Do you know Catherine's maiden name or is she William's sister? I know this is a "dumb" question but sometimes it jogs the search. I don't know how old my Catherine was in 1864. She was the aunt of James O'Brien (making her born an O'brien I assume) and was his sponsor at his baptism on January 24, 1871. James was baptized in Kilflyn. I know that the church records at Kilflyn only date back to 1853, as no records were allowed to be kept by the Catholics before 1856 so the priest kept some records before it was legally allowed. My other O'Brien records come from a family in Garryarthur who had copies of the rent and tithe records dating back to 1779 showing the O'Briens paying their rent on the leaseholds they held. Let me know if you need more info from me as I have quite a history. Judy Christopher (O'Brien/Fox) ----- Original Message ----- From: <mike@obrienclan.com> To: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records > Both of mine were Catholic as all of their family is buried at Holy Cross > in Colma, CA (outside of San Francisco). They were originally buried at > Calvary Cemetery in San Francisco but the cemetery was closed and all > relocated to Holy Cross. > I was hoping that a death notice might show up somewhere in Co Limerick > for William (d. Dec 1864) and Catherine (d. 5 Jan 1897). With no parish > name or parents names or knowledge of any siblings who either stayed in > Ireland or emigrated, I am stuck here hoping someone is searching for a > link to these two. > > Mike > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net> > To: <mike@obrienclan.com>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:48 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records > > >> You never know what can happen with connections. Some of the O'Briens in >> County took the Queen's Oath and went to the Church of Ireland. Others >> did not. The O'Briens who lived in Garryarthur Kilflyn were of both >> persuasions. There is a tiny church in Kilflyn that is C of I. It is a >> beautiful little stone church surrounded by a wrought iron fence with a >> small cemetery behind. I wanted to go in when I was there but the gates >> were locked. I wanted to share this too. Judy Christopher (O'Brien/Fox) >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: <mike@obrienclan.com> >> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:02 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >> >> >>> Hi Judy, >>> >>> Thought I would through this in: My Catherine (C) O'Brien was born >>> 1829, Co >>> Limerick. Emigrated in 1849 to New York and on to San Francisco where >>> she >>> married William O'Brien, born 1824, Co Limerick. They had six children >>> born >>> in San Francisco. >>> >>> Mike >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net> >>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 5:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>> >>> >>>> My O'briens came from Glenroe Ballyorgan Garryarthur Kilflyn which is >>>> about >>>> 26miles southeast of Limerick City. >>>> I do have a Catherine but I believe she was born in the 1830s. I have >>>> been >>>> trying to find her information and her siblings Information. Catherine >>>> was >>>> the sister of Michael, Daniel, John, and Ann. I have only that she was >>>> the >>>> sponsor of my Granduncle William in 1869 at Kilfyn. Judy >>>> Christopher----- >>>> Original Message ----- >>>> From: "John Walton" <vabre1@optusnet.com.au> >>>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 4:08 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi Judy, >>>>> I noticed your interest in the O'Brien's from Limerick. I have a >>>>> Catherine >>>>> O'Brien born abt. 1805 who married John O'Halloran. Two of their >>>>> children >>>>> were baptised at St. Michael's and St. John's.Do you think there could >>>>> be >>>>> a >>>>> connection to your O'Briens.. >>>>> >>>>> Pam...Sydney >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net> >>>>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:37 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>i was so very lucky. I was able to get a book full of family heritage >>>>>>from >>>>>> the old Limerick Archives at the Granary before the closed. I wish >>>>>> all >>>>>> could have had the chance to do so. If you know the Civil Parish >>>>>> your >>>>>> family came from you can write to the church and perhaps the priest >>>>>> there >>>>>> will be glad to send any records for a donation to the parish church. >>>>>> Judy >>>>>> Christopher (O'Brien/Fox County Limerick) >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Punch, Candace" <Candace.Punch@warnerbros.com> >>>>>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 3:26 PM >>>>>> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The Bishop of Limerick has put a hold on all church films in his >>>>>>> control area. He objects to the LDS Practice of doing baptisms and >>>>>>> confirmations for their dead ancestors to seal them in an eternal >>>>>>> chain >>>>>>> together. They have gotten a lot of flack for their beliefs. I >>>>>>> find >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> no different than the Jehovah witnesses and how many people they >>>>>>> actually will be saved, the Catholic belief in Limbo, or the >>>>>>> Shakers, >>>>>>> who believe in strict celibacy and no giving in marriage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It is simply a religious belief, If it is not your belief it means >>>>>>> nothing to you , right? I feel bad that the Bishop cut millions off >>>>>>> from