Nancy I will look for my Grandmother's baptism certificate - I assume the priest would have signed it - and let you know if it was your relative. My Grandmother was the second child and another 4 children were born in Granard before the family moved to Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1898/9. So your relative probably baptised those as well. Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: <ngray.phale@att.net> To: <irl-longford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Hughes/Kelagher Marriage Dispensation > Actually Abbeylara does have its own church--or chapel, as it would have > been known during the British period--in addition to the ruined monastery. > One of my distant cousins, Father William Gray, was parish priest there in > the 1890s and must have baptized Rhoda's relative. > > Nancy > -------------- Original message from "David A. Myers" > <davidamyers@mindspring.com>: -------------- > > >> HI Rhoda, >> This is where we both need a map of the Granard area for 1800. >> My family, CREAMER, is from Abbeylara and the records are listed >> under "Granard." >> I have also opened the other parishes listed and I have found >> more family members. >> >> Actually, Abbeylara is only about 3 miles from Granard, and the only >> church I know about in Abbeylara is that "lovely" ruined >> monastery. I suspect that the priest came to Abbeylara for a few >> hours and then recorded the data at Granard (or, perhaps the people >> made a journey to Granard for a marrige or baptism or funeral.) >> David >> >> At 05:24 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: >> >Hallo David >> > >> >Thanks for the site refererence. Can you tell me if the Granard baptisms >> >include Abbeylara? My Grandmother (Mary Jane Feeney) was baptised in >> >Abbeylara c1892 and I can't see her on the list. (I have a copy of her >> >baptism certificate somewhere). >> > >> >Thank you. >> > >> >Rhoda >> > >> > >> > >> >********************************** >> >Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ >> > >> >------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ********************************** >> Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Thank you David. Members of USGenWeb have received recent assurances that data on RW will not be taken and archived separately, or ever sold. The founder of RW (Brian) says by it very nature, RW has to be free to everyone. Given that, we must keep in mind that TGN through Ancestry has lied before, so cannot be trusted to keep RW free. Note that not long ago TGN said mastheads would go only on free pages accounts, and would not be placed on state/county related websites. With recent events we see that guarantee (promise) has already been broken. Our only guarantee of freedom and safety is to host our archives on a secure server that TGN has zero control over. That is safe and falls within our responsibility as leaders to keep archives and records kept by IGP project safe. Step by step we are doing this to protect our product. Chris will announce the completion of each step on the Yahoo mail list. Be sure to join that list so our business decisions can be considered in a confidential armosphere. don

Dear Pat, No. Our family was Catholic, and I have uncovered no mixed marriages at all among family members in Ireland. (There were a few that took place in the UK.) Father William's mother was a Leitrim Conefrey who married Dennis Gray from Moyne (Dromard Parish). Nancy -------------- Original message from <padams22@earthlink.net>: -------------- > Nancy, By any chance was your Fr.Wm. Gray related to George Gray who married > Jane Booker? They were from the Glenhil (SP?) area. Janes Father was an > anglican Priest Rev John Booker. > > Any bells ringing??? > > Pat Adams researching Booker, Gray, Dermody from Granard,Longford etc.... > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:23 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Hughes/Kelagher Marriage Dispensation > > > > Actually Abbeylara does have its own church--or chapel, as it would have > > been known during the British period--in addition to the ruined monastery. > > One of my distant cousins, Father William Gray, was parish priest there in > > the 1890s and must have baptized Rhoda's relative. > > > > Nancy > > -------------- Original message from "David A. Myers" > > : -------------- > > > > > >> HI Rhoda, > >> This is where we both need a map of the Granard area for 1800. > >> My family, CREAMER, is from Abbeylara and the records are listed > >> under "Granard." > >> I have also opened the other parishes listed and I have found > >> more family members. > >> > >> Actually, Abbeylara is only about 3 miles from Granard, and the only > >> church I know about in Abbeylara is that "lovely" ruined > >> monastery. I suspect that the priest came to Abbeylara for a few > >> hours and then recorded the data at Granard (or, perhaps the people > >> made a journey to Granard for a marrige or baptism or funeral.) > >> David > >> > >> At 05:24 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: > >> >Hallo David > >> > > >> >Thanks for the site refererence. Can you tell me if the Granard baptisms > >> >include Abbeylara? My Grandmother (Mary Jane Feeney) was baptised in > >> >Abbeylara c1892 and I can't see her on the list. (I have a copy of her > >> >baptism certificate somewhere). > >> > > >> >Thank you. > >> > > >> >Rhoda > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >********************************** > >> >Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > >> > > >> >------------------------------- > >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ********************************** > >> Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************** > > Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************** > Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Actually Abbeylara does have its own church--or chapel, as it would have been known during the British period--in addition to the ruined monastery. One of my distant cousins, Father William Gray, was parish priest there in the 1890s and must have baptized Rhoda's relative. Nancy -------------- Original message from "David A. Myers" <davidamyers@mindspring.com>: -------------- > HI Rhoda, > This is where we both need a map of the Granard area for 1800. > My family, CREAMER, is from Abbeylara and the records are listed > under "Granard." > I have also opened the other parishes listed and I have found > more family members. > > Actually, Abbeylara is only about 3 miles from Granard, and the only > church I know about in Abbeylara is that "lovely" ruined > monastery. I suspect that the priest came to Abbeylara for a few > hours and then recorded the data at Granard (or, perhaps the people > made a journey to Granard for a marrige or baptism or funeral.) > David > > At 05:24 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: > >Hallo David > > > >Thanks for the site refererence. Can you tell me if the Granard baptisms > >include Abbeylara? My Grandmother (Mary Jane Feeney) was baptised in > >Abbeylara c1892 and I can't see her on the list. (I have a copy of her > >baptism certificate somewhere). > > > >Thank you. > > > >Rhoda > > > > > > > >********************************** > >Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > > > >------------------------------- > >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ********************************** > Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes > in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you to everybody for the information on record availability It's much appreciated! June

Hi Dave, It is great to have the website back on line. This site is what got me 'going' on Longford genealogy. I has been a great resource for me. Thanks for all your work, Charlie King Dave wrote: Hi everybody. It took a while because the greedy fingers of Ancestry.Com are getting into Rootsweb. (I have uploaded valuable information with the clear understanding that it is to be available to the world for FREE. Ancestry has bought out the site and is charging for my information. That is called "stealing.") The site above has church records that go back to the mid 1700's. I hope it helps. --- print it off before Ancestry trys to charge you for it. David _____________________________________________________________ Click for free info on discount teaching degrees programs. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/REAK6ZpQl96pVe5JBLTcV8SNDm7x1SZVUNg9lr4PxZ51AHh0BI3lOs/

Hello all, I think I am confusing everyone now, I got the information from another list, sorry. Its 19th century british newspapers Sorry about that, but it is very interesting to read if you can manage to get on. -----Original Message----- From: irl-longford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-longford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: 21 March 2008 12:46 To: irl-longford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] British Newspapers June Can you tell me what this correspondence refers to, please? I joined the site in early March and can't remember seeing any message about British Newspapers. Thanks Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "June" <junecapstick1@yahoo.co.uk> To: <irl-longford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: [IRL-LONGFORD] British Newspapers > Thank you very much Annette! > > > > I have at last been able to view the pages. For those like me who were > unable to view, try clicking on "article" then at the top of the page you > should see "download", click that, then it will say "what format?" I just > left it as "PDF and current and page" and hey presto! > > > > Good luck and enjoy > > > > June > > ********************************** > Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Rhoda, It's the site everyones been trying to get onto over the past couple of days http://access.gale.com/gdctrial/login.html Some of us had difficulty accessing the information once we got onto the site, and some thought it no longer could be accessed. I've been on it this morning ----Original Message----- From: irl-longford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-longford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of CandROverson Sent: 21 March 2008 12:46 To: irl-longford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] British Newspapers June Can you tell me what this correspondence refers to, please? I joined the site in early March and