Hello: Have noted your ref. to searching the surname GORMAN. I also am searching that surname, connected in one of my main lines & w/some ref. to Co. Longford. ie: Patrick LEAVY/LEARY b ca 1808 - Omorstown, Co. Longford, Ire. + Mary HICKEY d/o ??? b 19 Oct. 1810 - Killarney, Co. Kerry, Ire. 2 Joseph LEAVY s/o Patrick & Mary HICKEY b ca 1825 - ???, Ireland + Mary GORMAN d/o Patrick & Mary HAGEN b ca 1840 - ??? m ??? This couple both d 1904/1906 respectively & are buried @ Ste-Clothilde, Chat., QC ------------------ Timothy GORMAN & Bridget KENNEDY (no info) Daniel GORMAN s/o Timothy & Bridget + Ann RYAN d/o William & Bridget MORE m 6 Aug. 1844 - St-Jean Chrysostome, Chat., QC Bridget GORMAN d/o Daniel & Ann + Thomas BARRON s/o William & Bridget POWER m 21 Oct. 1873 - St-Jean Chrysostome, Chat., QC ---------------- Do you see any connection to your GORMANs? Bev Searching: KELLY/LEARY/LEAVY/GORMAN/RYAN/McMANUS/ FERGUSON/POWER & many more, closely related.

Looking for information about my Grnadparents. Peter M McLoughlin b.1884 in Druming, Ballymahon. Son of John and Mary Farrell John may have died after Peter's birth and Mary may have remarried. Margaret Kenny b. 1885 in Carickboy. She was the daughter of James and Elizabeth Cox. They emmigrated to USA and were married and Did in Worcester, MA Jack McLaughlin in AZ mccurit@aol.com

i think one reason might be that this area was a hotbed of the 1798 rebellion. the heslins were exciled in mass for setting fires to warn the french-irish of the brits landing. my dennings were strong there and disappeared before 1830 pre famine and chelsea dennings were there 1820 by 1850 they were thriving there. i wouldnt be supprised is the brits wanted to erase all ties to the rebellion and the united irishmen jim denning In a message dated Fri, 10 Nov 2000 7:29:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, PeteScherm@aol.com writes: << In a message dated 11/10/00 6:29:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, IRL-LONGFORD-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << There seems to alot of confusion here. Is there anyone who can put this straight? >> Looking at Longford maps of both the civil parishes, I can say this much. Clonbroney civil and RC parish boundaries are identical. Drumlish RC parish is a part of the much larger Killoe civil parish. The remainder of Killoe civil parish is represented as Killoe RC parish. And now, the part that I don't understand. From looking at the map, it appears that when the church drew the parish lines, separating Drumlish RC and Killoe RC parishes - - - they drew the line so that the town of Drumlish was left behind, in Killoe RC parish. Go figure !! Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts ==== IRL-LONGFORD Mailing List ==== Try your luck if you're looking for ancestors in Pennsylvania, USA: Subscribe to the Pennsylvania Census Lookup list: mailto:PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe >>

In a message dated 11/10/00 6:29:11 PM Eastern Standard Time, IRL-LONGFORD-D-request@rootsweb.com writes: << There seems to alot of confusion here. Is there anyone who can put this straight? >> Looking at Longford maps of both the civil parishes, I can say this much. Clonbroney civil and RC parish boundaries are identical. Drumlish RC parish is a part of the much larger Killoe civil parish. The remainder of Killoe civil parish is represented as Killoe RC parish. And now, the part that I don't understand. From looking at the map, it appears that when the church drew the parish lines, separating Drumlish RC and Killoe RC parishes - - - they drew the line so that the town of Drumlish was left behind, in Killoe RC parish. Go figure !! Pete Schermerhorn, in the glorious Berkshire hills of western Massachusetts

