Dear List, Had a reply to my original question from someone off list who indicates that there is evidence that couples where one party was Catholic and one party was Protestant were allowed to marry in the Catholic Church in Australia. However, no one has answered my question as to whether or not this was possible in the same era (1830-1841) in Ireland. Does anyone know? Or know where to look for such info? Also, not answered was my question as to whether it was at all possible to have a marriage performed outside of a church (by a Justice of the Peace, etc.) Again, does anyone know? And one further question regarding marriages in Ireland in this time era: If one or both of the parties had not reached their majority (I'm assuming it was likely age 21 at that time period) and their parents were not inclined to give legal consent - what did couples do in this instance? Here in the USA they'd have "eloped" to a location that allowed for marriages to take place without being age 21. For example in 1951 in the state of Tennessee you had to be age 18 to marry without parental consent, so couples would pop down to nearby Hernando Mississippi where the age was lower (16 I think, and no parental consent needed and no blood test for the license either) and tie the knot. How did one "elope" in Ireland during the 1830-1841 time period? Or am I making a wrong assumption here altogether---was there an age of legal consent to marry in Ireland during that time? If there was and there was no way 'round it, do you find any evidence that your ancestors "fudged" their ages on their baptismal certificates and/or marriage licenses to overcome the obstacle? Thanks for any help! Kathy Rhodes Researching SHANAHAN and LUBY surnames in Co Limerick, Co Cork and Co Tipperary - - - - - - - -Original Message From: Kathy Rhodes littlehouseantiques@att.net - - - - - - If you have a 'mixed' marriage, one spouse being Catholic and the other being Protestant was it possible back in 1830-1841 for the couple to be wed in the Catholic Church at all? Or did they have to have some sort of 'civil' non-religious type of wedding? Was that even possible back then? Could you go to some Justice of the Peace or something and be married? If so, is there any special place I should be looking for marriage records? Thanks! Kathy

These questions have been discussed before & can be seen in the list archives. Your questions are hipothetical & you seem to be pushing a point that keeps moving as if you are trying to win some sort of arguement with another third person who is not heard !! Mixed marrages happened in Ireland in the years you stated 1830-1841. The age of consent was 12 years old, for the, well child. The consent was sort of & given by the, usually English land lord after he had first test drive of the intending bride ! Cheers Col ----- Original Message ----- From: <littlehouseantiques@att.net> To: <IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:37 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Civil (Non-religious) marriages in Ireland circa1830-1841 > Dear List, > > Had a reply to my original question from someone off list who indicates > that there is evidence that couples where one party was Catholic and one > party was Protestant were allowed to marry in the Catholic Church in > Australia. However, no one has answered my question as to whether or not > this was possible in the same era (1830-1841) in Ireland. Does anyone > know? Or know where to look for such info? > > Also, not answered was my question as to whether it was at all possible to > have a marriage performed outside of a church (by a Justice of the Peace, > etc.) Again, does anyone know? > > And one further question regarding marriages in Ireland in this time era: > > If one or both of the parties had not reached their majority (I'm assuming > it was likely age 21 at that time period) and their parents were not > inclined to give legal consent - what did couples do in this instance? > Here in the USA they'd have "eloped" to a location that allowed for > marriages to take place without being age 21. For example in 1951 in the > state of Tennessee you had to be age 18 to marry without parental consent, > so couples would pop down to nearby Hernando Mississippi where the age was > lower (16 I think, and no parental consent needed and no blood test for > the license either) and tie the knot. > > How did one "elope" in Ireland during the 1830-1841 time period? Or am I > making a wrong assumption here altogether---was there an age of legal > consent to marry in Ireland during that time? If there was and there was > no way 'round it, do you find any evidence that your ancestors "fudged" > their ages on their baptismal certificates and/or marriage licenses to > overcome the obstacle? > > Thanks for any help! > Kathy Rhodes > > Researching SHANAHAN and LUBY surnames in > Co Limerick, Co Cork and Co Tipperary > > > - - - - - - - -Original Message From: Kathy Rhodes > littlehouseantiques@att.net - - - - - - > > If you have a 'mixed' marriage, one spouse being Catholic and the other > being Protestant was it possible back in 1830-1841 for the couple to be > wed in the Catholic Church at all? Or did they have to have some sort of > 'civil' non-religious type of wedding? Was that even possible back then? > Could you go to some Justice of the Peace or something and be married? If > so, is there any special place I should be looking for marriage records? > > Thanks! > Kathy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > __________ NOD32 2885 (20080219) Information __________ > > This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. > http://www.eset.com > >

For the Australian side of this debate: If you would like to see the exact letter that Governor Macquarie wrote to Father Therry, from Cork, Australia's first official priest on what he can and can't do is on the link below. However, Therry did go behind the Governors back and marry protestants and Catholics which was considered illegal by the crown, but legal by the Catholic church, bringing Therry into many fights and conflicts with the Governor. The persecution of Catholics in NSW was even worse under Governor Darling and Therry was dismissed and sent to Tasmania, Darling then wrote to the British government '.I must confess to your Lordship that I have no desire to see anymore of the clergy of the Catholic persuasion here' Darling then requested if there has to be clergy let them be English not Irish. The persecution continued until the Emancipation Act was passed in Britain, along with the support of Governor Burke who took over in the 1830's and Therry was later re-instated. http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/Research/Condon/CatholicLetters/18201014.htm Kerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <littlehouseantiques@att.net> To: <IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 19, 2008 11:37 PM Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Civil (Non-religious) marriages in Ireland circa1830-1841 > Dear List, > > Had a reply to my original question from someone off list who indicates > that there is evidence that couples where one party was Catholic and one > party was Protestant were allowed to marry in the Catholic Church in > Australia. However, no one has answered my question as to whether or not > this was possible in the same era (1830-1841) in Ireland. Does anyone > know? Or know where to look for such info? > > Also, not answered was my question as to whether it was at all possible to > have a marriage performed outside of a church (by a Justice of the Peace, > etc.) Again, does anyone know? > > And one further question regarding marriages in Ireland in this time era: > > If one or both of the parties had not reached their majority (I'm assuming > it was likely age 21 at that time period) and their parents were not > inclined to give legal consent - what did couples do in this instance? > Here in the USA they'd have "eloped" to a location that allowed for > marriages to take place without being age 21. For example in 1951 in the > state of Tennessee you had to be age 18 to marry without parental consent, > so couples would pop down to nearby Hernando Mississippi where the age was > lower (16 I think, and no parental consent needed and no blood test for > the license either) and tie the knot. > > How did one "elope" in Ireland during the 1830-1841 time period? Or am I > making a wrong assumption here altogether---was there an age of legal > consent to marry in Ireland during that time? If there was and there was > no way 'round it, do you find any evidence that your ancestors "fudged" > their ages on their baptismal certificates and/or marriage licenses to > overcome the obstacle? > > Thanks for any help! > Kathy Rhodes > > Researching SHANAHAN and LUBY surnames in > Co Limerick, Co Cork and Co Tipperary > > > - - - - - - - -Original Message From: Kathy Rhodes > littlehouseantiques@att.net - - - - - - > > If you have a 'mixed' marriage, one spouse being Catholic and the other > being Protestant was it possible back in 1830-1841 for the couple to be > wed in the Catholic Church at all? Or did they have to have some sort of > 'civil' non-religious type of wedding? Was that even possible back then? > Could you go to some Justice of the Peace or something and be married? If > so, is there any special place I should be looking for marriage records? > > Thanks! > Kathy > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.7/1233 - Release Date: > 19/01/2008 6:37 PM > >