In a message dated 11/9/00 6:55:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, smf@ican.net writes: << Sheila Forbes >> let me guess your from the land owner VIII ñ 12. - Grant to Arthur, James and Robert Forbes, natives of Scotland, to be free denizens, and to have all the benefits, franchises, and privileges of the kingdom of Ireland with a grant to Arthur Forbes ñ LEITRIM co. The town and lands of Aghanohunsine 24 a. pasture and 60 a. bog and wood; Mogher, 12 a. pasture and 30 a. bog and wood; Greaghtrohane 12 a. pasture and 60 a. bog and wood; Clounicbegg 24 a. pasture and 60 a. bog and wood; Aleeduffe 12 a. pasture and 30 a. bog and wood; Clonemorris, Killinebrick, Aghowlebane, Dengen, and Knockegawer, 152 a. pasture and 110 a. bog and wood; Clonciagh 4 a, barony of Mohill; rent for the 500 a pasture £8 6 sh. 8 d. Ir., and for the 670 a. bog and wood 6 sh 9 1/2 d.ñ LONGFORD co. The town and lands of Clongise, 120 a. pasture and 298 a. bog and wood; Ballinibrien [Brianstown], Quinerin, Lisse [Lismoy], and Canrenallin 393 a. pasture and 299 a. bog and wood; Tooreboy [Tremboy?], Lisnegard [Lissagernal?], Corre [Corry], and Dronineshee 42 a. pasture and 31 a. bog and wood; and also 65 a. pasture and 40 a. bog and wood in the lands of Lishbrack and Corvalane, excepting 20 a. pasture adjacent to the church of Clongise, barony of Longford; rent for the 600 a. pature £7 10 sh. Eng. and for 660 a. bog and wood 13sh 11p.. James Forbes ñ LONGFORD co. The town and lands of Sorn, 126 a. pasture and 380 a. bog and wood; Derryluluan, 74 a. pasture and 37 a. bog and wood, barony of Longford; rent for the 200 a. pasture 2 sh 10d Eng. and for the 417 a. bog and wood 8 sh. 8 1/2d. Robert Forbes ñ LONGFORD co. The town and lands of Dromeelie [Drumlish], 83 a.; Corgarow [Corragarrow], 29 a. pasture and 22 a. bog and wood; Ewkyneowire, 44 a. pasture and 118 a. bog; more in the same 13 a., and also 31 a. pasture and 17 a. bog and wood in the lands of Breaghwy adjoining Ewkyneontra, barony of Granard; rent for the 200 a. pasture £2 10 sh. Eng., and for the 147 a. bog and wood 3 sh 3 1/2d. ñ All the lands in the county of Longford created the manor of Castleforbes, with courts-leet and view of frank-pledge, and courts-baron; power to create seneschals and other officers, with jurisdiction in all actions for debt, covenant and trespass where the damages do not exceed 40 sh. Ir.: to enjoy all waifs and strays; to have free warren and chase, with all tithes great and small; excepting all ancient glebes, rectories and vicarages. To hold a Thursday market an Clongise, and one fair on the feast of St. Bartholomew the apostle (24 August) and the day after, for ever, with a court of pie-powder and the usual tolls and customs; rent 10 sh. Eng. ñ To hold in free and common soccage; subject to the conditions, provisions, limitations and agreements, as undertakers of the plantation of Longford and Leitrim ñ 1 April, 20th [20th year of reign of James I - 1623] in Patent Rolls of James I (Vol. 9) p. 540, 541 note: square brackets indicate likely modern townland name and if these are yours why and when did yours come here? jim all denning-dever-cogan in mass-some malone-carroll-mcguire-doherty-mcneil-piscopo-mazzola-heslin-martini-feddis-fa rley-dennen-dinan-fredricks- ____________________________________ "we go to school to learn the words of fools" bob dylan