can't remember seeing any message about British Newspapers. Thanks Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "June" <junecapstick1@yahoo.co.uk> To: <irl-longford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: [IRL-LONGFORD] British Newspapers > Thank you very much Annette! > > > > I have at last been able to view the pages. For those like me who were > unable to view, try clicking on "article" then at the top of the page you > should see "download", click that, then it will say "what format?" I just > left it as "PDF and current and page" and hey presto! > > > > Good luck and enjoy > > > > June > > ********************************** > Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Nancy, By any chance was your Fr.Wm. Gray related to George Gray who married Jane Booker? They were from the Glenhil (SP?) area. Janes Father was an anglican Priest Rev John Booker. Any bells ringing??? Pat Adams researching Booker, Gray, Dermody from Granard,Longford etc.... ----- Original Message ----- From: <ngray.phale@att.net> To: <irl-longford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Hughes/Kelagher Marriage Dispensation > Actually Abbeylara does have its own church--or chapel, as it would have > been known during the British period--in addition to the ruined monastery. > One of my distant cousins, Father William Gray, was parish priest there in > the 1890s and must have baptized Rhoda's relative. > > Nancy > -------------- Original message from "David A. Myers" > <davidamyers@mindspring.com>: -------------- > > >> HI Rhoda, >> This is where we both need a map of the Granard area for 1800. >> My family, CREAMER, is from Abbeylara and the records are listed >> under "Granard." >> I have also opened the other parishes listed and I have found >> more family members. >> >> Actually, Abbeylara is only about 3 miles from Granard, and the only >> church I know about in Abbeylara is that "lovely" ruined >> monastery. I suspect that the priest came to Abbeylara for a few >> hours and then recorded the data at Granard (or, perhaps the people >> made a journey to Granard for a marrige or baptism or funeral.) >> David >> >> At 05:24 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: >> >Hallo David >> > >> >Thanks for the site refererence. Can you tell me if the Granard baptisms >> >include Abbeylara? My Grandmother (Mary Jane Feeney) was baptised in >> >Abbeylara c1892 and I can't see her on the list. (I have a copy of her >> >baptism certificate somewhere). >> > >> >Thank you. >> > >> >Rhoda >> > >> > >> > >> >********************************** >> >Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ >> > >> >------------------------------- >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> ********************************** >> Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes >> in the subject and the body of the message > ********************************** > Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Rhoda, If you have the original baptism certificate, the baptizing priest probably did sign it. If you have a certificate issued later, it will be signed by the pastor (or secretary) at the time of issuance. It will list the name of the priest who actually baptized. David At 02:15 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote: >Nancy > >I will look for my Grandmother's baptism certificate - I assume the priest >would have signed it - and let you know if it was your relative. My >Grandmother was the second child and another 4 children were born in Granard >before the family moved to Lanarkshire, Scotland in 1898/9. So your >relative probably baptised those as well. > >Rhoda > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: <ngray.phale@att.net> >To: <irl-longford@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 7:23 PM >Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Hughes/Kelagher Marriage Dispensation > > > > Actually Abbeylara does have its own church--or chapel, as it would have > > been known during the British period--in addition to the ruined monastery. > > One of my distant cousins, Father William Gray, was parish priest there in > > the 1890s and must have baptized Rhoda's relative. > > > > Nancy > > -------------- Original message from "David A. Myers" > > <davidamyers@mindspring.com>: -------------- > > > > > >> HI Rhoda, > >> This is where we both need a map of the Granard area for 1800. > >> My family, CREAMER, is from Abbeylara and the records are listed > >> under "Granard." > >> I have also opened the other parishes listed and I have found > >> more family members. > >> > >> Actually, Abbeylara is only about 3 miles from Granard, and the only > >> church I know about in Abbeylara is that "lovely" ruined > >> monastery. I suspect that the priest came to Abbeylara for a few > >> hours and then recorded the data at Granard (or, perhaps the people > >> made a journey to Granard for a marrige or baptism or funeral.) > >> David > >> > >> At 05:24 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: > >> >Hallo David > >> > > >> >Thanks for the site refererence. Can you tell me if the Granard baptisms > >> >include Abbeylara? My Grandmother (Mary Jane Feeney) was baptised in > >> >Abbeylara c1892 and I can't see her on the list. (I