------------Forwarded Message Follows------------ This message is being forwarded to the mailing list by the List Manager for the subscriber listed below, because the mailing list was temporarily off line when the message was received. © MM --------------------------------------------------------- -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [LONGFORD~] Griffith's Valuation Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2000 07:43:18 -0700 From: "Christina Hunt" <Ninah@ix.netcom.com> To: <IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Hello...just a comment abt the organization of the Griffiths CD. It is by last name, Fist name and then county. So you can't do a whole surname in a county. They are mixed up. Christina ----- Original Message ----- From: "eileen farrell" <freshman@flash.net> To: <IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, July 04, 2000 9:28 PM Subject: [LONGFORD~] Griffith's Valuation > If anyone has access to Griffith's Valuation, I would appreciate their > looking up "Farrell" and "Riley" in County Longford. Thanks. > Eileen >

If anyone has access to Griffith's Valuation, I would appreciate their looking up "Farrell" and "Riley" in County Longford. Thanks. Eileen

Rachel. You are such a great resource. Please do not ever leave the list. Just got back from trip to Longford County and will be posting more info soon about our trip. In the meantime , please stay on board. Regards Carol Mounts in Washington PA >>From: kgburke@pacbell.net >>Subject: [LONGFORD~] Griffith's Valuation-1854 >>Many thanks, Joan Duignan Burke > >I can provide you a lookup in David Leahy's index to Griffith's, survivors >of the Great Famine: >

At 12:00 PM 6/30/00 -0700, you wrote: >IRL-LONGFORD-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 88 > >Today's Topics: > #1 [LONGFORD~] Griffith's Valuation-1 [kgburke@pacbell.net] >Date: Thu, 29 Jun 2000 23:50:19 -0700 >From: kgburke@pacbell.net >Subject: [LONGFORD~] Griffith's Valuation-1854 >To: IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com >Message-id: <395C432B.896D9689@postoffice.pacbell.net> >Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >X-Message: #1 > >This is my second attempt to request a look-up. I think I found out >what I was doing wrong the first time and was not able to receive the >information. Could the person who sent the response the first >time,please try again: I'm looking for Patrick Duignan of Ballinamuck. >Is there a Griffith's Primary Valuation CD ? If so, how does one get it? > >Many thanks, Joan Duignan Burke I can provide you a lookup in David Leahy's index to Griffith's, survivors of the Great Famine: David lists Patrick Duignan as follows: Tennalick, Taghshinny Ph. Carrickmaguirk, Columbkille Kiltycreevah (2 holdings), Killoe Leggah (2 holdings), Killoe Kiltyreher (Killoe) To get the acreage and land owner's name you do need to see the Griffith's listing, but you now know the townland and parish where he is recorded. Don't know about the CD, but you can order a photocopy from National Archives, Four Courts, Dublin 7. Write for a quote, sending a couple of IRC's, and I suggest you ask whether you may send a check in US money. Rachel Smith

This is my second attempt to request a look-up. I think I found out what I was doing wrong the first time and was not able to receive the information. Could the person who sent the response the first time,please try again: I'm looking for Patrick Duignan of Ballinamuck. Is there a Griffith's Primary Valuation CD ? If so, how does one get it? Many thanks, Joan Duignan Burke

Sent message June 27 asking for look-up in Griffith's for Patrick Duignan of Ballinamuck. Rec. answer later in day, "Message too large",etc but so far nothing further. Now what? Joan Duignan Burke IRL-LONGFORD-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: > Subject: > > IRL-LONGFORD-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 85 > > Today's Topics: > #1 [LONGFORD~] Re: Disc. Map 34 [Mike Summerer <msummerer@loudoun.c] > #2 [LONGFORD~] Re: Griffith's Valuati [Dick.McCoach@McCoach.com] > > Administrivia: > All messages posted to this mailing list remain the copyrighted > property of the poster. They may not be copied, reused, resent or > reposted to any other location without the written consent of the > original author. > > If you'd like to read all previous messages that have been sent to this > list, go to the archives of the list that are located at: > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/IRL-LONGFORD-L/ > and > http://searches.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/listsearch.pl?list=irl-longford > and: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/Longford > and: > http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/Ireland/General © MM > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [LONGFORD~] Re: Disc. Map 34 > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 10:18:08 -0400 > From: Mike Summerer <msummerer@loudoun.com> > To: IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com > > Pete, > Thank you for your reply. > > Could explain what is Disc. map 34 ? > The coordinates you associated with each town, > Could give me a third reference point, like Arvagh > so I could triangulate and interpolate the position > of Ballyduffy and Farmullagh ? > > Thanks Again > Mike Summerer > > PeteScherm@aol.com wrote: > > > Mike, > > > > All four of these townlands are within a two-mile diameter circle. If you > > look on Disc. map 34, they are located at: Moyne 245 965, Ballyduffy 235 > > 974, Farmullagh 230 963 and Leggagh 233 945. As I'm sure you know, these are > > at the very northern tip of Longford, where it joins Leitrim and Cavan. The > > largest nearby settlement would be Arvagh, Co. Cavan. about 3 miles ENE of > > the four townlands. > > > > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts > > ______________________________ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Subject: [LONGFORD~] Re: Griffith's Valuation-1854] > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 18:27:55 -0400 > From: Dick.McCoach@McCoach.com > To: IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com > > ----------------MESSAGE TOO LARGE----------------------- > This message is being forwarded to the list by the List Manager > for the subscriber listed below because the message as submitted > was rejected by the list software as being too large to be processed > in the normal manner. Therefore the List Manager had to override > the size limitation to allow it to go forward. The software > at this > list is set to reject any message exceeding 10k. The > solution to > the size limitation would be to break your message up into > segments no greater than 10k . © MM > - ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > -------- Original Message -------- > Subject: Re: Griffith's Valuation-1854 > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2000 00:17:57 -0700 > From: kgburke@pacbell.net > Reply-To: kgburke@pacbell.net > To: IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com > > Hello Sheila, Could you do a look-up for Patrick Duignan of > Ballinamuck in Griffith's? Thank you Joan Duignan Burke

