thank you ----- Original Message ----- From: "JJ Woods" <woodsjj@gmail.com> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] National library in Dublin >I think it is a little complicated. Obviously they don't own the records > themselves but they do claim copyright of the films. I am not sure if that > has any real standing in law but the Library authorities take very strict > view of the claim to copyright and, I believe, do not allow printing out > of > even one page! > > The same applies to the microfilm copies of the general registers of > births, > marriages and deaths held in the Pearse Street Library, again, honouring > the > LDS claim to copyright. > > In fairness to the library authorities, I believe these are the conditions > under which copies of the microfilms are made available to them by the > LDS. > > The shame of the whole matter is that even still the Irish state depends > on > the LDS to produce microfilm of documents instead of either undertaking > this > work themselves or else contracting with outside agencies to produce them > to > a higher standard. > > You are allowed to transcribe the information you want. I must confess > that > in the past I believed that copyright could only be claimed on something > unique and/or creative. Badly reproduced microfilms do not enter into my > understanding of what is unique and/or creative! > > > On 20/02/2008, Karen McGann <imhear@comcast.net> wrote: >> >> Bring a small digital camera with you...and leave a big tip-only joking. >> Can you explain the copyright thing again? Do you mean the LDS owns the >> copyright on the parish records?????? >> I'm obviously confused! >> Karen >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "JJ Woods" <woodsjj@gmail.com> >> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:06 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] National library in Dublin >> >> >> > Yes in some situations and no in others. I believe there is copyright >> > on >> > the >> > parish register microfilms as produced by the LDS and, again I think, >> you >> > cannot get those films in the room with the facility to print from the >> > readers, only in the room with the non-printing readers. You can get >> > copies >> > from books, magazines, newspapers, etc., subject to copyright laws. >> > >> > >> > >> > On 20/02/2008, Dunleavy, Michael: #CB - BC >> > <Dunleavy.Michael@cb-bc.gc.ca >> > >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Would anyone know whether it is possible at the National Library to >> make >> >> photocopies of documents on microfilm? Thanks. >> >> >> >> Mike Dunleavy >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> >> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> > >> > ------------------------------- >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >> the >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I don't know why the LDS do not have microfilm of the Limerick Diocese but apparently the National Library in Dublin does. This is a link to the page dealing with parish registers: http://www.nli.ie/en/parish-register.aspx The county of Limerick is covered to a greater or lesser extent by four RC dioceses: Limerick; Killaloe (one parish, Castleconnel); Cashel and Emly (14 parishes I think) and Cloyne (two parishes, Charleville and Freemount). The Church of Irreland structure is almost certainly different and probably conforms more to the original civil parish structure. The current RC parish structure may be different to when the registers were recorded. Parishes may have been combined or broken up or new parishes created. The same may be true of the diocese structure. I hope this is of use. On 20/02/2008, Karen McGann <imhear@comcast.net> wrote: > > thank you > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "JJ Woods" <woodsjj@gmail.com> > To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:59 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] National library in Dublin > > > >I think it is a little complicated. Obviously they don't own the records > > themselves but they do claim copyright of the films. I am not sure if > that > > has any real standing in law but the Library authorities take very > strict > > view of the claim to copyright and, I believe, do not allow printing out > > of > > even one page! > > > > The same applies to the microfilm copies of the general registers of > > births, > > marriages and deaths held in the Pearse Street Library, again, honouring > > the > > LDS claim to copyright. > > > > In fairness to the library authorities, I believe these are the > conditions > > under which copies of the microfilms are made available to them by the > > LDS. > > > > The shame of the whole matter is that even still the Irish state depends > > on > > the LDS to produce microfilm of documents instead of either undertaking > > this > > work themselves or else contracting with outside agencies to produce > them > > to > > a higher standard. > > > > You are allowed to transcribe the information you want. I must confess > > that > > in the past I believed that copyright could only be claimed on something > > unique and/or creative. Badly reproduced microfilms do not enter into my > > understanding of what is unique and/or creative! > > > > > > On 20/02/2008, Karen McGann <imhear@comcast.net> wrote: > >> > >> Bring a small digital camera with you...and leave a big tip-only > joking. > >> Can you explain the copyright thing again? Do you mean the LDS owns the > >> copyright on the parish records?????? > >> I'm obviously confused! > >> Karen > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "JJ Woods" <woodsjj@gmail.com> > >> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > >> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 1:06 PM > >> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] National library in Dublin > >> > >> > >> > Yes in some situations and no in others. I believe there is copyright > >> > on > >> > the > >> > parish register microfilms as produced by the LDS and, again I think, > >> you > >> > cannot get those films in the room with the facility to print from > the > >> > readers, only in the room with the non-printing readers. You can get > >> > copies > >> > from books, magazines, newspapers, etc., subject to copyright laws. > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 20/02/2008, Dunleavy, Michael: #CB - BC > >> > <Dunleavy.Michael@cb-bc.gc.ca > >> > > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Would anyone know whether it is possible at the National Library to > >> make > >> >> photocopies of documents on microfilm? Thanks. > >> >> > >> >> Mike Dunleavy > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------- > >> >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> >> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without > >> the > >> >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> >> > >> > > >> > ------------------------------- > >> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > >> the > >> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without > the > > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message >