have a copy of her > >> >baptism certificate somewhere). > >> > > >> >Thank you. > >> > > >> >Rhoda > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> >********************************** > >> >Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > >> > > >> >------------------------------- > >> >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > >> > >> ********************************** > >> Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > >> quotes > >> in the subject and the body of the message > > ********************************** > > Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > >********************************** >Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Don, Thanks for the background. Count me in. What list should I join? David At 01:59 PM 3/21/2008, you wrote: >Thank you David. > >Members of USGenWeb have received recent assurances that data on RW >will not be taken and archived separately, or ever sold. > >The founder of RW (Brian) says by it very nature, RW has to be free >to everyone. > >Given that, we must keep in mind that TGN through Ancestry has lied >before, so cannot be trusted to keep RW free. > >Note that not long ago TGN said mastheads would go only on free >pages accounts, and would not be placed on state/county related >websites. With recent events we see that guarantee (promise) has >already been broken. > >Our only guarantee of freedom and safety is to host our archives on >a secure server that TGN has zero control over. > >That is safe and falls within our responsibility as leaders to keep >archives and records kept by IGP project safe. > >Step by step we are doing this to protect our product. > >Chris will announce the completion of each step on the Yahoo mail list. > >Be sure to join that list so our business decisions can be >considered in a confidential armosphere. > >don > >********************************** >Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Any chance you could check James Dolan and James Caughlin for me? I know they were in Longford in the 1830s and that some of their children came to Canada (Ontario, Lambton County, Warwick Village) about then. Tx for anything you can do for me. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "celia ewald" <celia936@ec.rr.com> To: <irl-longford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 7:10 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Creamers and Kilbrides > Charlie King: If I'm not being toooooo pushy - might you take a look-see > for the names Fox, Thomas, and Catherine Newman? They are my > g-grandparents and all I know is that "they're from Longford." Thanks in > advance. If you don't have the time, that's okay, too. Thank you. Celia > Ewald > >> Hi David, >> The only book I have is the Rymsza's 'County Longford Residents Prior to >> the Famine'. In Rymsza's book I find the following Creamers and >> Kilbrides: >> >> Patrick Creamer....Aughabrack......Granard >> William Creamer....Aughabrack......Granard >> William Creamer....Robinstown......Granard >> Andrew Kilbride....Aughakilmore....Columbkille >> Bernard Kilbride...Balnacross......Granard >> Bernard Kilbride...Cartronbore.....Granard >> Bernard Kilbride...Gallad..........Granard >> James Kilbride & Co...Cloonart Galbraith......Mohill >> Mark Kilbride......Boninass.........Mohill >> Phelim Kilbride....Laugharagh & Brickpark...Street >> Terence Kilbride...Aughamore Lower...Columbkille >> > ********************************** > Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message

This is a great site and I look forward to Longford records being added BUT it is very expensive - 4 euros per hit to view full record. I have emailed them asking if they plan to introduce a subsription service. Maybe if more people ask for a cheaper way to research on this site they might take notice. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ced MCGRATH" <cbmcg@talktalk.net> To: <irl-longford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Records > Hi June > You may try the following - looks like Longford will soon be added. > > > > Central Search added to Irish Genealogical Online Record Search System > > > The Irish Family History Foundation is delighted to announce that its all > Ireland Online Research Service was launched on 12th March 2008 on the > Jeanie Johnston Famine Ship in Dublin, by Minister Seamus Brennan, and > Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness. see RTE news report > > The online data is comprised of almost 9 million church and civil records > of baptism, birth, marriage and death and these records are available to > search for the first time on one database. To mark the launch, and in > celebration of St. Patrick's Day, a special offer price of ?5.00 per > record will apply until the end of March 2008. > > The website has also undergone a redesign. Take a look at our all Ireland > Search and search across all counties currently online of any combination > that you wish. > > The birth, baptism, marriage and death records of Cavan Genealogy have > been added to the online service as part of this launch, adding another > 1/3 million records. > > Further counties will go online in the coming weeks including Antrim, > Donegal, Down, Sligo, Longford and Wicklow. > > If you have any questions or comments please check our FAQ and if this > does not provide an answer, then do not hesitate to contact us. > > Yours sincerely > IFHF > > Note: You received this message because you are registered with one or > more of the Irish Family History Foundation websites. However, if you > don't want to receive emails from us we won't send them! To unsubscribe > from future email alerts, login to any of the above sites and alter your > Mailing list preferences under My Account. > ********************************** > Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

