http://www.familytreedna.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=287 Originally posted by JohnSanford > Are you quite sure that this test result with the "guy from the Greek > Island", proves that he is actually related to you? And do you believe that "but > surnames are not so important"? > > What do you mean by the statement, "but the prize is a tree that grows > sideways"? I have to believe that you are referring to a "family Tree" since we > are discussing genealogy, and evaluating DNA testing. Sincerely, John Sanford, > how many cousins do you have in the tree you are doing? in just my dennings i have 3500. why because i formed clans in chelsea ma. then as i did the city, these clans connected . it is like adding twenty brances on your tree at the middle. the idea that haveing the surname makes you a relative is wrong lets say 600 years ago james of damascus syria had 12 sons because of the migration of the people they were part of they migrated over the mountains. two brothers stayed in bellorussia they moved on and one stayed in whats hungry another drifted south to greece one of the twins. as the tribe moved on3 stayed in mackelburg germany with another one drifting west to france. meanwhile the last four including the other twin cross the channel to england. two stay in england the other two with twin go north to Scotland. the twin again moves to Ireland . generations come and go kings have taken census for taxes they needed to identify each citizen.last names were required the frenchman took plant the hungarian regal the scot stedham , the germans cole elder axe senger. the bellorussians meyerson and Seitz the english were lancaster and Joseph. the irish twin denning and the greek christoeu some how in this mess some other names popped up mariam,Restea, Creeger, levine now can you imagine doing the paperwork and the computor tree that would be needed lets just say each son had 6 sons each generations. how many cousins would you have before you get back to james of damascus [remember him] how would you ever get that paper? how wide would your compuitor screen be? maybe you could do it on a theater screen? now isnt that the goal of all genealogists its mine now understand james was one of a tribe of 1,000,000 people__________________ Jim Denning Jim Denning Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list

Ray Whittinger has transcribed more Militia rosters. I just got them online. The new years are: 1804 1814 1832 You can view these by going to the IGP Longford page: http://www.rootsweb.com/~irllog/ On the menu click on Military & Constabulary. Warning --- these are very large files. Be patient. If you cannot open them or one of them, let me know. Thanks, Christina

the first irish that came to boston resided in Chelsea,East Boston,and Federal Hill [north end]. before 1840 being irish let alone catholic was very dangerous for those who want a picture of what it was like check out THE BOSTON IRISH by Thomas O'Connor Jim Denning Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list

Hello List Members: I was just browsing for some information on the Palatines and came across this site which has information taken from The Palatines from "Irish Pedigrees" by John Hart. It gives information about the Palatines and the names of some families who settled in Ireland. http://www.geocities.com/jackreidy/limpal.htm I also found these references that may be of interest to someone. Key Subject Call No. Author Title IRISH PALATINES 941.50431 JON Jones, Henry Z., Jr. Palatine families of Ireland. IRISH PALATINES 941.50431 OCO O'Connor, Patrick J. People make places -- the story of the Irish Palatines. IRISH PALATINES -- CANADA -- ONTARIO 941.50431 HEA Heald, Carolyn A. Irish Palatines in Ontario. IRISH PALATINES -- PERIODICALS 941.50431 IRI Irish Palatine Association journal. [Library has 1990 - ] Hope this helps, Lynne. _________________________________________________________________ MSN® Calendar keeps you organized and takes the effort out of scheduling get-togethers. http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

It's hard to make any statement at all that is "necessarily" true. However, I stand by statement as reasonable inference, given the observable facts. Canadian arrival--in the pre-Famine era, most likely predominantly through Montreal, given the locations of Longford-connected Irish immigrant communities in 1842--is a very strong possibility for this particular class of immigrants that researchers might like to take into consideration. (Since there were no communities in New England canvassed for donations other thean Boston, Bridgeport, and Providence, for which Boston and New York arrivals would have been the most likely, Canadian Maritime-province arrivals appear to have been much less common for these immigrants.) Nancy Gray -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 4:07 AM To: [email protected] Subject: [LONGFORD] Re: Subject: Former Longford residents already in the Unitied States by 1842 >>>The presence of Irish communities of this sort in places like Detroit, Rochester, Utica, and Buffalo, as well as in Canadian communities, suggests that many of those immigrants had come via Canada; they are therefore unlikely to appear on shipping lists.<<< This isn't neccessarily so - my gr-grandparents came from Longford to Buffalo. They arrived in New York, with several of her siblings. My gr-grandmother's sisters' families stayed in New Jersey. Two brothers went further west to Chicago. All of them arrived in New York. Kathy ==== IRL-LONGFORD Mailing List ==== ~An old broom knows the dirty corners best.~

