Mike, You're right about Northern Ireland, although some of the discrimination up through the 1990s was primarily a result of property qualifications for the vote (which favored the much better off Protestants) rather than blatant anti-Catholic legislation. However, I was puzzled by the 1948 date for the establishment of the Republic of Ireland, which may refer to the departure of Ireland from the British Commonwealth in 1949. (The Irish Free State dates to 1921, although the Irish Civil War broke out over the issue of partition immediately, and the treaty recognizing the separation of the six Ulster Counties was not ratified until 1925.) As you noted, there was no anti-Catholic legislation in the South after the foundation of the Irish Free State; it just happened considerably earlier than 1948. Quite the contrary, the constitution of the Republic recognizes the special status of the Catholic Church in the life of the Irish people and, particularly during the lengthy period of time that Eamon de Valera was in office, clerical influence was so strong that even many Irish Catholics thought that it might be overdone. Originally, the constitution also asserted the claim of the Republic on the six counties in the North, although that has quite recently been removed in hopes of reaching a peaceful agreement with the Ulster unionists. Nancy -------------- Original message from "mike" <michael.mertle@comcast.net>: -------------- > Anti catholic legislation existed until 1948 when the Irish Republic was > established and > until 1998 in Northern Ireland > > here is a fair time line > http://www.historyonthenet.com/Chronology/timelinenorthernireland.htm > > Mike > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: king133@juno.com > Date: 04/21/08 15:19:36 > To: irl-longford@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-LONGFORD] Catholic Land Ownership > > Hi Mike, > Thanks for the input. I keep forgetting that land ownership was a problem > for Catholics. > > Question: About what time period could Catholics own land in Longford? > > Thanks, > Charlie King > > > Mike wrote: > If you are researching Catholics, there is a great probability of movement, > as they were not > allowed to own property at the time, so you were at the mercy of a English > landlord and to the > ability to pay the rent.. In addition townlands are relatively small units, > so the bigger the family > the more likely the children, at the least, moved on. (some are not much > bigger in land area than a > suburban development of today, but dependent on farming not industrial work, > so there is > a limit on the amount of people it would support) > > Mike > > _____________________________________________________________ > Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your > business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno > com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifXQ84y4ECNDv0TJt0lpETniwb21DcabRWdwhZrSyOmBmQeo/ > > > > ********************************** > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 > 8:34 AM > > ********************************** > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message
21st December 1948Creation of Republic of IrelandThe Irish Free State was granted full independence from Britain under the terms of the Republic of Ireland Act. However, the six northern counties remained part of the United Kingdom. Mike -------Original Message------- From: ngray.phale@att.net Date: 04/21/08 20:31:06 To: irl-longford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Catholic Land Ownership Mike, You're right about Northern Ireland, although some of the discrimination up through the 1990s was primarily a result of property qualifications for the vote (which favored the much better off Protestants) rather than blatant anti-Catholic legislation. However, I was puzzled by the 1948 date for the establishment of the Republic of Ireland, which may refer to the departure of Ireland from the British Commonwealth in 1949. (The Irish Free State dates to 1921, although the Irish Civil War broke out over the issue of partition immediately, and the treaty recognizing the separation of the six Ulster Counties was not ratified until 1925.) As you noted, there was no anti-Catholic legislation in the South after the foundation of the Irish Free State; it just happened considerably earlier than 1948. Quite the contrary, the constitution of the Republic recognizes the special status of the Catholic Church in the life of the Irish people and, particularly during the lengthy period of time that Eamon de Valera was in office, clerical influence was so strong that even many Irish Catholics thought that it might be overdone. Originally, the constitution also asserted the claim of the Republic on the six counties in the North, although that has quite recently been removed in hopes of reaching a peaceful agreement with the Ulster unionists. Nancy -------------- Original message from "mike" <michael.mertle@comcast.net>: -------------- > Anti catholic legislation existed until 1948 when the Irish Republic was > established and > until 1998 in Northern Ireland > > here is a fair time line > http://www.historyonthenet.com/Chronology/timelinenorthernireland.htm > > Mike > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: king133@juno.com > Date: 04/21/08 15:19:36 > To: irl-longford@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-LONGFORD] Catholic Land Ownership > > Hi Mike, > Thanks for the input. I keep forgetting that land ownership was a problem > for Catholics. > > Question: About what time period could Catholics own land in Longford? > > Thanks, > Charlie King > > > Mike wrote: > If you are researching Catholics, there is a great probability of movement > as they were not > allowed to own property at the time, so you were at the mercy of a English > landlord and to the > ability to pay the rent.. In addition townlands are relatively small units > so the bigger the family > the more likely the children, at the least, moved on. (some are not much > bigger in land area than a > suburban development of today, but dependent on farming not industrial work, > so there is > a limit on the amount of people it would support) > > Mike > > _____________________________________________________________ > Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your > business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno > com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifXQ84y4ECNDv0TJt0lpETniwb21DcabRWdwhZrSyOmBmQeo/ > > > > ********************************** > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 > 8:34 AM > > ********************************** > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** Griffith's Valuations: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 8:34 AM .