Hello all, Just reposting my Longford Surnames from around Newtownforbes. James DREW married to Jane McMREDDEN Children Robert born about 1862 Mary Jane born about 1872 and possibly a William Robert was by Grandfather. Was there any Census's taken about 1870 and if so, are they indexed? Cheers and thanks, -- Dave Prince VK4KDP Ipswich, Queensland, Australia davprin@gil.com.au http://www.home.gil.com.au/~davprin

Fellow Listers, Below is Information, that I received from Longford County Heritage Center. Fee was $75.00 paid by personal check. They searched all their records, apologized for only finding info below and added that they would keep my request on file and inform me if they came across more information. Since I cannot 'connect' with any of these Claffeys at this time, have posted under "Lost and Found" on "Claffey Home Page" at URL http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~camounts/indexc.html Have a good day. Carol Mounts Information for Longford Heritage Center (To Carol Ann Claffey Mounts) 1 Church Street, Longford County Longford . Republic of Ireland Telephone 043 41235 (preceded by International # 001) E-Mail longford@iol.ie Death Record Name Mary Claffey Parish Edgeworthstown Date of Death 18 November 1863 Denomination Roman Catholic Marital Status Spinster Name Anna Claffey Parish Shrule (Ballymahon) Date of Death 13 October 1874 Denomination Roman Catholic Marital Status Not recorded Marriage Record Husband Thomas Claffey Wife Catherine Dooner Marriage Date 16 August 1813 Parish Granard

Mike, The Discovery Series maps, 89 in all, cover all of Ireland and locate all of the townlands. Map # 34 covers much of Cavan, parts of Leitrim and Longford. Arvagh, in Co. Cavan, is located at 275 970 on this map but, I'm afraid, without a decent map, there will be not much value to you in all of these coordinates. In case you can't locate Arvagh itself, Cavan town is a further about-12 miles nearly NE of Arvagh. Cavan town is located at 420 050. All I can say is - good luck. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

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Hi Sheila Would you mind checking for any reference to Cassidy or Dimond/Dymond in Dromard or Drumlish parishes? Many thanks Beryl in Melbourne Australia PS I bought the book that has been written on Carrigallen Parish while I was at Ballinamore Heritage Centre, but it's still somewhere on the water between Ireland and Australia. Posted it home. The author suggested that my family's townland of Gortermone, which is right on the Leitrim/Longford border, was one of the places worst hit by the Big Wind in 1837 (?). Which would explain why most ofl the families that were there in the 1830s were gone in the 1850s. Also bought a book on the Big Wind but that's still blowing on the water too. <G> ----- Original Message ----- From: "smf" <smf@ican.net> To: <IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 2:22 PM Subject: Re: [LONGFORD] Griffith's Valuation > Hi > David Leahy's book "County Longford, Survivors of the Great Famine" lists > all the heads of families living in county Longford in 1854 at the time of > Griffith's Valuation. >

Pete, Thank you for your reply. Could explain what is Disc. map 34 ? The coordinates you associated with each town, Could give me a third reference point, like Arvagh so I could triangulate and interpolate the position of Ballyduffy and Farmullagh ? Thanks Again Mike Summerer PeteScherm@aol.com wrote: > Mike, > > All four of these townlands are within a two-mile diameter circle. If you > look on Disc. map 34, they are located at: Moyne 245 965, Ballyduffy 235 > 974, Farmullagh 230 963 and Leggagh 233 945. As I'm sure you know, these are > at the very northern tip of Longford, where it joins Leitrim and Cavan. The > largest nearby settlement would be Arvagh, Co. Cavan. about 3 miles ENE of > the four townlands. > > Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

In a message dated 6/26/00 8:01:33 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Mike Summerer writes: << Where would Ballyduffy and Fermalagh be with respect to Moyne and Leggah? >> Mike, All four of these townlands are within a two-mile diameter circle. If you look on Disc. map 34, they are located at: Moyne 245 965, Ballyduffy 235 974, Farmullagh 230 963 and Leggagh 233 945. As I'm sure you know, these are at the very northern tip of Longford, where it joins Leitrim and Cavan. The largest nearby settlement would be Arvagh, Co. Cavan. about 3 miles ENE of the four townlands. Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Try http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/killoebaptmc.htm There are 30-40 McLoughlins included in the Killoe, Longford baptisms. They will shortly be joined by some Kenny's. Regards, Cliff ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Pack <eppack@cable-lynx.net> To: <IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, June 25, 2000 5:34 AM Subject: Re: [LONGFORD] Griffith's Valuation > regarding this query, I am unable to find any McLaughlins in Longford in > Griffiths Valuation. On the other hand there seems to be a great number of > Kennys in that County. If specific names and Parishes could be supplied, I > would be willing to see if I could find those that are required. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <McCurit@aol.com> > To: <IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2000 10:34 AM > Subject: [LONGFORD] Griffith's Valuation > > > > If anyone has access to Griffith's Valuation I would like to know if > > McLaughlin and Kenny are listed in County Longford. Thanks > > > >

Go to www.longford.local.ie/genealogy/ Click on Catholic Parishes of Longford, it will give you a map you can print out. Ardagh-Moydow will be added to www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ within the month, Granard parish will be posted next. Check site often

I need to check for records for my GGrandfather John McLoughlin(McLoaghlin) I believe he was born around 1860 Was this John in any of these Parishes? How do I find these records? Parish of Ardagh, Moydow, Taghsheenod or Templemichael. Thanks Jack McLaughlin

At 02:00 AM 6/26/00 -0700, you wrote: >IRL-LONGFORD-D Digest Volume 00 : Issue 82 > #1 Message #2 of IRL-LONGFORD-D Diges [Rachel & Bob Smith <rachel-robert.] > #2 [LONGFORD] :Re Austin and McKnight ["Richard Callanan" <RichardCallana] > #3 [LONGFORD] Re: IRL-LONGFORD-D Dige [McCurit@aol.com] ______________________________ >Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 21:36:24 EDT >From: McCurit@aol.com >Subject: [LONGFORD] Re: IRL-LONGFORD-D Digest V00 #81(kenny) >To: IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com >Message-id: <bd.4958364.26880d98@aol.com> >Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII >Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT >X-Message: #3 > >In a message dated 6/25/00 11:06:55 AM US Mountain Standard Time, >IRL-LONGFORD-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: > ><< He found two pages of Kenny's. What first names are you interested > in? >> >Rachel, I am afraid >I don't have much information. Margaret Kenny b. Aug 15, 1885 in County >Longford. >Her father was James probably 20 - 30 at her birth. 1855- 1865. Mother was >either >Elizabeth Cox or Sheridan. Help me solve this puzzle. I have looked at the James Kennys for you, and it would be worth it for you to order a print of the Griffiths returns. They seem to have been substantial land holders. As Mr. Callanan reminded in the #82 issue, more than one entry for a name may show either one individual with various holdings or more than one person of that name. Checking the wonderful map in Leahy's index<http://homepage.eircom.net/~daveleahy/, I find that the numerous entries are close or contiguous, strongly suggesting this could be one James. The Griffiths reports will tell you who owned the land for which the tax was levied, whether James or a landlord. If it adds up to a lot of acreage, you are likely to win either way, because there are apt to be registered leases or deeds with a lot of genealogical information. There were a James,sen. and James,jr. at Druming and James at Cloonmore in Kilglass Ph. James at Cornadowagh in Cashel Ph Ballybranigan in Shrule Forgney in Forgney Lisrevagh in Rathcline Cornollen in Clongesh Ballindagny and Cullyvore in Mostrim Drumderg in Clonbroney In Ardagh: Carnan, Crossea North, Keeeloges, Moor, Rathvaldron In Killoe: Aghaboy, Clontumpher, Creeve, Derrynacross, Kiltyreher To order the prints, or get a price quotation, write to the National Archives, Four Courts, Dublin 7. By reading the details of the entry you may get a clue which was the place the family lived, which they managed. My family had a number of leased holdings they sublet or rented, just a couple of places they came to own. This was the middleman system, a way the major landlords got their property managed. It turned out to be bad during the famine when the middleman had to collect rent to render his own obligation, because they had limited room to mitigate the misery. Once you know the landlord, you can engage a record agent to search the deed indexes at Henrietta Street Registry for deeds described [landlord's name] to Kenny. If the agent finds such listings you can order prints for four Irish punts apiece, what I was charged recently. The indexes are by spans of years, and it is possible to learn generations of a family from the information in them. Have the agent take a look also for deeds around the time of the parents marriage described Cox to Kenney, and Sheridan to Kenney, in the possibility of a marriage settlement deed. Right at that time, though, I don't think that type were as common as a few decades earlier, at least in my own family's records. Deeds are great because they are for long periods often described as "lives" as they might run for the life of a named son of a specified age, perhaps of sons of both lessee and less, or of some relative or in-law close enough to be a trustee or guardian. Rachel Smith

