I did waste some money with wild guesses on my Limerick clan since I do not know the parish. But I searched by parish for my Corbetts in Kilkenny and for far less than I would have paid Rothe house in the past (70 euros) I obtained 2 brothers and a sister for my greatgrandfather. I spent over 3 days searching the microfilm for his record when I was last in Ireland so it seemed a good deal for 15 euros. So if you know the parish an ancestor came from it is a good deal. Record can be printed and of course is a transcription. Knowing how hard the original is to read since I have tried there may be errors but the basic information for the baptisms I had were residence, names of parents with mother's maiden name and names of witnesses. Since witnesses can sometimes be related that is very helpful. I obtained the parish through a lucky ad placed by one of the brothers in the "Missing Friends" database. It helped that Corbett was not a very common name in Kilkenny. ----- Original Message ----- From: <irl-limerick-request@rootsweb.com> To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:46 AM Subject: IRL-LIMERICK Digest, Vol 3, Issue 192 > > > Information Wanted: http://infowanted.bc.edu/ > > Today's Topics: > > 1. IFHF (Nancy) > 2. Re: Limerick tradesmen in (Mary Ellen Chambers) > 3. Re: IFHF (JoForLife@aol.com) > 4. Re: IFHF (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > 5. Limerick Guild of Cabinet-makers' - 1840 > (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > 6. Re: Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > 7. Re: Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > 8. Re: Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 (mike@obrienclan.com) > 9. REPOST CORRECTION for Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 > (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > 10. Limerick Guild of Ropemakers' - 1840 (littlehouseantiques@att.net) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:32:02 -0400 > From: Nancy <fandnh1@patmedia.net> > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] IFHF > To: Ireland Limerick <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <BA89B486-8AF2-4E15-9D74-98B5674955BE@patmedia.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes > > I just went through 40 euro and at 5 euro a pop and found nothing for > my Hinchy's . I just isn't worth it > Nancy > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:36:57 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mary Ellen Chambers <maryln61@sbcglobal.net> > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick tradesmen in > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <477329.55859.qm@web81801.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Thanks Tom. Appreciate your look up. He is one of my "brick" walls. > Whilst his son, my g grandfather married a "lovely" girl from Clare in > Limerick City, thought perhaps he might have plied his traid there. He is > not in the English census I have checked out. > > Mary Ellen > > Tom LaPorte <tlaporte@mts.net> wrote: > Sorry, there are no Townsend's listed under the Coachmaker's Guild. > > Tom > > Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 16:34:20 -0700 (PDT) > From: Mary Ellen Chambers > Subject: > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <192741.71379.qm@web81802.mail.mud.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Tom~ > Under Coachmakers, would the name Davis TOWNSEND be listed?? > Trying to locate my gg grandfather. > > Mary Ellen Chambers > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the > quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:40:57 EDT > From: JoForLife@aol.com > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] IFHF > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com > Message-ID: <bf2.2a9bd096.35167479@aol.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > What exactly do you get from the IFHF? Do you just get information on the > computer screen or can you order an actual paper certificate of some sort? > > Is the information that's there also available on microfilm from the LDS? > > > Jo > > > ************** > Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15?ncid=aolhom00030000000001) > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:49:50 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] IFHF > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, Ireland Limerick > <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <032220081549.6650.47E52A9E00059A1B000019FA22230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Nancy, know how you feel!! But rather than completely waste the money why > not contribute your 'rejects' here to the list (if they are Limerick > records?) so that others may perhaps benefit? > > BTW I am transcribing the names from the Limerick Guild lists and believe > there is at least one HINCHY from the 1840 Freeman's Journal article we've > been discussin. Will post very soon, so watch for it. > > Kathy Rhodes > -------------- Original message from Nancy > <fandnh1@patmedia.net>: -------------- > I just went through 40 euro and at 5 euro a pop and found nothing for > my Hinchy's . I just isn't worth it > Nancy > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:51:24 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick Guild of Cabinet-makers' - 1840 > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, Ireland Limerick > <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <032220081551.11507.47E52AFC0002641200002CF322230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > > Members of the Limerick Guild of Cabinet-makers' > as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21, 1840 > > Barclay, Michael > Bourke, R. > Burke, James > Burke, Michael > Clarke, Thomas > Clooney, John > Clooney, Michael > Coghlan, Jun., Michael > Coghlan, Michael > Colanan, Edward > Colein, Chr. > Conners, Richard > Conners, Timothy > Conners, Simon > Connery, Jeremiah > Connolly, Edward > Connolly, John > Corrig, John > Evans, Nathaniel > Eyres, James > Farrell, David > Forward, Thomas > Goggin, John > Kearney, Denis > Lynch, James > Lynch, Michael > Lynch, John > Lyons, Philip > Mangan, John > M'Donald, John > Mulready, James > Mulready, James > Mulready, Jun., James > Murphy, Timothy > Murphy, Michael > Murphy, James > O'Brien, Michael > O'Brien, James > O'Loughlin, B. > Pelican, James > Quinlan, Michael > Renedy, Jeremiah > Ryan, James > Sarstield, Philip > Scales, John > Shaughnessy, John > Sheedy, Michael > Skiddy, Edward > Smith, George > Sweeny, Stephen > Tyrrell, Henry > Tyrrell, James > Wallace, Michael > Wallace, John > Waller, Joseph > Walsh, Arthur > > Guild of Smiths coming up next! > > Kathy Rhodes > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:17:02 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, Ireland > Limerick <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <032220081617.7159.47E530FB000BD52E00001BF722230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > Members of the Limerick Guild of Smiths' > as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21, 1840 > > Ahern, Thomas > Boyle, Patrick > Connell, John > Corbett, Arthur > Daly, Patrick > Everett, Michael > Halpin, Daniel > Hart, James > Hayes, John > Houlehan, W. > Houlehan, James > Humphrys, Thomas > Keogh, Denis > Kidney, John > King, Patrick > Lennan, Michael > Lonigan, Wm. > Loughlin, Michael > Lynce, Patrick > Maher, Wm. > Mara, Michael > M'Carthy, Cornelius > M'Carthy, Patrick > M'Enery, Michael > M'Evoy, Patrick > Mulcahy, Mark > Murphy, Wm. > O'Brien, Benjamin > O'Brien, John > O'Brien, Michael > O'Connor, John > O'Keeffe, Edward > Punch, James > Ryan, John > Wall, Michael > Walsh, Michael > Ward, Thomas > > NOTE: I've extracted the names from this newpaper article and > alphabatized them by surname within each guild, they were NOT listed in > this manner in the original newspaper article. Below is the additional > text from the article as submitted by Mr. Thomas Ahern, secretary of the > Limerick Guild of Smiths' : > > Guild of Smiths, Limerick. -- Mr. Thomas Ahern, secretary > of the guild of smiths, Limerick in forwarding the > subscription of that guild, says: --I send you, as our first > instalment, the names and subscription of forty staunch > Repealers, the most of whom have been reduced from a > state of independence (as well paid mechanics) to the > verge of pauperism, by the baneful effects of the miscalled act > of Union. I am not old enough to recollect the passing > of that measure, yet I feel to the present day its blighting > effects. At the death of my father I was apprenticed, in > 1817, to Mr. Philip Doyle, proprietor of the then > Hibernian foundry, who had in his employment forty-three > men and boys, working at the various branches connected > with our trade, many of which are totally annihilated, as > also this concern, by the Repeal (not of the act of Union) > but the duty on English and Scotch hardware. About the > year 1821 Mr. John James Doyle kept the Limerick > foundry, where forty men and boys got employement, but > now I regret, he is not able to employ four. Mr. > David Spowart kept the Caledonian foundry in this city, > where thirty men and boys got employment, but not being > able to compete with our English and Scotch duty free > neighbours (as to prices), he has long since shared the fate > of my master. Our city is now reduced to one foundry, > > and the name of two, Mr. Thomas Newsom kept an > extensive house, smith's shop, in this city, in which thirty-two > men and boys got employment, and at one branch alone > (bright grate making) eight smiths and two brass founders > were constantly employed (though many more worked in > other shops in the town); that beutiful and servicable > article has been suppressed by the English and Scotch metal > grate, there not being a single bright grate made in Limerick > for the last two years. In the same concern there were > six men constantly employed, and about twenty more in > their own and other shops; now there is not work for a single > man in the city, unless now and again repairing almost > stuck together English locks. And here let it be understood > that all the articles in the hardware line imported are duty > free, as, for instance, the freight of a ton of manufactured > English or Scotch hardware is only the same as that on a ton > of raw or unwrought bar iron, or steel, thus giving a > preponderating influence to those articles in this or any other > market, and laying the Irish workman under corresponding > disadvantages. Wroght iron safes, a lucrative branch of > our trade, by which many in this and other concerns were > employed, has almost given way to English and Scotch cast > iron safes. This concern has long since disappeared, and > its owner, and may of the workmen, obliged to seek bread > far from the city of their birth. Beam-making, a lucrative > and scientific branch of our trade, has almost given way to > the English beams. Wrought iron verandahs and balconys, > that gave work to the more tasteful portion of our smiths, > is fast giving way to the English and Scotch manufacture, > as are also the following articles: wind-up and smoke > jacks, that gave employment to many in our city; fire irons, > that gave work to many in our city; joint-hinge making, > in all its diversified branches; saddle-tree riveting, edged > tool making, file cuting, sheet iron work, in its varied shapes. > I could enumerate may more brances of our trade that