Monday, Apr. 25, 1949 " In Dublin this week, before the rebuilt post-office building on O'Connell Street, Pearse's challenge was read once again. It was answered once again by the roar of cannon. But this time the guns were firing orderly salutes. Ireland was formally a Republic. By the External Relations Act (passed last December and proclaimed this week) it had severed its last direct tie with the British crown. For the first time since Pope Adrian IV, 795 years ago, gave the island to England's King Henry II, Ireland was independent in law as well as fact. " from a Time Magazine article of the above date The article doesn't say on what specific day this occurred. I would hope they picked the most appropriate day, Easter Monday 18 April 1949?? I guess Irish independence is a matter of where you draw the line. Here it was rule of law. However, since Ireland does not celebrate an independence day, I guess we can pick our own significant date and have a glass of Irish whiskey. (or several days and several toasts???) (Probably a designated independence day will come when partition ends??) Of course you are right about the potential of owning land starting in 1880, but not only had the Catholic population been decimated, but it would be sort of like the south after emancipation, it still didn't stop the discrimination. Enjoyed your summary thanks Mike -------Original Message------- From: ngray.phale@att.net Date: 04/21/08 20:31:06 To: irl-longford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Catholic Land Ownership Mike, You're right about Northern Ireland, although some of the discrimination up through the 1990s was primarily a result of property qualifications for the vote (which favored the much better off Protestants) rather than blatant anti-Catholic legislation. However, I was puzzled by the 1948 date for the establishment of the Republic of Ireland, which may refer to the departure of Ireland from the British Commonwealth in 1949. (The Irish Free State dates to 1921, although the Irish Civil War broke out over the issue of partition immediately, and the treaty recognizing the separation of the six Ulster Counties was not ratified until 1925.) As you noted, there was no anti-Catholic legislation in the South after the foundation of the Irish Free State; it just happened considerably earlier than 1948. Quite the contrary, the constitution of the Republic recognizes the special status of the Catholic Church in the life of the Irish people and, particularly during the lengthy period of time that Eamon de Valera was in office, clerical influence was so strong that even many Irish Catholics thought that it might be overdone. Originally, the constitution also asserted the claim of the Republic on the six counties in the North, although that has quite recently been removed in hopes of reaching a peaceful agreement with the Ulster unionists. Nancy -------------- Original message from "mike" <michael.mertle@comcast.net>: -------------- > Anti catholic legislation existed until 1948 when the Irish Republic was > established and > until 1998 in Northern Ireland > > here is a fair time line > http://www.historyonthenet.com/Chronology/timelinenorthernireland.htm > > Mike > > > > -------Original Message------- > > From: king133@juno.com > Date: 04/21/08 15:19:36 > To: irl-longford@rootsweb.com > Subject: [IRL-LONGFORD] Catholic Land Ownership > > Hi Mike, > Thanks for the input. I keep forgetting that land ownership was a problem > for Catholics. > > Question: About what time period could Catholics own land in Longford? > > Thanks, > Charlie King > > > Mike wrote: > If you are researching Catholics, there is a great probability of movement > as they were not > allowed to own property at the time, so you were at the mercy of a English > landlord and to the > ability to pay the rent.. In addition townlands are relatively small units > so the bigger the family > the more likely the children, at the least, moved on. (some are not much > bigger in land area than a > suburban development of today, but dependent on farming not industrial work, > so there is > a limit on the amount of people it would support) > > Mike > > _____________________________________________________________ > Compete with the big boys. Click here to find products to benefit your > business. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno > com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifXQ84y4ECNDv0TJt0lpETniwb21DcabRWdwhZrSyOmBmQeo/ > > > > ********************************** > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.2/1389 - Release Date: 4/21/2008 > 8:34 AM > > ********************************** > Griffith's Valuations: > http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message ********************************** Griffith's Valuations: http://www.failteromhat.com/griffiths.php/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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