In a message dated 8/20/2004 7:07:26 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > >>>The presence of Irish communities of this sort in places like Detroit, > Rochester, Utica, and Buffalo, as well as in Canadian communities, suggests > that many of those immigrants had come via Canada; they are therefore > unlikely > to appear on shipping lists.<<< > this is true and also true for new england also,any which way you can Jim Denning Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list

>>>The presence of Irish communities of this sort in places like Detroit, Rochester, Utica, and Buffalo, as well as in Canadian communities, suggests that many of those immigrants had come via Canada; they are therefore unlikely to appear on shipping lists.<<< This isn't neccessarily so - my gr-grandparents came from Longford to Buffalo. They arrived in New York, with several of her siblings. My gr-grandmother's sisters' families stayed in New Jersey. Two brothers went further west to Chicago. All of them arrived in New York. Kathy

In a message dated 8/19/2004 7:50:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > From: [email protected] > To: <[email protected]> <Message-id:> > > Unfortunately, they are in a private collection. Whether their > custodian would permit their transcription, I don't know at this > time. > figures Jim Denning Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list

--- Original Message --- From: [email protected] To: <[email protected]> <Message-id:> Unfortunately, they are in a private collection. Whether their custodian would permit their transcription, I don't know at this time. Nancy ----- Original message from [email protected]: ------------ | is there a place where these names are listed

is there a place where these names are listed Jim Denning Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list

In a message dated 8/19/2004 5:07:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > New York and Boston contributed the largest number was it just boston or broken down further than that Jim Denning Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list

In a message dated 8/19/2004 5:07:53 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > It is reasonable to assume that most or all of the donors were Catholic and > they had come from the geographical area served by the Diocese of Ardagh and > Clonmacnoise, which includes almost all of Longford, Leitrim below Lough > Allen, and small slivers of Offaly, Roscommon, and Sligo. Typical Longford > and Leitrim names are particularly prominently represented among the donors. > Since collections took place in 1842, these were pre-Famine immigrants. > let me guess was chelsea revere and winthrop in the places contributions came from Jim Denning Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list

In a message dated 8/19/2004 4:39:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > When I researched the Palatines four or five years ago, I discovered that > about 30% of them were in fact Catholic. This had not been the intent of > Queen Anne's government, and some of them, but not all, were promptly sent > back to where they had come from. The rest settled in the British Isles, > including Ireland. Those who who were serving in the British army were > particularly likely to settled in Ireland, especially around traditional > garrison towns. > > Nancy Gray i have found dennings sometines with an i in lancaster pa/north carolina they married 3 brother to 3 sisters so i would asume the dennings could be palatane also. the more i look at my family they do seem to be more puritn then normal irish. palatanes were that. we are dyed in the wool catholics . then came my dna test which shows german english blood for a longford stone mason. even more intesting a halopgroup eb which indicates sub sahara jewish background. recent tioes to greece and germany with england. i did some research and the palatane hit me across the forehead like a brick. it seemed to make sence maybe it wont pan out but i am on that trail. the british military did give access to a world full of people to be related to:) Jim Denning Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list

I recently returned from Ireland, where I examined records of Irish in the United States (and at a few locations in Ontario and Quebec) who contributed to the building of St. Mel's Cathedral (in Longford town). Collections took place at various locations around the US in the fall of 1842. It is reasonable to assume that most or all of the donors were Catholic and they had come from the geographical area served by the Diocese of Ardagh and Clonmacnoise, which includes almost all of Longford, Leitrim below Lough Allen, and small slivers of Offaly, Roscommon, and Sligo. Typical Longford and Leitrim names are particularly prominently represented among the donors. Since collections took place in 1842, these were pre-Famine immigrants. It may be useful to some members of the list looking for early immigrants to know where communities of Irish from the above counties were known by Church authorities in the home country to be established before the Famine, since this might help interested persons to know where they might look for early-immigrant ancestors other than in the places they have already looked based either on family tradition or on locations shown in the records of family members from later dates. (At least in my family, moving about seems to have been common in the earliest days, and not necessarily in "obvious" directions.) New York and Boston contributed the largest number of donors--more than 4,000 persons each, sizable Longford/Leitrim immigrant communities for the time. Significant numbers of donors also contributed in Washington/Georgetown/Alexandria; Vicksburg/Natchez/New Orleans; Mobile; Coluumbus, Savannah, and Augusta, GA; Charleston and Columbia, SC; Halifax, NC; Petersburg, Richmond, Norfolk, Portsmouth, Pittsburgh, and Old Point Comfort, VA; Baltimore and Fredericksburg, MD; Philadelphia and Plattsville, PA; Buffalo, Rockport, Albany, Schenectady, Utica, and Rochester, NY; Newark and New Brunswick, NJ; St. Louis; Providence; Bridgeport, CT; Detroit; Dubuque, IA; Galena, IL; Cincinnati; and Louisville and Lexington, KY. Collections in Canada took place in Hamilton, Dundas, Kingston, St. Catherine's, and Toronto, Ont.; and Montreal. The presence of Irish communities of this sort in places like Detroit, Rochester, Utica, and Buffalo, as well as in Canadian communities, suggests that many of those immigrants had come via Canada; they are therefore unlikely to appear on shipping lists. Nancy Gray