Forbes Lithograph Mnfg. Co chelsea ma? any one got any info i think this is the forbes from longsford co. my family is anyone with dnnin it dinnan dennen denning dinnin dinnihy dinniston ect. they disapeared from the area about 1800 propably because of the 1798 rebellion they came to chelsea ma with others . lol some worked for forbes litiographers and printers my terory is that they came there cause some employers who hired them in ireland went there . now it seems some were forbes. jim all denning-dever-cogan in mass-some malone-carroll-mcguire-doherty-mcneil-piscopo-mazzola-heslin-martini-feddis-fa rley-dennen-dinan-fredricks- ____________________________________ "we go to school to learn the words of fools" bob dylan

CLONBRONEY PARISH MARRIAGES Year Month Husband Wife 1890 9 Gaffney, Roger..........McGrath, Margaret Ann 1856 2 Gafney, James...........McCoy, Ellenor 1858 6 Gafny, Thomas...........Sweeny, Elizabeth 1882 11 Galagher, William.......Mulligan, Ann 1871 4 Gealan, James...........Kenna, Mary 1860 8 Gearty, Patrick.........Reynolds, Elizabeth 1866 8 Gibbny, Thomas..........Conlon, Margaret 1851 2 Gilchrist, Patrick......O'Neal, Eileen 1858 1 Gordan, James...........Brady, Bridget 1874 1 Gorman, Bartholonew.....Telan,? Margaret 1828 5 Gorman, Bernard.........Conlan, Margaret 1862 5 Gorman, John............Murtagh, Margaret 1896 10 Gorman, John............Judge, Elizabeth 1855 2 Gorman, Patrick.........Lee, Alison 1878 11 Gorman, Patrick.........O'Neill, Bridget 1858 10 Gray, Charles...........Doile, Marian 1869 11 Green, John.............Connelly, Elizabeth 1872 2 Greinly, James..........Divine, Elecian? 1899 5 Grey, Michael...........Browne, Mary Helen 1861 2 Grey, Thomas............Diniston, Ann 1854 2 Groman, James...........Mullin, Mary 1860 8 Gulahenin, John.........Killchrist, Mary 1897 6 Hagen, James............Clyne, Ann 1878 11 Hagen, Patrick..........O'Hara, Elizabeth 1868 2 Hagen, Richard..........Doherty, Mary Ann 1851 2 Halligan, Bernard.......Kelly, Catherine 1870 11 Hand, James.............Gliffen, Mary 1861 6 Hand, Thomas............Mallen, A? 1881 1 Hanlon, John............Hallegan, Joanne 1874 11 Harten, Mathew..........Tully, Catherine 1870 11 Hartin, Patrick.........Hagan, Mary 1870 8 Hay, Patrick............Morgan, Margaret 1859 9 Heany, Thomas...........Corregan, Mary Ann 1873 2 Healon, Thomas..........Tynon* Tynan*, Ellenor 1858 2 Hosey, James............Farrelly, Marian 1889 8 Hosey, John.............Fury, Elizabeth 1864 10 Hughes, Daniel..........Archebold, Mary 1862 4 Hughes, Michael.........Cline, Bridget 1887 2 Hullan, Patrick.........Feeney, Rose 1857 2 Hunt, John..............Mootey, Mary 