According to RC parish Dromard records on microfilm at the LDS Peter Kiernan, born about 1840 married on 12 Oct 1868 Catherine Masterson who died 10 Sept 1880 at Ballyduffy. Also in the burial records I found: 2 Jan 1878 John Masterson of Fermalagh 25 Jan 1878 Patrick Kiernan of Ballyduffy ("Tom") 3 Mar 1878 Bridgit Masterson of Fermalagh 29 Apr 1878 Margaret Kiernan of Ballyduffy (uxor Thomas) Are there any pre-famine records available where I may search for his birth or christening records. In christening records at RC parish Drumlish, I found 31 Jan 1847 Catherine daughter of John Masterson & Bridget Reilly Where would Ballyduffy and Fermalagh be with respect to Moyne and Leggah? Any information or suggestions would be appreciated. Thank You Mike Summerer

------------Forwarded Message Follows------------ This message is being forwarded to the mailing list by the List Manager because the sender listed below inadvertently sent the message to me instead of to the list. © MM --------------------------------------------------------- -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [LONGFORD] Going to Longford -needs advice etc] Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2000 18:48:24 +1000 From: "Beryl O'Gorman" <wordweav@bigpond.net.au> To: <Dick.McCoach@McCoach.com> Hi Janis My Leitrim ancestors lived in the parish of Carrigallen, townland of Gortermone, which is right on the Leitrim/Longford border. Hence my visit to Longford Heritage Centre was to establish if there were possibly connections in the parish that touched on that border. Matty Dymond married Martin Cassidy in approximately 1830. I have established that Dymond/Dimond and Cassidy are both Longford names, and there were many Cassidys in the parish that borders on Co Leitrim. Dymond/Dimond is not a common name in Ireland. Apart from that I have made no definite breakthroughs, but need to do more work. An old 1823 or 33 census for the parish which still exists has one Dymond family in Gortermone, who would doubtless be connected with my line, but have so far been unable to work out what that connection is, as the husband was either dead or away from home on the day of the census. Keep in touch. Regards Beryl in Melbourne Australia ------------Forwarded Message Follows------------ This message is being forwarded to the mailing list by the List Manager for the subscriber listed below, because the mailing list was temporarily off line when the message was received. © MM - ------------------------------------------------------- -------- Original Message -------- Subject:Going to Longford -needs advice etc Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2000 17:05:29 -0700 From: janis eulste ulstein <ulsteinj@juno.com> To: IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com Hi, Beryl, I just read your message of June 22, 2000, and noticed you have Dymond ancestors. My Diamonds came from Ballybrien, Granard. My gt gt grandfather was a James Diamond who settled in Ontario, Canada and his daughter Elizabeth (Eliza) married Smyth Cooke (Leitrim T) and was my gt grandmother. I have written to Longford Roots just this week and hope to get more information. David Leahy has been very kind and helpful. You are my second contact this week and I am thrilled to finally get some results. Will be glad to share results from Heritage Center when they reply. An earlier James Diamond was on the flax growers. Would like to hear from you. Janis E. Ulstein (Jan) e-mail: ulsteinj@juno.com or: janisulstein@hotmail.com ______________________________

Rachel Smith wrote: "David Leahy's index lists Abraham Austin at Cartronbrack, and two John Austins at Barry and Barry Village in Taghshinny Civil Parish." The 'two John Austins' may be just one. People are listed more than once in Griffith's if they hold land from different landlords or in different townlands. The full survey describes the holding in terms like: "house, offices and land" or "land". If "house" is listed only once then it is likely there is only one tenant of that name. Richard Callanan London, England. [researching McGuinness, Cox and Gearty in Longford and Roscommon]