When I researched the Palatines four or five years ago, I discovered that about 30% of them were in fact Catholic. This had not been the intent of Queen Anne's government, and some of them, but not all, were promptly sent back to where they had come from. The rest settled in the British Isles, including Ireland. Those who who were serving in the British army were particularly likely to settled in Ireland, especially around traditional garrison towns. Nancy Gray -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 8:46 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [LONGFORD] What do we have on catholic Palatines? anything In a message dated 8/18/2004 10:43:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > Hi Jim; > I have some information on the County Palatinate of Ormond but that is > Tipperary, not Longford. I also have information on the Palatines, but > they were German Protestants and settled mostly in Leinster and Munster. > i'll take it Jim Denning Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinnin g- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mch ug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop ,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list ==== IRL-LONGFORD Mailing List ==== ~An old broom knows the dirty corners best.~

In a message dated 8/18/2004 10:43:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: > > Hi Jim; > I have some information on the County Palatinate of Ormond but that is > Tipperary, not Longford. I also have information on the Palatines, but > they were German Protestants and settled mostly in Leinster and Munster. > i'll take it Jim Denning Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-dinning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell-mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Wintrop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list

Hi Jim; I have some information on the County Palatinate of Ormond but that is Tipperary, not Longford. I also have information on the Palatines, but they were German Protestants and settled mostly in Leinster and Munster. Mike -----Original Message----- From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 10:41 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [LONGFORD] What do we have on catholic Palatines? anything What do we have on catholic Palatines? anything as far as names and places Jim Denning Chelsea,Ma.-Woburn,Ma.-denning-dennen-danin-dinan-dinihey-denningston-di nning- carlon-carroll-dever-cogan-malone-heslin-piscopo-mazzola-martini-farrell -mchug h-farley-grimes-lynch-doherty-SanDanto,Ita-Adargh,longford-Revere,Ma-Win trop,M a.-sprague- and ever growing list ==== IRL-LONGFORD Mailing List ==== To Unsubscribe: Send email to [email protected] Put ONLY the word unsubscribe in the message. For digest the address is [email protected] [If you take the LIST you can't unsub from the DIGEST & vice versa]

Hello List Members: I have recently re-joined this list since I have discovered some new information concerning my family research in Longford. Thanks to a message from one of the List Members about the military lists available on-line at Kew, I was able to connect some information I have from my research on Denis MARTIN, here in Simcoe County, Ontario, Canada, and his service with the 27th Foot Regiment. His records state that he was from Longford, Longford, Ireland. I have been trying to find evidence of a connection to Denis Martin and my gggrandmother, Mary Martin INNIS, of Longford, for a long time. Once I found this information about Denis, I ordered the LDS film for the Parish Records of Templemichael and Ballymacormack, Diocese of Ardagh and Clonmagnois. Amazingly, I believe I may have found the entry for my Martin Martin Innis' baptism in 1819 along with those of her sisters and brothers. I also found a marriage for a Denis Martin to Eleanor (or Ellen) GANLY in 1816. The children I have found, so far, are Michael, Patrick, Bridget (2 separate entries for this name), Eleanor and Mary. I am still transcribing the entries from the film so I may discover others. Would anyone know if, and how, more information can be found about the on-line military service indexes found at Kew? Also, if anyone has any connection to, or information about, the MARTIN/GANLY families, I would be delighted to hear from you. The Ganly and Martins names seem to be connected to the DOWD, NOWLAN, QUINN, McCORMICK, COX, KENNEDY, McGUIRE, McKEON, McNEAL, KELLY, and McGEOY names in the Parish Records too if these are of interest to anyone. Regards, Lynne. _________________________________________________________________ Take charge with a pop-up guard built on patented Microsoft® SmartScreen Technology http://join.msn.com/?pgmarket=en-ca&page=byoa/prem&xAPID=1994&DI=1034&SU=http://hotmail.com/enca&HL=Market_MSNIS_Taglines Start enjoying all the benefits of MSN® Premium right now and get the first two months FREE*.