are > almost annihilated, but knowing I have trespassed too long, > I conclude by asking to what is this awful decline of trade > attributable? Not to the want of tact of talent as mechanics, > for let it be perfectly understood that there are many > among us that never left Limerick able to manufacture > each and every article I have enumeratedas well as our > English or Scotch neighbours; nay more, they being > confined to one particular branch, while the Irish artizan is, of > necessity, obliged to be familiar with and to perform all. > VIOLATED TREATY? None but God alone, who has raised > up a second Moses in the person of Daniel O'Connell, to > free us from our worse than Eqyptian slavery, aided by a > religious, brave, and, thank Heaven, temperate people, to > make a long pull, a strong pull, and a pull togther to repeal > that Castlereagh suicidal impost, the act of Union. > > Please propose me and Mr. Patrick M'Carthy as members > of the association, and the following as associates:-- [list of names > followed here in original article]. > > Submitted by Kathy Rhodes > 22 Mar 2008 > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 16:57:44 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 > To: Ireland Limerick <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <032220081657.711.47E53A87000B37C4000002C722230704929B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > Content-Type: text/plain > > SCRATCH the Guild List of SMITHS guys. > Haste makes waste and it contains some errors, regrettably all mine. > Will send correction soon. > > Kathy Rhodes > > -------------- Original message from > littlehouseantiques@att.net: -------------- > > Members of the Limerick Guild of Smiths' > as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21, 1840 > > > Ahern, Thomas <snip!!!!> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 10:13:46 -0700 > From: <mike@obrienclan.com> > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 > To: <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: <000401c88c40$16e32680$0a00a8c0@OBRIENM> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Interesting! > > I found Kennedy O'Brien listed twice (looks like one senior and one > junior) > in the Limerick Chronicle of 1832 as land holders. > One is listed in Carnagh and the other in Dunmoylan. > One of them could be mine and moved Hospital Parish where possibly one had > son named William, born in 1824. > > Any information about their descendents would appreciated. > > Mike > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <littlehouseantiques@att.net> > To: "Ireland Limerick" <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 9:57 AM > Subject: Re: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick Guild of Smiths' - 1840 > > >> SCRATCH the Guild List of SMITHS guys. >> Haste makes waste and it contains some errors, regrettably all mine. >> Will send correction soon. >> >> Kathy Rhodes >> >> -------------- Original message from >> littlehouseantiques@att.net: -------------- >> >> Members of the Limerick Guild of Smiths' >> as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21, 1840 >> >> >> Ahern, Thomas <snip!!!!> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the >> quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 9 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:24:42 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] REPOST CORRECTION for Limerick Guild of > Smiths' - 1840 > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, Ireland Limerick > <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <032220081724.17875.47E540D800051831000045D322216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > > Members of the Limerick Guild of Smiths' > as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21 1840 > > Ahern, Thomas > Boyle, Wm. > Connell, Benjamin > Corbett, Michael > Daly, Wm. > Everett, John > Halpin, Michael > Hart, Patrick > Hayes, Michael > Houlehan, Michael > Houlehan, Thomas > Humphrys, John > Keogh, Wm. > Kidney, James > King, Patrick > Lennan, Patrick > Lonigan, Mark > Loughlin, Denis > Lynch, John > Maher, James > Mara, Daniel > M'Carthy, Patrick > M'Enery, Michael > M'Evoy, Thomas > Mulcahy, W. > Murphy, John > O'Brien, Patrick > O'Brien, Michael > O'Brien, Cornelius > O'Connor, Michael > O'Keeffe, Arthur > Punch, John > Ryan, James > Wall, Edward > Walsh, John > Ward, Michael > > Additional text from article which PROCEEDED the above list of names: > > Guild of Smiths, Limerick. -- Mr. Thomas Ahern, secretary > of the guild of smiths, Limerick in forwarding the > subscription of that guild, says: --I send you, as our first > instalment, the names and subscription of forty staunch > Repealers, the most of whom have been reduced from a > state of independence (as well paid mechanics) to the > verge of pauperism, by the baneful effects of the miscalled act > of Union. I am not old enough to recollect the passing > of that measure, yet I feel to the present day its blighting > effects. At the death of my father I was apprenticed, in > 1817, to Mr. Philip Doyle, proprietor of the then > Hibernian foundry, who had in his employment forty-three > men and boys, working at the various branches connected > with our trade, many of which are totally annihilated, as > also this concern, by the Repeal (not of the act of Union) > but the duty on English and Scotch hardware. About the > year 1821 Mr. John James Doyle kept the Limerick > foundry, where forty men and boys got employement, but > now I regret, he is not able to employ four. Mr. > David Spowart kept the Caledonian foundry in this city, > where thirty men and boys got employment, but not being > able to compete with our English and Scotch duty free > neighbours (as to