceanstrands" > > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > > Cc: > > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > > > > > > > Anne, > > > > Civil registration didn't start in Ireland until 1864 > so > > there won't be a civil birth record for him. There > aren't > > any surviving census records before 1901. > > > > Trim is in County Meath and there's a possibility if > that's > > where he enlisted he might have been from that area. > Did you > > get his British military records from Kew in England? > Don't > > they include where he was born? > > > > You'll want to search in County Meath in the Roman > Catholic > > parish records in the county. > > > > Oceanstrandds > > > > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > > wrote: > > > > > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > > > > > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 5:38 AM > > > > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > > I am trying to find out where my > greatgrandfather, > > Lawrence > > > Waters, was born. It would have been around > 1844. > > > > > > He joined the army in 1856, enlisting in Trim. > Giving > > his > > > birth year as 1840, he would have received the > bounty > > of a > > > man instead of that for a boy. He then went > abroad and > > was > > > only back in Ireland for a short spell of duty > in > > > 1876. I have no idea which part of Ireland > he > > came > > > from. > > > > > > The three indications I have for his year of > birth are > > on > > > his marriage certificate, 1871 census and death > > certificate. > > > They all indicate a birth year of 1844. > > > > > > His marriage and death certificates state that > his > > father's > > > name was James and that he was a clerk. His > eldest > > child's > > > christian names were Kathleen Jane Etheridge > (Kathleen > > after > > > his mother or a sister? Jane Etheridge were his > > mother's > > > christian names). > > > > > > His children were baptized by the roman catholic > army > > > chaplain. > > > > > > Have any of you come across Lawrence? > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > Anne Vinnicombe > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Well done Anne! You are a good detective. Here's the link to Trim RC parish, I'd start there looking for Lawrence's baptismal record: http://www.dioceseofmeath.ie/parishes/trim.html Here's the link for the other parishes: http://www.dioceseofmeath.ie/parishes/index.html Here's another map of the RC parishes in Co. Meath, click on each one and you'll find the dates for the parish records: http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/meathrc.htm Here's some information about Trim: http://www.trimtown.com/ http://www.irishtourist.com/meath/towns/trim/ Oceanstrands --- On Sun, 4/26/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk <anne@celliddu.freeserve..co.uk> wrote: > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk <anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Date: Sunday, April 26, 2009, 1:55 AM > Dear Oceanstrands, >                 >           it took a bit of > detective work: > > Before 1st January, 2002 it was expensive to find out > anything from the 1901 census.  After due, monetary, > consideration I sent in a query.  One had to be a) the > person; b) have the person's written permission; c) have > written permission of a direct descendant.  Also the > person's address had to be given. > I sent in the form, giving myself permission being as it > was my grandmother I was enquiring about.  The address > posed a problem but my father was 6 months old and my > grandfather a coast guard.  So I gave 'Coast Guard > Cottages', Mothecombe, Devon as the address.  > The reply came back stating Cork as my grandmother's place > of birth. > > Next, I sent to Dublin for her birth certificate.  > What came back was not as informative as the ones for > mainland Britain but gave her father's name, rank and > regiment. > > Was this the correct person?  Well, a search of the > regimental registers gave me more children.  Their > christian names were family names, which was a clue. > > I followed Lawrence back through the regimental musters > until I came to an entry: volunteer.  So that was when > he had joined.  At that date the regiment was > recruiting in Trim. > > Lawrence married in Portsmouth, which is where his wife was > from.  In the 1871 census his place of birth was given > as 'Ireland'. > > Family History can be hard work! > > Regards, >             Anne > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Apr 26 2009, 10:49 AM > From: "Oceanstrands" > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > > > Hi Anne, > > If all Lawrence's British military records were destroyed, > then how do you know he enlisted in the British Army in Trim > and gave his year of birth as 1840 and was on assignment to > Ireland in 1876? > > Oceanstrands > > --- On Sat, 4/25/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > wrote: > > > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > > > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > > Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 2:50 AM > > Dear 'Oceanstrands, > >                > > >          >    when a british > > soldier was discharged to pension or if he died in > service, > > then the attestation papers for him are in Kew. > > Unfortunately, my Lawrence died from a surfeit of > alcohol so > > his papers would have been destroyed.  