One of my ancesters owned the old gate house to the Crofton estate in Co Roscommon just outside of Athleage until his death in 1861. Does anyone have any idea as to what this might have looked like or any other gate house of this era? Eric Macklin Toronto

I am particularly looking for them in the townlands of Soran, Aughaboy and Kilnacarrow in County Longford. I have the following information: Following is correspondence from commissioned research for the surnames of Begley and Conroy September 19, 2003: Thank you for your letter and fee recently received. The names Begley and Conroy are linked with the parish of Killoe in such areas as Soran, Aughaboy and Kilnacarrow. The three townslands border each other in a tight circle to the south of Longford town. These are the only areas in Longford where the names surfaced. The Killoe deaths, marriages and births do not start until 1826 so I am unable to trace your direct family. However I may have found Mary's death record. In the early eighteen hundreds people married their neighbours because they couldn't travel. It is reasonable to assume that the Begleys and Conroys in these three townlands might have been related. See map for townslands associated with Begley and Conroy names. Thank you, Pauline Flood ROMAN CATHOLIC CHURCH RECORDS PARISH OF KILLOE DEATH RECORDS NAME: Mary Begley Date: 20/6/1833 Address: Kilnacarrow NAME: John Conroy Date: 15/8/1826 Address: Aughaboy ____________________________________________________________________________ _______ Tithe Records 1828-1833 Surname Name Townland Comments Begley William Corleenlaba Begley William Currygranny Begley Webster Demesne Begley Patrick (Patt) Kilmore Begley Mathew Kilmore Begley Manus Soran Parish of Killoe These are taxes paid to the churches between 1828 - /33 ____________________________________________________________________________ ________ Index to Griffith's Primary Valuation of Co. Longford (1854) BEGLEY, BEGLY: Thomas at Keenagh. Bridget at Connaught Street, Longford Town. Mary at Aghaboy (Killoe Civil Ph.). Margaret at Clooncoose (Clonbroney Civil Ph.). (writer highlighted Mary at Aghaboy (Killoe Civil Ph.). in above citation) ____________________________________________________________________________ ____ CONROY, CONRY: Michael at Rath. Martin at Legan. Gilbert, Patrick at Turnpike Road, Longford Town. Gilbert at Pigmarket Lane, Longford Town. Michael at Aghaboy. Barney (2) at Aghaboy (Killoe Civil Ph.). Susan at Church Street, Longford Town. James at Drummeel. Michael at Rosduff. Michael at Ballinrud East. Michael at Cloghchurnel. Also: Trustees Thomas at Cloonkeen (Ballymacormick Civil Ph.), Cordivin. Reps. Thomas at Aughine, Ballinvoher, Bunalough, Castlerea, Cloonevit, Cloonker, Garranboy, Keelogalabawn, Lisgurry, Meetanagh (Moydow Civil Ph.), Mollyroe, Mountjessop. Thomas at Chapel Lane, Longford Town. Per the book "History of LaSalle County" (IL) page 734-5: Biographical: James Begley was born in county Longford, Ireland, Aug. 15, 1816, a son of James and Mary (Conroy) Begley. The day he was three weeks old his father was buried and he was left to the care of his mother, who died when he was sixteen years old. He remained in his native country till 1839, and then came to the United States and worked for his brother John, who came to this country in 1828, and located near Brooklyn. He remained in Brooklyn till 1849, when he came to Illinois to superintend the cultivation of land his brother had entered in La Salle County. Per page 945 on Robert Begley in the book "Past and Present of La Salle County": His father, James Begley, was a native of the Emerald isle. His parents died when James was quite young and with his elder brother, John, he emigrated to America. They first stopped at Brooklyn, New York, where for ten years they were engaged on the construction street pavements. While in Brooklyn Mr. Begley was united in marriage to Miss Jane Jones. She was born in Wales, and then came to the United States with her mother in early girlhood. In 1849 James Begley came with his family to La Salle county and turned his attention to farming. Thanks for any additional information you might be willing to provide. Jeanne (Begley) Pratt