At 02:00 AM 6/26/00 -0700, you wrote: >IRL-LONGFORD-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 82 > #1 Message #2 of IRL-LONGFORD-D Diges [Rachel & Bob Smith <rachel-robert.] > #2 [LONGFORD] :Re Austin and McKnight ["Richard Callanan" <RichardCallana] > #3 [LONGFORD] Re: IRL-LONGFORD-D Dige [McCurit@aol.com] ______________________________ >Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:36:24 EDT >From: McCurit@aol.com >Subject: [LONGFORD] Re: IRL-LONGFORD-D Digest V00 #81(kenny) >To: IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com >Message-id: <bd.4958364.26880d98@aol.com> >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >X-Message: #3 > >In a message dated 6/25/00 11:06:55 AM US Mountain Standard Time, >IRL-LONGFORD-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > ><< He found two pages of Kenny's. What first names are you interested > in? >> >Rachel, I am afraid >I don't have much information. Margaret Kenny b. Aug 15, 1885 in County >Longford. >Her father was James probably 20 - 30 at her birth. 1855- 1865. Mother was >either >Elizabeth Cox or Sheridan. Help me solve this puzzle. I have looked at the James Kennys for you, and it would be worth it for you to order a print of the Griffiths returns. They seem to have been substantial land holders. As Mr. Callanan reminded in the #82 issue, more than one entry for a name may show either one individual with various holdings or more than one person of that name. Checking the wonderful map in Leahy's index<http://homepage.eircom.net/~daveleahy/, I find that the numerous entries are close or contiguous, strongly suggesting this could be one James. The Griffiths reports will tell you who owned the land for which the tax was levied, whether James or a landlord. If it adds up to a lot of acreage, you are likely to win either way, because there are apt to be registered leases or deeds with a lot of genealogical information. There were a James,sen. and James,jr. at Druming and James at Cloonmore in Kilglass Ph. James at Cornadowagh in Cashel Ph Ballybranigan in Shrule Forgney in Forgney Lisrevagh in Rathcline Cornollen in Clongesh Ballindagny and Cullyvore in Mostrim Drumderg in Clonbroney In Ardagh: Carnan, Crossea North, Keeeloges, Moor, Rathvaldron In Killoe: Aghaboy, Clontumpher, Creeve, Derrynacross, Kiltyreher To order the prints, or get a price quotation, write to the National Archives, Four Courts, Dublin 7. By reading the details of the entry you may get a clue which was the place the family lived, which they managed. My family had a number of leased holdings they sublet or rented, just a couple of places they came to own. This was the middleman system, a way the major landlords got their property managed. It turned out to be bad during the famine when the middleman had to collect rent to render his own obligation, because they had limited room to mitigate the misery. Once you know the landlord, you can engage a record agent to search the deed indexes at Henrietta Street Registry for deeds described [landlord's name] to Kenny. If the agent finds such listings you can order prints for four Irish punts apiece, what I was charged recently. The indexes are by spans of years, and it is possible to learn generations of a family from the information in them. Have the agent take a look also for deeds around the time of the parents marriage described Cox to Kenney, and Sheridan to Kenney, in the possibility of a marriage settlement deed. Right at that time, though, I don't think that type were as common as a few decades earlier, at least in my own family's records. Deeds are great because they are for long periods often described as "lives" as they might run for the life of a named son of a specified age, perhaps of sons of both lessee and less, or of some relative or in-law close enough to be a trustee or guardian. Rachel Smith