1891 8 Hurrican, Joseph........Donegan, Mary Clonbroney Parish Baptisms Year Surname Father Mother 1856/11 Garney, Mary James E. McCoy 1858/3 Gafney, Ann James E. McCoy 1860/1 Gafney, Cath. James E. McCoy 1862/3 Gafney, Ellen James E. McCoy 1864/? Gafney, John James E. McCoy 1861/l Gafney, John Thomas E. Sweeney 1858/11 Gafney, L'rence Thomas E. Sweeney 1884/9 Gallagher,Hel. William A. Mulligan 1885/10 Gallagher,Thos William A. Mulligan 1887/11 Gallagher,Rose William A. Mulligan 1890/5 Gallagher,Wm, William A. Mulligan 1858/? Gallagher,J. Edward M. Galvin 1859/6 Gallagher,B. Hugh M. Kelly 1864/3 Galligan,Cath John ?. Flynn 1866/5 Galligan,Eliz John ?. Flynn 1869/? Galligan,H. John ?. Flynn 1872/10 Galligan,Jas John ?. Flynn 1872/10 Galligan,Pat John ?. Flynn 1864/? Galnagh,Fran. Francis ?. K??nagh 1875/7 Gannon, Cath. Anthony H. Kelly 18??/3 Gannon, Ann Bart ?. Longne 1889/? Garry, Jam? John E. Murtagh 1891/2 Garry, Pat John E. Murtagh 1868/11 Garvey,Ellenor Francis B. McCanna 1856/9 Gearty, Marg. John M. McCanna 1873/12 Gelnagh, Cath John J. Hetherton 1877/2 Gelnagh,James John J. Hetherton 1877/2 Gelnagh, Ann John J. Hetherton 1878/9 Gelnagh, Pat. John J. Hetherton 1882/9 Gelnagh, Thomas John J. Hetherton 1887/5 Gelnagh, Thomas John J. Hetherton 1862/11 Gelnagh, Ann Thomas A. McManus 1865/9 Gelnagh, Cath. Thomas A. McManus 1868/5 Gelnagh, Pat Thomas A. McManus 1870/11 Gelnagh, Thos. Thomas A. McManus 1873/4 Gelnagh,Eugene Thomas A. McManus 1875/11 Gelnagh,Mary Thomas A. McManus 1879/7 Gelnagh,Helen Thomas A. McManus 1867/1 Getting, John Edward ?. Smyth 1864/2 Gilshonan,Elisa Michael A. Brady 1866/5 Gilshonan,Mary Michael A. Brady 1868/9 Gilshonan,Pat Michael A. Brady 1871/4 Gilshonan,Mich Michael A. Brady 1873/3 Gilshonan,Bern Michael A. Brady 1875/5 Gilshonan,Jas Michael A. Brady 1862/11 Gilshenan,John John M. Gilchrist 186?/12 Gilshenan,Jas John M. Gilchrist 1869/? Gilshenan,Wm John M. Gilchrist 18?2/5 Gilshenan,Jas Michael A. Mahady 1874/1 Glancy, Brid. Thomas B. Glancy or Clancy 1856/? Glancy, Pat James M. Lynch 1857/11 Glancy, Mary James M. Lynch 18??/? Glancy,Jas James M. Lynch 18??/10 Glancy, Ann James M. Lynch ????/?? Glancy,John James M. Lynch 18?7/10 Glancy,John James J. McLoughlin 1869/11 Glancy,John James J. McLoughlin 1873/4 Glancy, Cath James J. McLoughlin 1874/11 Glancy,James James J. McLoughlin 1878/1 Glancy,Brid. James J. McLoughlin 1879/5 Glancy,Patrick James J. McLoughlin 1857/10 Glancy, John Francis B. McKenna 1861/3 Glancy, Mary Francis B. McKenna 1862/8 Glancy, Marg. Francis B. McKenna 1871/2 Glancy,John Francis B. McKenna 1901/6 Glenon, Mary Patrick B. Degnan 1885/11 Glynn,Patrick J.?? C. Whelan? 