June Can you tell me what this correspondence refers to, please? I joined the site in early March and can't remember seeing any message about British Newspapers. Thanks Rhoda ----- Original Message ----- From: "June" <junecapstick1@yahoo.co.uk> To: <irl-longford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:00 AM Subject: [IRL-LONGFORD] British Newspapers > Thank you very much Annette! > > > > I have at last been able to view the pages. For those like me who were > unable to view, try clicking on "article" then at the top of the page you > should see "download", click that, then it will say "what format?" I just > left it as "PDF and current and page" and hey presto! > > > > Good luck and enjoy > > > > June > > ********************************** > Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hallo David Thanks for the site refererence. Can you tell me if the Granard baptisms include Abbeylara? My Grandmother (Mary Jane Feeney) was baptised in Abbeylara c1892 and I can't see her on the list. (I have a copy of her baptism certificate somewhere). Thank you. Rhoda

Hi June You may try the following - looks like Longford will soon be added. Central Search added to Irish Genealogical Online Record Search System The Irish Family History Foundation is delighted to announce that its all Ireland Online Research Service was launched on 12th March 2008 on the Jeanie Johnston Famine Ship in Dublin, by Minister Seamus Brennan, and Deputy First Minister Martin McGuinness. see RTE news report The online data is comprised of almost 9 million church and civil records of baptism, birth, marriage and death and these records are available to search for the first time on one database. To mark the launch, and in celebration of St. Patrick's Day, a special offer price of ?5.00 per record will apply until the end of March 2008. The website has also undergone a redesign. Take a look at our all Ireland Search and search across all counties currently online of any combination that you wish. The birth, baptism, marriage and death records of Cavan Genealogy have been added to the online service as part of this launch, adding another 1/3 million records. Further counties will go online in the coming weeks including Antrim, Donegal, Down, Sligo, Longford and Wicklow. If you have any questions or comments please check our FAQ and if this does not provide an answer, then do not hesitate to contact us. Yours sincerely IFHF Note: You received this message because you are registered with one or more of the Irish Family History Foundation websites. However, if you don't want to receive emails from us we won't send them! To unsubscribe from future email alerts, login to any of the above sites and alter your Mailing list preferences under My Account.

I had thought the buyout was more recent. That is why I no longer give them anything. Cannot we "good" people get together and give information to eachother for FREE? At 05:44 AM 3/21/2008, yankees_out_west wrote: >Ancestry owns rootsweb as of about two years ago. Anything you put on >rootsweb automatically goes to ancestry. > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "David A. Myers" <davidamyers@mindspring.com> >To: <irl-longford@rootsweb.com>; <irl-longford@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 1:53 AM >Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Hughes/Kelagher Marriage Dispensation > > > > > > > > http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irllog/churchrecs.htm > > > > Hi everybody. It took a while because the greedy fingers of > > Ancestry.Com are getting into Rootsweb. (I have uploaded valuable > > information with the clear understanding that it is to be available > > to the world for FREE. Ancestry has bought out the site and is > > charging for my information. That is called "stealing.") > > > > The site above has church records that go back to the mid > > 1700's. I hope it helps. --- print it off before Ancestry trys > > to charge you for it. > > > > David > > > > > > > > At 10:00 AM 3/20/2008, ngray.phale@att.net wrote: > >>Charlie, > >> > >>I think you should also consider affinity (in addition to > >>consanguinity) as the reason for the need of a > >>dispenstation. Perhaps, David, you could give Charlie your thinking on > >>that? > >> > >>The "obli." in the record is probably irrelevant to the facts in the > >>case. My reading would be that it is an abbreviation for > >>obligata(...), the ending of the full word dependent on the case of > >>"dispensation" in the original Latin record. That would simply mean > >>that the dispensation was required, and the fact that the > >>dispensation is noted has already told the reader