records that would unite families and give honor to Ireland as >>>>>>> an >>>>>>> ancestral home of billions of people. I have been trying to piece >>>>>>> my >>>>>>> husband's family together for 22 years. Those are the records I >>>>>>> need. >>>>>>> I >>>>>>> know his father, Grandfather and the name of his Great Grandfather. >>>>>>> They >>>>>>> were catholic, so you all know how many records were compiled on >>>>>>> that >>>>>>> side of the religious line and why. I guess I will have to wait till >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> Bishop dies and hope for a Bishop more concerned with families >>>>>>> gathering >>>>>>> and making Ireland the point of their beginnings, then finding >>>>>>> threat >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> some church ceremony which they don't even believe in. Till then we >>>>>>> are >>>>>>> at his mercy, or have to spend a lot of money to hire a professional >>>>>>> there to do the work. The LDS Library had been my life line and >>>>>>> they >>>>>>> are in the process of putting histories, books, genealogies and >>>>>>> amazing >>>>>>> items in the huge vaults in Cottonwood Canyon that have not had the >>>>>>> ability to do before now. Copies of some of the books that will be >>>>>>> on >>>>>>> line were burnt when Hitler burnt the books. The librarians have >>>>>>> always >>>>>>> been very helpful and never, ever preachy. Let them believe as they >>>>>>> do. >>>>>>> Because of those beliefs, they will be freely sharing with us, on >>>>>>> line, >>>>>>> in the next years, incredible amounts of new information from around >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> world. That to me is a win, win situation.!. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Candace Punch. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>> without >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the >>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>> >> >> > >

Judy, To the best of my knowledge, Catherine's maiden name was O'Brien. I have three out of four death certificates of her children stating mother's maiden name as O'Brien. Not uncommon for O'Briens marrying O'Briens. I have many of the O'Brien history books and have found 16 accounts where 2nd and 3rd cousins married over the last 600 to 800 years. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net> To: <mike@obrienclan.com>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records > Do you know Catherine's maiden name or is she William's sister? I know > this is a "dumb" question but sometimes it jogs the search. I don't know > how old my Catherine was in 1864. She was the aunt of James O'Brien > (making her born an O'brien I assume) and was his sponsor at his baptism > on January 24, 1871. James was baptized in Kilflyn. I know that the > church records at Kilflyn only date back to 1853, as no records were > allowed to be kept by the Catholics before 1856 so the priest kept some > records before it was legally allowed. My other O'Brien records come from > a family in Garryarthur who had copies of the rent and tithe records > dating back to 1779 showing the O'Briens paying their rent on the > leaseholds they held. > Let me know if you need more info from me as I have quite a history. Judy > Christopher (O'Brien/Fox) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <mike@obrienclan.com> > To: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 5:57 PM > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records > > >> Both of mine were Catholic as all of their family is buried at Holy Cross >> in Colma, CA (outside of San Francisco). They were originally buried at >> Calvary Cemetery in San Francisco but the cemetery was closed and all >> relocated to Holy Cross. >> I was hoping that a death notice might show up somewhere in Co Limerick >> for William (d. Dec 1864) and Catherine (d. 5 Jan 1897). With no parish >> name or parents names or knowledge of any siblings who either stayed in >> Ireland or emigrated, I am stuck here hoping someone is searching for a >> link to these two. >> >> Mike >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net> >> To: <mike@obrienclan.com>; <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 2:48 PM >> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >> >> >>> You never know what can happen with connections. Some of the O'Briens >>> in County took the Queen's Oath and went to the Church of Ireland. >>> Others did not. The O'Briens who lived in Garryarthur Kilflyn were of >>> both persuasions. There is a tiny church in Kilflyn that is C of I. It >>> is a beautiful little stone church surrounded by a wrought iron fence >>> with a small cemetery behind. I wanted to go in when I was there but >>> the gates were locked. I wanted to share this too. Judy Christopher >>> (O'Brien/Fox) >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <mike@obrienclan.com> >>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 3:02 PM >>> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>> >>> >>>> Hi Judy, >>>> >>>> Thought I would through this in: My Catherine (C) O'Brien was born >>>> 1829, Co >>>> Limerick. Emigrated in 1849 to New York and on to San Francisco where >>>> she >>>> married William O'Brien, born 1824, Co Limerick. They had six children >>>> born >>>> in San Francisco. >>>> >>>> Mike >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net> >>>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 5:09 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>>> >>>> >>>>> My O'briens came from