1876/1 Gorman,Bridget Bart M. ?oyle 187?/4 Gorman, John Bart M. ?oyle 18?3/5 Gorman, Edw. Bart M. ?oyle 1888/6 Gorman, Eliz Bart M. ?oyle 1890/7 Gorman, Helen Bart M. ?oyle 1873/2 Gorman,Bridget Bart M. Doyle 1876/3 Gorman, Cath. Bart M. Doyle 1883/7 Gorman, Eliz. Bart M. Doyle 1857/4 Gorman,AnnM. James M. Mullin 1860/7 Gorman, Thos. James M. Mullin 1862/10 Gorman,Bridget James M. Mullin 1863/1 Gorman, John John M. Murtagh 1864/7 Gorman, Cath. John M. Murtagh 1865/? Gorman, James John M. Murtagh 1868/? Gorman, Brid. John M. Murtagh 1871/? Gorman, Ann John M. Murtagh 1873/5 Gorman, Marg. John M. Murtagh 1880/3 Gorman, Mary John M. Murtagh 1859/8 Gray, Mary Charles M. Doile or Dolle 1873/5 Gray, William William ?. Mulligan 1894/? Green, Henry Henry B. O'Neil 1852/12 Grahan, Ann Bernard M. Brady 1857/3 Grier, Henry Henry M. C.Bl?kell 1855/12 Grier, Henry Edward C. Carrigy 1859/11 Grier, Mary Henry B. Dawson 1861/2 Grier, JamesJ Henry B. Dawson 1864/2 Grier, Agnes Henry B. Dawson 1865/3 Grier, Henry Henry B. Dawson 1867/9 Grier, Thomas Henry B. Dawson 1868/11 Grier, Patrick Henry B. Dawson 1870/5 Grier, Bridget Henry B. Dawson 1871/6 Grier, William Henry B. Dawson 1873/3 Grier,Jeane M Henry B. Dawson 1876/7 Grier, Joseph Henry B. Dawson 1878/3 Grier, TeresaB. Henry B. Dawson 1863/2 Grier, Stephen Stephen M. Dawson 1866/6 Grier, Edward Henry M. Grier 1866/10 Grier, Eliz. John C. Kelly 1885/2 Grier, Cath. Henry B. O'Neil 1887/1 Grier, Theresa Henry B. O'Neil 1889/6 Grier, Mary C Henry B. O'Neil 1883/10 Grier,Francis Francis C. O'Neil 1883/4 Grier, Cath Francis C. O'Neil 1851/12 Grier, Eileen John M. Sweeny 1854/12 Grinaly,Mich. Michael C. Kiernan 1874/? Grisnan, Pat Bart M. Doyle 1884/1 Guckin, Thos James C. Hegarty 1885/5 Guckin, Anna James C. Hegarty 1889/1 Guckin, Jas.P James C. Hegarty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ -- Parish of Clonbroney G 1852/11 Gafney, Mary,....Lislea 1851/4 Gilchrist, Bartholomew....Caven 1880/2 Gilna, Mrs. ....S_____? 1885/3 Gilna, James....Soran 1890/10 Gilnan, Thomas....Soran 1855/6 Glancy, Mrs.....Breahy 1882/2 Glancy, Widow....Listrabee 1854/2 Golden, John....Lislea 1849/2 Gorman, Thomas....Listrahee 1863/7 Gorman, James....n/g 1870/9 Gorman, James....Carvagh 1881/5 Gorman, James....Caryagh 1862/7 Graldan,? Edward....n/g 1862/3 Gray, Peter....Aughaawnrd? 1864/2 Green, Mrs.....Aughnasheana 1868/3 Grier, Joanne Maria....Ballinalee all denning-dever-cogan in mass-some malone-carroll-mcguire-doherty-mcneil-piscopo-mazzola-heslin-martini-feddis-fa rley-dennen-dinan-fredricks- ____________________________________ "we go to school to learn the words of fools" bob dylan