that. > >> > >>Nancy > >>-------------- Original message from "king133@juno.com" > >><king133@juno.com>: -------------- > >> > >> > >> > Hi Dave, > >> > Great to have you as a Latin 'reference'. My father was > >> disappointed, to say the > >> > least, when I elected to take French rather than Latin in High School. > >> > Taking a look at the first marriage ceremony it looks like the > >> witnesses were: > >> > Patrick Fehely and Anna Reynolds > >> > Taking a look at the wording in second marriage ceremony and > >> comparing it with > >> > the wording in the first ceremony: > >> > ...the wording is exactly the same EXCEPT for an addition at the > >> END of the > >> > record which reads "dispensation(e?) obli??" and > >> > ...the witnesses were: Charles M?Cann and Bridget Hughes. > >> > > >> > I think that the theory that there was a relationship between the > >> Kelagher and > >> > Hughes family is a strong possibility. I don't know this but I > >> could be (GUESS) > >> > that Bridget Hughes in the second marriage may have been the > >> mother or aunt of > >> > James Hughes who knew more than James was 'privy' too concerning family > >> > relationships. > >> > Yes, conjecture, but very interesting stuff. > >> > > >> > Thanks for the help, > >> > Charlie King > >> > gg grandson of James Hughes > >> > and Bridget Kelagher of Co. Longford > >> > > >> > Father David wrote: > >> > Hi Charlie, > >> > You came to the right guy. I not only speak Latin fluently (with > >> > myself), but also taught it in high school (1960's). > >> > Patricio is a guy: Patrick. > >> > Anna is a gal. > >> > Carolo is Charles. Was it Charles McCann? > >> > A "casulo/casulum" is a "case" like a "legal case." > >> > The dispensation issue would have been the legal case. If there was > >> > "newly discovered evidence" after the initial marriage that, without > >> > the dispensation, would have rendered the marriage invalid, they > >> > would have had to get the dispensation and then do the marriage > >> over again. > >> > Soooooo... maybe there were two marriage ceremonies, 4 days > >> > apart. Probably the second one would have been very simple, just to > >> > "correct" the first one, and they used the first two witnesses they > >> > could find (or, witnesses whom they could trust not to divulge the > >> > original error. ?????) > >> > Do you think the groom, James Hughes, could have been related to the > >> > second witness, Bridget Hughes? and that she spilled the beans > >> > about Bridget Kelagher being their cousin? Such intrigue ! ! > >> > David > >> > > >> > > >> > _____________________________________________________________ > >> > Click here for the latest quotes on great fixed mortgage loans! > >> > > >> > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iiglzQMCe6llnk4hbAfzZ8VAzPyj95r > >> > >> > nz0VFuDXF8gr1204GY/ > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > ********************************** > >> > Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes > >> > in the subject and the body of the message > >>********************************** > >>Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > >> > >>------------------------------- > >>To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >>IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >>without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ********************************** > > Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >********************************** >Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

HI Rhoda, This is where we both need a map of the Granard area for 1800. My family, CREAMER, is from Abbeylara and the records are listed under "Granard." I have also opened the other parishes listed and I have found more family members. Actually, Abbeylara is only about 3 miles from Granard, and the only church I know about in Abbeylara is that "lovely" ruined monastery. I suspect that the priest came to Abbeylara for a few hours and then recorded the data at Granard (or, perhaps the people made a journey to Granard for a marrige or baptism or funeral.) David At 05:24 AM 3/21/2008, you wrote: >Hallo David > >Thanks for the site refererence. Can you tell me if the Granard baptisms >include Abbeylara? My Grandmother (Mary Jane Feeney) was baptised in >Abbeylara c1892 and I can't see her on the list. (I have a copy of her >baptism certificate somewhere). > >Thank you. > >Rhoda > > > >********************************** >Longford Genealogy Website: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > >------------------------------- >To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >IRL-LONGFORD-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you very much Annette! I have at last been able to view the pages. For those like me who were unable to view, try clicking on "article" then at the top of the page you should see "download", click that, then it will say "what format?" I just left it as "PDF and current and page" and hey presto! Good luck and enjoy June

