Thank you Carla, I think I'll give the mormon church a call on Monday and see what else I might be able to find out regarding the records and how to get them, maybe we will all have an answer. I wasn't trying to cause disharmony or an argument here, I have been chastised off list as well, I am sincerely interested in finding out how they obtain their records. For those of you who have emailed me off list to tell me what you think of my posts, I say use the delete key....I didn't email you off list and jump on you, in fact I didn't even reply to you... so please don't do it to me. Thats a bit childish. My opinion is the records for my family are completely inaccurate so I don't hold much stock in their records...that is MY opinion. we are all entitled to our own. correct???? Cris