IFHF can claim a copyright for the formated information in their database that they gathered and transcribed to create it. If you pay them for some portion of their records, you can use them for your private use. There is a "fair use" provision of the copyright that would allow you some limited use of limited amounts of their copyrighted records which you could share to comment, critique, write a revue to share with others with some limited examples, etc. However, no one can copyright a fact, whether of a marriage, baptism, etc. A specific fact cannot be copyrighted. So you can take the information from their records of the facts and write them up in your own format for your family history and share that document with whomever you want. Indeed, you would own a copyright on that formated version of your own family history which nobody could legally "steal" and reuse without your permission. As good (family) historians, you should document the source of the fact(s) included (if you want to write good family history) noting whichever IFHF database it was sourced from. What you clearly cannot do is take your IFHF record information, gather it togerther with others' IFHF record information and share it around or publish it on the web or on this Limerick List for free (or for payment). That would be a clear violation of their copyright. I want to note that I am not a lwyer and the above isn't legal advice. It's my statement of personal understanding about copyright restrictions. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: <irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 7:09 PM Subject: IRL-LIMERICK Digest, Vol 3, Issue 172 > > > Information Wanted: http://infowanted.bc.edu/ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. kings (marilyn miller) > 2. Re: Walsh (Kathleen Casey) > 3. Writing to Mr. Brennan about IFHF (Jan Fortado) > 4. !From ADMIN please read (Christina Hunt) > 5. Hogan married Gallagher (Attn. Carol Lubbers) (Jan Fortado) > 6. Re: [IRL-TIP] McAuliffe research Irish Family History > Foundation (IFHF)web site (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > 7. IFHF - RYAN / DONOVAN / McNAMARA (Paul D'Archangel) > 8. Re: !From ADMIN please read (mike@obrienclan.com) > 9. Copyright and Sharing IFHF records (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > 10. Re: !From ADMIN please read (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > 11. Re: !From ADMIN please read (JJ Woods) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:48:02 -0400 > From: "marilyn miller" <mreed24@thejerseyshore.net> > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] kings > To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <004201c88867$d08909b0$20c064d0@nhbc2367> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > here are my king rejects: > > honora king, baptism 10/16/1843 > dunekenna, monagea, limerick > father william; mother hana hartnett > sponsor 1 mary king; sponsor 2 none recorded > > honora king, baptism 9/24/1848 > monagea, limerick > father bryan; mother margaret king > sponsor 1 mgt. king; sponsor 2 none > > honora king, baptism 6/14/1848 > dunekenna, monagea, limerick > father john; mother hana. kelly > sponsor 1 denis kelly; sponsor 2 hana. king > > honora king, baptism 6/16/1850 > ballymuragh, monogea, limerick > father michael; mother hana. shanahan > sponsor 1 rbt. cussen; sponsor 2 mgt. shanahan > > honora king, baptism 8/9/1850 > mt. catherine, pallasgreen, limerick > father james; mother bridget finnan > sponsor 1 mi mulcahy; sponsor 2 sa brien > > i have more rejects which i will share later or will send to anyone who > asks. marilyn miller, mreed24@thejerseyshore.net > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2008 09:49:02 +1300 > From: Kathleen Casey <CaseyKM@xtra.co.nz> > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Walsh > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <47DED93E.3050203@xtra.co.nz> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > For anyone looking for Walsh: my g'mother was Catherine Walsh > (1874-1939) but from Cty Galway so guess that's a long shot. She > emigrated to NZ m. James Martin Casey. I have details. > Kathleen > NZ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:33:33 -0400 > From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Writing to Mr. Brennan about IFHF > To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <006201c88876$8d803fd0$6501a8c0@family5q32jfmz> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Sean, thank you for that information. When I was at the genealogy > conference > in Boston two years ago, I spoke with one of the founders of the IFHF. I > asked why there was no heritage center in West Cork. He talked about > records > being indexed and "ready to go," but there was some type of problem that > involved politics. He told me the best way to be heard was to write to Mr. > Brennan. > > So it makes sense that if we would like to see changes on the IFHF, he > would > be the one to write to - to at least ask for a fair fee, whether or not it > be an annual membership fee. Pointing out the weaknesses of the site (too > many people with the same name and/or not having the other spouse's name > for > the marriage record), Mr. Brennan might see that the fees are too > expensive > at present. > > Jan > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:37:46 -0400 > From: Christina Hunt <filidh@carolina.rr.com> > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] !From ADMIN please read > To: LIMERICK <IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <2008317173746.678130@VALUED-3253602F> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I went to the IFHF website to see what their policy is on sharing the > records > from their website. > The following is in their copyright section. > Please refrain from posting any research results on the list. > Thanks. > Christina > List Admin Irl-Limerick > > You may not otherwise copy, modify, or distribute the contents of these > pages, > or publish, broadcast, transmit, or otherwise distribute any portion of > this > site without the express written authorization of the Irish Family History > Foundation. Any unauthorized use of this site or any content therein is > strictly > prohibited. > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:10:25 -0400 > From: "Jan Fortado" <janfortado@comcast.net> > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Hogan married Gallagher (Attn. Carol Lubbers) > To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <009501c8887b$b400ded0$6501a8c0@family5q32jfmz> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I have two Gallaghers who married a Hogan (brothers marrying sisters). > > In 1868 Thomas Gallagher married Mary Hogan of Spittle. They were married > in > the RC church of Glenroe, which was most likely HER parish. > > In 1869 Ellen Gallagher of Kilcruaig married Michael Hogan of Spittle in > the > RC parish of Ballyorgan (her parish). > > Jan > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:12:20 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] [IRL-TIP] McAuliffe research Irish Family > History Foundation (IFHF)web site > To: irl-tipperary@rootsweb.com;irl-limerick@rootsweb.com;;; > Message-ID: > <031720082212.26643.47DEECC30000FF130000681322230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > You're a Lucky Duck Kathleen! Who was the Priest at St. Michael's who > married your William FAUNT and Ellen LYNCH in 1863? I know who the > curate for St. Michael's in the city of Limerick was for that time period > is (one of my 4 SHANAHAN brothers / priests from Co Limerick that I've > been researching --Rev. Timothy R. Shanahan [c1828-1915]) and I'm just > curious who the priest was that married them. Would a curate have had > anything to do w/ the marriage ceremony? (Not exactly sure what a curate's > duties are, but gather that a curate is simply a priest who "assists" the > PP until he receives a church of his own, or something like that anyway). > > Kathy Rhodes > > -------------- Original message from "kathlingram" > <kathlingram@inteliport.com>: -------------- > Like Kathy I also caught a break and found my William Faunt and Ellen > Lynch > marriage which I have looked for for years: > They marry at St.Michael's Limerick 4/4 1863.I know from earlier records > that William is a soldier so maybe he was in the Barracks here.Since they > marry here and the first child, my ancestor Patrick is born here in 1865 I > figured Ellen is from Limerick.Also his brother Patrick comes "home" from > the Army to marry( Margaret Dwan from Fethard). > > I pulled all the age appropriate, geography appropriate ( East Limerick) > Ellen Lynchs.EEKK! Dollars floating away.. > I have always surmised her father is Michael.I find Ellen Lynch as > daughter > of Michael Lynch and Kate McAuliffe born Dec.1 4, 1843 in Rockhill/Bruree. > > So I think this is them. My Faunt/Fant line is often clustered either in > Fethard Tipp or the Kilmallock and Galbally area. > > I find very little about McAuliffe family though.. > > Anyone else have this family? > Happy St.Pat's > Kathleen Ingram > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 18:19:04 -0400 (EDT) > From: "Paul D'Archangel" <cutis181@lycos.com> > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] IFHF - RYAN / DONOVAN / McNAMARA > To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <20080317181904.HM.0000000000001JJ@cutis181.bos-mail-wwl20.lycos.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:04:02 -0700 > From: <mike@obrienclan.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] !From ADMIN please read > To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <001601c8887a$cf498a30$0a00a8c0@OBRIENM> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > I would guess that since you paid for the information you have, it becomes > your property to do as you please making their copyright void as long as > you > don't try to re-sell their information, which we are not doing here. > > Mike > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Christina Hunt" <filidh@carolina.rr.com> > To: "LIMERICK" <IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2008 2:37 PM > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] !From ADMIN please read > > >>I went to the IFHF website to see what their policy is on sharing the >>records >> from their website. >> The following is in their copyright section. >> Please refrain from posting any research results on the list. >> Thanks. >> Christina >> List Admin Irl-Limerick >> >> You may not otherwise copy, modify, or distribute the contents of these >> pages, >> or publish, broadcast, transmit, or otherwise distribute any portion of >> this >> site without the express written authorization of the Irish Family >> History >> Foundation. Any unauthorized use of this site or any content therein is >> strictly >> prohibited. >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:45:10 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Copyright and Sharing IFHF records > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <031720082245.16579.47DEF475000A0C3C000040C322230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Christina, I can't fault you for taking the responsible legal postition > here and feel you are exactly correct in doing so (but I do so wish you > hadn't!) Might I suggest that contact be made with the IFHF and that the > Limerick Mailing List try to obtain the "express written authorization" > that would make it legal and above board for us to 'share' with the List > Members the records THAT WE HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR???? They might say no, > but it wouldn't hurt to ask, would it? > > Also, should the IFHF deny the request to grant the Limerick Mailing List > "express written authorization" to share the records we obtain from them > with the List, would you have any problems with list members posting to > the List the surnames for records THAT WE HAVE BEEN PAYING FOR and > inviting others who are researching those surnames to contact us OFF LIST? > > Kathy Rhodes > > -------------- Original message from Christina Hunt > <filidh@carolina.rr.com>: -------------- > I went to the IFHF website to see what their policy is on sharing the > records > from their website. > The following is in their copyright section. > Please refrain from posting any research results on the list. > Thanks. > Christina > List Admin Irl-Limerick > > You may not otherwise copy, modify, or distribute the contents of these > pages, > or publish, broadcast, transmit, or otherwise distribute any portion of > this > site without the express written authorization of the Irish Family History > Foundation. Any unauthorized use of this site or any content therein is > strictly > prohibited. > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:58:49 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] !From ADMIN please read > To: mike@obrienclan.com, irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <031720082258.692.47DEF7A8000D5CFD000002B422230647029B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > You assume erroneously that once you pay for information that it becomes > 'your' property. > You also assume incorrectly that you are not violating copyright law if > you do not re-sell > the information. By sharing the information (even though YOU paid for it) > you are denying > income to the person (or in this case company or corporation) who would > have MADE > money had you not provided it to others for FREE, so you see, even if you > do not sell it > you have, in fact, violated copyright law. There is NO way around this > legally unless the > Mailing List applys for and receives written permisson from the copyright > owner (IFHF). > > Kathy Rhodes > -------------- Original message from <mike@obrienclan.com>: -------------- > I would guess that since you paid for the information you have, it becomes > your property to do as you please making their copyright void as long as > you > don't try to re-sell their information, which we are not doing here. > > Mike > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 11 > Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:08:47 +0000 > From: "JJ Woods" <woodsjj@gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] !From ADMIN please read > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: > <324e51970803171608j4077d0cq7fd3789908e26047@mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > To my mind the information is not theirs (IFHF) to copyright! Do the > descendants of those named not have a right to the information about their > ancestors and which the IFHF are selling in order to make a profit? > > Again, to my mind, the only claim to copyright that the IFHF can make is > in > the unique manner or format of the presentation of this information and > NOT > the information itself. > > Who owns the information anyway? Surely not the IFHF! > > > > On 17/03/2008, littlehouseantiques@att.net <littlehouseantiques@att.net> > wrote: >> >> You assume erroneously that once you pay for information that it becomes >> 'your' property. >> You also assume incorrectly that you are not violating copyright law if >> you do not re-sell >> the information. By sharing the information (even though YOU paid for >> it) >> you are denying >> income to the person (or in this case company or corporation) who would >> have MADE >> money had you not provided it to others for FREE, so you see, even if you >> do not sell it >> you have, in fact, violated copyright law. There is NO way around this >> legally unless the >> Mailing List applys for and receives written permisson from the copyright >> owner (IFHF). >> >> Kathy Rhodes >> -------------- Original message from >> <mike@obrienclan.com>: -------------- >> I would guess that since you paid for the information you have, it >> becomes >> your property to do as you please making their copyright void as long as >> you >> don't try to re-sell their information, which we are not doing here. >> >> Mike >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-LIMERICK list administrator, send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-LIMERICK mailing list, send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-LIMERICK Digest, Vol 3, Issue 172 > ******************************************** >