Glenroe Ballyorgan Garryarthur Kilflyn which is >>>>> about >>>>> 26miles southeast of Limerick City. >>>>> I do have a Catherine but I believe she was born in the 1830s. I have >>>>> been >>>>> trying to find her information and her siblings Information. >>>>> Catherine >>>>> was >>>>> the sister of Michael, Daniel, John, and Ann. I have only that she >>>>> was >>>>> the >>>>> sponsor of my Granduncle William in 1869 at Kilfyn. Judy >>>>> Christopher----- >>>>> Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "John Walton" <vabre1@optusnet.com.au> >>>>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 4:08 PM >>>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Judy, >>>>>> I noticed your interest in the O'Brien's from Limerick. I have a >>>>>> Catherine >>>>>> O'Brien born abt. 1805 who married John O'Halloran. Two of their >>>>>> children >>>>>> were baptised at St. Michael's and St. John's.Do you think there >>>>>> could be >>>>>> a >>>>>> connection to your O'Briens.. >>>>>> >>>>>> Pam...Sydney >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Judy Christopher" <ajuntasc@comcast.net> >>>>>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 22, 2008 7:37 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>>i was so very lucky. I was able to get a book full of family >>>>>>>heritage >>>>>>>from >>>>>>> the old Limerick Archives at the Granary before the closed. I wish >>>>>>> all >>>>>>> could have had the chance to do so. If you know the Civil Parish >>>>>>> your >>>>>>> family came from you can write to the church and perhaps the priest >>>>>>> there >>>>>>> will be glad to send any records for a donation to the parish >>>>>>> church. >>>>>>> Judy >>>>>>> Christopher (O'Brien/Fox County Limerick) >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Punch, Candace" <Candace.Punch@warnerbros.com> >>>>>>> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> >>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, February 21, 2008 3:26 PM >>>>>>> Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] FW: LDS Films in the church records >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The Bishop of Limerick has put a hold on all church films in >>>>>>>> his >>>>>>>> control area. He objects to the LDS Practice of doing baptisms and >>>>>>>> confirmations for their dead ancestors to seal them in an eternal >>>>>>>> chain >>>>>>>> together. They have gotten a lot of flack for their beliefs. I >>>>>>>> find >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> no different than the Jehovah witnesses and how many people they >>>>>>>> actually will be saved, the Catholic belief in Limbo, or the >>>>>>>> Shakers, >>>>>>>> who believe in strict celibacy and no giving in marriage. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It is simply a religious belief, If it is not your belief it means >>>>>>>> nothing to you , right? I feel bad that the Bishop cut millions >>>>>>>> off >>>>>>>> from records that would unite families and give honor to Ireland as >>>>>>>> an >>>>>>>> ancestral home of billions of people. I have been trying to piece >>>>>>>> my >>>>>>>> husband's family together for 22 years. Those are the records I >>>>>>>> need. >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> know his father, Grandfather and the name of his Great Grandfather. >>>>>>>> They >>>>>>>> were catholic, so you all know how many records were compiled on >>>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> side of the religious line and why. I guess I will have to wait >>>>>>>> till >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> Bishop dies and hope for a Bishop more concerned with families >>>>>>>> gathering >>>>>>>> and making Ireland the point of their beginnings, then finding >>>>>>>> threat >>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> some church ceremony which they don't even believe in. Till then >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> at his mercy, or have to spend a lot of money to hire a >>>>>>>> professional >>>>>>>> there to do the work. The LDS Library had been my life line and >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> are in the process of putting histories, books, genealogies and >>>>>>>> amazing >>>>>>>> items in the huge vaults in Cottonwood Canyon that have not had the >>>>>>>> ability to do before now. Copies of some of the books that will be >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> line were burnt when Hitler burnt the books. The librarians have >>>>>>>> always >>>>>>>> been very helpful and never, ever preachy. Let them believe as >>>>>>>> they >>>>>>>> do. >>>>>>>> Because of those beliefs, they will be freely sharing with us, on >>>>>>>> line, >>>>>>>> in the next years, incredible amounts of new information from >>>>>>>> around >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> world. That to me is a win, win situation.!. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Candace Punch. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>>> without >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >>>>>>> without >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>>> the >>>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ------------------------------- >>>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>>> the >>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------- >>>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >>>> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without >>>> the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > >