This is all very enlightening. Am I to understand that the English have census records for parts of Ireland? I too was wondering how mobile they all were since things don't add up in many cases and it is difficult to track entire families. Also, I am wondering how to determine familial status for folks who immigrated together. I have an ancestor Patrick Curran who came to the states with a Catherine who appears to be a grandmother and a Michael who may be a sibling or a cousin, and so forth. Peg -------------- Original message from irl-longford-request@rootsweb.com: -------------- > > > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php > > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Relocation in County Longford in 1820s (king133@juno.com) > 2. Re: Relocation in County Longford in 1820s (mike) > 3. Re: Relocation in County Longford in 1820s (coeescrow@aol.com) > 4. Re: Relocation in County Longford in 1820s (ngray.phale@att.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 22:06:55 GMT > From: "king133@juno.com" > Subject: [IRL-LONGFORD] Relocation in County Longford in 1820s > To: irl-longford@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <20080417.180655.15445.1@webmail21.vgs.untd.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 > > Question: Does anyone have a 'feel' for how much our ancestors moved from > townland to townland in the first half of the 1800s? > > If I look at the parish of Killoe and find only some of the children of 'James > HUGHES' in the church records there, was it likely that the other Hughes > children may have been born in another parish? or was movement from townland to > townland not commonplace in the early 1800s? > > Thanks for the help, > Charlie King > _____________________________________________________________ > Click here for free information on starting a business from your home. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieVCyMhyBiTZf0iaRfVzNAZzNrCNi8 > kZpwHsf4ufWt3AUD3u/ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:08:26 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) > From: "mike" > Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Relocation in County Longford in 1820s > To: > Message-ID: <4807D86A.000001.05596@MIKE-MERTLE> > Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > If you are researching Catholics, there is a great probability of movement, > as they were not > allowed to own property at the time, so you were at the mercy of a English > landlord and to the > ability to pay the rent.. In addition townlands are relatively small units, > so the bigger the family > the more likely the children, at the least, moved on. (some are not much > bigger in land area than a > suburban development of today, but dependent on farming not industrial work, > so there is > a limit on the amount of people it would support) > > Mike > > -------Original Message------- > > From: king133@juno.com > Date: 04/17/08 18:15:53 > To: irl-longford@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-LONGFORD] Relocation in County Longford in 1820s > > Question: Does anyone have a 'feel' for how much our ancestors moved from > townland to townland in the first half of the 1800s? > > If I look at the parish of Killoe and find only some of the children of > James HUGHES' in the church records there, was it likely that the other > Hughes children may have been born in another parish? or was movement from > townland to townland not commonplace in the early 1800s? > > Thanks for the help, > Charlie King > _____________________________________________________________ > Click here for free information on starting a business from your home. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno > com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieVCyMhyBiTZf0iaRfVzNAZzNrCNi8kZpwHsf4ufWt3AUD3u/ > > > > ********************************** > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.0/1383 - Release Date: 4/17/2008 > 9:00 AM > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 19:40:02 -0400 > From: coeescrow@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Relocation in County Longford in 1820s > To: irl-longford@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <8CA6EFB7D905630-730-DCC@webmail-nf08.sim.aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > In the case of my Mulledy's I was lucky, they never moved.?? As? a? matter of > fact because the name is not common it was easy to go through the first British > census and find them in it.??? Because they stayed in one place it was? also > easy to find the other families they married into, though those families either > died out or left. > > Good luck with your search, > > Susan Mulledy > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: king133@juno.com > To: irl-longford@rootsweb.com > Sent: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 3:06 pm > Subject: [IRL-LONGFORD] Relocation in County Longford in 1820s > > > > > > > > > > > Question: Does anyone have a 'feel' for how much our ancestors moved from > townland to townland in the first half of the 1800s? > > If I look at the parish of Killoe and find only some of the children of 'James > HUGHES' in the church records there, was it likely that the other Hughes > children may have been born in another parish? or was movement from townland to > townland not commonplace in the early 1800s? > > Thanks for the help, > Charlie King > _____________________________________________________________ > Click here for free information on starting a business from your home. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieVCyMhyBiTZf0iaRfVzNAZzNrCNi8 > kZpwHsf4ufWt3AUD3u/ > > > > ********************************** > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the message > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 23:59:46 +0000 > From: ngray.phale@att.net > Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Relocation in County Longford in 1820s > To: irl-longford@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <041720082359.24474.4807E4720001536F00005F9A22243651029B0A02D29B9B0EBF0A > 040E089FD2970E9D0902@att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Charlie, > > Movement from townland to townland in a county was common in the first half of > the nineteenth century, especially since that period includes all but the tail > end of the Famine. During the Famine itself, movement increased greatly for > both positive and negative reasons. The positive reason was that immigration > and, unfortunately, death made available more leases for the surviving > population, although taking up a lease often required displacement to another > townland. The chief negative reasons for movement during the Famine years were > eviction, immigration, and the death of the leaseholder. (The heirs of the > latter had no guaranteed right to take up the vacated lease.) > > Of course, conacre renters and landless agricultural laborers were still more > likely to move around even before the Famine period. Even before the beginning > of the Famine in 1845-46, there had been several localized crop failures that > left many tenants unable to pay their rents and thus subject to eviction. > > However, even at times of reasonable stability prior to the Famine, young men > frequently had to take their families elsewhere in search of land to lease. > Remember that townlands could encompass as few as about five acres, and Irish > families were large. Some of the sons had to find land to work elsewhere, go > into the Church, or immigrate. The last was particularly common in pre-Famine > period among those who subsequently turned up in Wicklow or in the UK; > industrialization in those areas meant that non-land-associated jobs might be > available. > > Nancy Gray > -------------- Original message from "king133@juno.com" : > -------------- > > > > Question: Does anyone have a 'feel' for how much our ancestors moved from > > townland to townland in the first half of the 1800s? > > > > If I look at the parish of Killoe and find only some of the children of 'James > > HUGHES' in the church records there, was it likely that the other Hughes > > children may have been born in another parish? or was movement from townland > to > > townland not commonplace in the early 1800s? > > > > Thanks for the help, > > Charlie King > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Click here for free information on starting a business from your home. > > > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iieVCyMhyBiTZf0iaRfVzNAZzNrCNi8 > > kZpwHsf4ufWt3AUD3u/ > > > > > > > > ********************************** > > Griffith's Valuations: > > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-LONGFORD list administrator, send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-LONGFORD mailing list, send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body of > the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-LONGFORD Digest, Vol 3, Issue 67 > *******************************************