Hi David; Thanks for the input. This is pretty interesting material. I have the Co. Longford Tithe Applotment Book index by Guy Rymsza and this indicates that there was only one John O'REILY esq. in County Longford at the time (abt 1830) and he was listed in the townland of Kilfinton, Civil Parish of Street. Questions: ...Were priests in the 1825-1835 time frame full time priests or did they have to seek support by another profession? ...Would a priest show up in the Tithe Applotments, as noted above? Thanks for the help, Charlie King David wrote: Charlie, Once again, 1826 is a long time before I was born, but: "P.P." means Parish Priest, which means John O'Reily was the pastor and not an assistant (not a "curate," C.P.). My understanding is that the registry followed the priest and did not stay in the church building/office. John O'Reily could have served several communities ("churches") within the "Parish" of Killoe. I am speculating that the origin of this custom was in 1) hiding records from the English who would persecute or kill a Catholic, and 2) providing a physically safe location for the records. I remember the interesting story that someone posted about the successor priest asking for the registry from his predecessor and the older man demanding payment. David _____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on online masters degrees and make up to $150K/ year http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifnHYECMRQddTvDiBOKmt4q7tar9SbhC2UlJRFPn5ZoOWwnq/

Hi Charlie, Interesting questions. First, I have never seen a priest referred to as "Esq." The Esq's are usually attorneys (of course, he could have been both a priest and attorney -- as I am!). Diocesean priests have no vow of poverty and can own real estate, and sometimes have "regular" jobs (like the French Worker Priests after WWII). There is no reason why they would not show up in Griffith's. "Order" priests -- Benedictines, Franciscans, Dominicans, Jesuits.....--- have vows of poverty and would not ordinarily hold title or leases to real estate. It looks to me like Fr. John O'Reily was diocesean, and it also looks like he had a lot of turf to care for. Ordinarily the priest would live off offerings of food and lodging from the people. Now, while you and Ellenjane have your books out, could you check up on my family? We are the CREAMERs from Abbeylara, which is a "suburb" of Granard, Co. Longford. We found Bernard CREAMER who married Ann KILBRIDE on 9 Jan, 1783. We also found their son, my great great grandfather, John CREAMER, born 22 Oct. 1786. This was in the Granard church records. But we have no records of what happened to John's siblings, and we have nothing about where they lived. We know nothing about the KILBRIDEs. (We also suspect that they came from somewhere else, because there seems to be only one family) If you check out our website: http://www.creamers.name you will see that we followed John from PEI to the present pretty well, but we have nothing on the rest of the family. Thanks. David At 03:32 PM 3/19/2008, king133@juno.com wrote: >Hi David; > >Thanks for the input. This is pretty interesting material. > >I have the Co. Longford Tithe Applotment Book index by Guy Rymsza >and this indicates that there was only one John O'REILY esq. in >County Longford at the time (abt 1830) and he was listed in the >townland of Kilfinton, Civil Parish of Street. > >Questions: >...Were priests in the 1825-1835 time frame full time priests or did >they have to seek support by another profession? >...Would a priest show up in the Tithe Applotments, as noted above? > >Thanks for the help, >Charlie King > > >David wrote: >Charlie, >Once again, 1826 is a long time before I was born, but: "P.P." means >Parish Priest, which means John O'Reily was the pastor and not an >assistant (not a "curate," C.P.). My understanding is that the >registry followed the priest and did not stay in the church >building/office. John O'Reily could have served several communities >("churches") within the "Parish" of Killoe. > I am speculating that the origin of this custom was in 1) hiding >records from the English who would persecute or kill a Catholic, and >2) providing a physically safe location for the records. I remember >the interesting story that someone posted about the successor priest >asking for the registry from his predecessor and the older man >demanding payment. >David > >_____________________________________________________________ >Click for free info on online masters degrees and make up to $150K/ year >http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifnHYECMRQddTvDiBOKmt4q7tar9SbhC2UlJRFPn5ZoOWwnq/ > > > >********************************** >Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message