I > understand > > that, when a soldier died his place of birth is > entered at > > the back of the last muster book in which he would > have been > > entered.  To add to my frustration, this muster > has > > been lost. > > Thank you for your reply. > > > > Regards, > >              > >    Anne > > > > > > > > > > ======================================== > > Message Received: Apr 25 2009, 12:02 PM > > From: "Oceanstrands" > > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > > Cc: > > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > > > > > > > Anne, > > > > Civil registration didn't start in Ireland until 1864 > so > > there won't be a civil birth record for him. There > aren't > > any surviving census records before 1901. > > > > Trim is in County Meath and there's a possibility if > that's > > where he enlisted he might have been from that area. > Did you > > get his British military records from Kew in England? > Don't > > they include where he was born? > > > > You'll want to search in County Meath in the Roman > Catholic > > parish records in the county. > > > > Oceanstrandds > > > > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > > wrote: > > > > > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > > > > > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > > > Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 5:38 AM > > > > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > > I am trying to find out where my > greatgrandfather, > > Lawrence > > > Waters, was born. It would have been around > 1844. > > > > > > He joined the army in 1856, enlisting in Trim. > Giving > > his > > > birth year as 1840, he would have received the > bounty > > of a > > > man instead of that for a boy. He then went > abroad and > > was > > > only back in Ireland for a short spell of duty > in > > > 1876.  I have no idea which part of Ireland > he > > came > > > from. > > > > > > The three indications I have for his year of > birth are > > on > > > his marriage certificate, 1871 census and death > > certificate. > > > They all indicate a birth year of 1844. > > > > > > His marriage and death certificates state that > his > > father's > > > name was James and that he was a clerk. His > eldest > > child's > > > christian names were Kathleen Jane Etheridge > (Kathleen > > after > > > his mother or a sister? Jane Etheridge were his > > mother's > > > christian names). > > > > > > His children were baptized by the roman catholic > army > > > chaplain. > > > > > > Have any of you come across Lawrence? > > > > > > Yours sincerely, > > > Anne Vinnicombe > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an > email to > > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in > the > > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >

Dear Oceanstrands, it took a bit of detective work: Before 1st January, 2002 it was expensive to find out anything from the 1901 census. After due, monetary, consideration I sent in a query. One had to be a) the person; b) have the person's written permission; c) have written permission of a direct descendant. Also the person's address had to be given. I sent in the form, giving myself permission being as it was my grandmother I was enquiring about. The address posed a problem but my father was 6 months old and my grandfather a coast guard. So I gave 'Coast Guard Cottages', Mothecombe, Devon as the address. The reply came back stating Cork as my grandmother's place of birth. Next, I sent to Dublin for her birth certificate. What came back was not as informative as the ones for mainland Britain but gave her father's name, rank and regiment. Was this the correct person? Well, a search of the regimental registers gave me more children. Their christian names were family names, which was a clue. I followed Lawrence back through the regimental musters until I came to an entry: volunteer. So that was when he had joined. At that date the regiment was recruiting in Trim. Lawrence married in Portsmouth, which is where his wife was from. In the 1871 census his place of birth was given as 'Ireland'. Family History can be hard work! Regards, Anne ======================================== Message Received: Apr 26 2009, 10:49 AM From: "Oceanstrands" To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com Cc: Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters Hi Anne, If all Lawrence's British military records were destroyed, then how do you know he enlisted in the British Army in Trim and gave his year of birth as 1840 and was on assignment to Ireland in 1876? Oceanstrands --- On Sat, 4/25/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk wrote: > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 2:50 AM > Dear 'Oceanstrands, > > when a british > soldier was discharged to pension or if he died in service, > then the attestation papers for him are in Kew. > Unfortunately, my Lawrence died from a surfeit of alcohol so > his papers would have been destroyed. I understand > that, when a soldier died his place of birth is entered at > the back of the last muster book in which he would have been > entered. To add to my frustration, this muster has > been lost. > Thank you for your reply. > > Regards, > > Anne > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Apr 25 2009, 12:02 PM > From: "Oceanstrands" > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > > > Anne, > > Civil registration didn't start in Ireland until 1864 so > there won't be a civil birth record for him. There aren't > any surviving census records before 1901. > > Trim is in County Meath and there's a possibility if that's > where he enlisted he might have been from that area. Did you > get his British military records from Kew in England? Don't > they include where he was born? > > You'll want to search in County Meath in the Roman Catholic > parish records in the county. > > Oceanstrandds > > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > wrote: > > > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > > > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > > Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 5:38 AM > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > I am trying to find out where my greatgrandfather, > Lawrence > > Waters, was born. It would have been around 1844. > > > > He joined the army in 1856, enlisting in Trim. Giving > his > > birth year as 1840, he would have received the bounty > of a > > man instead of that for a boy. He then went abroad and > was > > only back in Ireland for a short spell of duty in > > 1876. I have no idea which part of Ireland he > came > > from. > > > > The three indications I have for his year of birth are > on > > his marriage certificate, 1871 census and death > certificate. > > They all indicate a birth year of 1844. > > > > His marriage and death certificates state that his > father's > > name was James and that he was a clerk. His eldest > child's > > christian names were Kathleen Jane Etheridge (Kathleen > after > > his mother or a sister? Jane Etheridge were his > mother's > > christian names). > > > > His children were baptized by the roman catholic army > > chaplain. > > > > Have any of you come across Lawrence? > > > > Yours sincerely, > > Anne Vinnicombe > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Anne, If all Lawrence's British military records were destroyed, then how do you know he enlisted in the British Army in Trim and gave his year of birth as 1840 and was on assignment to Ireland in 1876? Oceanstrands --- On Sat, 4/25/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk <anne@celliddu.freeserve..co.uk> wrote: > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk <anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk> > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Date: Saturday, April 25, 2009, 2:50 AM > Dear 'Oceanstrands, >                 >             when a british > soldier was discharged to pension or if he died in service, > then the attestation papers for him are in Kew.  > Unfortunately, my Lawrence died from a surfeit of alcohol so > his papers would have been destroyed.  I understand > that, when a soldier died his place of birth is entered at > the back of the last muster book in which he would have been > entered.  To add to my frustration, this muster has > been lost. > Thank you for your reply. > > Regards, >               >    Anne > > > > > ======================================== > Message Received: Apr 25 2009, 12:02 PM > From: "Oceanstrands" > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > Cc: > Subject: Re: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > > > Anne, > > Civil registration didn't start in Ireland until 1864 so > there won't be a civil birth record for him. There aren't > any surviving census records before 1901. > > Trim is in County Meath and there's a possibility if that's > where he enlisted he might have been from that area. Did you > get his British military records from Kew in England? Don't > they include where he was born? > > You'll want to search in County Meath in the Roman Catholic > parish records in the county. > > Oceanstrandds > > --- On Fri, 4/24/09, anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > wrote: > > > From: anne@celliddu.freeserve.co.uk > > > Subject: [IRL-MAYO] Lawrence Waters > > To: irl-mayo@rootsweb.com > > Date: Friday, April 24, 2009, 5:38 AM > > > > > > Dear Listers, > > I am trying to find out where my greatgrandfather, > Lawrence > > Waters, was born. It would have been around 1844. > > > > He joined the army in 1856, enlisting in Trim. Giving > his > > birth year as 1840, he would have received the bounty > of a > > man instead of that for a boy. He then went abroad and > was > > only back in Ireland for a short spell of duty in > > 1876.  I have no idea which part of Ireland he > came > > from. > > > > The three indications I have for his year of birth are > on > > his marriage certificate, 1871 census and death > certificate. > > They all indicate a birth year of 1844. > > > > His marriage and death certificates state that his > father's > > name was James and that he was a clerk. His eldest > child's > > christian names were Kathleen Jane Etheridge (Kathleen > after > > his mother or a sister? Jane Etheridge were his > mother's > > christian names). > > > > His children were baptized by the roman catholic army > > chaplain. > > > > Have any of you come across Lawrence? > > > > Yours sincerely, > > Anne Vinnicombe > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > > subject and the body of the message > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-MAYO-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the > subject and the body of the message >