prices), he has long since shared the fate > of my master. Our city is now reduced to one foundry, > > and the name of two, Mr. Thomas Newsom kept an > extensive house, smith's shop, in this city, in which thirty-two > men and boys got employment, and at one branch alone > (bright grate making) eight smiths and two brass founders > were constantly employed (though many more worked in > other shops in the town); that beutiful and servicable > article has been suppressed by the English and Scotch metal > grate, there not being a single bright grate made in Limerick > for the last two years. In the same concern there were > six men constantly employed, and about twenty more in > their own and other shops; now there is not work for a single > man in the city, unless now and again repairing almost > stuck together English locks. And here let it be understood > that all the articles in the hardware line imported are duty > free, as, for instance, the freight of a ton of manufactured > English or Scotch hardware is only the same as that on a ton > of raw or unwrought bar iron, or steel, thus giving a > preponderating influence to those articles in this or any other > market, and laying the Irish workman under corresponding > disadvantages. Wroght iron safes, a lucrative branch of > our trade, by which many in this and other concerns were > employed, has almost given way to English and Scotch cast > iron safes. This concern has long since disappeared, and > its owner, and may of the workmen, obliged to seek bread > far from the city of their birth. Beam-making, a lucrative > and scientific branch of our trade, has almost given way to > the English beams. Wrought iron verandahs and balconys, > that gave work to the more tasteful portion of our smiths, > is fast giving way to the English and Scotch manufacture, > as are also the following articles: wind-up and smoke > jacks, that gave employment to many in our city; fire irons, > that gave work to many in our city; joint-hinge making, > in all its diversified branches; saddle-tree riveting, edged > tool making, file cuting, sheet iron work, in its varied shapes. > I could enumerate may more brances of our trade that are > almost annihilated, but knowing I have trespassed too long, > I conclude by asking to what is this awful decline of trade > attributable? Not to the want of tact of talent as mechanics, > for let it be perfectly understood that there are many > among us that never left Limerick able to manufacture > each and every article I have enumeratedas well as our > English or Scotch neighbours; nay more, they being > confined to one particular branch, while the Irish artizan is, of > necessity, obliged to be familiar with and to perform all. > VIOLATED TREATY? None but God alone, who has raised > up a second Moses in the person of Daniel O'Connell, to > free us from our worse than Eqyptian slavery, aided by a > religious, brave, and, thank Heaven, temperate people, to > make a long pull, a strong pull, and a pull togther to repeal > that Castlereagh suicidal impost, the act of Union. > > Please propose me and Mr. Patrick M'Carthy as members > of the association, and the following as associates:-- > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 10 > Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 17:45:46 +0000 > From: littlehouseantiques@att.net > Subject: [IRL-LIMERICK] Limerick Guild of Ropemakers' - 1840 > To: irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, irl-limerick@rootsweb.com, Ireland > Limerick <irl-limerick@rootsweb.com> > Message-ID: > <032220081745.856.47E545C9000CA5810000035822216125569B0A02D29B9B0EBF9C0A9A9E079B020E0A9C9A01080A049B9B0704@att.net> > > > Members of the Limerick Guild of Ropemakers' > as published in the Freeman's Journal on October 21 1840 > > Connor, Denis > Fennicane, Micahel > Hogan, Patrick > Keane, Thomas > Keane, John > Kelly, John > Kelly, Michael > Love, James > M'Carthy, John > M'Namara, Michael > M'Namara, Geo. > Myres, Thomas > O'Donoghue, Michael > O'Donoghue, Edmond > Reidy, Patrick > Ryan, Anthony > Sullivan, James > Toole, Jun., Thomas > Toole, Sen., Thomas > Tracy, Edmond > > Additional text from article which PROCEEDED the above list of names: > > Ropemakers' Guild, Limerick. --- The ropemakers' guild > of Limerick, in sending their subscriptions, express their > full conviction that nothing will alleviate the misery that > so long prevailed among the operatives of this Kingdom, > but a restoration of Ireland's domestic parliament, which > the perfidious Pitt and subtle Castlereagh contrived to rob > her of by the greatest bribery and corruption. > > They state that since the Union the Norway timber trade > has fallen off (the British government being more > inclined to favour the Canada trade), and the few vessels that > trade between this and Canada belong to individuals who > import cordage from England, while the Limerick artizans > are left in misery at home; and that the East India trade > is also gone; but they hope yet to enjoy the busy hum of > the ropemakers' wheel within the walls of their ancient, > loyal, and prosperous city, the last bulwark of Ireland's > greatness. > > The following is the ropemakers's list: -- > > NOTE: Original list of names was not in any sort of order; I > have alphabetized by surname to make them easier for folks to > find. klr 22 May 2008 > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the IRL-LIMERICK list administrator, send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the IRL-LIMERICK mailing list, send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > IRL-LIMERICK-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of IRL-LIMERICK Digest, Vol 3, Issue 192 > ******************************************** > >