> Hi > I had great success with the people at the Longford Roots Centre. > However, stay away from the Westmeath Heritage centre. > Sheila Forbes > I would have to agree. The ladies at Longford couldn't have been more helpful if they'd tried, even ringing local people to ask questions on my behalf. And stay away from Clare!! Beryl in Melbourne Australia

Hi Tom Where are these available for reading/purchasing/enquiring please? Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia > I saw similar changes described - ie townlands changing parishes, etc. > - in the Ornance Survey notes carried out by the British Army Ornance in > the first half of the 19th century. > In my case, they were for Co. Fermanagh, but you'll certainly find the same > things in the Survey for your parishes between Co Longford and Co. Leitrim. > It gave a brief history of the parish and recent changes in homeland. It > also describes the land, the local customs, names prominent gentry, etc. > > I only have copies for 2 parishes in Fermanagh, so I can't help > specifically.

Hi Jim You wrote > so killoe is drumlish and this crosses the voarders of longsford and leitrim > jim Is this a question or a statement? This is really important for me to know as my Dimond/Cassidy family disappeared from Gortermone on the Leitrim side of that same border and I am interested in finding them in Longford. Would appreciate any further information you can give. I found a heap of Cassidys in Drumlish parish. Martin is my man, born circa 1810. No parents known. Married Mattie Dimond or Dymond and my g grandmother Mary Ann was born in Gortermone in 1836. TIA Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia What's your story? Wordweavers Weaving your memories Weaving your stories http://www.wordweavers.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <CARADOC28@aol.com> To: <IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [LONGFORD~] Drumlish change > The village of Drumlish is near the northwest corner of County Longford, > near the boundary of county Leitrim. > > I think this was formerly part of Killoe Parish, and that there is now a > Drumlish Ph. > > > so killoe is drumlish and this crosses the voarders of longsford and leitrim > jim > > ______________________________

Sorry about that, folks! I've just taken another look and apparently the Ordnance Survey Memoirs are not available for Co. Longford, and the only parish covered for Leitrim (in Vol 40) is Manorhamilton Union. It seems only Ulster is covered, (at least in this series through Queen's University, Belfast). I guess I was just too enthousiastic in trying to help. For those who still want to know ways to order them (for other counties, unfortunately). The volumes are avalable through globalgenealogy, see : http://globalgenealogy.com/books/334mem.htm Take a look at this page - for those in the US, you can buy them in $US. In other countries (like you and I Beryl) they're available at Queen's University, Belfast, (the address is given on this page) but must be paid in British Pounds. http://members.aol.com/Manus2/osmemo.html If you want to know which volume your parish would be covered in, try this site. http://www.qub.ac.uk/iis/publications/OrdnanceSurveyMemoirs/OSMhowtofind.htm#TOP Also, from the PRONI website : "PRONI has in its custody microfilm copies of the Ordnance Survey Memoirs for Cos Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry and Tyrone as well as for Cos Cavan, Donegal, Monaghan, Queen's County, Roscommon, Sligo and Tipperary (ref MIC.6). It is important to note that this set of Ordnance Survey Memoirs on microfilm also includes 'Name Books', containing details of the origin and meaning of townland names arranged by parish, for counties Antrim, Armagh, Down, Fermanagh, Londonderry and Tyrone, with some material for Cos Cavan and Monaghan." Sorry again. I should have looked before opening my big etc. etc. Sorry again, Tom "Beryl O'Gorman" <wordweav@bigpond.net.au> sur 10/11/2000 07:19:21 Pour : IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com cc : Objet : [LONGFORD~] Re: [LONGFORD~] Réf. : [LONGFORD~] Boundary changes ? - try Ordnance Survey Hi Tom Where are these available for reading/purchasing/enquiring please? Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia > I saw similar changes described - ie townlands changing parishes, etc. > - in the Ornance Survey notes carried out by the British Army Ornance in > the first half of the 19th century. > In my case, they were for Co. Fermanagh, but you'll certainly find the same > things in the Survey for your parishes between Co Longford and Co. Leitrim. > It gave a brief history of the parish and recent changes in homeland. It > also describes the land, the local customs, names prominent gentry, etc. > > I only have copies for 2 parishes in Fermanagh, so I can't help > specifically. ==== IRL-LONGFORD Mailing List ==== Try your luck if you're looking for ancestors in Pennsylvania, USA: Subscribe to the Pennsylvania Census Lookup list: mailto:PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe

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There seems to alot of confusion here. Is there anyone who can put this straight? BTW, I found records of my Gormans listed under "Clonbroney parish" (I don't know if that means Civil-, or Church-parish?). In the register, the name "Drumlish" appeared as the final word in the records register for my gf's birth. So if it came under "Clonbroney parish", and "Drumlish" is some sort of subsection of Clonbroney, then what is Drumlish?? A townland, or something else? (records were around 1860--when did the boundaries change?) At 02:06 AM 11/10/2000 EST, CARADOC28@aol.com wrote: > >so killoe is drumlish > and then this crosses the boarders of longsford and >leitrim >i havecassidy's in chelsea ,ma where alot of these people came to in usa > > > > > >In a message dated Fri, 10 Nov 2000 1:14:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Beryl >O'Gorman" <wordweav@bigpond.net.au> writes: > ><< Hi Jim >You wrote >> so killoe is drumlish and this crosses the voarders of longsford and >leitrim >> jim > >Is this a question or a statement? This is really important for me to know >as my Dimond/Cassidy family disappeared from Gortermone on the Leitrim side >of that same border and I am interested in finding them in Longford. Would >appreciate any further information you can give. I found a heap of Cassidys >in Drumlish parish. Martin is my man, born circa 1810. No parents known. >Married Mattie Dimond or Dymond and my g grandmother Mary Ann was born in >Gortermone in 1836. >TIA > >Beryl O'Gorman >Greensborough Victoria Australia > >What's your story? >Wordweavers >Weaving your memories >Weaving your stories >http://www.wordweavers.net >----- Original Message ----- >From: <CARADOC28@aol.com> >To: <IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 3:34 PM >Subject: Re: [LONGFORD~] Drumlish change > > >> The village of Drumlish is near the northwest corner of County Longford, >> near the boundary of county Leitrim. >> >> I think this was formerly part of Killoe Parish, and that there is now a >> Drumlish Ph. >> >> >> so killoe is drumlish and this crosses the voarders of longsford and >leitrim >> jim >> >> ______________________________ > > >> > > > >==== IRL-LONGFORD Mailing List ==== > Try your luck if you're looking for ancestors in Pennsylvania, USA: >Subscribe to the Pennsylvania Census Lookup list: >mailto:PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe > > >

so killoe is drumlish and then this crosses the boarders of longsford and leitrim i havecassidy's in chelsea ,ma where alot of these people came to in usa In a message dated Fri, 10 Nov 2000 1:14:43 AM Eastern Standard Time, "Beryl O'Gorman" <wordweav@bigpond.net.au> writes: << Hi Jim You wrote > so killoe is drumlish and this crosses the voarders of longsford and leitrim > jim Is this a question or a statement? This is really important for me to know as my Dimond/Cassidy family disappeared from Gortermone on the Leitrim side of that same border and I am interested in finding them in Longford. Would appreciate any further information you can give. I found a heap of Cassidys in Drumlish parish. Martin is my man, born circa 1810. No parents known. Married Mattie Dimond or Dymond and my g grandmother Mary Ann was born in Gortermone in 1836. TIA Beryl O'Gorman Greensborough Victoria Australia What's your story? Wordweavers Weaving your memories Weaving your stories http://www.wordweavers.net ----- Original Message ----- From: <CARADOC28@aol.com> To: <IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2000 3:34 PM Subject: Re: [LONGFORD~] Drumlish change > The village of Drumlish is near the northwest corner of County Longford, > near the boundary of county Leitrim. > > I think this was formerly part of Killoe Parish, and that there is now a > Drumlish Ph. > > > so killoe is drumlish and this crosses the voarders of longsford and leitrim > jim > > ______________________________ >>

