A chairde, In Irish (i.e., in Irish Gaelic), a broad D (a D with an a,o,or u as the closest vowel in the same word) and a broad T (a T with an a, o, or u as the closest vowel in the same word) can both be pronounced very "thickly" with the tongue under the upper teeth.  Hard to tell them apart unless you're close up and paying attention.   Also in Irish, they can be both pronounced as TH.  So, for example, the Irish word drong (meaning a group of people) comes into English as 'throng'. Go raibh sé sin cabhrach.  /  Hope that's helpful, Jerry Treibheanna Éireannacha jerrykelly@att.net www.irishtribes.com --- On Wed, 3/28/12, Suzanne <t4tsinda@bigpond.com> wrote: From: Suzanne <t4tsinda@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] "D" and "T" Might Be Verbal Mishearing By the Original Record Recorder To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 6:05 AM Please add to that the fact the person listening is hard of hearing. I can attest to the frequency with which I have to query spelling for indeed, B, T, D and G plus a few others are very difficult to discern and this is the case even with hearing aid in place at times. Suzanne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Dear Jerry and Suzanne, Thank you for this insight. It is something that I need to bear in mind. Regards, Christine -----Original Message----- From: irl-limerick-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:irl-limerick-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Jerry Kelly Sent: Tuesday, 3 April 2012 8:28 a.m. To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] pronunciation of "D" and "T" by native Irish (Irish Gaelic) speakers A chairde, In Irish (i.e., in Irish Gaelic), a broad D (a D with an a,o,or u as the closest vowel in the same word) and a broad T (a T with an a, o, or u as the closest vowel in the same word) can both be pronounced very "thickly" with the tongue under the upper teeth.  Hard to tell them apart unless you're close up and paying attention. Also in Irish, they can be both pronounced as TH.  So, for example, the Irish word drong (meaning a group of people) comes into English as 'throng'. Go raibh sé sin cabhrach.  /  Hope that's helpful, Jerry Treibheanna Éireannacha jerrykelly@att.net www.irishtribes.com --- On Wed, 3/28/12, Suzanne <t4tsinda@bigpond.com> wrote: From: Suzanne <t4tsinda@bigpond.com> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] "D" and "T" Might Be Verbal Mishearing By the Original Record Recorder To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com Date: Wednesday, March 28, 2012, 6:05 AM Please add to that the fact the person listening is hard of hearing. I can attest to the frequency with which I have to query spelling for indeed, B, T, D and G plus a few others are very difficult to discern and this is the case even with hearing aid in place at times. Suzanne ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message