Hi I found this on the internet which seems to refer to the family tree program not the extra cd's but thought it might be worth trying "Family Tree Maker on Vista. It is running fine for me after applying this update for people now using Family Tree Maker 2005, 2006 or 16:" http://www.familytreemaker.com/vistaupdate/Default.aspx (Make sure you follow the directions closely!) I hope it works - please post if it does work as I am worrying about replacing my computer and would have the same problems on vista ----- Original Message ----- From: "conaught2" <conaught2@charter.net> To: <irl-longford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Census question HI Brenda, I have to apologize because I can't look the information up today. My computer was on it's last leg and it had to be replaced. I have been hearing about the nightmare of the new operating system Vista and have tried to postpone getting the new computer. Unfortunately I have to do the income tax and had to get a new one. My daughter has been transferring files etc all week and it is a MAJOR HEADACHE!. Most of the software on the old computer will not work on the new one because of Vista. I purchased the new version of Family Tree Maker but now the CDs I have for it won't work. The Griffith's Valuation, Tithes Applotment, Spinning Wheel Premium List and many more CDs are not working. I have to call and have a horrible feeling I will have to replace them all thanks to Bill Gates and Vista. It will take about a week before I can get you the information. Hopefully somebody else on the list might have the Griffith's Valuation Index CD by Broderbund. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bren" <bren@sussexbythesea.demon.co.uk> To: <irl-longford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 9:23 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Census question Hi Margaret, The name I am researching in Longford is Morris. My ggg grandfather was called John Morris and was born in 1800 in Longford. Unfortunately that is all I know. I think he was probably a Catholic but I'm not totally sure. He grew up to be a whipmaker but I don't know if that was a family trade. Thank you very much for your help. Brenda -----Original Message----- From: irl-longford-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-longford-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of conaught2 Sent: 20 March 2008 12:40 To: irl-longford@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Census question Hi Brenda, Many of the older records no longer exist. To answer your earlier question about whether your relative was referring to Longford the town or county, it is difficult to say. From what I have found over the years, is that immigrants usually listed the largest town closest to their own townland. My Grandfather Smith was born in 1858 in Brackloon, Swinford, County Mayo, but yet he told his children he was from Swinford. My Grandfather Dowdall (born 1884) from County Derry was very precise and made his children learn his address - Ballygruby, Moneymore, County Derry, Irleand. What are the names you are researching? The names can be checked against the Griffith's Valuation Index to see what area they came from, hopefully it isn't a name that is located throughout County Longford. "Irish Records", by James Ryan lists each county and what records are available for that county. For church records he divides the information by religions and then lists the years the records are available and where they are located. Some church records are available through the National Library and the LDS Family History Center, while others are still under local control. It is intereseting that David was able to obtain church records from the 1780s and 1790s because in Ryan's book for the Civil Parish of Abbeylara he states the earliest marriage records are from 1855 and for births it is 1822. Previously I thought the information regarding the dates of the records were accurate but David's information gives us hope that if we check the individual parish church we just might get lucky. Most of the census records along with many other irreplaceable records were destroyed in the Four Courts explosion and fire in 1922. The Griffith's Valuation is not a census but is used as a substitute for the mid 1800s. The earliest census is Pender's 1659 Census but it doesn't list everyone. There are various other records for various areas of Longford. The 1796 Spinning Wheel Premium List doesn't list the townlands but the parish. All those who planted 1 acre or more of Flax was given a spinning wheel. The list tells how many spinning wheels the family was given (it was determined by how many acres of flax was planted). Hopefully with the surname it can be determined which parish your relative came from. Beannachtai, Margaret (Máiread) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bren" <bren@sussexbythesea.demon.co.uk> To: <irl-longford@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LONGFORD] Census question > Thanks. Can you tell me where I can find records of births in Longford > around 1800, and also any census's? > > Brenda > > I have a general question that hopefully all those that know about Ireland > better than I do will be able to answer! One of my ancestors listed his > birth place on the England 1861 census as "Ireland, Longford". What I > would > like to know is does this mean the town of Longford or is it more likely > to > mean the county? 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