In a message dated 11/9/00 6:55:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, smf@ican.net writes: << Sheila Forbes >> let me guess your from the land owner VIII ñ 12. - Grant to Arthur, James and Robert Forbes, natives of Scotland, to be free denizens, and to have all the benefits, franchises, and privileges of the kingdom of Ireland with a grant to Arthur Forbes ñ LEITRIM co. The town and lands of Aghanohunsine 24 a. pasture and 60 a. bog and wood; Mogher, 12 a. pasture and 30 a. bog and wood; Greaghtrohane 12 a. pasture and 60 a. bog and wood; Clounicbegg 24 a. pasture and 60 a. bog and wood; Aleeduffe 12 a. pasture and 30 a. bog and wood; Clonemorris, Killinebrick, Aghowlebane, Dengen, and Knockegawer, 152 a. pasture and 110 a. bog and wood; Clonciagh 4 a, barony of Mohill; rent for the 500 a pasture £8 6 sh. 8 d. Ir., and for the 670 a. bog and wood 6 sh 9 1/2 d.ñ LONGFORD co. The town and lands of Clongise, 120 a. pasture and 298 a. bog and wood; Ballinibrien [Brianstown], Quinerin, Lisse [Lismoy], and Canrenallin 393 a. pasture and 299 a. bog and wood; Tooreboy [Tremboy?], Lisnegard [Lissagernal?], Corre [Corry], and Dronineshee 42 a. pasture and 31 a. bog and wood; and also 65 a. pasture and 40 a. bog and wood in the lands of Lishbrack and Corvalane, excepting 20 a. pasture adjacent to the church of Clongise, barony of Longford; rent for the 600 a. pature £7 10 sh. Eng. and for 660 a. bog and wood 13sh 11p.. James Forbes ñ LONGFORD co. The town and lands of Sorn, 126 a. pasture and 380 a. bog and wood; Derryluluan, 74 a. pasture and 37 a. bog and wood, barony of Longford; rent for the 200 a. pasture 2 sh 10d Eng. and for the 417 a. bog and wood 8 sh. 8 1/2d. Robert Forbes ñ LONGFORD co. The town and lands of Dromeelie [Drumlish], 83 a.; Corgarow [Corragarrow], 29 a. pasture and 22 a. bog and wood; Ewkyneowire, 44 a. pasture and 118 a. bog; more in the same 13 a., and also 31 a. pasture and 17 a. bog and wood in the lands of Breaghwy adjoining Ewkyneontra, barony of Granard; rent for the 200 a. pasture £2 10 sh. Eng., and for the 147 a. bog and wood 3 sh 3 1/2d. ñ All the lands in the county of Longford created the manor of Castleforbes, with courts-leet and view of frank-pledge, and courts-baron; power to create seneschals and other officers, with jurisdiction in all actions for debt, covenant and trespass where the damages do not exceed 40 sh. Ir.: to enjoy all waifs and strays; to have free warren and chase, with all tithes great and small; excepting all ancient glebes, rectories and vicarages. To hold a Thursday market an Clongise, and one fair on the feast of St. Bartholomew the apostle (24 August) and the day after, for ever, with a court of pie-powder and the usual tolls and customs; rent 10 sh. Eng. ñ To hold in free and common soccage; subject to the conditions, provisions, limitations and agreements, as undertakers of the plantation of Longford and Leitrim ñ 1 April, 20th [20th year of reign of James I - 1623] in Patent Rolls of James I (Vol. 9) p. 540, 541 note: square brackets indicate likely modern townland name and if these are yours why and when did yours come here? jim all denning-dever-cogan in mass-some malone-carroll-mcguire-doherty-mcneil-piscopo-mazzola-heslin-martini-feddis-fa rley-dennen-dinan-fredricks- ____________________________________ "we go to school to learn the words of fools" bob dylan

Hi Please tell me more about the co. Longford Church records project. Are these both Protestant and Roman Catholic records -- or only Catholic ? I am looking for information about records of St. John's Church of Ireland at Ballinalee. Sheila Forbes ---------- > From: bklyn <bklyn@webcom.com> > To: IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [LONGFORD~] Re: Longford Records > Date: Tuesday, November 07, 2000 10:14 AM > > The Longford list is a quiet one these days, so maybe others need this info > too: > > http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ > > There, you'll find the Longford gen web project. Scroll down all the way > to Co. Longford Church records. There is a great search function on this > site--which is how I found my Gormans. They were in a diff. parish than > the one I was told by my aunt. > Happy Hunting! > > At 11:45 AM 11/06/2000 -0500, you wrote: > >Could you tell me where I could find the transcription of the records that > >you mentioned were on line. My ggrandparents Thomas McGrath and Anna > >Mulleady came from Longford and I would love to be able to looks through > >some records for information on them. The microfilm I got from the LDS was > >unreadable for me. Thanks for any help you can offer. > > > >Pat Connor Coogan > > > > > > > ==== IRL-LONGFORD Mailing List ==== > Try your luck if you're looking for ancestors in Pennsylvania, USA: > Subscribe to the Pennsylvania Census Lookup list: > mailto:PA-CENSUS-LOOKUP-L-request@rootsweb.com?subject=subscribe >

Sorry, I deleted the original message. It concerned a specific townland on the Longford-Leitrim border. I saw similar changes described - ie townlands changing parishes, etc. - in the Ornance Survey notes carried out by the British Army Ornance in the first half of the 19th century. In my case, they were for Co. Fermanagh, but you'll certainly find the same things in the Survey for your parishes between Co Longford and Co. Leitrim. It gave a brief history of the parish and recent changes in homeland. It also describes the land, the local customs, names prominent gentry, etc. I only have copies for 2 parishes in Fermanagh, so I can't help specifically. Tom

How does one go about getting the Ordnance Survey notes for Longford (and elsewhere)? Siobhan

The village of Drumlish is near the northwest corner of County Longford, near the boundary of county Leitrim. I think this was formerly part of Killoe Parish, and that there is now a Drumlish Ph. so killoe is drumlish and this crosses the voarders of longsford and leitrim jim

This mentions a re-structuring of parish boundaries of Drumlish and Killoe in Co. Longford. Does anyone know more about the boundaries in the mid 1800's vs. today? Thanks, Agnes "David Leahy's Survivors of the Great Famine (Index to Griffiths Valuation, about 1854) lists a Thomas Bernard Gorman at Lisnageeragh which is in Mostrim Parish. But most of the other Gormans he listed were in Killoe Ph. townlands. The village of Drumlish is near the northwest corner of County Longford, near the boundary of county Leitrim. I think this was formerly part of Killoe Parish, and that there is now a Drumlish Ph. Regarding locations around 1860, there were dislocations and evictions due to the famine. It might be this family was based in Killoe (now Drumlish?) and members who had to seek their fortune elsewhere, at least for a time, came back to the their ancestral church for such special occasions as christenings. It is really a problem that there were both Catholic and Protestant parish names for the same places, which furthermore have been reorganized as civil parishes and often renamed. How lovely if somebody knows a website which has maps showing locations of these historic parishes in relation to each other and to a modern map of the county. Fellow searchers, if you know of such a site, please let us know.

Hi I had great success with the people at the Longford Roots Centre. However, stay away from the Westmeath Heritage centre. Sheila Forbes ---------- > From: Daniel E. Martin <danielmartin@home.com> > To: IRL-LONGFORD-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: Re: [LONGFORD~] Longford Research > Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2000 4:04 PM > > Hi Fellow Researcher, > > I know that we are all anxious to have our money goes as far as we can in > research. From my own experience with the Longford Center I'd have to say your > experience was not reflective of mine. > > As you indicated you were hoping for a shot in the dark. You'd be suprised at > how much time is spent trying to do a blanket search, when just a name is given > or little other information. > > My experience over the years has been, and this is expoused by the best of the > researchers, take your time and prepare yourself well when doing research. If > you don't then you'll pay someone else for doing your grunt work. > > The longford Center on Church Street is a delightful place, and I can personally > atest to the staffs professionalism, their wit, and most of all to their attitude > of trying to do the best to serve the individual clientele that come their > way--must be an Irish trait-that we've kinda lost. > > Do your homework and prepare yourself then you'll find that the bill will still > be in that happy range of $25/30 USD > > I didn't get your name but Good Luck in your future research! > > Daniel > > > > > BikenMike@aol.com wrote: > > > Two questions. > > > > 1) I was looking at an LDS film of some Collombkille RC records in the mid > > 1800's and came across a reference to > > "end of Rev'd Eugen Daly's time and start of Rev'd T? McGaver's" There was no > > date on the record. Can anyone date this transition time? > > > > 2) Recently I received a report from the Longford Roots Heritage center. It > > was a real shot in the dark for my request (not even sure I was in the right > > County) and the $75USD I was charged was a steep price to pay, but I went > > ahead anyway. What I received back was an abysmal disappointment. No > > research, just a few names and dates that appeared to take 10 minutes to > > collect (that would equate to $450 an hour if it was true!). It's useless to > > me since there is no way to know if they are truely kin or not. Is this > > typical of the "research" that Longford Roots conducts? That was hard earned > > money and I feel shortchanged in a big way. By comparison I requested a > > "search potential" from County Mayo several years back which cost me $25 and > > had a terrific report back with details, discussion and outline of > > suggestions for further research. What is the norm? Did I get lucky with > > County Mayo and my recent experience with Longford is more typical? If so it > > looks like I can't afford any more queries like that. Like thr > > owing money down a rat hole. I needed help not an expensive, ask one > > question, get a little bit, ask another question (for another fee) get just a > > little bit more...etc. You probably can tell I'm miffed! >